Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
For me, its
- fortune
- cowsay
- xpenguins
- fvwm(3)
- oneko
- emacs
- mc
- zsh
- asclock (using the FreeAMP theme)
- PCManFM
- star
- urxvt
- xpat2
- xlock
- links
- most
- lftp
- lzip
- xclip
- screen
- lrzsz
- gcc/g++/gdc
- nasm
- locate
- dar
latest Python ...
On 7 Jul 2024 02:10:06 GMT, rbowman wrote:
latest Python ...
Also Jupyter <https://jupyter.org/>. Actually JupyterLab now.
Well-known for being a powerful data-analysis framework, but also handy
for quick “scratchpad” programming, and not just in Python. The overhead is low enough that I can keep it running all the time.
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 03:40:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Also Jupyter <https://jupyter.org/>. Actually JupyterLab now.
Well-known for being a powerful data-analysis framework, but also handy
for quick “scratchpad” programming, and not just in Python. The
overhead is low enough that I can keep it running all the time.
I do have jupyter installed and have used it for tutorials but it's not something I use frequently.
doas/opendoas
I'm still in the progress to migrate from sudo to doas.
mawk
I like "-We" and dislike GAWKisms.
netcat & ncat
life savers for poking around in text based protocols.
rsync
openrsync doesn't really replace it yet.
wget
...still is more in my muscle memory than curl.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 07:14:14 +0042, yeti wrote:
doas/opendoas
I'm still in the progress to migrate from sudo to doas.
systemd-run0 might be the New Hawtness.
Now that Debian decided to drop X86, switching away from it is even more urgent and Devuan (still a good choice on AMD64 and X86) won't be able
to compensate for that.
On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 07:14:14 +0042, yeti wrote:
doas/opendoas
I'm still in the progress to migrate from sudo to doas.
systemd-run0 might be the New Hawtness.
mawk
I like "-We" and dislike GAWKisms.
perl >> awk (any awk)
netcat & ncat
life savers for poking around in text based protocols.
Why not socat?
rsync
openrsync doesn't really replace it yet.
Never heard of openrsync ... ah, another project that exists solely for licence-political reasons. Not to mention, BSD fragmentation strikes
again!
wget
...still is more in my muscle memory than curl.
Not to mention having a much smaller potential attack surface.
I thought they were continuing X86 support for Debian 13.
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> writes:
I thought they were continuing X86 support for Debian 13.
A while I read something about dropping X86 without a concrete date in
some mini-debconf notes. There may be decisions now about the date, but
I just do not care any more about it. Alea iacta est.
Being a Debian user since it's pre-releases without even toy-story
names, that really hurts, but my way forward only can mean leaving De(bi|vu)an.
The following are the officially supported architectures for Debian 13:
32-bit PC (i386) and 64-bit PC (amd64)
64-bit ARM (arm64)
ARM EABI (armel)
ARMv7 (EABI hard-float ABI, armhf)
little-endian MIPS (mipsel)
64-bit little-endian MIPS (mips64el)
64-bit little-endian PowerPC (ppc64el)
IBM System z (s390x)
Baseline bump for 32-bit PC to i686
The 32-bit PC support (known as the Debian architecture i386) now requires the "long NOP" instruction. Please refer to Baseline for 32-bit PC is now i686 for more information.
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and otherDont recognise any.
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
For me, its
- fortune
- cowsay
- xpenguins
- fvwm(3)
- oneko
- emacs
- mc
- zsh
- asclock (using the FreeAMP theme)
- PCManFM
- star
- urxvt
- xpat2
- xlock
- links
- most
- lftp
- lzip
- xclip
- screen
- lrzsz
- gcc/g++/gdc
- nasm
- locate
- dar
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
For me, its
- fortune
- cowsay
- xpenguins
- fvwm(3)
- oneko
- emacs
- mc
- zsh
- asclock (using the FreeAMP theme)
- PCManFM
- star
- urxvt
- xpat2
- xlock
- links
- most
- lftp
- lzip
- xclip
- screen
- lrzsz
- gcc/g++/gdc
- nasm
- locate
- dar
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT):[snip]
sidenote thank you for mentioning xpenguins i have been looking for a replacement for AMOR (amazing misuse of resources) forever since it wont compile for me under debian
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
For me, its
- fortune
- cowsay
- xpenguins
- fvwm(3)
- oneko
- emacs
- mc
- zsh
- asclock (using the FreeAMP theme)
- PCManFM
- star
- urxvt
- xpat2
- xlock
- links
- most
- lftp
- lzip
- xclip
- screen
- lrzsz
- gcc/g++/gdc
- nasm
- locate
- dar
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and
other elements that make up a basic install), do you consider
to be a vital part of YOUR Linux install?
sidenote thank you for mentioning xpenguins i have been looking for a replacement for AMOR (amazing misuse of resources) forever since it wont compile for me under debian
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 13:30:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
sidenote thank you for mentioning xpenguins i have been looking for a
replacement for AMOR (amazing misuse of resources) forever since it wont
compile for me under debian
xsnow?
On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 10:10:20 +0042, yeti wrote:
I'll rip out all systemd using distributions here as soon as I have
decided what to use instead.
Is there anything better than systemd? Why not create something?
I'll rip out all systemd using distributions here as soon as I
have decided what to use instead.
Someday when I'm really bored I'll have to figure out why some people hate systemd.
curl
jq
xdotool # It's a world full of boring chores out there. Just automate it!
On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 10:10:20 +0042, yeti wrote:
I'll rip out all systemd using distributions here as soon as I
have decided what to use instead.
Is there anything better than systemd? Why not create something?
systemd-haters are like the anti-fluoridationists of the Open Source movement.
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install?
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
ifconfig
ftp
mosh
aptitude (Devuan - I wish the changelog fetcher worked!)
Is there anything better than systemd?
That is bullshit. Flouridation is harmless, useful and protcects your
teeth. Systemd is none of those things. And FWIW, it is the Free
Software movement. You don't want to restrict Linux to only opensource.
On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 10:10:20 +0042, yeti wrote:
I'll rip out all systemd using distributions here as soon as I
have decided what to use instead.
Is there anything better than systemd? Why not create something?
The proper question is "Is there anything worse that systemd?"
Artix is quite good, simple and stable.
Unlike Systemd, it just works.
ifconfig
ffmpeg
On 7/7/24 5:59 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
systemd-haters are like the anti-fluoridationists of the Open Source movement.
That is bullshit. Flouridation is harmless, useful and protcects your
teeth. Systemd is none of those things. And FWIW, it is the Free
Software movement. You don't want to restrict Linux to only opensource.
Artix is quite good, simple and stable.
Unlike Systemd, it just works.
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install?
Beyond a base install it depends entirely on what I have in mind
for doing with the computer. But some that I often end up
installing manually because they're not included in the distro
base:
Network tools that should be there already, but may need
installing (GNU inetutils versions):
ifconfig
telnet
ftp
Other network tools:
links
tin
mosh
nmap
whois
dig
Format Conversions:
ghostscript
imagemagick
ffmpeg
Decompressors I always end up needing eventually:
p7zip or 7z
unrar
If it's a graphical install (always X11):
jwm (window manager)
xzgv (image viewer)
dillo (web browser)
xpdf (PDF viewer)
gv (postscript + pdf viewer)
Other tools:
tree
hunspell
mc
gcc
git
bc
apt-file (Devuan)
aptitude (Devuan - I wish the changelog fetcher worked!)
Lots more tools, especially graphical, depend on what I intend to
do with the computer, eg. Firefox on a PC but not on a RPi Zero.
I've assumed a few programs that others have mentioned, like wget,
are in the distro base packages already.
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT):
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
For me, its
- fortune
- cowsay
- xpenguins
- fvwm(3)
- oneko
- emacs
- mc
- zsh
- asclock (using the FreeAMP theme)
- PCManFM
- star
- urxvt
- xpat2
- xlock
- links
- most
- lftp
- lzip
- xclip
- screen
- lrzsz
- gcc/g++/gdc
- nasm
- locate
- dar
I'm sure I'm forgetting some here, but
git obviously
krita
aseprite
screen
rxvt-unicode
cool-retro-term
audacious
mpv (and the ffmpeg dependency)
imagemagick
picom
vim
n30f
xscreensaver (yes i use it as my locker)
screen
less
rofi
bucklespring (optional)
mc (optional)
aptitude (if on debian based)
sidenote thank you for mentioning xpenguins i have been looking for a replacement for AMOR (amazing misuse of resources) forever since it wont compile for me under debian
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 13:30:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
sidenote thank you for mentioning xpenguins i have been looking for a
replacement for AMOR (amazing misuse of resources) forever since it wont
compile for me under debian
xsnow?
On 2024-07-07, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 13:30:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
sidenote thank you for mentioning xpenguins i have been looking for a
replacement for AMOR (amazing misuse of resources) forever since it wont >>> compile for me under debian
xsnow?
Ahh, I forgot to mention xsnow!
There is also xroach.
Oneko draws a cat that follows your mouse pointer.
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 wrote:
To be fair, having Linux as your first OS would be very rare.
Why would you think that? Having the choice and the ability who would choose to
keep Windows at all?
To be fair, having Linux as your first OS would be very rare.
xdotool
Thats what the command line is for.
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 19:43:03 -0400, Popping Mad wrote:
Artix is quite good, simple and stable.
Interesting that all their anti-systemd rants are years out of date.
Unlike Systemd, it just works.
Did you know that systemd offers better compatibility with old sysvinit scripts than, say, OpenRC can manage?
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other[...]
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
For me, its
- star[...]
- lzip
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote at 13:51 this Monday (GMT):
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 wrote:
To be fair, having Linux as your first OS would be very rare.
Why would you think that? Having the choice and the ability who would choose to
keep Windows at all?
Well, if you grew up with it, there would be a huge learning curve
moving to Linux..
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 wrote:
To be fair, having Linux as your first OS would be very rare.
Why would you think that? Having the choice and the ability who would
choose to keep Windows at all?
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 13:51:16 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 wrote:
To be fair, having Linux as your first OS would be very rare.
Why would you think that? Having the choice and the ability who would
choose to keep Windows at all?
I read 'first' as the first OS a person was exposed to.
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
On Mon, 08 Jul 2024 18:11:30 +0000, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 13:51:16 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 wrote:
To be fair, having Linux as your first OS would be very rare.
Why would you think that? Having the choice and the ability who would
choose to keep Windows at all?
I read 'first' as the first OS a person was exposed to.
For me, that would be IBM's (mainframe) DOS/VS, at college.
;-)
For me, that would be IBM's (mainframe) DOS/VS, at college.
;-)
not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) writes:
ftp
You tried lftp?
On 8 Jul 2024 09:18:34 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
ifconfig
iproute2, surely.
ffmpeg
The multimedia sonic screwdriver. If there's a format or codec it doesn't handle, it's because that format or codec simply isn't worth using.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 8 Jul 2024 09:18:34 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
ffmpeg
The multimedia sonic screwdriver. If there's a format or codec it
doesn't handle, it's because that format or codec simply isn't worth
using.
Indeed, although it's unfortunate that the ways to do some seemingly
easy things like joining two video files together can require a very complicated set of command-line options.
You're the one who is trying to turn this into an argument over systemd
and trying to portray those who do not like systemd as "haters".
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 07:14:14 +0042, yeti wrote:
mawk
I like "-We" and dislike GAWKisms.
perl >> awk (any awk)
I have AWK in OpenWrt and NetBSD default installs. Perl not. So I
benefit more from keeping my AWK muscles intact.
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote at 13:51 this Monday (GMT):
Why would you think that? Having the choice and the ability who would
choose to keep Windows at all?
Well, if you grew up with it, there would be a huge learning curve
moving to Linux..
On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 10:10:20 +0042, yeti wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 07:14:14 +0042, yeti wrote:
mawk
I like "-We" and dislike GAWKisms.
perl >> awk (any awk)
I have AWK in OpenWrt and NetBSD default installs. Perl not. So I
benefit more from keeping my AWK muscles intact.
I never bothered to expend the brain cells to learn awk. perl does
everything awk does,
just as concisely, and a lot more besides.
xdotool is a _command-line_ X11 automation tool.
- I usually eventually will need wget and then likely unzip and possibly
some other uncompression tools may follow.
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 wrote:
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote at 13:51 this Monday (GMT):
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 wrote:
To be fair, having Linux as your first OS would be very rare.
Why would you think that? Having the choice and the ability who would choose to
keep Windows at all?
Well, if you grew up with it, there would be a huge learning curve
moving to Linux..
The learning curve is the installation and adhoc fixes, for the average use the
internet starts with the Google page and their bookmarks.
Having set many people up with KDE and Firefox they really didn't notice any difference. Except the wallpaper telling them their Windows was not activated.
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 14:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote at 13:51 this Monday (GMT):
Why would you think that? Having the choice and the ability who would
choose to keep Windows at all?
Well, if you grew up with it, there would be a huge learning curve
moving to Linux..
Most of that is actually an UNlearning curve, don’t forget. Things that
you expect to have to worry about, that actually you don’t.
On 9 Jul 2024 09:11:16 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 8 Jul 2024 09:18:34 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
ffmpeg
The multimedia sonic screwdriver. If there's a format or codec it
doesn't handle, it's because that format or codec simply isn't worth
using.
Indeed, although it's unfortunate that the ways to do some seemingly
easy things like joining two video files together can require a very
complicated set of command-line options.
Because some file formats (e.g. MPEG-4) do not work if you simply
concatenate files.
If you want a container that can be (more) easily split apart and joined,
and can even start playing before it has completely downloaded, try .ts (“transport stream”) format.
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> writes:
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
Varies but probably less, tmux, zsh and some minimal vi for editor are
the bare minimum. In fact, even back when I had a router with just 8 MB
flash for all storage, those four went in. Well, screen instead of tmux
back then. Uncomfortable to think people make do with awful Busybox.
X server or client stuff is by no means required since some of my
machines are headless. Might be some throwaway virtual machine too for something or other.
Usually also:
- Emacs if there's more editing or note taking to do and/or I get around
to it as then I'll want to pull my shared Emacs config somehow and
that means some sync setup or at least git.
- These days, bat for a file viewer or vim, same reason, color support
for easier reading of various files in the terminal.
- I usually eventually will need wget and then likely unzip and possibly
some other uncompression tools may follow.
- bup for backups if needed.
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 13:51:16 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 wrote:
To be fair, having Linux as your first OS would be very rare.
Why would you think that? Having the choice and the ability who would
choose to keep Windows at all?
I read 'first' as the first OS a person was exposed to.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <...@nz.invalid> [LD]:
xdotool
That¢s what the command line is for.
xdotool is a _command-line_ X11 automation tool.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 23:23 this Monday (GMT):
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 14:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote at 13:51 this Monday (GMT):
Why would you think that? Having the choice and the ability who would
choose to keep Windows at all?
Well, if you grew up with it, there would be a huge learning curve
moving to Linux..
Most of that is actually an UNlearning curve, don’t forget. Things that
you expect to have to worry about, that actually you don’t.
Right, but that still would be difficult to unlearn.
I never bothered to expend the brain cells to learn awk. perl does
everything awk does, just as concisely, and a lot more besides.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
I never bothered to expend the brain cells to learn awk. perl does
everything awk does,
Like being present in OpenWrt and BSD's default install?
On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 00:42:40 +0042, yeti wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
I never bothered to expend the brain cells to learn awk. perl does
everything awk does,
Like being present in OpenWrt and BSD's default install?
That’s why this thread is about stuff you want to make sure is present,
not relying on the distro defaults.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 23:18 this Monday (GMT):
On 9 Jul 2024 09:11:16 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 8 Jul 2024 09:18:34 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
ffmpeg
The multimedia sonic screwdriver. If there's a format or codec it
doesn't handle, it's because that format or codec simply isn't worth
using.
Indeed, although it's unfortunate that the ways to do some seemingly
easy things like joining two video files together can require a very
complicated set of command-line options.
Because some file formats (e.g. MPEG-4) do not work if you simply
concatenate files.
If you want a container that can be (more) easily split apart and joined,
and can even start playing before it has completely downloaded, try .ts
(“transport stream”) format.
I've never heard of that, but it sounds interesting! Is it a more raw
format like .wav?
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 21:21:23 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:Because it has been released way before all the bugs, inconsistencies
On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 10:10:20 +0042, yeti wrote:
I'll rip out all systemd using distributions here as soon as I have
decided what to use instead.
Is there anything better than systemd? Why not create something?
Someday when I'm really bored I'll have to figure out why some people hate systemd.
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 13:51:16 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 wrote:
To be fair, having Linux as your first OS would be very rare.
Why would you think that? Having the choice and the ability who would
choose to keep Windows at all?
I read 'first' as the first OS a person was exposed to.
On 7/8/24 10:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Well, if you grew up with it, there would be a huge learning curve
moving to Linux..
That is bullshit. You think it is easy to get Windows to do ANYTHING?
That was never true, not even before ximian, and it is still not true.
Well, if you grew up with it, there would be a huge learning curve
moving to Linux..
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 00:42:40 +0042, yeti wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
I never bothered to expend the brain cells to learn awk. perl does
everything awk does,
Like being present in OpenWrt and BSD's default install?
That’s why this thread is about stuff you want to make sure is present,
not relying on the distro defaults.
I mentioned to *install* MAWK because of -We and then it was YOU who
turned that into a "PERL is better" discussion.
On Tue, 9 Jul 2024, yeti wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 00:42:40 +0042, yeti wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
I never bothered to expend the brain cells to learn awk. perl does
everything awk does,
Like being present in OpenWrt and BSD's default install?
That’s why this thread is about stuff you want to make sure is present, >>> not relying on the distro defaults.
I mentioned to *install* MAWK because of -We and then it was YOU who
turned that into a "PERL is better" discussion.
Note that Lawrence thrives on conflict. His classic move is to refuse
to answer your arguments, reframe or rephrase the original question
and act as if that was what you were talking about all along.
Take a good piece of advice and just ignore him.
On 9 Jul 2024 09:11:16 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 8 Jul 2024 09:18:34 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
ffmpeg
The multimedia sonic screwdriver. If there's a format or codec it
doesn't handle, it's because that format or codec simply isn't worth
using.
Indeed, although it's unfortunate that the ways to do some seemingly
easy things like joining two video files together can require a very
complicated set of command-line options.
Because some file formats (e.g. MPEG-4) do not work if you simply
concatenate files.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 00:42:40 +0042, yeti wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
I never bothered to expend the brain cells to learn awk. perl does
everything awk does,
Like being present in OpenWrt and BSD's default install?
That’s why this thread is about stuff you want to make sure is present,
not relying on the distro defaults.
I mentioned to *install* MAWK because of -We and then it was YOU who
turned that into a "PERL is better" discussion.
Because it has been released way before all the bugs, inconsistencies
and documentation have been sorted out.
As well as all the third party apps invoked by it having to change
their startup scripts and methodologies.
Last time was to set up a scripted process for someone to
get video 'scenes' off their camera as one continuous video ...
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 10:25 this Monday (GMT):
On 2024-07-07, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT):
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that >>>> you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
For me, its
- fortune
- cowsay
- xpenguins
- fvwm(3)
- oneko
- emacs
- mc
- zsh
- asclock (using the FreeAMP theme)
- PCManFM
- star
- urxvt
- xpat2
- xlock
- links
- most
- lftp
- lzip
- xclip
- screen
- lrzsz
- gcc/g++/gdc
- nasm
- locate
- dar
I'm sure I'm forgetting some here, but
git obviously
krita
aseprite
screen
rxvt-unicode
cool-retro-term
audacious
mpv (and the ffmpeg dependency)
imagemagick
picom
vim
n30f
xscreensaver (yes i use it as my locker)
screen
less
rofi
bucklespring (optional)
mc (optional)
aptitude (if on debian based)
sidenote thank you for mentioning xpenguins i have been looking for a
replacement for AMOR (amazing misuse of resources) forever since it wont >>> compile for me under debian
I always have both XScreenSaver and XLockmore.
Do they work together?
On 7/8/24 10:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Well, if you grew up with it, there would be a huge learning curve
moving to Linux..
That is bullshit. You think it is easy to get Windows to do ANYTHING?
That was never true, not even before ximian, and it is still not true.
On 2024-07-09, Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> wrote:
On 7/8/24 10:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Well, if you grew up with it, there would be a huge learning curve
moving to Linux..
That is bullshit. You think it is easy to get Windows to do ANYTHING?
That was never true, not even before ximian, and it is still not true.
I agree, Windows was quite difficult too. Back in the Windows 95/98
days I had to reinstall a few times, because of viruses and corruption.
I remember having corrupted registries, vague GDI errors, things I
didn't know how to fix. I remember people having problems with Windows, coming to me for help because I did "know computers", but still being
stuck.
Windows is easy when it works, but when it stuffed up, it was just as difficult.
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 10:25 this Monday (GMT):
On 2024-07-07, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT):
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other >>>>> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital >>>>> part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that >>>>> you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
For me, its
- fortune
- cowsay
- xpenguins
- fvwm(3)
- oneko
- emacs
- mc
- zsh
- asclock (using the FreeAMP theme)
- PCManFM
- star
- urxvt
- xpat2
- xlock
- links
- most
- lftp
- lzip
- xclip
- screen
- lrzsz
- gcc/g++/gdc
- nasm
- locate
- dar
I'm sure I'm forgetting some here, but
git obviously
krita
aseprite
screen
rxvt-unicode
cool-retro-term
audacious
mpv (and the ffmpeg dependency)
imagemagick
picom
vim
n30f
xscreensaver (yes i use it as my locker)
screen
less
rofi
bucklespring (optional)
mc (optional)
aptitude (if on debian based)
sidenote thank you for mentioning xpenguins i have been looking for a
replacement for AMOR (amazing misuse of resources) forever since it wont >>>> compile for me under debian
I always have both XScreenSaver and XLockmore.
Do they work together?
Not really! I generally just use xlock when I want to lock my screen. XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they think
its hilarious!
On 09/07/2024 10:42, Popping Mad wrote:
On 7/8/24 10:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:The only reason Windows is popular is because it comes pre-installed on computers, and many 3rd party apps will only run on it.
Well, if you grew up with it, there would be a huge learning curve
moving to Linux..
That is bullshit. You think it is easy to get Windows to do ANYTHING?
That was never true, not even before ximian, and it is still not true.
On 2024-07-09, candycanearter07 wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 23:18 this Monday (GMT):
On 9 Jul 2024 09:11:16 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 8 Jul 2024 09:18:34 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
ffmpeg
The multimedia sonic screwdriver. If there's a format or codec it
doesn't handle, it's because that format or codec simply isn't worth >>>>> using.
Indeed, although it's unfortunate that the ways to do some seemingly
easy things like joining two video files together can require a very
complicated set of command-line options.
Because some file formats (e.g. MPEG-4) do not work if you simply
concatenate files.
If you want a container that can be (more) easily split apart and joined, >>> and can even start playing before it has completely downloaded, try .ts
(“transport stream”) format.
I've never heard of that, but it sounds interesting! Is it a more raw
format like .wav?
It's another MPEG container. I think one use of this is DVB (so,
"digital television").
Just like there is a different MPEG container used in DVD-Video.
My question here would be how flexible it is regarding what can be in
the container. From what I remember of DVD-Video, these containers
aren't that limited, you just need to stick to some criteria if you want compatibility with a specific kind of player (say, DVD-Video, where IIRC
the video stream has to be encoded using MPEG-2, and should have one of
a few frame sizes, likewise subtitles probably need to be in the bitmap format, even if MPEG can carry other subtitle formats (I think DVB also defines a textual format for subtitles?)).
On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 00:36:32 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 23:23 this Monday (GMT):
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 14:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote at 13:51 this Monday (GMT):
Why would you think that? Having the choice and the ability who would >>>>> choose to keep Windows at all?
Well, if you grew up with it, there would be a huge learning curve
moving to Linux..
Most of that is actually an UNlearning curve, don’t forget. Things that >>> you expect to have to worry about, that actually you don’t.
Right, but that still would be difficult to unlearn.
If you progressed from CP/M and DOS there wasn't that much to unlearn.
I've nothing against GUIs but I'm usually not far from Konsole, xterm. Windows Terminal or whatever else gives me a command line.
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote at 09:44 this Tuesday (GMT):
The only reason Windows is popular is because it comes pre-installed on
computers, and many 3rd party apps will only run on it.
And the whole snowball effect of "everyone uses it so everyone knows how
to deal with its issues" thing.
On 2024-07-09, Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> wrote:
On 7/8/24 10:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Well, if you grew up with it, there would be a huge learning curve
moving to Linux..
That is bullshit. You think it is easy to get Windows to do ANYTHING?
That was never true, not even before ximian, and it is still not true.
I agree, Windows was quite difficult too. Back in the Windows 95/98
days I had to reinstall a few times, because of viruses and corruption.
I remember having corrupted registries, vague GDI errors, things I
didn't know how to fix. I remember people having problems with Windows, coming to me for help because I did "know computers", but still being
stuck.
Windows is easy when it works, but when it stuffed up, it was just as
difficult.
Yeah, but most people nowadays use Windows and stuff
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 09:31 this Wednesday (GMT):[...]
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 10:25 this Monday (GMT):
On 2024-07-07, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT):
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other >>>>>> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital >>>>>> part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that >>>>>> you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe >>>>>> others wouldn't?
[...]I'm sure I'm forgetting some here, but
[...]xscreensaver (yes i use it as my locker)
I always have both XScreenSaver and XLockmore.
Do they work together?
Not really! I generally just use xlock when I want to lock my screen.
XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they think
its hilarious!
Oh, IG I'll stick to XSS then. Do you run them directly from /usr/lib/xscreensaver? (or libexec)
On 10/07/2024 14:40, candycanearter07 wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote at 09:44 this Tuesday
(GMT):
The only reason Windows is popular is because it comes pre-installed on
computers, and many 3rd party apps will only run on it.
And the whole snowball effect of "everyone uses it so everyone knows how
to deal with its issues" thing.
Nothing succeeds like success, eh?
XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they think
its hilarious!
Wait, subtitles were saved as bitmap images?
I was very happy when MS finally got around to multiple
virtual desktops. Most Windows users don't even know what I'm talking
about.
And the whole snowball effect of "everyone uses it so everyone knows how
to deal with its issues" thing.
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 09:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they
think its hilarious!
I would just leave it on “random” so you never knew which display it would run on the next activation. Some of them are just mind-blowing.
Windows is easy when it works,
Nobody should be expressing an opinion about systemd
I don't have to read anything about systemd. I've used it as it rolled
out and it sucked. It is broken by design.
On 10 Jul 2024 19:12:48 GMT, rbowman wrote:
I was very happy when MS finally got around to multiple virtual
desktops. Most Windows users don't even know what I'm talking about.
Probably because they still don’t work right. On Windows, they require cooperation from the app in order to work. On *nix systems, they don’t.
As I used to say back in the mainframe days:
Everybody uses COBOL because everybody uses COBOL.
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 22:22:07 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On 10 Jul 2024 19:12:48 GMT, rbowman wrote:
I was very happy when MS finally got around to multiple virtual
desktops. Most Windows users don't even know what I'm talking about.
Probably because they still don’t work right. On Windows, they require
cooperation from the app in order to work. On *nix systems, they don’t.
They're better than the third party attempts at least.
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
And the whole snowball effect of "everyone uses it so everyone knows how
to deal with its issues" thing.
“Dealing with issues” usually means:
* If it gives trouble, reboot it.
* If it still gives trouble, reinstall.
How many Windows users know anything beyond this?
On 2024-07-10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
And the whole snowball effect of "everyone uses it so everyone knows
how to deal with its issues" thing.
“Dealing with issues” usually means:
* If it gives trouble, reboot it.
* If it still gives trouble, reinstall.
How many Windows users know anything beyond this?
A friend once worked in a shop where it was SOP to re-format and
re-install Windows on all machines every 6 months.
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
And the whole snowball effect of "everyone uses it so everyone knows how
to deal with its issues" thing.
“Dealing with issues” usually means:
* If it gives trouble, reboot it.
* If it still gives trouble, reinstall.
How many Windows users know anything beyond this?
On 2024-07-10, candycanearter07 wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 09:31 this Wednesday (GMT):[...]
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 10:25 this Monday (GMT):
On 2024-07-07, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT): >>>>>>>
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other >>>>>>> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital >>>>>>> part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that >>>>>>> you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe >>>>>>> others wouldn't?
[...]I'm sure I'm forgetting some here, but
[...]xscreensaver (yes i use it as my locker)
I always have both XScreenSaver and XLockmore.
Do they work together?
Not really! I generally just use xlock when I want to lock my screen.
XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they think >>> its hilarious!
Oh, IG I'll stick to XSS then. Do you run them directly from
/usr/lib/xscreensaver? (or libexec)
To lock a system running X11, there's also vlock -n -a (At least in the standalone utility I have in this distro, I think some other package now
also provides a vlock with less features? Or am I misremembering?)
But with vlock you don't get the fun and interesting part of watching screensavers.
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 09:31 this Wednesday (GMT):
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 10:25 this Monday (GMT):
On 2024-07-07, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT):
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other >>>>>> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital >>>>>> part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that >>>>>> you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe >>>>>> others wouldn't?
For me, its
- fortune
- cowsay
- xpenguins
- fvwm(3)
- oneko
- emacs
- mc
- zsh
- asclock (using the FreeAMP theme)
- PCManFM
- star
- urxvt
- xpat2
- xlock
- links
- most
- lftp
- lzip
- xclip
- screen
- lrzsz
- gcc/g++/gdc
- nasm
- locate
- dar
I'm sure I'm forgetting some here, but
git obviously
krita
aseprite
screen
rxvt-unicode
cool-retro-term
audacious
mpv (and the ffmpeg dependency)
imagemagick
picom
vim
n30f
xscreensaver (yes i use it as my locker)
screen
less
rofi
bucklespring (optional)
mc (optional)
aptitude (if on debian based)
sidenote thank you for mentioning xpenguins i have been looking for a >>>>> replacement for AMOR (amazing misuse of resources) forever since it wont >>>>> compile for me under debian
I always have both XScreenSaver and XLockmore.
Do they work together?
Not really! I generally just use xlock when I want to lock my screen.
XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they think
its hilarious!
Oh, IG I'll stick to XSS then. Do you run them directly from /usr/lib/xscreensaver? (or libexec)
On 2024-07-10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 21:58:58 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
As I used to say back in the mainframe days:
Everybody uses COBOL because everybody uses COBOL.
FORTRAN. COBOL was for brain dead business people who loved to type...
On 2024-07-10, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 09:31 this Wednesday (GMT):
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 10:25 this Monday (GMT):
On 2024-07-07, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT): >>>>>>>
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other >>>>>>> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital >>>>>>> part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that >>>>>>> you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe >>>>>>> others wouldn't?
For me, its
- fortune
- cowsay
- xpenguins
- fvwm(3)
- oneko
- emacs
- mc
- zsh
- asclock (using the FreeAMP theme)
- PCManFM
- star
- urxvt
- xpat2
- xlock
- links
- most
- lftp
- lzip
- xclip
- screen
- lrzsz
- gcc/g++/gdc
- nasm
- locate
- dar
I'm sure I'm forgetting some here, but
git obviously
krita
aseprite
screen
rxvt-unicode
cool-retro-term
audacious
mpv (and the ffmpeg dependency)
imagemagick
picom
vim
n30f
xscreensaver (yes i use it as my locker)
screen
less
rofi
bucklespring (optional)
mc (optional)
aptitude (if on debian based)
sidenote thank you for mentioning xpenguins i have been looking for a >>>>>> replacement for AMOR (amazing misuse of resources) forever since it wont >>>>>> compile for me under debian
I always have both XScreenSaver and XLockmore.
Do they work together?
Not really! I generally just use xlock when I want to lock my screen.
XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they think >>> its hilarious!
Oh, IG I'll stick to XSS then. Do you run them directly from
/usr/lib/xscreensaver? (or libexec)
Its built into the menu for FVWM. My FVWM config, which is based on an
old template that came with FVWM or FVWM95 has a menu for ScreenSavers
which lists the xlock ones and also for XScreenSaver to start it, or
start the demo. Thats perhaps why I use them, because in the very early
days when I started using Linux, I found them in the menu entry here.
On 7/10/24 5:25 AM, Borax Man wrote:
Windows is easy when it works,
it never works. It has a built in shell now, so that is a HUGE leap
forward. But most of my users who have wiondwos can't even figure out
where the fuck their files are because they are being force fed online services, desktops and virtual spaces,
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Wait, subtitles were saved as bitmap images?
In DVD-Video, they were called “subpictures”, and had 2 bits per pixel. That meant a choice of four different colour-table entries.
On 2024-07-11, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-07-10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
iamb - for matrix
slrn - for usenet
aerc - for email
vieb - for http/s
w2m - for http/s
gopass - for passwords
amfora - for gemini protocol capsules
weechat - for IRC
signa-desktop - for messanging since I refuse to use whatsup or telegram firefox - for work related content separated from personal one on vieb openssh - for ssh
opendoas - instead of bloated sudo
calcure - for calendar connected to personal and work calendars nextcloud-desktop - for my collective sharing of pictures, docs since i
have a degoogle phone and also use nextcloud there.
bottles/wine - for playing UO outlands and SWGemu
Sway/wlroots/foot - for desktop
neovim/nvchad - for coding/notes/documentation/organization
... and more...
On 2024-07-07, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
Some of these are too retro to be mainstream:
lshw - Linux equivalent to HP-UX ioscan
7-zip - extracts .7z files
units - convert between different units
xclip - CLI access to copy/paste buffer
On 2024-07-10, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-07-10, candycanearter07 wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 09:31 this Wednesday (GMT):[...]
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 10:25 this Monday (GMT):
On 2024-07-07, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT): >>>>>>>>
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other >>>>>>>> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital >>>>>>>> part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that >>>>>>>> you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe >>>>>>>> others wouldn't?
[...]I'm sure I'm forgetting some here, but
[...]xscreensaver (yes i use it as my locker)
I always have both XScreenSaver and XLockmore.
Do they work together?
Not really! I generally just use xlock when I want to lock my screen. >>>> XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they think >>>> its hilarious!
Oh, IG I'll stick to XSS then. Do you run them directly from
/usr/lib/xscreensaver? (or libexec)
To lock a system running X11, there's also vlock -n -a (At least in the
standalone utility I have in this distro, I think some other package now
also provides a vlock with less features? Or am I misremembering?)
But with vlock you don't get the fun and interesting part of watching
screensavers.
vlock on my system only locks the terminal. Useful for a text based terminal, not for X11.
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 04:12 this Thursday (GMT):
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 21:58:58 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
As I used to say back in the mainframe days:
Everybody uses COBOL because everybody uses COBOL.
FORTRAN. COBOL was for brain dead business people who loved to type...
Then everyone used BASIC for a while.
rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote at 13:29 this Friday (GMT):
openssh - for ssh
is there any other choice for ssh?
is there any other choice for ssh?
I prefer a GUI for email specifically, bc of all the html emails that
break in something like mutt
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 22:21 this Wednesday
(GMT):
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Wait, subtitles were saved as bitmap images?
In DVD-Video, they were called “subpictures”, and had 2 bits per pixel. >> That meant a choice of four different colour-table entries.
Interesting, so that's why some subtitles looked different.
Hopefully 7-zip is not like RAR where
some archive types aren't supported by at least some FLOSS libraries and utilities?)
[Windows] has a built in shell now, so that is a HUGE leap
forward.
On 2024-07-12, Borax Man wrote:
On 2024-07-10, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-07-10, candycanearter07 wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 09:31 this Wednesday (GMT): >>>>> On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:[...]
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 10:25 this Monday (GMT): >>>>>>> On 2024-07-07, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT): >>>>>>>>>
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other >>>>>>>>> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital >>>>>>>>> part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe >>>>>>>>> others wouldn't?
[...]I'm sure I'm forgetting some here, but
[...]xscreensaver (yes i use it as my locker)
I always have both XScreenSaver and XLockmore.
Do they work together?
Not really! I generally just use xlock when I want to lock my screen. >>>>> XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they think >>>>> its hilarious!
Oh, IG I'll stick to XSS then. Do you run them directly from
/usr/lib/xscreensaver? (or libexec)
To lock a system running X11, there's also vlock -n -a (At least in the
standalone utility I have in this distro, I think some other package now >>> also provides a vlock with less features? Or am I misremembering?)
But with vlock you don't get the fun and interesting part of watching
screensavers.
vlock on my system only locks the terminal. Useful for a text based
terminal, not for X11.
"vlock -a" locks the "entire console display", -n creates a different
virtual console for vlock to be in while doing this from X11. I think -n wasn't always necessary in the past, but at least the manual page
suggests it is needed now. (Either I'm misremembering or something
inside earlier versions used to do the -n part automatically?)
On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:00:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
I prefer a GUI for email specifically, bc of all the html emails that
break in something like mutt
I see lack of HTML rendering for email to be a feature, not a bug.
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 11:54 this Friday (GMT):
On 2024-07-10, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 09:31 this Wednesday (GMT):
On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 10:25 this Monday (GMT):
On 2024-07-07, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT): >>>>>>>>
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other >>>>>>>> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital >>>>>>>> part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that >>>>>>>> you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe >>>>>>>> others wouldn't?
For me, its
- fortune
- cowsay
- xpenguins
- fvwm(3)
- oneko
- emacs
- mc
- zsh
- asclock (using the FreeAMP theme)
- PCManFM
- star
- urxvt
- xpat2
- xlock
- links
- most
- lftp
- lzip
- xclip
- screen
- lrzsz
- gcc/g++/gdc
- nasm
- locate
- dar
I'm sure I'm forgetting some here, but
git obviously
krita
aseprite
screen
rxvt-unicode
cool-retro-term
audacious
mpv (and the ffmpeg dependency)
imagemagick
picom
vim
n30f
xscreensaver (yes i use it as my locker)
screen
less
rofi
bucklespring (optional)
mc (optional)
aptitude (if on debian based)
sidenote thank you for mentioning xpenguins i have been looking for a >>>>>>> replacement for AMOR (amazing misuse of resources) forever since it wont
compile for me under debian
I always have both XScreenSaver and XLockmore.
Do they work together?
Not really! I generally just use xlock when I want to lock my screen. >>>> XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they think >>>> its hilarious!
Oh, IG I'll stick to XSS then. Do you run them directly from
/usr/lib/xscreensaver? (or libexec)
Its built into the menu for FVWM. My FVWM config, which is based on an
old template that came with FVWM or FVWM95 has a menu for ScreenSavers
which lists the xlock ones and also for XScreenSaver to start it, or
start the demo. Thats perhaps why I use them, because in the very early
days when I started using Linux, I found them in the menu entry here.
Oh, interesting. XFCE doesn't have those, but the binaries are stored in /usr/lib(exec)/xscreensaver so its easy to run from there.
aerc - for email
I prefer a GUI for email specifically, bc of all the html emails that
break in something like mutt
gopass - for passwords
I could never figure out how to get gopass to sync with my phone in a reasonable way.
I just prefer default vim
Doesn’t Windows still tie the shell and the terminal emulator GUI
together, so you can’t have one without the other?
On 2024-07-12, Ben Collver wrote:
On 2024-07-07, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
Some of these are too retro to be mainstream:
lshw - Linux equivalent to HP-UX ioscan
7-zip - extracts .7z files
I stand by my choice of BSD tar for this! :-P
(Now seriously, the main benefit is that, being tar, it uses the tar
syntax for options and commands. Hopefully 7-zip is not like RAR where
some archive types aren't supported by at least some FLOSS libraries and utilities?)
units - convert between different units
I embarassingly admit I often use this to convert between tempC and
tempF. I ought to have memorized the conversion already :-P
xclip - CLI access to copy/paste buffer
xclip can not only access the selections, it can also request different targets and list the targets (xclip -o -target TARGETS) available.
For example, when copying from a web page on a mozilla-codebase browser,
it's possible to get the page URL using xclip, without having to copy it separately.
On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:00:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 04:12 this Thursday (GMT):
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 21:58:58 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
As I used to say back in the mainframe days:
Everybody uses COBOL because everybody uses COBOL.
FORTRAN. COBOL was for brain dead business people who loved to type...
Then everyone used BASIC for a while.
Not really. I used FORTH, C, and assembler. I did do one project involving BASIC but it was an attempt to speed up the BASIC the application people
used by preparsing it to a sort of IL for a runtime but I was working in
Z-80 assembler.
The only time I did much with BASIC was a follow on to the original
project. An AT used a number of satellite XTs to control the environmental chambers. My contract was to develop the AT end in C. Someone else did the XTs in BASIC. I eventually went back for 6 months to clean up and enhance
the XT code.It wasn't bad enough to do a complete rewrite.
I did do a patch on a legacy BASIC program about 20 years ago after
swearing everyone to secrecy. That was in the same category as when I
fixed the TV of a woman I was interested in and made her swear I didn't
know anything about TVs other than how to plug them in. She wanted to play Pong and who was I to say no?
On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:00:10 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 22:21 this Wednesday
(GMT):
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Wait, subtitles were saved as bitmap images?
In DVD-Video, they were called “subpictures”, and had 2 bits per pixel. >>> That meant a choice of four different colour-table entries.
Interesting, so that's why some subtitles looked different.
It meant they didn’t have to worry about fonts or different writing systems. All the subtitle text was prerendered at authoring time.
On 2024-07-14, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:00:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
I prefer a GUI for email specifically, bc of all the html emails that
break in something like mutt
I see lack of HTML rendering for email to be a feature, not a bug.
You can hook 'w3m' to display HTML emails in mutt. Isn't as good as
viewing it in a graphical client, but works well enough to render the
text OK without all yht HTML markup.
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 19:05 this Saturday (GMT):
On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:00:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 04:12 this Thursday (GMT):
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 21:58:58 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:Then everyone used BASIC for a while.
As I used to say back in the mainframe days:
Everybody uses COBOL because everybody uses COBOL.
FORTRAN. COBOL was for brain dead business people who loved to type... >>>
Not really. I used FORTH, C, and assembler. I did do one project involving >> BASIC but it was an attempt to speed up the BASIC the application people
used by preparsing it to a sort of IL for a runtime but I was working in
Z-80 assembler.
The only time I did much with BASIC was a follow on to the original
project. An AT used a number of satellite XTs to control the environmental >> chambers. My contract was to develop the AT end in C. Someone else did the >> XTs in BASIC. I eventually went back for 6 months to clean up and enhance
the XT code.It wasn't bad enough to do a complete rewrite.
I did do a patch on a legacy BASIC program about 20 years ago after
swearing everyone to secrecy. That was in the same category as when I
fixed the TV of a woman I was interested in and made her swear I didn't
know anything about TVs other than how to plug them in. She wanted to play >> Pong and who was I to say no?
Well, from what I've read and stuff, BASIC was on a lot of different computers.
Well, from what I've read and stuff, BASIC was on a lot of different computers.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
Doesn’t Windows still tie the shell and the terminal emulator GUI
together, so you can’t have one without the other?
I guess not with the new Windows Terminal.
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote at 17:21 this Saturday
(GMT):
For example, when copying from a web page on a mozilla-codebase
browser,
it's possible to get the page URL using xclip, without having to copy
it separately.
It is really nice, especially if you're like me and copy images
directly.
Well, from what I've read and stuff, BASIC was on a lot of different computers.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 16:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Well, from what I've read and stuff, BASIC was on a lot of different
computers.
There were a number of slightly different languages, all calling
themselves “BASIC” ...
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 07:16 this Sunday (GMT):
On 2024-07-13, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 11:54 this Friday (GMT):
On 2024-07-10, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 09:31 this Wednesday (GMT): >>>>>> On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 10:25 this Monday (GMT): >>>>>>>> On 2024-07-07, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT): >>>>>>>>>>
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other >>>>>>>>>> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe >>>>>>>>>> others wouldn't?
For me, its
- fortune
- cowsay
- xpenguins
- fvwm(3)
- oneko
- emacs
- mc
- zsh
- asclock (using the FreeAMP theme)
- PCManFM
- star
- urxvt
- xpat2
- xlock
- links
- most
- lftp
- lzip
- xclip
- screen
- lrzsz
- gcc/g++/gdc
- nasm
- locate
- dar
I'm sure I'm forgetting some here, but
git obviously
krita
aseprite
screen
rxvt-unicode
cool-retro-term
audacious
mpv (and the ffmpeg dependency)
imagemagick
picom
vim
n30f
xscreensaver (yes i use it as my locker)
screen
less
rofi
bucklespring (optional)
mc (optional)
aptitude (if on debian based)
sidenote thank you for mentioning xpenguins i have been looking for a >>>>>>>>> replacement for AMOR (amazing misuse of resources) forever since it wont
compile for me under debian
I always have both XScreenSaver and XLockmore.
Do they work together?
Not really! I generally just use xlock when I want to lock my screen. >>>>>> XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they think >>>>>> its hilarious!
Oh, IG I'll stick to XSS then. Do you run them directly from
/usr/lib/xscreensaver? (or libexec)
Its built into the menu for FVWM. My FVWM config, which is based on an >>>> old template that came with FVWM or FVWM95 has a menu for ScreenSavers >>>> which lists the xlock ones and also for XScreenSaver to start it, or
start the demo. Thats perhaps why I use them, because in the very early >>>> days when I started using Linux, I found them in the menu entry here.
Oh, interesting. XFCE doesn't have those, but the binaries are stored in >>> /usr/lib(exec)/xscreensaver so its easy to run from there.
FVWM has this thing called "pipe menus", where you can construct a menu
dynamically from the output of a program. I'm sure other window
managers have this, but this means you can call xlock to list all the
screensaver types, then construct a menu which launches the locker from
that.
Neat! I know you can implement that relatively easily with something
like dmenu.
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 07:09 this Sunday (GMT):
On 2024-07-14, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:00:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
I prefer a GUI for email specifically, bc of all the html emails that
break in something like mutt
I see lack of HTML rendering for email to be a feature, not a bug.
You can hook 'w3m' to display HTML emails in mutt. Isn't as good as
viewing it in a graphical client, but works well enough to render the
text OK without all yht HTML markup.
Interesting. I might try mutt again at some point..
On 2024-07-14, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:[snip]
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 07:16 this Sunday (GMT):
FVWM has this thing called "pipe menus", where you can construct a menu
dynamically from the output of a program. I'm sure other window
managers have this, but this means you can call xlock to list all the
screensaver types, then construct a menu which launches the locker from
that.
Neat! I know you can implement that relatively easily with something
like dmenu.
dmenu is prety good in that respect. I did use it for another window
manager where the piperead dynamic menus were not available, to solve
the same problem. The advantage though of FVWM is that the menu is
equal to other menus, operate the same, same fonts, appearance, etc,
whereas with dmenu, its a different look, feel and operation.
That said, dmenu is part of my standard install.
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and otherA whole pile of shit!
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
For me, its
Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
others wouldn't?
gcc, clang, git, valgrind, strace, gdb, VS Code, emacs, make, autoconf, automake, etckeeper, gimp, inkscape, LyX, openssh, openssl,
pwgen, unicode, tcpdump, vlc, monitor, tmux.
On Mon, 08 Jul 2024 23:56:48 +0300, Anssi Saari wrote:
- I usually eventually will need wget and then likely unzip and possibly
some other uncompression tools may follow.
unar seems to work well for decompressing several different archive
formats in one program.
Out of curiosity, what are the advantages of this utility (unar)?
On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 11:45:02 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:
Out of curiosity, what are the advantages of this utility (unar)?
It seems to work well for decompressing several different archive formats
in one program.
is there any other choice for ssh?
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:
is there any other choice for ssh?
dropbear : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropbear_(software)
On Sun, 08 Jun 2025 09:55:10 +0200, phako wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:
is there any other choice for ssh?
dropbear : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropbear_(software)
I have come across one or two situations where the Dropbear client would >connect to an SSH server where OpenSSH (by default) would not. The
difference was that Dropbear was more willing to tolerate old, insecure >encryption algorithms which OpenSSH rejected.
Not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing ...
On 08/06/2025 10:17, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
I have come across one or two situations where the Dropbear client
would connect to an SSH server where OpenSSH (by default) would
not. The difference was that Dropbear was more willing to tolerate
old, insecure encryption algorithms which OpenSSH rejected.
Not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing ...
You can get OpenSSH to accept an older algorithm (either at the command
line or in your ~.ssh/config.
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