On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 03:59:21 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v6d3qp$6ida$1@dont-email.me>:
On 7 Jul 2024 03:25:47 GMT, vallor wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 01:31:41 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v6cr5s$1kfb$1@dont-email.me>:
That’s not running as root now, is it?
Yes, and that's the problem.
Maybe think of GParted as Nature’s way of telling you not to run GUI tools >> as root.
Okay, I'll bite -- how do you modify partition tables without running
as root?
On 7 Jul 2024 03:25:47 GMT, vallor wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 01:31:41 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v6cr5s$1kfb$1@dont-email.me>:
That’s not running as root now, is it?
Yes, and that's the problem.
Maybe think of GParted as Nature’s way of telling you not to run GUI tools as root.
On 7 Jul 2024 04:03:41 GMT, vallor wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 03:59:21 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v6d3qp$6ida$1@dont-email.me>:
On 7 Jul 2024 03:25:47 GMT, vallor wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 01:31:41 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v6cr5s$1kfb$1@dont-email.me>:
That’s not running as root now, is it?
Yes, and that's the problem.
Maybe think of GParted as Nature’s way of telling you not to run GUI
tools as root.
Okay, I'll bite -- how do you modify partition tables without running
as root?
Obviously it’s the “GUI tools” part that’s the problem, not the “root”
part.
So you don't think there should be GUI tools to manage disk
partitions, filesystems, and indeed, anything managed
with uid 0? Really?
Sounds elitist.
The command line tools work just as well.
On 2024-07-07 05:59, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On 7 Jul 2024 03:25:47 GMT, vallor wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 01:31:41 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v6cr5s$1kfb$1@dont-email.me>:
That’s not running as root now, is it?
Yes, and that's the problem.
Maybe think of GParted as Nature’s way of telling you not to run GUI
tools as root.
gparted is a GUI tool intended to be run as root.
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 02:54:52 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2024-07-07 05:59, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On 7 Jul 2024 03:25:47 GMT, vallor wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 01:31:41 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v6cr5s$1kfb$1@dont-email.me>:
That’s not running as root now, is it?
Yes, and that's the problem.
Maybe think of GParted as Nature’s way of telling you not to run GUI
tools as root.
gparted is a GUI tool intended to be run as root.
And we have seen what happens when it is.
Some decades ago there was a devilish little gadget, shaped exactly like a legitimate electrical plug, with a sign on it that said “The Little Wonder Fuse-Blower: Insert In Electrical Socket And PRESS!”.
Funny how many people did exactly that ...
Well, curiosity killing the cat and all.
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 02:54:52 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2024-07-07 05:59, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On 7 Jul 2024 03:25:47 GMT, vallor wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 01:31:41 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v6cr5s$1kfb$1@dont-email.me>:
That’s not running as root now, is it?
Yes, and that's the problem.
Maybe think of GParted as Nature’s way of telling you not to run GUI
tools as root.
gparted is a GUI tool intended to be run as root.
And we have seen what happens when it is.
On 2024-07-09 01:35, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:<snip>
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 02:54:52 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
That it works perfectly, as designed.gparted is a GUI tool intended to be run as root.And we have seen what happens when it is.
On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 02:10:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Well, curiosity killing the cat and all.
Leaving a thumb drive laying on the sidewalk or a parking lot is a good
gag too. Some people just have to see what's on it.
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 03:27 this Tuesday (GMT):
On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 02:10:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Well, curiosity killing the cat and all.
Leaving a thumb drive laying on the sidewalk or a parking lot is a good
gag too. Some people just have to see what's on it.
Have you ever done that?
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 03:27 this Tuesday (GMT):
On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 02:10:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Well, curiosity killing the cat and all.
Leaving a thumb drive laying on the sidewalk or a parking lot is a good
gag too. Some people just have to see what's on it.
Have you ever done that?
Loaded an unknown drive? Nope. I was even skeptical about using a drive
still in the plastic packaging that our company used as a gimme at shows.
It's a popular technique. There was a suspicion that Israel fucked up the air-gapped Iranian centrifuges that way.
On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 06:57:18 -0400, Carlos E. R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-07-09 01:35, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:<snip>
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 02:54:52 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
That it works perfectly, as designed.gparted is a GUI tool intended to be run as root.And we have seen what happens when it is.
It increses the risk of things leaking to other user's on the system, if
not done
properly.
As to running gparted as a regular user ...
$ ls -l /dev/sd?
brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 Jul 8 20:54 /dev/sda
brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16 Jul 8 20:54 /dev/sdb
brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 32 Jul 8 20:54 /dev/sdc
brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 48 Jul 8 20:54 /dev/sdd
brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 64 Jul 8 20:54 /dev/sde
brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 80 Jul 8 20:54 /dev/sdf
I think member's of the disk group can do it as a regular user, but I
have not
tested it to see if there are other issues.
On 2024-07-10 20:57, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 03:27 this Tuesday (GMT):
On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 02:10:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Well, curiosity killing the cat and all.
Leaving a thumb drive laying on the sidewalk or a parking lot is a good >>>> gag too. Some people just have to see what's on it.
Have you ever done that?
Loaded an unknown drive? Nope. I was even skeptical about using a drive
still in the plastic packaging that our company used as a gimme at shows.
It's a popular technique. There was a suspicion that Israel fucked up the
air-gapped Iranian centrifuges that way.
In some cities you can find usb sticks inserted in the mortar of a wall.
Kind of similar to books hidden in a tree hole.
I once found a stick in a rental flat. I did loo inside, to phone the
people who had just left the flat if it was important. Turned out it was simply a damaged stick, worked for a while.
In some cities you can find usb sticks inserted in the mortar of a
wall.
Kind of similar to books hidden in a tree hole.
I once found a stick in a rental flat. I did loo inside, to phone the
people who had just left the flat if it was important. Turned out it
was simply a damaged stick, worked for a while.
I've never seen one of those in person but I have seen a couple pictures
of those online.
On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
In some cities you can find usb sticks inserted in the mortar of a
wall.
Kind of similar to books hidden in a tree hole.
I once found a stick in a rental flat. I did loo inside, to phone the
people who had just left the flat if it was important. Turned out it
was simply a damaged stick, worked for a while.
I've never seen one of those in person but I have seen a couple pictures
of those online.
A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?
A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?
On 13 Jul 2024 18:36:51 GMT, rbowman wrote:
A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?
Sony has, or had, a trademark on the term “Memory Stick”. Which kind of discouraged its use for USB sticks in general.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:39:24 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On 13 Jul 2024 18:36:51 GMT, rbowman wrote:
A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?
Sony has, or had, a trademark on the term “Memory Stick”. Which kind of >> discouraged its use for USB sticks in general.
Yeah, well, Xerox, Kleenex, and Band-Aid are trademarked too afaik.
On 14 Jul 2024 04:28:16 GMT, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:39:24 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On 13 Jul 2024 18:36:51 GMT, rbowman wrote:
A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?
Sony has, or had, a trademark on the term “Memory Stick”. Which kind >>> of discouraged its use for USB sticks in general.
Yeah, well, Xerox, Kleenex, and Band-Aid are trademarked too afaik.
I think most of those are gone.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:39:24 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:No, for a box of sticking-plasters
On 13 Jul 2024 18:36:51 GMT, rbowman wrote:
A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?
Sony has, or had, a trademark on the term “Memory Stick”. Which kind of >> discouraged its use for USB sticks in general.
Yeah, well, Xerox, Kleenex, and Band-Aid are trademarked too afaik.
Johnson & Johnson can defend the trademark all they want but are you going
to Walgreens for a box of adhesive bandages?
On 14 Jul 2024 04:28:16 GMT, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:39:24 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On 13 Jul 2024 18:36:51 GMT, rbowman wrote:
A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?
Sony has, or had, a trademark on the term “Memory Stick”. Which kind of >>> discouraged its use for USB sticks in general.
Yeah, well, Xerox, Kleenex, and Band-Aid are trademarked too afaik.
I think most of those are gone.
On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
In some cities you can find usb sticks inserted in the mortar of a
wall.
Kind of similar to books hidden in a tree hole.
I once found a stick in a rental flat. I did loo inside, to phone the
people who had just left the flat if it was important. Turned out it
was simply a damaged stick, worked for a while.
I've never seen one of those in person but I have seen a couple pictures
of those online.
A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?
Do you ever google something using DuckDuckGo?
Yeah, isn't there a legal thing where like if a name becomes part of
common vocabulary, then you lose the trademark? I remember a long time
ago reading that Photoshop was trying to get people to say they
"digitally enhanced this image with Adobe PhotoshopTM" instead of saying
"i photoshopped it" like a normal person.
On 2024-07-14, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Do you ever google something using DuckDuckGo?
Nope. I'm trying to live as Google-free as possible -
why should I give them free advertising?
On 2024-07-14, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Do you ever google something using DuckDuckGo?
Nope. I'm trying to live as Google-free as possible -
why should I give them free advertising?
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 16:20:07 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Yeah, isn't there a legal thing where like if a name becomes part of
common vocabulary, then you lose the trademark?
Very seldom happens if you keep defending the trademark.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 16:46:01 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2024-07-14, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Do you ever google something using DuckDuckGo?
Nope. I'm trying to live as Google-free as possible -
why should I give them free advertising?
Well, that went right over your head...
I too resist Google, the great big advertising
agency and always search with DDG. It is a choice on Firefox. SeaMonkey
and Mercury browsers.
On 14 Jul 2024 20:22:42 GMT, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 16:20:07 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Yeah, isn't there a legal thing where like if a name becomes part of
common vocabulary, then you lose the trademark?
Very seldom happens if you keep defending the trademark.
You have to keep insisting that people stop using the trademark as a
generic term. Sometimes it’s an unwinnable campaign.
On 7/14/24 09:46, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2024-07-14, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Do you ever google something using DuckDuckGo?
Nope. I'm trying to live as Google-free as possible -
why should I give them free advertising?
Charlie here 'google' is being used as slang
or argot for 'search'. When you search on DuckDuckGo
you are not using Google.
I too resist Google, the great big advertising
agency and always search with DDG. It is a choice on
Firefox. SeaMonkey and Mercury browsers.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 01:21 this Monday (GMT):
On 14 Jul 2024 20:22:42 GMT, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 16:20:07 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Yeah, isn't there a legal thing where like if a name becomes part of
common vocabulary, then you lose the trademark?
Very seldom happens if you keep defending the trademark.
You have to keep insisting that people stop using the trademark as a
generic term. Sometimes it’s an unwinnable campaign.
I'm pretty sure Google and Photoshop are close to generic terms at this point.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 16:30:25 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
I too resist Google, the great big advertising
agency and always search with DDG. It is a choice on Firefox. SeaMonkey
and Mercury browsers.
I use Brave and generally go with the Brave search.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_Search
I do use DDG if I have Firefox open but have noticed DDG tends to be a wrapper on Bing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13451223/Microsoft-outage- Bing-DuckDuckGo-ChatGPT-thousands-users.html
DDG does have other sources it indexes.
On 7/15/24 1:19 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 16:30:25 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
I too resist Google, the great big advertising
agency and always search with DDG. It is a choice on Firefox. SeaMonkey >>> and Mercury browsers.
I use Brave and generally go with the Brave search.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_Search
I do use DDG if I have Firefox open but have noticed DDG tends to be a
wrapper on Bing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13451223/Microsoft-outage- >> Bing-DuckDuckGo-ChatGPT-thousands-users.html
DDG does have other sources it indexes.
While it would be great to completely avoid
Goog and M$, this just isn't practical. Those
engines are now so HUGE and quick that even
DDG is going to use them by proxy. The only
good bit is that DDG disguises YOUR identity
so Goog cannot easily monitor/target your stuff.
Future worry - Goog and M$ don't necessarily HAVE
to let DDG and related use them for searches. One
greedy itch and it's Goog or NOTHING worth a damn.
It is very difficult to create even a tiny spot
in the world where money doesn't rule - Ok, maybe
China, but there the STATE rules and spies on your
every keystroke with bad intent ........
Aww ... I see AltaVista now takes you to Yahoo :-(
Perhaps, in the end, we'll revert to the classic, eternal beauty of
dmoz.org? It no longer works but it was one of those directories curated
by humans.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024, 26yh.0712 wrote:
On 7/15/24 1:19 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 16:30:25 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
I too resist Google, the great big advertising
agency and always search with DDG. It is a choice on Firefox.
SeaMonkey
and Mercury browsers.
I use Brave and generally go with the Brave search.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_Search
I do use DDG if I have Firefox open but have noticed DDG tends to be a
wrapper on Bing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13451223/Microsoft-outage- >>>
Bing-DuckDuckGo-ChatGPT-thousands-users.html
DDG does have other sources it indexes.
While it would be great to completely avoid
Goog and M$, this just isn't practical. Those
engines are now so HUGE and quick that even
DDG is going to use them by proxy. The only
good bit is that DDG disguises YOUR identity
so Goog cannot easily monitor/target your stuff.
Future worry - Goog and M$ don't necessarily HAVE
to let DDG and related use them for searches. One
greedy itch and it's Goog or NOTHING worth a damn.
It is very difficult to create even a tiny spot
in the world where money doesn't rule - Ok, maybe
China, but there the STATE rules and spies on your
every keystroke with bad intent ........
Aww ... I see AltaVista now takes you to Yahoo :-(
I think there would be some kind of antitrust procedure if one or two of
them started to cut off third party search engines.
Perhaps, in the end, we'll revert to the classic, eternal beauty of
dmoz.org? It no longer works but it was one of those directories curated
by humans.
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