On 27/09/2024 13:26, Nux Vomica wrote:
On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 17:36:29 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
Having personally experienced failures of both cd-r and dvd-r media
wherein the recorded media became unreadable in a very short timeframe
(only a few years) even with proper storage it is not at all irrational
to be skeptical of claims of significant lifetimes for optical media
(esp. the user recordable type, pressed disks are a different matter).
Existing user recordable optical systems have, so far, had a poor track
record, so any new system has a higher bar to get over before it is
trusted for any long-term archive use.
My experience is far different from yours.
I have optical disks that I made in 2008 that are still quite
viable, and an associate of mine burned disks back in the 1990's
that are still readable with no errors. (Both cases using GNU/Linux)
Possibly you had selected the inexpensive, "bargain basement"
brands of cd-r/dvd-r which may have much shorter lives.
Also, are you sure that the "r" designation is not actually "rw"
for re-writable disks? The re-writable variety are known to to
degrade much more rapidly.
I always purchased Taiyo Yuden DVD's which have an excellent
reputation for longevity, but since DVDs have a small capacity
I now only use M-Disc bdr.
I am not a professional archivist but I know that libraries
and other institutions choose optical storage as a primary archival
medium.
Of course, one must always be mindful of future technology.
The strategy is to always copy important data to improved
formats but, so far, with optical media, this is not necessary
yet.
+1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.
In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
+1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.
Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(
On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
+1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.
Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(
Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc.
DVDs are nothing compared to that.
Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
+1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.
Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(
Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc.
DVDs are nothing compared to that.
Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha.
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT):
Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
+1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.
Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(
Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc.
DVDs are nothing compared to that.
Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha.
Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird.
...
What DOES last ... baked clay tablets. Still
readable after 8000 years. You can read all
about the hero Gilgamesh, note the accounting
of taxes on wheat in Uruk :-)
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT):
Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
+1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.
Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(
Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc.
DVDs are nothing compared to that.
Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha.
Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird.
Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT):
Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
+1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.
Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(
Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc.
DVDs are nothing compared to that.
Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha.
Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird.
Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P
In comp.os.linux.misc Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> wrote:
It seems that a lot of users are, irrationally, opposed to the
use of optical media for long-term archival storage.
Having personally experienced failures of both cd-r and dvd-r media
wherein the recorded media became unreadable in a very short timeframe
(only a few years) even with proper storage it is not at all irrational
to be skeptical of claims of significant lifetimes for optical media
(esp. the user recordable type, pressed disks are a different matter). >Existing user recordable optical systems have, so far, had a poor track >record, so any new system has a higher bar to get over before it is
trusted for any long-term archive use.
On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 17:36:29 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid>
wrote:
In comp.os.linux.misc Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> wrote:
It seems that a lot of users are, irrationally, opposed to the
use of optical media for long-term archival storage.
Having personally experienced failures of both cd-r and dvd-r media
wherein the recorded media became unreadable in a very short timeframe
(only a few years) even with proper storage it is not at all irrational
to be skeptical of claims of significant lifetimes for optical media
(esp. the user recordable type, pressed disks are a different matter).
Existing user recordable optical systems have, so far, had a poor track
record, so any new system has a higher bar to get over before it is
trusted for any long-term archive use.
I back up to DVD. Some of my backups (CDs) are 30 years old,
and > 99% work perfectly. Since optical media is dirt cheap, I do
duplicate backups, and if one gives a read error, I include its better
half in my next backup.
I use USB pendrives for very short term storage, and rotate.
They tend to go bad.
As to storing sensitive data on someone else's computer, LOL,
why not give them all your passwords and company secrets too?
[]'s
On 27-09-2024 20:39, Shadow wrote:
As to storing sensitive data on someone else's computer, LOL,
why not give them all your passwords and company secrets too?
I completely agree. In at least 25 years I never lost a byte. Mind
you, I make duplicates of really important data.
On 30/09/2024 22:35, Ant wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT):
Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
+1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.
Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(
Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc. >>>> DVDs are nothing compared to that.
That is burning 55GB to a 100GB-capable BD-R/M-disc, using USB-3 to an external Pioneer M-Disc compatible BD-R drive.
Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha.
Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird.
Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P
From what media to what media?
Using what data path?
They were supposed to be The Future :-)
Now nothing even comes with a parallel port.
Does anybody sell a USB->DB25 Parallel ?
I put all by ZipDisks on CD-R, and have a directory on my current
computer with them on it as well.
I have another computer that still runs, but the monitor died, and i
was unable to replace it. It had an SCSI connection, which was
supposed to be the future. Has anyone seen anything with a SCSI port recently?
Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
On 30/09/2024 22:35, Ant wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >> >> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT):
Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
+1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.
Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(
Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc.
DVDs are nothing compared to that.
That is burning 55GB to a 100GB-capable BD-R/M-disc, using USB-3 to an
external Pioneer M-Disc compatible BD-R drive.
Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha.
Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird.
Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P
From what media to what media?
Using what data path?
Internal SATA 7200 RPM 2 GB HDD to external 2.5" 5 TB USB3 HDDs.
That is burning 55GB to a 100GB-capable BD-R/M-disc, using USB-3 to anYeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc. >>> >>>> DVDs are nothing compared to that.
external Pioneer M-Disc compatible BD-R drive.
Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird.
Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P
From what media to what media?
Using what data path?
Internal SATA 7200 RPM 2 GB HDD to external 2.5" 5 TB USB3 HDDs.
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