NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors,
forces abdication of founder
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314
I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded
tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc
Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama.
Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives.
Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist".
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2024-07-03 6:05 p.m., SugarBug wrote:
NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors,
forces abdication of founder
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314
I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded >>>> tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc
Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama.
Darn, I thought I was the first to post this.
Are there any non-political distributions to switch to? Since I'm a free
speech extremist I'm against all projects that ban conservative, nazis and >> communists who contribute.
I get you, but I'm a left-winger and I eat Chick-fil-A and Waffle
House, I'm not gonna boycott them when they're so fuckin' good. I
just use what I like, and keep politics for voting.
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On 2024-07-04, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2024-07-03 6:05 p.m., SugarBug wrote:
NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors,
forces abdication of founder
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314
I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded >>>> tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc
Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama.
Darn, I thought I was the first to post this.
Are there any non-political distributions to switch to? Since I'm a free
speech extremist I'm against all projects that ban conservative, nazis and >> communists who contribute.
Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives.
Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist". What
distribution are you using at the moment?
I'm using Debian, and I haven't seen anything overtly political, but
then, I haven't looked into it that deep.
On 04/07/2024 11:41, Borax Man wrote:
Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives.
Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and
everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist".
The fact is that Marxism - and this is another example of it, even if
its protagonists dont realise it - is attractive to people who think
they are smarter than they actually are.
They are not super bright and cannot work things out for themselves from first principles but they are absolutely capable of absorbing enormous quantities of received wisdom, which they regurgitate using the
justification that Greater Minds have said it, therefore it must be
true. This is the "Argumentum Ad Auctoritatem" fallacy.
Because they have more 'facts' stuffed in their heads, they feel they
are actually better qualified to run things than plebs.
Unfortunately they are vulnerable to any kind of carefully crafted
bullshit that comes along, because having decreed that ordinary common
sense is what plebs have, and the Truth is what they have, they are
never minded to actually attempt to understand the reality of what they believe in. And fearful of being the first to declare that the Emperor
has no clothes, they use their Bandar Logic (We all say it, so it must
be true) to follow the herd of the minor intelligentsia, and follow the
herd.
The problem with following the herd, is that all you see is arseholes.
Too much education for not very high quality brains leads to a belief in
all this woke shit.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote:
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On 2024-07-04, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2024-07-03 6:05 p.m., SugarBug wrote:
NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors,Darn, I thought I was the first to post this.
forces abdication of founder
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314
I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded >>>>> tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc
Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama. >>>>
Are there any non-political distributions to switch to? Since I'm a free >>> speech extremist I'm against all projects that ban conservative, nazis and >>> communists who contribute.
Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives.
Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and
everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist". What
distribution are you using at the moment?
Sigh, yes this is true. But, at least I am benefiting from this. My
company has a strict "no woke" policy, and due to that, I get highly
skilled people to work for me as consultants who would throw up if they
had to work for big IT with their woke ideology! =)
I use opensuse at the moment, but based on what I've read they've gone
woke. So next time I reinstall it is probably time to change.
Based on very shallow research it looks as if perhaps Alpine linux and Freebsd might be two communities who don't explicitly reject
conservatives.
I'm using Debian, and I haven't seen anything overtly political, but
then, I haven't looked into it that deep.
Ah, maybe that could be another haven perhaps!
On 2024-07-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:1. My degree is not in software engineering
On 04/07/2024 11:41, Borax Man wrote:
Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives.
Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and
everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist".
The fact is that Marxism - and this is another example of it, even if
its protagonists dont realise it - is attractive to people who think
they are smarter than they actually are.
They are not super bright and cannot work things out for themselves from
first principles but they are absolutely capable of absorbing enormous
quantities of received wisdom, which they regurgitate using the
justification that Greater Minds have said it, therefore it must be
true. This is the "Argumentum Ad Auctoritatem" fallacy.
Because they have more 'facts' stuffed in their heads, they feel they
are actually better qualified to run things than plebs.
Unfortunately they are vulnerable to any kind of carefully crafted
bullshit that comes along, because having decreed that ordinary common
sense is what plebs have, and the Truth is what they have, they are
never minded to actually attempt to understand the reality of what they
believe in. And fearful of being the first to declare that the Emperor
has no clothes, they use their Bandar Logic (We all say it, so it must
be true) to follow the herd of the minor intelligentsia, and follow the
herd.
The problem with following the herd, is that all you see is arseholes.
Too much education for not very high quality brains leads to a belief in
all this woke shit.
Marxism says that intellectuals should rule and make decisions, so it
appeals to those who perceive themselves to be intellectuals, who know
better than us. This seems to underlie the thinking, "we are the
educated elite, and we know better". So naturally, an ideology which
puts them in power, is appealing. We've run the experiment, put intellectuals in power, and it didn't work. I don't really have a
problem with people being educated, after all, I am as well, but I do
with the hubris that education makes one better placed to decide how
society should work. Your degree in Software Engineering does NOT put
you in a better position to comment on social issues and politics and
what values are good for society.
I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards
the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of
ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social
good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head.
I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards
the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of
ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and
coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social
good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head.
The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists with their Art degrees and their moral 'issues'
On 2024-07-04, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote:
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On 2024-07-04, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2024-07-03 6:05 p.m., SugarBug wrote:
NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors,Darn, I thought I was the first to post this.
forces abdication of founder
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314
I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded >>>>>> tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc
Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama. >>>>>
Are there any non-political distributions to switch to? Since I'm a free >>>> speech extremist I'm against all projects that ban conservative, nazis and >>>> communists who contribute.
Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives.
Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and
everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist". What
distribution are you using at the moment?
Sigh, yes this is true. But, at least I am benefiting from this. My
company has a strict "no woke" policy, and due to that, I get highly
skilled people to work for me as consultants who would throw up if they
had to work for big IT with their woke ideology! =)
I use opensuse at the moment, but based on what I've read they've gone
woke. So next time I reinstall it is probably time to change.
Based on very shallow research it looks as if perhaps Alpine linux and
Freebsd might be two communities who don't explicitly reject
conservatives.
I'm using Debian, and I haven't seen anything overtly political, but
then, I haven't looked into it that deep.
Ah, maybe that could be another haven perhaps!
Double check FreeBSD. I thought they signed up to the woke "Contributor Covenant" if I recall correctly. That CoC is an explicitely political
and divisive CoC which is specifically designed, as stated by its very
own creator, to end "meritocracy". People that don't know better let
these wolves in sheeps clothing into their organisation and poison it.
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards
the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of
ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and
coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social
good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head.
The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists
with their Art degrees and their moral 'issues'
This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses,
have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do
have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles.
It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is
irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge winners of the current system.
However... and here is where it gets interesting!
I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with! Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite
often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something.
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards
the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of
ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and
coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social
good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head.
The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists with their
Art degrees and their moral 'issues'
This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses,
have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do
have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles.
It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is
irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge winners of the current system.
However... and here is where it gets interesting!
I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with! Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite
often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something.
On 05/07/2024 03:10, Borax Man wrote:
On 2024-07-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:1. My degree is not in software engineering
On 04/07/2024 11:41, Borax Man wrote:
Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives.
Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and >>>> everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist".
The fact is that Marxism - and this is another example of it, even if
its protagonists dont realise it - is attractive to people who think
they are smarter than they actually are.
They are not super bright and cannot work things out for themselves from >>> first principles but they are absolutely capable of absorbing enormous
quantities of received wisdom, which they regurgitate using the
justification that Greater Minds have said it, therefore it must be
true. This is the "Argumentum Ad Auctoritatem" fallacy.
Because they have more 'facts' stuffed in their heads, they feel they
are actually better qualified to run things than plebs.
Unfortunately they are vulnerable to any kind of carefully crafted
bullshit that comes along, because having decreed that ordinary common
sense is what plebs have, and the Truth is what they have, they are
never minded to actually attempt to understand the reality of what they
believe in. And fearful of being the first to declare that the Emperor
has no clothes, they use their Bandar Logic (We all say it, so it must
be true) to follow the herd of the minor intelligentsia, and follow the
herd.
The problem with following the herd, is that all you see is arseholes.
Too much education for not very high quality brains leads to a belief in >>> all this woke shit.
Marxism says that intellectuals should rule and make decisions, so it
appeals to those who perceive themselves to be intellectuals, who know
better than us. This seems to underlie the thinking, "we are the
educated elite, and we know better". So naturally, an ideology which
puts them in power, is appealing. We've run the experiment, put
intellectuals in power, and it didn't work. I don't really have a
problem with people being educated, after all, I am as well, but I do
with the hubris that education makes one better placed to decide how
society should work. Your degree in Software Engineering does NOT put
you in a better position to comment on social issues and politics and
what values are good for society.
2. My contempt is not for true intellectuals, but for the vast majority
of pseudo intellectuals who are as you describe above.
3. I have far more time for the ordinary bloke on the shop floor who has learnt by direct experience.
I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards
the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of
ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and
coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social
good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head.
The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists with
their Art degrees and their moral 'issues'
These "woke" or "marxist" ideas are luxury beliefs, and they are our
priestly class. These beliefs are held by those who work cushy jobs, usually, or have nothing to lose anyway. Their JOB could just be to pontificate or moralise, like a DEI consultant or something, but again,
this is just done on the backs of those who actually work.
On 2024-07-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 05/07/2024 03:10, Borax Man wrote:
On 2024-07-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:1. My degree is not in software engineering
On 04/07/2024 11:41, Borax Man wrote:
Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives.
Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and >>>>> everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist".
The fact is that Marxism - and this is another example of it, even if
its protagonists dont realise it - is attractive to people who think
they are smarter than they actually are.
They are not super bright and cannot work things out for themselves from >>>> first principles but they are absolutely capable of absorbing enormous >>>> quantities of received wisdom, which they regurgitate using the
justification that Greater Minds have said it, therefore it must be
true. This is the "Argumentum Ad Auctoritatem" fallacy.
Because they have more 'facts' stuffed in their heads, they feel they
are actually better qualified to run things than plebs.
Unfortunately they are vulnerable to any kind of carefully crafted
bullshit that comes along, because having decreed that ordinary common >>>> sense is what plebs have, and the Truth is what they have, they are
never minded to actually attempt to understand the reality of what they >>>> believe in. And fearful of being the first to declare that the Emperor >>>> has no clothes, they use their Bandar Logic (We all say it, so it must >>>> be true) to follow the herd of the minor intelligentsia, and follow the >>>> herd.
The problem with following the herd, is that all you see is arseholes. >>>>
Too much education for not very high quality brains leads to a belief in >>>> all this woke shit.
Marxism says that intellectuals should rule and make decisions, so it
appeals to those who perceive themselves to be intellectuals, who know
better than us. This seems to underlie the thinking, "we are the
educated elite, and we know better". So naturally, an ideology which
puts them in power, is appealing. We've run the experiment, put
intellectuals in power, and it didn't work. I don't really have a
problem with people being educated, after all, I am as well, but I do
with the hubris that education makes one better placed to decide how
society should work. Your degree in Software Engineering does NOT put
you in a better position to comment on social issues and politics and
what values are good for society.
2. My contempt is not for true intellectuals, but for the vast majority
of pseudo intellectuals who are as you describe above.
3. I have far more time for the ordinary bloke on the shop floor who has
learnt by direct experience.
The people on the shop floor know from experience what works and what doesn't, and more importantly, how to actually achieve something of
practical value. Besides, if you're going to shoot your mouth off to
say how society should work, you MUST listen to people who actually do
make society work, that is, the farmer, the doctors, the tradesmen, the engineers, the workers.
When you actually have to produce something tangible, when you're
dealing with material reality, you have little time for pie-in-the sky
ideas that don't work.
I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards
the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of
ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and
coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social
good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head.
The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists with
their Art degrees and their moral 'issues'
I wish it were only the Art students, but it isn't confined to just them.
On 05/07/2024 11:29, D wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards
the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of
ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and >>>> coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social
good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head.
The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists with
their Art degrees and their moral 'issues'
This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses,
have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do
have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles.
It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is
irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge
winners of the current system.
However... and here is where it gets interesting!
I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only
socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with!
Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite
often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something.
A late friend was a rampant sort of lower middle class Scottish raving socialist of the red union sort. He became a local councillor, and said that 'the only people who ever got things done were the Tory squirearchy.
And yet he was overjoyed when Blair got in.
I finally realised that what appealed was the ideology. The fact that Labour never has and never will solve a single social problem it identifies as 'crucial' meant nothing to him
It was the thought, that counted.
Virtue signalling, not practical politics.
Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that cannot be implemented or won't work if they are.
And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they have been given the finger. All mouth and no trousers.
On 2024-07-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards
the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of
ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and
coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social
good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head.
The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists with their
Art degrees and their moral 'issues'
This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses,
have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do
have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles.
It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is
irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge
winners of the current system.
However... and here is where it gets interesting!
I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only
socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with!
Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite
often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something.
Thats probably what irks me most of all, that we pay for this. It's
not the people who are grinding the most pushing these ideas. I could
excuse Linux Torvalds wanting to weigh in on the Code of Conduct for the Linux Kernel, but its people who don't contribute much. Like Coraline
Ada Ehmke, who create the Contributor Covenant, throwing their weight
around, but not creating anything except a bloated github profile of
lots of tiny Ruby spots of code. The Ladybird browser noted the same
thing, their objection to the Woke activism was the person wanting to
change gendered language had made no other real contribution. Think of
those who go around moralising as DEI consultants or activist, what have
they actually produced of real value?
These "woke" or "marxist" ideas are luxury beliefs, and they are our
priestly class. These beliefs are held by those who work cushy jobs, usually, or have nothing to lose anyway. Their JOB could just be to pontificate or moralise, like a DEI consultant or something, but again,
this is just done on the backs of those who actually work.
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Socialism is essentially paternalistic slavery. Everyone works for the
On 05/07/2024 11:29, D wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards >>>>> the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of
ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and >>>>> coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social >>>>> good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head.
The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists
with their Art degrees and their moral 'issues'
This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses, >>> have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do
have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles.
It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is
irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge
winners of the current system.
However... and here is where it gets interesting!
I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only >>> socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with!
Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite
often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something.
A late friend was a rampant sort of lower middle class Scottish raving
socialist of the red union sort. He became a local councillor, and
said that 'the only people who ever got things done were the Tory
squirearchy.
And yet he was overjoyed when Blair got in.
I finally realised that what appealed was the ideology. The fact that
Labour never has and never will solve a single social problem it
identifies as 'crucial' meant nothing to him
It was the thought, that counted.
Virtue signalling, not practical politics.
Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that
cannot be implemented or won't work if they are.
And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they
have been given the finger. All mouth and no trousers.
This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never
worked), logically (it is self-contradictory)Â and scientifically (it
has been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on believing it.
The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that
this time it will be different, which of course it never is.
But who knows? Maybe humanity will learn one day?
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that cannot be >> implemented or won't work if they are.
And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they have been
given the finger. All mouth and no trousers.
This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never
worked), logically (it is self-contradictory) and scientifically (it has been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on believing it.
The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that
this time it will be different, which of course it never is.
But who knows? Maybe humanity will learn one day?
On 2024-07-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that cannot be >>> implemented or won't work if they are.
And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they have been
given the finger. All mouth and no trousers.
This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never
worked), logically (it is self-contradictory) and scientifically (it has
been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on believing it.
The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on
earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that
this time it will be different, which of course it never is.
Unfortunately, this is true of demagogues on both the left and the right. Take a look at the United States today, for instance. In fact, if you replace "socialism" with "unbridled capitalism", you've pretty much
covered the whole spectrum (aside from us radical moderates sitting
in the middle, watching the chaos unfold on both sides).
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote:
On 2024-07-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Thats probably what irks me most of all, that we pay for this. It's
not the people who are grinding the most pushing these ideas. I could
excuse Linux Torvalds wanting to weigh in on the Code of Conduct for the
Linux Kernel, but its people who don't contribute much. Like Coraline
Ada Ehmke, who create the Contributor Covenant, throwing their weight
around, but not creating anything except a bloated github profile of
lots of tiny Ruby spots of code. The Ladybird browser noted the same
thing, their objection to the Woke activism was the person wanting to
change gendered language had made no other real contribution. Think of
those who go around moralising as DEI consultants or activist, what have
they actually produced of real value?
These "woke" or "marxist" ideas are luxury beliefs, and they are our
priestly class. These beliefs are held by those who work cushy jobs,
usually, or have nothing to lose anyway. Their JOB could just be to
pontificate or moralise, like a DEI consultant or something, but again,
this is just done on the backs of those who actually work.
Oh yes... I could keep you throwing up all evening with stories from the
mgmt meetings at a startup where I was consulting. The amount of pure excrement woke bullshit I had to wade through, parry, oppose, threaten and argue, to stop was enormous.
In the end, since it was a remote gig, it was not possible to fight, since most of the other were on site and it's difficult to play politics when you're the only one remote and the rest are on site.
But to my great satisfaction, once they decided to push through an "agile" initiative, the top 20 percent of the company left and then they
terminated the most woke people since they couldn't carry their cost any longer once the revenues dropped due to the woke b.s.! =D
On 05/07/2024 18:15, D wrote:
Socialism is essentially paternalistic slavery. Everyone works for the gummint, and the gummint tells them what to think do and say and 'sees
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/07/2024 11:29, D wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards >>>>>> the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of
ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and >>>>>> coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social >>>>>> good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head.
The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists
with their Art degrees and their moral 'issues'
This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses, >>>> have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do
have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles. >>>>
It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is
irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge >>>> winners of the current system.
However... and here is where it gets interesting!
I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only >>>> socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with! >>>> Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite
often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something.
A late friend was a rampant sort of lower middle class Scottish raving
socialist of the red union sort. He became a local councillor, and
said that 'the only people who ever got things done were the Tory
squirearchy.
And yet he was overjoyed when Blair got in.
I finally realised that what appealed was the ideology. The fact that
Labour never has and never will solve a single social problem it
identifies as 'crucial' meant nothing to him
It was the thought, that counted.
Virtue signalling, not practical politics.
Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that
cannot be implemented or won't work if they are.
And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they
have been given the finger. All mouth and no trousers.
This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never
worked), logically (it is self-contradictory)Â and scientifically (it
has been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on
believing it.
The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on
earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that
this time it will be different, which of course it never is.
But who knows? Maybe humanity will learn one day?
them right'.
Except somehow it never does...
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote:
On 2024-07-04, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote:
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On 2024-07-04, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2024-07-03 6:05 p.m., SugarBug wrote:
NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors,Darn, I thought I was the first to post this.
forces abdication of founder
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314
I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded >>>>>>> tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc
Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama. >>>>>>
Are there any non-political distributions to switch to? Since I'm a free >>>>> speech extremist I'm against all projects that ban conservative, nazis and
communists who contribute.
Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives.
Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and >>>> everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist". What
distribution are you using at the moment?
Sigh, yes this is true. But, at least I am benefiting from this. My
company has a strict "no woke" policy, and due to that, I get highly
skilled people to work for me as consultants who would throw up if they
had to work for big IT with their woke ideology! =)
I use opensuse at the moment, but based on what I've read they've gone
woke. So next time I reinstall it is probably time to change.
Based on very shallow research it looks as if perhaps Alpine linux and
Freebsd might be two communities who don't explicitly reject
conservatives.
I'm using Debian, and I haven't seen anything overtly political, but
then, I haven't looked into it that deep.
Ah, maybe that could be another haven perhaps!
Double check FreeBSD. I thought they signed up to the woke "Contributor
Covenant" if I recall correctly. That CoC is an explicitely political
and divisive CoC which is specifically designed, as stated by its very
own creator, to end "meritocracy". People that don't know better let
these wolves in sheeps clothing into their organisation and poison it.
Thank you for the warning! Let me have a look...
This is what they have:
be friendly and patient,
be welcoming,
be considerate,
be respectful,
be careful in the words that you choose and be kind to others,
when we disagree, try to understand why.
I see nothing wrong with that... continued...
Be careful in the words that you choose and be kind to others. Do not
insult or put down other participants. Harassment and other exclusionary behavior aren¢t acceptable. This includes, but is not limited to:
Violent threats or language directed against another person.
Discriminatory jokes and language.
Posting sexually explicit or violent material.
Posting (or threatening to post) other people¢s personally identifying information ("doxing").
Personal insults, especially those using racist or sexist terms.
Unwelcome sexual attention.
Advocating for, or encouraging, any of the above behavior.
I can live with the above, _however_, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. If conservatives and libertarians have beenkicked out of the
project, while homos and trans people stay after rubbing peoples faces in their weirdness, then it is apparent that the above is only directed
against some isms and not others.
So I've seen worse than Freebsd, but it does have a slight bias against pro-trans people at the expense of conservative although it is not that pronouced I'd say.
In terms of other BSDs I think the most hardcore tech-focused as in "shut
up and code" might be OpenBSD. I doubt they've had many trans-battles
there due to their benevolent dictator for life setup.
Too bad they have a crappy filesystems, otherwise Openbsd could be a nice project to join as well.
In addition, violations of this code outside these spaces may, in rare cases, affect a person’s ability to participate within them, when the conduct amounts to an egregious violation of this code.
On 05/07/2024 18:15, D wrote:
Socialism is essentially paternalistic slavery. Everyone works for the gummint, and the gummint tells them what to think do and say and 'sees them right'.
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/07/2024 11:29, D wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards >>>>>> the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of
ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and >>>>>> coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social >>>>>> good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head.
The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists with >>>>> their Art degrees and their moral 'issues'
This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses, >>>> have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do
have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles. >>>>
It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is
irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge >>>> winners of the current system.
However... and here is where it gets interesting!
I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only >>>> socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with! >>>> Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite
often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something.
A late friend was a rampant sort of lower middle class Scottish raving
socialist of the red union sort. He became a local councillor, and said
that 'the only people who ever got things done were the Tory squirearchy. >>>
And yet he was overjoyed when Blair got in.
I finally realised that what appealed was the ideology. The fact that
Labour never has and never will solve a single social problem it
identifies as 'crucial' meant nothing to him
It was the thought, that counted.
Virtue signalling, not practical politics.
Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that cannot be >>> implemented or won't work if they are.
And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they have >>> been given the finger. All mouth and no trousers.
This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never
worked), logically (it is self-contradictory)Â and scientifically (it has >> been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on believing >> it.
The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on
earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that this >> time it will be different, which of course it never is.
But who knows? Maybe humanity will learn one day?
Except somehow it never does...
On 2024-07-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that cannot be >>> implemented or won't work if they are.
And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they have been
given the finger. All mouth and no trousers.
This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never
worked), logically (it is self-contradictory) and scientifically (it has
been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on believing it.
The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on
earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that
this time it will be different, which of course it never is.
Unfortunately, this is true of demagogues on both the left and the right. Take a look at the United States today, for instance. In fact, if you replace "socialism" with "unbridled capitalism", you've pretty much
covered the whole spectrum (aside from us radical moderates sitting
in the middle, watching the chaos unfold on both sides).
But who knows? Maybe humanity will learn one day?
I'm not holding my breath.
Unfortunately, this is true of demagogues on both the left and the right. Take a look at the United States today, for instance. In fact, if you replace "socialism" with "unbridled capitalism", you've pretty much
covered the whole spectrum (aside from us radical moderates sitting
in the middle, watching the chaos unfold on both sides).
But who knows? Maybe humanity will learn one day?I'm not holding my breath.
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-07-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that cannot be >>>> implemented or won't work if they are.
And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they have been
given the finger. All mouth and no trousers.
This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never
worked), logically (it is self-contradictory) and scientifically (it has >>> been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on believing it.
The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on
earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that
this time it will be different, which of course it never is.
Unfortunately, this is true of demagogues on both the left and the right.
Take a look at the United States today, for instance. In fact, if you
replace "socialism" with "unbridled capitalism", you've pretty much
covered the whole spectrum (aside from us radical moderates sitting
in the middle, watching the chaos unfold on both sides).
It's an inevitability of politics since people are generally too
willing to believe in easy utopian promises. When you look at minor
policical parties it's even worse, because they never get enough
power to implement their misconceived schemes and therefore grow
their own imaginary world where "because we'll solve a with b, we
can fix c with d...".
The major parties love to inflate the potential of their schemes
as well, but eventually they actually achieve power and frequently
fail to implement them or find they're ineffective, so their
policies get flushed out and start again at the next
election/revolution. To try and get closer to topic, imagine it as
a stack in a computer.
Then if the majors make a particular habit of filling their stack
with rubbish between each flush, a radical minor party might get
elected and unleash their huge full stack of ideas. Then that soon
gets flushed out in a stream of failure and infeasibility, so the
new party is forced to realign itself along some other course while
still trying to hold on to the support it won for its original
vision. They often turn to frantic nationalism at that point.
On 2024-07-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
[*snip*]
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote:
On 2024-07-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Thats probably what irks me most of all, that we pay for this. It's
not the people who are grinding the most pushing these ideas. I could
excuse Linux Torvalds wanting to weigh in on the Code of Conduct for the >>> Linux Kernel, but its people who don't contribute much. Like Coraline
Ada Ehmke, who create the Contributor Covenant, throwing their weight
around, but not creating anything except a bloated github profile of
lots of tiny Ruby spots of code. The Ladybird browser noted the same
thing, their objection to the Woke activism was the person wanting to
change gendered language had made no other real contribution. Think of
those who go around moralising as DEI consultants or activist, what have >>> they actually produced of real value?
These "woke" or "marxist" ideas are luxury beliefs, and they are our
priestly class. These beliefs are held by those who work cushy jobs,
usually, or have nothing to lose anyway. Their JOB could just be to
pontificate or moralise, like a DEI consultant or something, but again,
this is just done on the backs of those who actually work.
Oh yes... I could keep you throwing up all evening with stories from the
mgmt meetings at a startup where I was consulting. The amount of pure
excrement woke bullshit I had to wade through, parry, oppose, threaten and >> argue, to stop was enormous.
In the end, since it was a remote gig, it was not possible to fight, since >> most of the other were on site and it's difficult to play politics when
you're the only one remote and the rest are on site.
But to my great satisfaction, once they decided to push through an "agile" >> initiative, the top 20 percent of the company left and then they
terminated the most woke people since they couldn't carry their cost any
longer once the revenues dropped due to the woke b.s.! =D
I've had to deal with a lot of it, trust me. Unfortunately there is a
class of people who are becoming more and more dominant, who are taking leadership positions within companies, who see the company as a vehicle
for their own vanity. They focus more and more on using the company,
and its resources to signal their own virtue than to produce. More and
more focus on things that have nothing to do with the core business, and things where it is debatable whether any employee get any tangible
benefit.
In Australia, there was a recent referendum about whether to include a
"voice to parliament" for Aboriginals and a preamble in the constitution recognising them as the first peoples. I was rather ambivalent about
it, but you saw companies spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to
campaing for a "YES" vote. Why is an airline spending money on this?
How does this benefit shareholders, employees or customers? No, its so
the CEO and execs can crow to others about their social work.
Anyway, to bring this back slightly on topic, I guess the point is we
need to not tolerate people using projects, companies, and steering them towards activism for their own purposes. If you want to be an activist
for LGBT rights or whatever, do so, but we shouldn't sit by why they use *other peoples hard work* as a vehicle for thier own activism. Do that
on your own time, with your own resources. I think this is where we as users, developers, employees, stakeholders need to push back and bit and
say "take it elsewhere, if you want a project, company to do activist
work, make your own explicitely for that purpose". Take AntiX, its explicitely Anti-Fascist, I have no idea how a distro is "anti-fascist",
it seems ridiculous, but at least its their OWN project, and from what I know, it doesn't intrude on other peoples works, and apparently,
according to a friend, actually runs great.
...In terms of other BSDs I think the most hardcore tech-focused as in "shut
up and code" might be OpenBSD. I doubt they've had many trans-battles
there due to their benevolent dictator for life setup.
Too bad they have a crappy filesystems, otherwise Openbsd could be a nice
project to join as well.
The problem is that these are the thin edge of the wedge. Activists
insert these, so they can militantly enforce them. The FreeBSD one
isn't too far from the Covenant Code.
People should have the right to think freely, and express themselves. I
see no issue with a code that says "don't talk
politics/religion/sexuality in this technical forum", but increasingly
we are seeing organisations have conduct codes that *presume* certain
values and require everyone to adhere to those values.
On 2024-07-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 05/07/2024 18:15, D wrote:
Socialism is essentially paternalistic slavery. Everyone works for the
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/07/2024 11:29, D wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards >>>>>>> the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of >>>>>>> ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and >>>>>>> coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social >>>>>>> good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head.
The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists >>>>>> with their Art degrees and their moral 'issues'
This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses, >>>>> have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do >>>>> have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles. >>>>>
It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is
irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge >>>>> winners of the current system.
However... and here is where it gets interesting!
I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only >>>>> socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with! >>>>> Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite
often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something.
A late friend was a rampant sort of lower middle class Scottish raving >>>> socialist of the red union sort. He became a local councillor, and
said that 'the only people who ever got things done were the Tory
squirearchy.
And yet he was overjoyed when Blair got in.
I finally realised that what appealed was the ideology. The fact that
Labour never has and never will solve a single social problem it
identifies as 'crucial' meant nothing to him
It was the thought, that counted.
Virtue signalling, not practical politics.
Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that
cannot be implemented or won't work if they are.
And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they
have been given the finger. All mouth and no trousers.
This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never
worked), logically (it is self-contradictory)Â and scientifically (it
has been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on
believing it.
The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on
earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that
this time it will be different, which of course it never is.
But who knows? Maybe humanity will learn one day?
gummint, and the gummint tells them what to think do and say and 'sees
them right'.
Except somehow it never does...
If you want people to support Capitalism, they must have Capital. Many people have little to no Capital... soo...
I can't blame young people for turning to Socialism. They'll never own
a house, never have any wealth, why should they care?
By the way, I struggle to see our system working, it is failing
miserably too.
If you want people to support Capitalism, they must have Capital. Many people have little to no Capital... soo...
I can't blame young people for turning to Socialism. They'll never own
a house, never have any wealth, why should they care?
By the way, I struggle to see our system working, it is failing
miserably too.
On 05/07/2024 21:28, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
Unfortunately, this is true of demagogues on both the left and the right.
Take a look at the United States today, for instance. In fact, if you
replace "socialism" with "unbridled capitalism", you've pretty much
covered the whole spectrum (aside from us radical moderates sitting
in the middle, watching the chaos unfold on both sides).
Charlie, my take on this is that unbridled capitalism has teamed up with government to completely control the market and mandate by legislation
the use of its products, rather than bother to compete with other
companies on quality.
The end result might as well be communism, except the big corporations replace the Party as the controllers of industry.
In this context a raft of 'social' and 'environmental' legislation that
only large corporates can afford to implement, drives out all the mom
and pop businesses.
I've seen this absolutely happen in the UK and Germany at least. Manufacturers collude with the EU or the UK government to bring in legislation for 'new' 'green' products *they* have just developed - but
no one else has.
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all
private property.
Karl Marx
On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Then if the majors make a particular habit of filling their stack
with rubbish between each flush, a radical minor party might get
elected and unleash their huge full stack of ideas. Then that soon
gets flushed out in a stream of failure and infeasibility, so the
new party is forced to realign itself along some other course while
still trying to hold on to the support it won for its original
vision. They often turn to frantic nationalism at that point.
Now for the next question... how would you fix this?
On 2024-07-06, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you want people to support Capitalism, they must have Capital. Many
people have little to no Capital... soo...
I can't blame young people for turning to Socialism. They'll never own
a house, never have any wealth, why should they care?
Any 20-year-old who isn't a liberal has no heart.
Any 40-year-old who isn't a conservative has no brain.
-- not Winston Churchill
Any 60-year-old who isn't a moderate has no soul.
-- me
By the way, I struggle to see our system working, it is failing
miserably too.
Not for those at the top...
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On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote:
On 2024-07-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 05/07/2024 18:15, D wrote:
Socialism is essentially paternalistic slavery. Everyone works for the
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/07/2024 11:29, D wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards >>>>>>>> the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of >>>>>>>> ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and >>>>>>>> coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social >>>>>>>> good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head.
The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists >>>>>>> with their Art degrees and their moral 'issues'
This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses, >>>>>> have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do >>>>>> have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles. >>>>>>
It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is
irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge >>>>>> winners of the current system.
However... and here is where it gets interesting!
I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only >>>>>> socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with! >>>>>> Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite >>>>>> often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something.
A late friend was a rampant sort of lower middle class Scottish raving >>>>> socialist of the red union sort. He became a local councillor, and
said that 'the only people who ever got things done were the Tory
squirearchy.
And yet he was overjoyed when Blair got in.
I finally realised that what appealed was the ideology. The fact that >>>>> Labour never has and never will solve a single social problem it
identifies as 'crucial' meant nothing to him
It was the thought, that counted.
Virtue signalling, not practical politics.
Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that
cannot be implemented or won't work if they are.
And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they
have been given the finger. All mouth and no trousers.
This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never
worked), logically (it is self-contradictory)Â and scientifically (it >>>> has been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on
believing it.
The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on >>>> earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that >>>> this time it will be different, which of course it never is.
But who knows? Maybe humanity will learn one day?
gummint, and the gummint tells them what to think do and say and 'sees
them right'.
Except somehow it never does...
If you want people to support Capitalism, they must have Capital. Many
people have little to no Capital... soo...
I can't blame young people for turning to Socialism. They'll never own
a house, never have any wealth, why should they care?
By the way, I struggle to see our system working, it is failing
miserably too.
The thing is... with capitalism and free markets, people will soon earn capital. Hong Kong used to be a backwards island, they started with sweat shops and unregulated capitalism, and finished by becoming the worlds financial center with the highest salaries in the world (before china took over). What made that possible was unregulated capitalism, since the backwards island could then bootstrap itself to wealth within a few generations.
More about that in Johan Norbergs in defense of global capitalism, and the capitalist manifesto, if you are interested.
As for the young, they are sold lies, and since they are young and lack
life experience, it is of course a nicer lie that the government will give them everything, without having to work for it, than manning up and go to work.
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On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote:
On 2024-07-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
[*snip*]
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote:
On 2024-07-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Thats probably what irks me most of all, that we pay for this. It's
not the people who are grinding the most pushing these ideas. I could >>>> excuse Linux Torvalds wanting to weigh in on the Code of Conduct for the >>>> Linux Kernel, but its people who don't contribute much. Like Coraline >>>> Ada Ehmke, who create the Contributor Covenant, throwing their weight
around, but not creating anything except a bloated github profile of
lots of tiny Ruby spots of code. The Ladybird browser noted the same
thing, their objection to the Woke activism was the person wanting to
change gendered language had made no other real contribution. Think of >>>> those who go around moralising as DEI consultants or activist, what have >>>> they actually produced of real value?
These "woke" or "marxist" ideas are luxury beliefs, and they are our
priestly class. These beliefs are held by those who work cushy jobs,
usually, or have nothing to lose anyway. Their JOB could just be to
pontificate or moralise, like a DEI consultant or something, but again, >>>> this is just done on the backs of those who actually work.
Oh yes... I could keep you throwing up all evening with stories from the >>> mgmt meetings at a startup where I was consulting. The amount of pure
excrement woke bullshit I had to wade through, parry, oppose, threaten and >>> argue, to stop was enormous.
In the end, since it was a remote gig, it was not possible to fight, since >>> most of the other were on site and it's difficult to play politics when
you're the only one remote and the rest are on site.
But to my great satisfaction, once they decided to push through an "agile" >>> initiative, the top 20 percent of the company left and then they
terminated the most woke people since they couldn't carry their cost any >>> longer once the revenues dropped due to the woke b.s.! =D
I've had to deal with a lot of it, trust me. Unfortunately there is a
class of people who are becoming more and more dominant, who are taking
leadership positions within companies, who see the company as a vehicle
for their own vanity. They focus more and more on using the company,
and its resources to signal their own virtue than to produce. More and
more focus on things that have nothing to do with the core business, and
things where it is debatable whether any employee get any tangible
benefit.
In Australia, there was a recent referendum about whether to include a
"voice to parliament" for Aboriginals and a preamble in the constitution
recognising them as the first peoples. I was rather ambivalent about
it, but you saw companies spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to
campaing for a "YES" vote. Why is an airline spending money on this?
How does this benefit shareholders, employees or customers? No, its so
the CEO and execs can crow to others about their social work.
Anyway, to bring this back slightly on topic, I guess the point is we
need to not tolerate people using projects, companies, and steering them
towards activism for their own purposes. If you want to be an activist
for LGBT rights or whatever, do so, but we shouldn't sit by why they use
*other peoples hard work* as a vehicle for thier own activism. Do that
on your own time, with your own resources. I think this is where we as
users, developers, employees, stakeholders need to push back and bit and
say "take it elsewhere, if you want a project, company to do activist
work, make your own explicitely for that purpose". Take AntiX, its
explicitely Anti-Fascist, I have no idea how a distro is "anti-fascist",
it seems ridiculous, but at least its their OWN project, and from what I
know, it doesn't intrude on other peoples works, and apparently,
according to a friend, actually runs great.
I think you are right. I also hope that the culture of silence on the
right is coming to an end. Historically, as soon as someone on the right spoke up, they were labeled as racist (no matter the topic) and were cancelled. But the left has become so extreme, and the labling and
cancelling so prevalent, that I imagine that many on the right just don't care any longer about that, and then it becomes easier to speak up.
I've been running a meetup for 10 years, and on a few occasions I've encountered gender activists and a corona-hysteric. On some occasions I
just ignore them, and they never come back, since they never get any
speaking time, and on some occasions I've told them to go f*ck themselves
and that the meetup is voluntary so they can go somewhere else if they
don't like it.
All times, this has been very successful since the people are not used to someone telling them to go f*ck themselves, they disappear quite quickly.
I guess it also helps that the topic is tech-focused and mostly non-fashionable, so I imagine the gender-mob is drawn to more fashionable things such as kubernetes, devops and agile forums. ;)
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On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote:
...In terms of other BSDs I think the most hardcore tech-focused as in "shut >>> up and code" might be OpenBSD. I doubt they've had many trans-battles
there due to their benevolent dictator for life setup.
Too bad they have a crappy filesystems, otherwise Openbsd could be a nice >>> project to join as well.
The problem is that these are the thin edge of the wedge. Activists
insert these, so they can militantly enforce them. The FreeBSD one
isn't too far from the Covenant Code.
People should have the right to think freely, and express themselves. I
see no issue with a code that says "don't talk
politics/religion/sexuality in this technical forum", but increasingly
we are seeing organisations have conduct codes that *presume* certain
values and require everyone to adhere to those values.
Yes, you make a good point. That's what I meant with my proof of the
pudding comment. As you say, looks fairly harmless on the surface, but
you can detect a leftist undercurrent and as you say, it can explode in
your face.
As for OpenBSD I cannot find anything except perhaps this:
Does OpenBSD has a Code Of Conduct?
No and there is no known plan of having one.
This is a topic upsetting OpenBSD people, just don’t ask about it and send patches.
https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2018-03-16-openbsd-unofficial-faq.html
Looks very promising! =)
And also something here:
https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg167105.html
I believe OpenBSD's code of conduct can be summed up as "if you are the
type of person who needs a code of conduct to teach to you how to human
then you are not welcome here".
At least I hope so.
Matthew
I always thought it could be summed up as "Don't piss off Theo". ;-)
... :)
He's setting a standard. So I don't have to worry about talking freely
about what I think here. And that's just one reason why I try to
migrate my machines to OpenBSD ...
And one of the first things I do when looking at software, and whether
it's useful for my needs or not: Are those who write it adults or are
they whinies with problems regarding understandable speech? I'm
trying to keep the latter mostly at safe distances from me, and I
tend to avoid their code getting installed onto my machines ...
So that's another reason I'm glad Theo de Raadt is setting a certain
standard here ...
On 2024-07-06, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you want people to support Capitalism, they must have Capital. Many
people have little to no Capital... soo...
I can't blame young people for turning to Socialism. They'll never own
a house, never have any wealth, why should they care?
Any 20-year-old who isn't a liberal has no heart.
Any 40-year-old who isn't a conservative has no brain.
-- not Winston Churchill
Any 60-year-old who isn't a moderate has no soul.
-- me
By the way, I struggle to see our system working, it is failing
miserably too.
Not for those at the top...
On 06/07/2024 18:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2024-07-06, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you want people to support Capitalism, they must have Capital. Many
people have little to no Capital... soo...
I can't blame young people for turning to Socialism. They'll never own
a house, never have any wealth, why should they care?
Any 20-year-old who isn't a liberal has no heart.
Any 40-year-old who isn't a conservative has no brain.
-- not Winston Churchill
Any 60-year-old who isn't a moderate has no soul.
-- me
http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cartoons%20and%20Politics/dilemma.jpg
By the way, I struggle to see our system working, it is failing
miserably too.
Not for those at the top...
Indeed.
The unintended result of high tech eliminating the need for human
labour, is that human labour is now worthless.
And so the likes of Putin find themselves with a garden full of human
weeds.
Putin' solution is to send them to war to let the Ukrainians kill them
In the West they become simply 'spare' a huge underclass supplied with taxpayers money to recycle it back to the corporate purveyors of brain
candy.
Or absorbed into the state propaganda machine to spout pointless woke
garbage in the mass media
I'm Gen X, with children. My children are not going to have homes of
their own, the ways things are going. The system is failing. I'm not
going to waste my energy supporting "Capital", when "Capital" is
determined to sell out my nations future and my childrens future.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Then if the majors make a particular habit of filling their stack
with rubbish between each flush, a radical minor party might get
elected and unleash their huge full stack of ideas. Then that soon
gets flushed out in a stream of failure and infeasibility, so the
new party is forced to realign itself along some other course while
still trying to hold on to the support it won for its original
vision. They often turn to frantic nationalism at that point.
Now for the next question... how would you fix this?
No idea, and I'd be highly skeptical of anyone who thinks they do
have a solution to it.
I'm not buying these lies anymore. I have a "good job", that I worked
damn hard to achieve, a managerial position, yet am worse off, while I
watch rent-seekers get everything. I never took benefits, I did
everything right. Screw that.
Yes, thats the thing, these seem harmless, reasonable, nice. But they introduce a very different paradigm, the change seems subtle but it
isn't.
The thing is... with capitalism and free markets, people will soon earn
capital. Hong Kong used to be a backwards island, they started with sweat
shops and unregulated capitalism, and finished by becoming the worlds
financial center with the highest salaries in the world (before china took >> over). What made that possible was unregulated capitalism, since the
backwards island could then bootstrap itself to wealth within a few
generations.
More about that in Johan Norbergs in defense of global capitalism, and the >> capitalist manifesto, if you are interested.
As for the young, they are sold lies, and since they are young and lack
life experience, it is of course a nicer lie that the government will give >> them everything, without having to work for it, than manning up and go to
work.
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Well, the thing is we HAVE Capitalism and Free Markets and Capital is
being accumulated by the few. Now if you are going to use that "this is
not true Free Markets", then sorry, then you sound like all the
Communists who say that Russia and China and North Korea are "not true Communism". If your ideology can only ever work in an utterly pure
form, its faulty, because that pure form will never be realised in
practice.
I've spend enough time believing in, buying, reading these arguments,
they don't work, IN PRACTICE. There is something to be said by letting entrepreneurs be entrepreneurs, and there is something to be said by
letting creative people be creative, yes, but the current system is
based on Capital, not creativity and inventiveness. You earn more money monopolising houses than actually working.
I'm not buying these lies anymore. I have a "good job", that I worked
damn hard to achieve, a managerial position, yet am worse off, while I
watch rent-seekers get everything. I never took benefits, I did
everything right. Screw that.
don't like it.
All times, this has been very successful since the people are not used to
someone telling them to go f*ck themselves, they disappear quite quickly.
I guess it also helps that the topic is tech-focused and mostly
non-fashionable, so I imagine the gender-mob is drawn to more fashionable
things such as kubernetes, devops and agile forums. ;)
The trick is to not care. When I see someone who is accused of being "racist" go full on defensive, arguing they have black friends, etc, I
just cringe inside. The labels DON'T MATTER. Ignore them. Don't
react, and don't believe any accusation. The words lose meaning when we completely ignore them. The right didn't do this, which is why they
lost, they kept trying to make sure they were moral in the eyes of their enemies.
Ignoring them, not caring one iota about their ravings is the correct, working response, as you've seen yourself.
The lie I do not buy is that the government will fix everything. I see politicians becoming richer and richer, I see regulations becoming more,
I see more and more government contracts being awarded to corporates who
are in bed with the government.
As I said, this is not my definition of free markets, this is my
definition of early stage socialism. And since this, as per your
message, seems to be what you mean with free markets, we will just talk
past each other.
What I do find interesting though, is that we see a lot of the sameIndeed. I see the retreat of the State from such an overwhelming
problems, but we land in dramatically different solutions.
The fact that humans become considere to be "worthless" shows the system
was utterly inhumane and corrupt to begin with. That is alone grounds
enough to warrant us overturning it.
I hold it as self evidently true that all men are *not* created equal,
and anyone who thinks they are or says they are is a either a moron or
a charlatan, and if they were it would destroy civilization, as we would
all be telephone sanitzers.
And no one would be left tor write the next generation of buggy secure over complex GUIs...
On 2024-07-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I hold it as self evidently true that all men are *not* created equal,
and anyone who thinks they are or says they are is a either a moron or
a charlatan, and if they were it would destroy civilization, as we would
all be telephone sanitzers.
Ah, another Douglas Adams fan. If he wrote that book today he'd call
them "social media influencers".
And no one would be left tor write the next
generation of buggy secure over complex GUIs...
Good. Then maybe there'll be room for someone to write the solid, simple user interfaces that we really need.
UK prioritises stability over representation. EU nations are more representative, but volatile.
On 07/07/2024 00:33, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:If it were that easy we would have done it by now.
On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Then if the majors make a particular habit of filling their stack
with rubbish between each flush, a radical minor party might get
elected and unleash their huge full stack of ideas. Then that soon
gets flushed out in a stream of failure and infeasibility, so the
new party is forced to realign itself along some other course while
still trying to hold on to the support it won for its original
vision. They often turn to frantic nationalism at that point.
Now for the next question... how would you fix this?
No idea, and I'd be highly skeptical of anyone who thinks they do
have a solution to it.
UK prioritises stability over representation. EU nations are more representative, but volatile.
Or are they?
Germany's disastrous state of its energy infrastructure now is the direct result of Merkel going into coalition with a Green minority party. Plant windmills and kill off nuclear to placate the Greens, but import Russian gas and East German lignite to do the heavy lifting.
The UKs election is a classic example of 'we want these fuckers out, and we don't actually care who gets in: They can't be any worse'
Of course, they will be...
So we will have to kick *this* lot out next time
On 07/07/2024 01:55, Borax Man wrote:
I'm not buying these lies anymore. I have a "good job", that I worked
damn hard to achieve, a managerial position, yet am worse off, while I
watch rent-seekers get everything. I never took benefits, I did
everything right. Screw that.
I was like that till I ended up running my own businesses.
There is only one person worth working hard for, and that is yourself
On 07/07/2024 11:51, D wrote:
The lie I do not buy is that the government will fix everything. I seeState Capture
politicians becoming richer and richer, I see regulations becoming more,
I see more and more government contracts being awarded to corporates who
are in bed with the government.
Crony Capitalism
NO Free market at all. Carefully regulated market
As I said, this is not my definition of free markets, this is myYup. Its a bastrdised blend of fascism oligarchy and Maexism
definition of early stage socialism. And since this, as per your
message, seems to be what you mean with free markets, we will just talk
past each other.
The big money uses Marxist socialist ideology and metaphysics to sell the idea of benevolent state control to the Liberal chatterati.
Meanwhile the peasants get fucked as per usual.
What I do find interesting though, is that we see a lot of the sameIndeed. I see the retreat of the State from such an overwhelming presence as being the only way to actually workout what works, by a less regulated market.
problems, but we land in dramatically different solutions.
Unfortunately many societies that have faced this in the past ended up with complete collapse and a regression back to a lot less civilisation
On 07/07/2024 10:28, Borax Man wrote:
Yes, thats the thing, these seem harmless, reasonable, nice. But they
introduce a very different paradigm, the change seems subtle but it
isn't.
You have reached the core feature of the Left/Marxist/woke modus operandi.
It isn't about winning the argument, or coming up with solutions to problems,. it is about *changing the agenda* so that instead of talking about how to have clean water by investing in sewage treatment we are all talking about whether 'women with penises' are being 'oppressed by society'.
And the terrifying thing is that people actually take this seriously. Because a succession of left wing movements have placed people in power whose mandate is not a functional secure society with resilient infrastructure, but a theocracy based on the Marxist metaphysics of 'soshul justiss' 'sustainability' 'equality' etc etc.
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/07/2024 01:55, Borax Man wrote:
I'm not buying these lies anymore. I have a "good job", that I worked
damn hard to achieve, a managerial position, yet am worse off, while I
watch rent-seekers get everything. I never took benefits, I did
everything right. Screw that.
I was like that till I ended up running my own businesses.
There is only one person worth working hard for, and that is yourself
This is the truth! I encourage everyone competent I know to at least try
to start their own business. If you succeed, it is well worth the
effort.
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
UK prioritises stability over representation. EU nations are more
representative, but volatile.
After 4 July I don't know about UK stability. Apparently the voters
were a little sick of stable.
I don't know enough of the situation to know if un- Brexit is in the
cards.
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 21:12:31 +0200, D wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/07/2024 01:55, Borax Man wrote:
I'm not buying these lies anymore. I have a "good job", that I worked >>>> damn hard to achieve, a managerial position, yet am worse off, while I >>>> watch rent-seekers get everything. I never took benefits, I did
everything right. Screw that.
I was like that till I ended up running my own businesses.
There is only one person worth working hard for, and that is yourself
This is the truth! I encourage everyone competent I know to at least try
to start their own business. If you succeed, it is well worth the
effort.
I did but I didn't have much interest in the 'business' part. Between the bookkeeping and having to go out and sell myself to find new contracts it
got old. I did okay with several core clients but I decided to 'retire'.
That was fun for a while.
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The UKs election is a classic example of 'we want these fuckers out,
and we don't actually care who gets in: They can't be any worse'
Of course, they will be...
So we will have to kick *this* lot out next time
What do you think will happen in the UK the next 4 years? My opinion is obvious, but in case you do live there I'm very interested in what
someone "on the ground" thinks.
On 07/07/2024 00:33, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:If it were that easy we would have done it by now.
On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:No idea, and I'd be highly skeptical of anyone who thinks they do
Then if the majors make a particular habit of filling their stack
with rubbish between each flush, a radical minor party might get
elected and unleash their huge full stack of ideas. Then that soon
gets flushed out in a stream of failure and infeasibility, so the
new party is forced to realign itself along some other course while
still trying to hold on to the support it won for its original
vision. They often turn to frantic nationalism at that point.
Now for the next question... how would you fix this?
have a solution to it.
UK prioritises stability over representation. EU nations are more representative, but volatile.
Or are they?
Germany's disastrous state of its energy infrastructure now is the direct result of Merkel going into coalition with a Green minority party. Plant windmills and kill off nuclear to placate the Greens, but import Russian gas and East German lignite to do the heavy lifting.
On So 07 Jul 2024 at 11:18, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:Ah, a statement of Faith..
On 07/07/2024 00:33, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:If it were that easy we would have done it by now.
On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:No idea, and I'd be highly skeptical of anyone who thinks they do
Then if the majors make a particular habit of filling their stack
with rubbish between each flush, a radical minor party might get
elected and unleash their huge full stack of ideas. Then that soon
gets flushed out in a stream of failure and infeasibility, so the
new party is forced to realign itself along some other course while
still trying to hold on to the support it won for its original
vision. They often turn to frantic nationalism at that point.
Now for the next question... how would you fix this?
have a solution to it.
UK prioritises stability over representation. EU nations are more
representative, but volatile.
Or are they?
Germany's disastrous state of its energy infrastructure now is the direct
result of Merkel going into coalition with a Green minority party. Plant
windmills and kill off nuclear to placate the Greens, but import Russian gas >> and East German lignite to do the heavy lifting.
That is utter bullshit!
- The energy infrastructure if Germany never has been in a better state
than now; it is no longer dependent on russian gas and oil.It still is
- Merkel never was in a coalition with the Greens!
- nuclear energy was also dependent on russian uranium. No more.
'Andreas
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