I'm glad you hung back on how you really feel about his situation. Just kidding, a very good read.
I haven't used anything Ubuntu in quite a while. First Canonical wanted to dictate everything about my install. It got old quickly, install *tu,
remove all snap, and flatpak, and hope everything is still functional and secure.
I'm not a security wizard though everything appeared to work, that doesn't really mean it does.
In short I second your thoughts! You were just more polite about it...lol
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
clinker wrote:
Not to derail this thread, which is a good one, but it is possible an
operating system will be developed that threaten both Linux and Windows
existence as it is known today.
most things are *possible*
OS2 had a good run for example. It is still alive and well in some
proprietary industrial equipment because it is impervious to hacks as no >>> one remembers it.
We also had Amigas and Atari ST's, before it become impractical to
compete with the Wintel juggernaut on the desktop.
If Micro$oft could push all of those (at least somewhat) established platforms out of the market, what chance does a newcomer have?
But the thing is, again from my perspective, as a user, not a developer
of operating systems, is that what you want - and IBM, Red Hat etc
understand this - is a reliable secure bug free platform on which to
write applications that is easily ported to whatever hardware is available. >>
And in that context 30 years of development beats a new kid on the block
every day.
It's almost impossible to come from behind, in these markets.
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
If Linux had existed we would never have had DOS
Linux on an 8088 and 64k of RAM? 8)
I guess the 68000 was also an option...
Linux is good but still Thunderbird cannot do the
tricks that Yet Another Mailer did nor the Usenet access programs.
On 2024-09-20, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
clinker wrote:
OS2 had a good run for example. It is still alive and well in some
proprietary industrial equipment because it is impervious to hacks as no >>>> one remembers it.
We also had Amigas and Atari ST's, before it become impractical to
compete with the Wintel juggernaut on the desktop.
If Micro$oft could push all of those (at least somewhat) established
platforms out of the market, what chance does a newcomer have?
The Amiga would have fared much better if Commodore's board wasn't
so busy running the company into the ground while siphoning off
bigger salaries than IBM's bigwigs were getting.
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 18:40:49 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
The Amiga would have fared much better if Commodore's board wasn't
so busy running the company into the ground while siphoning off
bigger salaries than IBM's bigwigs were getting.
Who gives a flying fuck about 50-year-old computing. That shit
is long dead and buried so why the need to resurrect the stench?
The future, and present, is GNU/Linux/FOSS/FreeBSD.
Keep your comments progressive and keep your nostalgia up
your fucking ass where it belongs.
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 18:40:49 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
The Amiga would have fared much better if Commodore's board wasn't so
busy running the company into the ground while siphoning off bigger
salaries than IBM's bigwigs were getting.
The Amiga made a giant leap in hardware capability, then stood still as competitors surpassed it. For example, the Apple Mac was able to improve
its hardware with minimal breakage in app compatibility, because of its
good software abstractions. Whereas Amiga apps had to work directly with
the hardware, so that hardware could not be improved without breaking
those apps.
On 9/20/24 11:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2024-09-20, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
clinker wrote:
OS2 had a good run for example. It is still alive and well in some
proprietary industrial equipment because it is impervious to hacks
as no
one remembers it.
We also had Amigas and Atari ST's, before it become impractical to
compete with the Wintel juggernaut on the desktop.
If Micro$oft could push all of those (at least somewhat) established
platforms out of the market, what chance does a newcomer have?
The Amiga would have fared much better if Commodore's board wasn't
so busy running the company into the ground while siphoning off
bigger salaries than IBM's bigwigs were getting.
Very, very true. The owner of the massive debt demanded
thet the company be liquidated so he could recover as much as
possbile from cut rate sales of the silliest models..
bliss
Ah, just another self-proclaimed, stuck-up moderator.
I would love to see Hurd revitalized and to assume the role of
the GNU kernel, replacing Linux.
Getting the Hurd to catch up to what the Linux kernel can do now, but
doing it better, would be an immense task.
The AmigaOS ran on the hardware and lots of gamers and
demo-coders would exploit the hardware ignoring the OS. The OS had
everything but memory management.
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 18:15:59 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
The AmigaOS ran on the hardware and lots of gamers and
demo-coders would exploit the hardware ignoring the OS. The OS had
everything but memory management.
It didn’t have a very good graphics abstraction layer. In short, it wasn’t
a very good OS, which is why the apps ignored it.
On 9/21/24 18:15, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 18:15:59 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
The AmigaOS ran on the hardware and lots of gamers and demo-coders
would exploit the hardware ignoring the OS. The OS had everything but
memory management.
It didn’t have a very good graphics abstraction layer. In short, it
wasn’t a very good OS, which is why the apps ignored it.
The applications I used used the OS or I did not buy them.
... mostly the higher end were used as places to
run the Video Toaster hardward on.
In article <pan$9c21$def65fdf$ff0cb13f$76105de1@gnu.rocks>, lt@gnu.rocks (Lester Thorpe) wrote:
I would love to see Hurd revitalized and to assume the role of
the GNU kernel, replacing Linux.
That seems hard to achieve now. If a BSD kernel had been adopted
originally, Linux might well never have become popular. Getting the Hurd
to catch up to what the Linux kernel can do now, but doing it better,
would be an immense task.
Relatively few people and organisations want to replace chunks of their operating systems, and hence the attractiveness of a system design which makes that easy is quite limited.
John
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