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  • Re: MS Access

    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to John Dallman on Tue Aug 13 22:53:39 2024
    On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 23:21 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote:

    In article <v9gk4h$30as$2@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro) wrote:

    Mount points only work on NTFS volumes, though. So you cannot use them
    to mix and match other filesystem types, the way you can on Linux.

    There is a shortage of other filesystem types in practical usage on
    Windows.

    Whatever happened to ReFS? Seems like Microsoft has given up on creating a next-generation filesystem for Windows ...

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  • From John Dallman@21:1/5 to D'Oliveiro on Tue Aug 13 23:21:00 2024
    In article <v9gk4h$30as$2@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence
    D'Oliveiro) wrote:

    Mount points only work on NTFS volumes, though. So you cannot use
    them to mix and match other filesystem types, the way you can on
    Linux.

    There is a shortage of other filesystem types in practical usage on
    Windows. FAT and exFAT get used for (micro-)sd cards and USB sticks, but
    nobody with any sense at all uses them on hard disks or SSDs.

    John

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to John Dallman on Wed Aug 14 10:09:28 2024
    On 13/08/2024 23:21, John Dallman wrote:
    In article <v9gk4h$30as$2@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro) wrote:

    Mount points only work on NTFS volumes, though. So you cannot use
    them to mix and match other filesystem types, the way you can on
    Linux.

    There is a shortage of other filesystem types in practical usage on
    Windows. FAT and exFAT get used for (micro-)sd cards and USB sticks, but nobody with any sense at all uses them on hard disks or SSDs.

    John
    <technical nitpick> Sometimes (Raspberry Pi) that's all the hardware
    will boot off...

    --
    How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

    Adolf Hitler

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  • From John Dallman@21:1/5 to D'Oliveiro on Wed Aug 14 09:19:00 2024
    In article <v9go5j$3q64$1@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence
    D'Oliveiro) wrote:
    On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 23:21 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote:
    There is a shortage of other filesystem types in practical usage
    on Windows.
    Whatever happened to ReFS? Seems like Microsoft has given up on
    creating a next-generation filesystem for Windows ...

    Looks like ReFS is still in development, but people aren't deploying it
    much. My employer uses NetApp filers in preference to Windows fileservers, since they have very good RAID and operate well with both Windows and
    Linux. They work well with other Unix-like systems, too, but very few
    parts of the company use macOS, or any other Unix-ish OS.

    NTFS, like ext3 and ext4, is showing its age by some standards, but still
    works well. The drive letters problem on Windows is readily solved by Microsoft's Distributed File System, which seems weird at first, but
    works OK.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_File_System_(Microsoft)>

    John

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to John Dallman on Wed Aug 14 08:47:30 2024
    On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 09:19 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote:

    NTFS, like ext3 and ext4, is showing its age by some standards, but
    still works well.

    Either one of those offers better performance than NTFS, though.

    The drive letters problem on Windows is readily solved
    by Microsoft's Distributed File System, which seems weird at first, but
    works OK.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_File_System_(Microsoft)>

    Interesting. So to run it you need Windows Server (expensive), or Samba
    (free).

    The irony of needing a *nix system of some kind to get around a Windows limitation is ... amusing.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Fri Aug 16 02:20:20 2024
    On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 10:09:28 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 13/08/2024 23:21, John Dallman wrote:

    In article <v9gk4h$30as$2@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence
    D'Oliveiro) wrote:

    Mount points only work on NTFS volumes, though. So you cannot use them
    to mix and match other filesystem types, the way you can on Linux.

    There is a shortage of other filesystem types in practical usage on
    Windows. FAT and exFAT get used for (micro-)sd cards and USB sticks,
    but nobody with any sense at all uses them on hard disks or SSDs.

    <technical nitpick> Sometimes (Raspberry Pi) that's all the hardware
    will boot off...

    The Raspberry Pi runs Linux. That should be able to boot off any kind of filesystem that Linux supports.

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  • From Nuno Silva@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Aug 16 09:11:02 2024
    On 2024-08-16, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 10:09:28 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 13/08/2024 23:21, John Dallman wrote:

    In article <v9gk4h$30as$2@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence
    D'Oliveiro) wrote:

    Mount points only work on NTFS volumes, though. So you cannot use them >>>> to mix and match other filesystem types, the way you can on Linux.

    There is a shortage of other filesystem types in practical usage on
    Windows. FAT and exFAT get used for (micro-)sd cards and USB sticks,
    but nobody with any sense at all uses them on hard disks or SSDs.

    <technical nitpick> Sometimes (Raspberry Pi) that's all the hardware
    will boot off...

    The Raspberry Pi runs Linux. That should be able to boot off any kind of filesystem that Linux supports.

    Maybe things are different in UEFI platforms, but, at least from what
    I've seen through the years, Linux is able to get a system operational
    using filesystems that Linux supports.

    Loading and booting Linux itself is an entirely different matter,
    something has to read, load and execute the binary. It's entirely
    possible that the hardware - or its firmware - can only do this if the
    Linux binary is in FAT or exFAT.

    --
    Nuno Silva

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Nuno Silva on Fri Aug 16 09:21:06 2024
    On 16/08/2024 09:11, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2024-08-16, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 10:09:28 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 13/08/2024 23:21, John Dallman wrote:

    In article <v9gk4h$30as$2@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence
    D'Oliveiro) wrote:

    Mount points only work on NTFS volumes, though. So you cannot use them >>>>> to mix and match other filesystem types, the way you can on Linux.

    There is a shortage of other filesystem types in practical usage on
    Windows. FAT and exFAT get used for (micro-)sd cards and USB sticks,
    but nobody with any sense at all uses them on hard disks or SSDs.

    <technical nitpick> Sometimes (Raspberry Pi) that's all the hardware
    will boot off...

    The Raspberry Pi runs Linux. That should be able to boot off any kind of
    filesystem that Linux supports.

    Maybe things are different in UEFI platforms, but, at least from what
    I've seen through the years, Linux is able to get a system operational
    using filesystems that Linux supports.

    Loading and booting Linux itself is an entirely different matter,
    something has to read, load and execute the binary. It's entirely
    possible that the hardware - or its firmware - can only do this if the
    Linux binary is in FAT or exFAT.


    Which is the case for a Pi. The GPU chipset that does the booting can
    only understand (V?)FAT to load and run a [Linux image and its basic configuration files]...
    So you end up with a small FAT partition that is *only* used to boot,
    and a larger EXT4 partition for everything else, typically. If booting
    linux, anyway.

    more /etc/fstab

    PARTUUID=778a9e44-01 /boot/firmware vfat defaults 0 2 PARTUUID=778a9e44-02 / ext4 defaults,noatime
    0 1


    --
    Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead
    to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

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