(I could write an essay on how slackass GIMP's UI design is
I shall treat this golden wisdom with the reverence it deserves. Thank
you, O great sage, for blessing me with the insights of your mighty
brain.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
*Master* of rhetoric.
I would have liked to try out your distribution before I settled for
Fedora. Your approach is pretty neat.
On Mon, 30 Dec 2024, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2024-12-30 06:53, D wrote:
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2024-12-29 06:29, D wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In comp.os.linux.misc chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Farley Flud wrote:
The Photoshop lackeys are always the instigators. They seem >>>>>>>>>> greatlyAnd, golly gee, the free product isn't as good as the expensive >>>>>>>>> product. What a "tragedy".
distressed by the fact that some folks do not worship their idol. >>>>>>>>>
LibreOffice beats the crap out of anything M$ offers
these days.
I wouldn't know. Both are more than sufficient for my lightweight >>>>>>> use. Obviously I choose to use the cheaper one.
I consider both way too bloated, complicated, and slow so choose
other simpler programs like Ted for word processing. In the same
way I haven't touched PhotoShop or GIMP in a very long time since
mtPaint does everything I want. The fact that neither has very
active development is a plus more than anything - when I do want
to try something more unusual it still works the same as it did
years ago when I tried it last, whereas commercial software or its >>>>>> open-source copies will have changed everything just for the sake
of keeping busy and looking new.
Another option to libreoffice, for the ones who do not like it is
Abiword. Tried it briefly, it worked, but libreoffice always was
more than enough for my needs, so I've stayed with it for business
use for a decade or two.
If you're never sharing documents with others and only need to
write, AbiWord would definitely be my go-to. I love that little
program.
Ahh... so it doesn't save in easily exportable file formats?
I just checked and noticed that it saves in PDF, ODT and DOCX in
addition to its own format. However, when I opened a few ODT documents
to see how it would handle them, I notice that it failed with the one
which included a simple table. I notice that it can produce its own,
but I can't fathom why it didn't display it properly here.
Odt and docx are not trivial file formats. You must remember that
Microsoft has tried its best to make docx impenetrable to outsiders. Odt
I think also has suffered from trying to be compatible with Ms
excrement. As a small project I am not surprised that it might have a
few bugs here and there when opening those formats.
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
HP EliteDesk 800 G2 SFF Quad Core i5-6500 is what it says it is
Ha! I recently bought two of these for work. Only $150 each with 16G
RAM and an SSD and legal Win10 Pro. Really a steal, if you don't need
the Win11 HW requirements.
Its about 5 years old now. There are tons of this class of machine going
for peanuts everywhere. They were sold to small businesses as office
machines. In fact its the cheapest way to buy that processor!
[chrisv butthurt snipped]
What I like about both GIMP and Krita is that I can install them with
one command and have full access to their features the moment they are installed.
With Photoshop, I imagine that I have to create an account,
put in my credit card information, download the software, enter my
account information to finally be able to use it.
With that said, I ask this question: is anyone else fed up of creating accounts to download software?
Is anyone else fed up of navigating to
specific sites to download those programs and carefully check that
they're not downloading a malware-infested version of the program?
I'm sure that GIMP and Krita lack a few features, but you can use them anonymously all the while not being charged a cent to use either. You
can also acquire them within seconds, depending on the speed of your
Internet connection.
(idiocy snipped)
(snipped, unread)
wiw, the company I worked for at the times didn't find excellence either
and is gone. Come to think of it every company I ever worked for directly
or on contract is gone. Maybe I'm the kiss of death?
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, chrisv wrote:
-hh wrote:
(snipped, unread)
Around your family, you like to pretend that you're a good person,
don't you, -highhorse.
If only they knew what an asshole you are, how eager to attack decent,
reasonable people you are.
If you don't read what you comment on, aren't you afraid that you are
missing important parts of the argument? Also, how can you build
spiritual bridges of love between two human beings that way?
On 1/1/25 1:20 PM, Joel wrote:
Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 11:44:29 -0500, -hh wrote:
[quote]
Unfortunately, the only way that this point actually becomes
"reasonable" is by finally admitting that many/most Linux fanboys are
chronic consummate cheapskates.
[/quote]
You omit that many/most commercial software packages are
EXTORTIONATE in that they capture users via proprietary
formats and subscription accounts. The only difference
between them and the gangsters of old are the machine
guns.
I can pay $100 for a 1/2" power drill and I can expect it
to last 25-50 years or more. (I inherited a power drill
from my grandfather that is almost 70 years old. The
only problem is a loose connection in the power cable
that can be easily fixed.)
That same $100 won't even buy a 1 month subscription
for a desktop software package.
The situation is borderline criminality.
Both software and information want to be free (as in
"freedom" and not "beer"). We are seeing this happen.
Commercial software on the desktop is an endangered species.
I can understand the airline industry paying big bucks
for flight reservation software, or the nuclear power industry
paying big bucks for control software, but a desktop spreadsheet
or word processor is trivial and should cost nothing.
Everything done on the desktop has been standardized decades
ago. There is no need for commercial software in this arena.
Clearly you're just ranting nonsense,
Which is par for the course for Feeb.
For example, good luck finding a 1/2" power drill for sale new today for
just $100 which will last for even 10 years of use, let alone his
"25-50" claim: the days of bulletproof all metal body Craftsman or
Black & Decker power tools are long since gone.
(snipped, unread)
On 2025-01-02, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
On 1/1/25 1:20 PM, Joel wrote:
Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 11:44:29 -0500, -hh wrote:
[quote]
Unfortunately, the only way that this point actually becomes
"reasonable" is by finally admitting that many/most Linux fanboys are >>>>> chronic consummate cheapskates.
[/quote]
You omit that many/most commercial software packages are
EXTORTIONATE in that they capture users via proprietary
formats and subscription accounts. The only difference
between them and the gangsters of old are the machine
guns.
I can pay $100 for a 1/2" power drill and I can expect it
to last 25-50 years or more. (I inherited a power drill
from my grandfather that is almost 70 years old. The
only problem is a loose connection in the power cable
that can be easily fixed.)
That same $100 won't even buy a 1 month subscription
for a desktop software package.
The situation is borderline criminality.
Both software and information want to be free (as in
"freedom" and not "beer"). We are seeing this happen.
Commercial software on the desktop is an endangered species.
I can understand the airline industry paying big bucks
for flight reservation software, or the nuclear power industry
paying big bucks for control software, but a desktop spreadsheet
or word processor is trivial and should cost nothing.
Everything done on the desktop has been standardized decades
ago. There is no need for commercial software in this arena.
Clearly you're just ranting nonsense,
Which is par for the course for Feeb.
For example, good luck finding a 1/2" power drill for sale new today for
just $100 which will last for even 10 years of use, let alone his
"25-50" claim: the days of bulletproof all metal body Craftsman or
Black & Decker power tools are long since gone.
Out of stock but not too much higher in price:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-5-5-Amp-Corded-1-2-in-Variable-Speed-Hole-Shooter-Magnum-Drill-Driver-0234-6/100180020
I invested in one of those (or as close to that model as I can
see from the page) in 1991 or 1992. A spare set of brushes has
yet to be needed. It's strong enough to cause substantial wrist
discomfort if held less tightly enough than some use cases
deserve. The side handle is needed in some cases.
Oh, I did have to replace the power cord once, but it was
relatively inexpensive. It uses an interesting 3-conductor
twist-lock connector.
On 2025-01-03 19:06, D wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2025 20:04, rbowman wrote:
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the >>>> end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
Yes. Absolutely it does.
Civilised behaviour is a culture of tolerance. Woke is a culture of
vicious intolerance towards anyone who challenges a narrow definition of a >>> modern Puritanism.
Civilised behaviour doesn't get you fired. Civilised behaviour doesn't get >>> you blacklisted.
Woke is part of the reason Trump will be president. People don't like
being told what to think. This isn't Putin's Russia.
This is the truth. What we are seeing is a big reaction against the mind
virus. In europe, a big part of the reaction is against immigration and
eco-fascism.
You probably wouldn't have so much immigration in Europe if the people in charge in the United States weren't so determined to start wars everywhere.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:26:24 +0100, D wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science >>>> has found the primary energy imbalance reason why: its
anthropometric.
Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has
changed
Let me also add that the dutch have been able to handle it for several
100s of years, so there absolutely nothing to be worried about. It is
natural, and we can handle it perfectly.
Neal Stephenson's novel 'Termination Shock' is complex like many of his books. The base theme is in any geoengineering attempt to mitigate climate change there will be winners and loser. What seems like a good idea for
one area might cause the Indian monsoons to fail.
A main character is the queen of Netherlands who tries to travel around incognito and one of the events in a North Sea tsunami when the Maeslantkering fails.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maeslantkering
It doesn't get the best reviews. It's 700 pages with many threads. Some
are offended by hints the Greens couldn't fix their eBike, let alone the climate.
The reviews aren't as bad as those for his latest, 'Polostan'. It too is convoluted but what really set people off is it is the first in a series
and ends abruptly. A lot of indie authors do that but each book is under
$5 or generally free to read with KindleUnlimited, not $15 for the kindle version. I guess he's working on his retirement plan.
On 1/3/25 6:45 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/2/25 6:22 AM, D wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, chrisv wrote:
D wrote:
Your other two recent posts were deleted, unread.
This sounds to me like you admit defeat. (snipped, unread)
Trolling 101. Claim victory in the midst of defeat.
The reality is that I'm so much better that after making my point I
can ignore what dipshits say, with the confidence that no decent
person would side with the dipshit.
Your 4:01 post was deleted, unread, as will every post that you make >>>>> in this thread, from now on.
Ahh... I won! It was a good fight chris, but you met someone better and >>>> lost. =)
Ah ... "The Wars" return ...... not unexpected alas ...
seems a 'Human Thing", the quest for elevated 'status'
forever and always. On This Episode of Game Of Thrones ...
Fortunately it's not 'war' over Linux Stuff again (yet).
No I think it is just because someone pulled in comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked into it, found it way to
annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder of why I stopped reading that
group.
I also cut it out ... a lot of 'political' group trolls
somehow found it. If you want pointlessly vicious, the
political groups have it. They'll roast people for not
believing the sky is green ... and then roast you for
believing it is ...........
(only seen a green sky a few times - big hail and/or
tornadoes followed)
Hey, I can't program a TCP stack from memory or know
every detail of sockets at the ASM level (and no, I did
not have an extensive ed in every 'philosophy')- guess
that makes me totally inferior and useless. Always
was a Jack Of All Trades, Master Of Few. Whatever,
I ain't that proud, good for what I'm good for and
that's good enough :-)
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:43:35 +0100, D wrote:
As a counter to that, I've started to drop a few "negros" in
conversations here and there out in town, and I also started to wear my
MAGA hat on the streets of Stockholm.
When I was growing up niggers preferred to be called Negroes. It's hard to keep track. Of course when I was growing up we also had polocks, wops,
kikes, and and other designations. My mother was politically correct
before her time and would accuse my father of sounding like Hitler.
The punchline is she thought any male Negro over the age of five was going
to rape her. My father had no problems with niggers. They were just people until proven differently. I learned about hypocrisy and pretty words
early.
I don't have a MAGA hat. In the summer I have a NRA hat that I wear
hiking; that's almost as good.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:06:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/01/2025 00:43, D wrote:
Negro has also become a symbol word.
You have to be really uneducated and thick not to know it simply means
'black'.
The best PC invention is latinx. It sounds like something you take when
you haven't shit in three days. I don't even think the latinx people care
for it. Indian is touchy too. Some are into 'Native American', some
aren't.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:47:27 +0100, D wrote:
I am surprised that eco-fascists are not protesting against the big IT
corporations. But most likely that would not result in higher taxes and
more power to socialist politicians, so that is probably why they are
ignored.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_green_environmentalism
They love their technology. They want their iPhones, VR goggles, AI
friends, EVs and so forth to be powered by some unspecified miracle,
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:49:55 +0100, D wrote:
I think there's a sabb with an even wider one, but cannot find it. I saw
it in a garage many decades ago.
Oh, the 900. I've seen a few of those. Saabs always were a minority brand
in the US. I liked the old ones, but there were some really strange beasts like the Sonnet II. I don't know why there was a Volvo on every block
while Saabs were driven by middle-aged lesbians.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:33:42 +0100, D wrote:
Hallucinations will probably have to be "fixed" by either hiring
africans to double check answers, sorry "fact check", and then store
those so that similar queries are redirected to those canned answers.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/12/journal-editors-resign-to-protest- ai-use-high-fees-and-more/
"In-house production has been reduced or outsourced, and in 2023 Elsevier began using AI during production without informing the board, resulting in many style and formatting errors, as well as reversing versions of papers that had already been accepted and formatted by the editors. “This was highly embarrassing for the journal and resolution took six months and was achieved only through the persistent efforts of the editors," the editors wrote. "AI processing continues to be used and regularly reformats
submitted manuscripts to change meaning and formatting and require
extensive author and editor oversight during proof stage.”
"There is certainly cause for concern when it comes to using AI in the pursuit of science. For instance, earlier this year, we witnessed the
viral sensation of several egregiously bad AI-generated figures published
in a peer-reviewed article in Frontiers, a reputable scientific journal. Scientists on social media expressed equal parts shock and ridicule at the images, one of which featured a rat with grotesquely large and bizarre genitals. The paper has since been retracted, but the incident reinforces
a growing concern that AI will make published scientific research less trustworthy, even as it increases productivity."
Somehow a rat with big balls really upset them.
On 1/4/25 1:08 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:43:35 +0100, D wrote:
As a counter to that, I've started to drop a few "negros" in
conversations here and there out in town, and I also started to wear my
MAGA hat on the streets of Stockholm.
When I was growing up niggers preferred to be called Negroes. It's hard to >> keep track. Of course when I was growing up we also had polocks, wops,
kikes, and and other designations. My mother was politically correct
before her time and would accuse my father of sounding like Hitler.
The punchline is she thought any male Negro over the age of five was going >> to rape her. My father had no problems with niggers. They were just people >> until proven differently. I learned about hypocrisy and pretty words
early.
I don't have a MAGA hat. In the summer I have a NRA hat that I wear
hiking; that's almost as good.
My father was a racist - northern racist. However
he WAS kinda odd about it. He'd sometimes rant about
'niggers' but most any 'negro' he ever worked with
was "OK" - sometimes they'd be over for dinner ...
and this was "the south". Even saw him stand up to
the Jim Crow bubbs once or twice. My mother had
been raised with her fam/brothers often employing
and working closely with 'negros' and didn't freak
about it at all.
In short, the 'racism' picture even in the southern
USA was not as simple and monolithic as the usual
rhetoric/media likes to portray. Reality would not
be as 'politically useful'.
If that was not the case, people would have fled to areas closer to
home.
Now they cross half the world in order to enjoy the pleasures of swedens welfare system, to give you just one example.
Stephenson used to be great in his youth (Snowcrash, Diamond age, Cryptonomicon) but has gotten worse as he has gotten older. His books
have expanded needlessly and he has gotten more woke as well.
I think it is due to financial incentives.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:47:27 +0100, D wrote:Ahh... the stupidity of modern eco-fascism never ceases to amaze!
I am surprised that eco-fascists are not protesting against the big IT
corporations. But most likely that would not result in higher taxes
and more power to socialist politicians, so that is probably why they
are ignored.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_green_environmentalism
They love their technology. They want their iPhones, VR goggles, AI
friends, EVs and so forth to be powered by some unspecified miracle,
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:49:55 +0100, D wrote:Yes, that's the one! You sure know your cars!
I think there's a sabb with an even wider one, but cannot find it. I
saw it in a garage many decades ago.
Oh, the 900. I've seen a few of those. Saabs always were a minority
brand in the US. I liked the old ones, but there were some really
strange beasts like the Sonnet II. I don't know why there was a Volvo
on every block while Saabs were driven by middle-aged lesbians.
This is very beautiful! I should get an NRA hat as well to give myself
an option for when the MAGA hat is not quite right.
On 1/3/25 7:06 PM, D wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2025 20:04, rbowman wrote:
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the >>>> end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
Yes. Absolutely it does.
Civilised behaviour is a culture of tolerance. Woke is a culture of
vicious intolerance towards anyone who challenges a narrow definition
of a modern Puritanism.
Civilised behaviour doesn't get you fired. Civilised behaviour doesn't
get you blacklisted.
Woke is part of the reason Trump will be president. People don't like
being told what to think. This isn't Putin's Russia.
This is the truth. What we are seeing is a big reaction against the mind
virus. In europe, a big part of the reaction is against immigration and
eco-fascism.
Civilized, esp SANE, behavior DOES get you
fired these days ... or at least before
Trump 2.0 ... LOTS of examples.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 12:21:32 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
What a load of totally opinionated irrelevant crap.
This computer is a tool. I create words. I create engineering drawings.
I create web sites.
This is a tool that allows me to do this.
In the UK we have another meaning of 'tool'.
It fits you exactly
In the real world we have a term that describes the subservient
technical class to which you belong:
Flunky
Now go and do as you're told. Don't concern yourself with
the ways of the Masters.
USENET isn't what it was ... has kinda fallen off
the proverbial radar. IMHO this is kinda GOOD.
As much as the 'Eternal September' days of disruption were a nuisance, the downside today is a manifestation of aging and decline: there's probably zero current participants in these newsgroups who are under age 40 ... and the average age is probably closer to 65.
Shit ... when I first got into Usenet the AI guru
Minsky used to post to the AI groups - things were
respectable then.
I can recall chatting with John Godwin about the Internet Law named after him (“As an online discussion continues, the probability of a comparison to Hitler or to Nazis approaches one").
On 2025-01-04 01:27, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:49:55 +0100, D wrote:
I think there's a sabb with an even wider one, but cannot find it. I saw >>> it in a garage many decades ago.
Oh, the 900. I've seen a few of those. Saabs always were a minority brand
in the US. I liked the old ones, but there were some really strange beasts >> like the Sonnet II. I don't know why there was a Volvo on every block
while Saabs were driven by middle-aged lesbians.
Volvo used to be synonymous with safety and they were built to last forever. It was their reputation and it was very much the reality. Once Ford bought the company though, everything went downhill. Now the Chinese own them and I can't help but notice that they're at the bottom in the reliability index.
On 2025-01-04, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
My father was a racist - northern racist.
Q: What's the difference between a northern racist and a
southern racist?
A: A southern racist doesn't mind black people living
close by as long as they don't get uppity.
A northern racist doesn't mind black people getting
uppity as long as they don't live close by.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 10:58:09 -0500, TJ wrote:
I don't know much about sea level changes. I live about 250 miles from
the sea, so I don't have to deal with it. But that doesn't mean I can
deny the changes in the climate right here where I live.
I live at around 3000', so no problem. However 13,000 years ago the whole area was the bottom of a lake whose shoreline was at 4200'. Things change.
On 2025-01-03 20:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/01/2025 18:37, -hh wrote:I don't know much about sea level changes. I live about 250 miles from the sea, so I don't have to deal with it. But that doesn't mean I can deny the changes in the climate right here where I live.
On 1/3/25 11:43 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:But LONG before any distinctive rise in CO2, which really dint start until >> post WWII
On 03/01/2025 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >>>>>
On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science >>>>>>> has found the primary energy imbalance reason why: its
anthropometric.
Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has >>>>>> changed
This source disagrees:
https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise >>>>>
Also, sea level is *not* the same all over the world. The article
mentions that
as well.
It's an interesting read.
Well I will merely quote from the Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level
"Sea level has changed over geologic time. As the graph shows, sea level >>>> today is very near the *lowest level ever attained* (the lowest level >>>> occurred at the Permian-Triassic boundary about 250 million years ago)." >>>>
"Recently, it has become widely accepted that late Holocene, 3,000
calendar years ago to present, sea level was nearly stable prior to an >>>> acceleration of rate of rise that is variously dated between 1850 and
1900 AD."
*Long before any CO2 excess was present*.
Yes, the rate of raise was nearly stable **before** the Industrial Age.
Which is the point: the contemporary acceleration in the rate of rise is >>> a change, and it is coincident with the advent of the Industrial Age.
So no correlation with CO2 at all.
Try not to be a climate denier
I'm a farmer, the third generation of my family to own and operate this small chunk of the world. Among other crops, we have raised vegetables and sold them on a roadside farm stand since 1962. We have records going back most of that time, with small notes about things like the weather.
50 years ago, while there were exceptions (there are ALWAYS exceptions when taking about weather trends), we could pretty much count on the first killing frost happening between September 20 and the 25th.
The last 10 years or so, that event has moved to October 5-10. And in 2024, the first killing frost was on October 25th.
So the climate IS changing. I've watched it do so. But is it natural, or man-made? In my layman's opinion, it's probably both. The basic mechanism is probably natural, augmented by Man's contribution.
But what can we do about it? Little of any significance, unless we are willing to take drastic measures - kill off about half the human population, give up modern power-hungry technology, that sort of thing.
I'm not willing to do that, and I don't think anyone else is, either. So what I'll do is continue to take advantage of the changes that are happening, adapting as best I can.
I can now grow fruits and vegetables that I couldn't dream of 50 years ago. Better, long-season varieties that I couldn't grow when I was a kid. For now, the climate is changing toward being better, here. That won't last, but it'll probably last longer than I do.
TJ
TJ wrote:
So the climate IS changing. I've watched it do so. But is it natural, or
man-made? In my layman's opinion, it's probably both. The basic
mechanism is probably natural, augmented by Man's contribution.
But what can we do about it? Little of any significance, unless we are
willing to take drastic measures - kill off about half the human
population, give up modern power-hungry technology, that sort of thing.
The West sure can't do anything about it. Southeast Asia drives
climate change. They are building hundreds of coal-fired power plants
every year in China and India.
I'm rather astonished that this point almost never comes up in the
media, even given what liars they are.
So locusts arent natural either?
Hmm.
I wonder if you know you are looking through a religious lens?
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 17:16:21 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
I don't condemn him for wanting to make a buck.
The 'evil' bit comes in when HOW such money is made - and the degree
of zealotry in punishing heretics.
That's my problem with the current system. Entrepreneurs take risks, have better skills and should be rewarded for their efforts. However when the reward is counted in the billions somebody is getting screwed. When every dollar that isn't nailed down gravitates to the top, somebody is getting screwed.
A great example of the ethos is Biden giving Soros a medal. That's the guy who nearly destroyed the Bank of England with his manipulations.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 12:28:09 +0100, D wrote:
Stephenson used to be great in his youth (Snowcrash, Diamond age,
Cryptonomicon) but has gotten worse as he has gotten older. His books
have expanded needlessly and he has gotten more woke as well.
I think it is due to financial incentives.
I liked 'Reamde' and 'Termination Shock' wasn't too bad. 'Polostan' didn't capture me, certainly not as the start of a series of relatively expensive offerings to complete the story line. I don't mind series. Mackey
Chandler's 'April' series was 14 books. Of course it helps that they were
all kindleunlimited so I wasn't paying $5 a pop. Franklin Horton's
'Borrowed World' is up to 11 now.
I'd asked Fran Porretto about kindleunlimited and how that works compared
to outright purchases. He went off to find out but I never heard more. He doesn't do series per se so I wondered if buying the books put a few more bucks in his piggybank.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 12:12:37 +0100, D wrote:
If that was not the case, people would have fled to areas closer to
home.
Now they cross half the world in order to enjoy the pleasures of swedens
welfare system, to give you just one example.
Leave the top off the honey jar and you attract flies.
I don't think the vision of the US having streets paved with gold is
believed by anyone in the world but working long hours for substandard
wages plucking chickens must seem better than wherever they are.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 12:35:14 +0100, D wrote:
This is very beautiful! I should get an NRA hat as well to give myself
an option for when the MAGA hat is not quite right.
Join and you get trinkets. I've got a couple of the hats, proudly made in China by 11 year old slaves. I've very mixed feelings about the NRA and
have dropped my membership a couple of times. I was overjoyed when that greasy bastard LaPierre got booted. However it does support legislation to preserve rights.
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership is a very minor league
player but makes good points.
https://jpfo.org/
They had a few hard years when Zelman, the founder, died but carried on.
If there is any group that shouldn't want to be sitting there in their underwear when Big Brother calls it's the American Jews. Somehow the anti- gun, pro-immigration stance doesn't hold up when it comes to Netanyahu and the boys. Lot of cognitive dissonance there.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 12:38:29 +0100, D wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:47:27 +0100, D wrote:Ahh... the stupidity of modern eco-fascism never ceases to amaze!
I am surprised that eco-fascists are not protesting against the big IT >>>> corporations. But most likely that would not result in higher taxes
and more power to socialist politicians, so that is probably why they
are ignored.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_green_environmentalism
They love their technology. They want their iPhones, VR goggles, AI
friends, EVs and so forth to be powered by some unspecified miracle,
I believe I've mentioned Derek Jensen and Deep Green Resistance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Green_Resistance
Whatever you think of Jensen his book demolishes the fantasies of the
people who want 'alternative' sources to provide a painless way to
maintain their lifestyles while feeling good about themselves.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
So locusts arent natural either?
Hmm.
I wonder if you know you are looking through a religious lens?
Don't you worry about the locusts! I think we discussed a long time ago,
the possibility of capturing the swarming african locusts and creating
the worlds most successful insect protein company! Problem solved, and
we'll make a lot of money at the same time! =D
On 1/4/25 3:48 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On 04/01/2025 15:58, TJ wrote:
So the climate IS changing. I've watched it do so. But is it natural, or >>>> man-made? In my layman's opinion, it's probably both. The basicThe point is that far far more drastic changes have happened without
mechanism is probably natural, augmented by Man's contribution.
modern humanity being involved.
Nah, the point is that the effect of modern humanity have caused changes
far more rapidly than normal, leaving ecosystems/species little time to
adapt.
'Nature' often does that all by itself - volcanoes,
ocean-current shifts, flood and drought, meteors,
botanical plagues - and the SCALE of rapid change
is HUGE, oft global.
So don't get TOO worked up about our alleged few
tenths of a degree changes ...
... The climate has always changed, and humanity has always
successfully adapted.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
... The climate has always changed, and humanity has always
successfully adapted.
Be careful there. The total time of "human existance" on this earth is
but a small sliver compared to the total time of existence of the earth itself.
While 'humanity' has, so far, adapted to the changes the climate has
thrown at us for the small percentage of total earth time we have
existed, the fossil record does record some rather drastic historic
climate changes that very well could be beyond our ability to adapt to
(i.e., they would be 'human extinction events' if they were to reoccur).
So while we have adapted to the changes we've seen, so far, we've not
had to adapt to all the possible changes the earth is capable of
throwing at us (because we were not around for most of those changes).
On 2025-01-04 16:58, TJ wrote:
On 2025-01-03 20:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/01/2025 18:37, -hh wrote:
On 1/3/25 11:43 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/01/2025 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >>>>>>
On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
...
I don't know much about sea level changes. I live about 250 miles from the >> sea, so I don't have to deal with it. But that doesn't mean I can deny the >> changes in the climate right here where I live.
I'm a farmer, the third generation of my family to own and operate this
small chunk of the world. Among other crops, we have raised vegetables and >> sold them on a roadside farm stand since 1962. We have records going back
most of that time, with small notes about things like the weather.
50 years ago, while there were exceptions (there are ALWAYS exceptions when >> taking about weather trends), we could pretty much count on the first
killing frost happening between September 20 and the 25th.
The last 10 years or so, that event has moved to October 5-10. And in 2024, >> the first killing frost was on October 25th.
So the climate IS changing. I've watched it do so. But is it natural, or
man-made? In my layman's opinion, it's probably both. The basic mechanism
is probably natural, augmented by Man's contribution.
But what can we do about it? Little of any significance, unless we are
willing to take drastic measures - kill off about half the human
population, give up modern power-hungry technology, that sort of thing.
Same way we changed it, we can change it back. We'll die if we don't.
I'm not willing to do that, and I don't think anyone else is, either. So
what I'll do is continue to take advantage of the changes that are
happening, adapting as best I can.
I can now grow fruits and vegetables that I couldn't dream of 50 years ago. >> Better, long-season varieties that I couldn't grow when I was a kid. For
now, the climate is changing toward being better, here. That won't last,
but it'll probably last longer than I do.
You are fortunate. In my area, the climate has gone desert like and crops die because there is not enough water. The increased energy in the system means storms are stronger, even devastating. They often destroy crops.
On 05/01/2025 12:06, D wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
So locusts arent natural either?
Hmm.
I wonder if you know you are looking through a religious lens?
Don't you worry about the locusts! I think we discussed a long time ago,
the possibility of capturing the swarming african locusts and creating the >> worlds most successful insect protein company! Problem solved, and we'll
make a lot of money at the same time! =D
Locusts here are simply an example.
The issue is the post Christian Garden-of-Eden eternal (= sustainable and renewable) Paradise of Total Perfection (some point at which the climate and ecosystem were in fact Perfect) ...and the concept of the Original Sin of man tampering with it and making it morally *worse*.
99.99% of all species that ever existed were extinct long before humans appeared and the amount of climate change the Earth has undergone in its history dwarfs the 0.4°C rise since 1950 or whatever they latest wet finger estimate is...
..we may have lost religion, but Puritanism and Nature worship is back with a vengeance.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
... The climate has always changed, and humanity has always
successfully adapted.
Be careful there. The total time of "human existance" on this earth is
but a small sliver compared to the total time of existence of the earth itself.
While 'humanity' has, so far, adapted to the changes the climate has
thrown at us for the small percentage of total earth time we have
existed, the fossil record does record some rather drastic historic
climate changes that very well could be beyond our ability to adapt to
(i.e., they would be 'human extinction events' if they were to reoccur).
So while we have adapted to the changes we've seen, so far, we've not
had to adapt to all the possible changes the earth is capable of
throwing at us (because we were not around for most of those changes).
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-04 16:58, TJ wrote:
On 2025-01-03 20:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/01/2025 18:37, -hh wrote:
On 1/3/25 11:43 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/01/2025 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse
code:
On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
...
I don't know much about sea level changes. I live about 250 miles
from the sea, so I don't have to deal with it. But that doesn't mean
I can deny the changes in the climate right here where I live.
I'm a farmer, the third generation of my family to own and operate
this small chunk of the world. Among other crops, we have raised
vegetables and sold them on a roadside farm stand since 1962. We have
records going back most of that time, with small notes about things
like the weather.
50 years ago, while there were exceptions (there are ALWAYS
exceptions when taking about weather trends), we could pretty much
count on the first killing frost happening between September 20 and
the 25th.
The last 10 years or so, that event has moved to October 5-10. And in
2024, the first killing frost was on October 25th.
So the climate IS changing. I've watched it do so. But is it natural,
or man-made? In my layman's opinion, it's probably both. The basic
mechanism is probably natural, augmented by Man's contribution.
But what can we do about it? Little of any significance, unless we
are willing to take drastic measures - kill off about half the human
population, give up modern power-hungry technology, that sort of thing.
Same way we changed it, we can change it back. We'll die if we don't.
I'm not willing to do that, and I don't think anyone else is, either.
So what I'll do is continue to take advantage of the changes that are
happening, adapting as best I can.
I can now grow fruits and vegetables that I couldn't dream of 50
years ago. Better, long-season varieties that I couldn't grow when I
was a kid. For now, the climate is changing toward being better,
here. That won't last, but it'll probably last longer than I do.
You are fortunate. In my area, the climate has gone desert like and
crops die because there is not enough water. The increased energy in
the system means storms are stronger, even devastating. They often
destroy crops.
The sad thing is that you are surrounded by water on 3 sides, yet insist
on not building out enormous deslination plants powered by solar that
would solve all problems.
Another fix would be to fix water leakage in
southern spain. I've heard that 40% of the water is wasted in leaks in
the system.
A third story I heard, was that Franco was well aware of
potential water shortage and have plans to build out dams and
irrigation. Sadly when socialists came to power and Franco died, all
this was forgotten.
The lack of water in spain is 100% fixable. All it takes is science, technology and political will.
Í'd far rather people like Bezos or Musk, or Soros, or Gates had those billions instead of a faceless government bureaucracy.
People can occasionally do the right thing, and if not, you know where
they live...
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 10:58:09 -0500, TJ wrote:How are you preparing in case that should happen again? There's no
I don't know much about sea level changes. I live about 250 miles from
the sea, so I don't have to deal with it. But that doesn't mean I can
deny the changes in the climate right here where I live.
I live at around 3000', so no problem. However 13,000 years ago the
whole area was the bottom of a lake whose shoreline was at 4200'.
Things change.
better time to prepare than right now!
I spoke with a science fiction author on a mailinglist I'm a member of,
and he said, for the love of god, never write a book because you expect
to earn money on it. Apparently it is not the royal road to riches.
We have achienved something no other species has done. Science.
Add to that the ability to plan long term, and there's nothing
to fear.
We can even nudge asteroids out of the way, should it be necessary.
I'd argue, that we've actually far, far safer from changes in
climate and our surroundings than we have ever been before.
Add to that the ability to plan long term, and there's nothing to fear.
Given the scarcity of companies that can see past the next quarter,
I think there's quite a lot to fear.
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 13:12:16 +0100, D wrote:
I spoke with a science fiction author on a mailinglist I'm a member of,
and he said, for the love of god, never write a book because you expect
to earn money on it. Apparently it is not the royal road to riches.
For every Martin or Clancy there are many starving authors. One of the benefits of outlets like Amazon/Kindle is an author can self publish and possibly make a few dollars rather than the vanity press model that was a dollar sink. From a reader's viewpoint it means I have a selection of
authors I enjoy that never would have appeared in the conventional
publishing industry.
Amazon Prime offers a selection of free books every month. I've found a
few gems but the selections are heavily oriented toward chick lit and not very good. I don't know how well the attempted jump start works. I do
better with the 'because you read...' suggestions.
On 2025-01-05 20:56, D wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-04 16:58, TJ wrote:
On 2025-01-03 20:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/01/2025 18:37, -hh wrote:
On 1/3/25 11:43 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/01/2025 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >>>>>>>>
On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
...
I don't know much about sea level changes. I live about 250 miles from >>>> the sea, so I don't have to deal with it. But that doesn't mean I canSame way we changed it, we can change it back. We'll die if we don't.
deny the changes in the climate right here where I live.
I'm a farmer, the third generation of my family to own and operate this >>>> small chunk of the world. Among other crops, we have raised vegetables >>>> and sold them on a roadside farm stand since 1962. We have records going >>>> back most of that time, with small notes about things like the weather. >>>>
50 years ago, while there were exceptions (there are ALWAYS exceptions >>>> when taking about weather trends), we could pretty much count on the
first killing frost happening between September 20 and the 25th.
The last 10 years or so, that event has moved to October 5-10. And in
2024, the first killing frost was on October 25th.
So the climate IS changing. I've watched it do so. But is it natural, or >>>> man-made? In my layman's opinion, it's probably both. The basic mechanism >>>> is probably natural, augmented by Man's contribution.
But what can we do about it? Little of any significance, unless we are >>>> willing to take drastic measures - kill off about half the human
population, give up modern power-hungry technology, that sort of thing. >>>
I'm not willing to do that, and I don't think anyone else is, either. So >>>> what I'll do is continue to take advantage of the changes that are
happening, adapting as best I can.
I can now grow fruits and vegetables that I couldn't dream of 50 years >>>> ago. Better, long-season varieties that I couldn't grow when I was a kid. >>>> For now, the climate is changing toward being better, here. That won't >>>> last, but it'll probably last longer than I do.
You are fortunate. In my area, the climate has gone desert like and crops >>> die because there is not enough water. The increased energy in the system >>> means storms are stronger, even devastating. They often destroy crops.
The sad thing is that you are surrounded by water on 3 sides, yet insist on >> not building out enormous deslination plants powered by solar that would
solve all problems.
Where do you get that idea? A lot of the water in my area comes from desalinization.
Another fix would be to fix water leakage in southern spain. I've heard
that 40% of the water is wasted in leaks in the system.
That is in some cities. The average is 15%.
<https://theobjective.com/espana/2023-08-12/perdida-agua-averias-fugas-comunidades/>
A third story I heard, was that Franco was well aware of potential water
shortage and have plans to build out dams and irrigation. Sadly when
socialists came to power and Franco died, all this was forgotten.
No, it wasn't. Simply all the places where damns were feasible had been used.
The lack of water in spain is 100% fixable. All it takes is science,
technology and political will.
Not really.
On 2025-01-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
We have achienved something no other species has done. Science.
Someone once pointed out, though, that for all the great things
science can do, it can't make the sun shine brighter or the
rivers run faster. If our consumption continues to increase,
sooner or later we'll hit the crunch.
Add to that the ability to plan long term, and there's nothing
to fear.
Given the scarcity of companies that can see past the next quarter,
I think there's quite a lot to fear.
We can even nudge asteroids out of the way, should it be necessary.
Or not. See the Netflix movie _Don't Look Up_.
I'd argue, that we've actually far, far safer from changes in
climate and our surroundings than we have ever been before.
Well, the rich folk are, at least.
On Sun, 05 Jan 2025 23:47:18 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
Add to that the ability to plan long term, and there's nothing to fear.
Given the scarcity of companies that can see past the next quarter,
I think there's quite a lot to fear.
I'm not sure the government even looks that far ahead. It was hybris to
talk about a thousand year Reich but at least they were thinking about it.
I think it was in Speer's autobiography where he talked about designing buildings that would make scenic ruins in a thousand years.
unless they live off government handouts, in which case they are really
just a branch of government.
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-01-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
We have achienved something no other species has done. Science.
Someone once pointed out, though, that for all the great things
science can do, it can't make the sun shine brighter or the
rivers run faster. If our consumption continues to increase,
sooner or later we'll hit the crunch.
We can use things more effectively, we can build nuclear. In terms of
power we have no problem out all. This is a solved problem and only
requires political will.
Add to that the ability to plan long term, and there's nothing
to fear.
Given the scarcity of companies that can see past the next quarter,
I think there's quite a lot to fear.
There are companies that are older than countries.
We can even nudge asteroids out of the way, should it be necessary.
Or not. See the Netflix movie _Don't Look Up_.
Sorry, forgot that source of eternal truth.
I'd argue, that we've actually far, far safer from changes in
climate and our surroundings than we have ever been before.
Well, the rich folk are, at least.
You can become rich too! Remember the locust protein company we've been talking about. The idea is just sitting there for you to realize it! =D
My first computer (TI994/A) had a whopping 16KB of RAM. I wonder if it
would have run Crysis.
On 2025-01-06, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-01-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
We have achienved something no other species has done. Science.
Someone once pointed out, though, that for all the great things
science can do, it can't make the sun shine brighter or the
rivers run faster. If our consumption continues to increase,
sooner or later we'll hit the crunch.
We can use things more effectively, we can build nuclear. In terms of
power we have no problem out all. This is a solved problem and only
requires political will.
No amount of political will can solve the coming shortages, because
that's not where the will is being applied. It's all going toward
increasing our population beyond the ability of science to provide,
and ensuring that technological advances will never catch up with ever-increasing demand. (Besides, shortages drive prices up, which
is good for The Economy.)
Add to that the ability to plan long term, and there's nothing
to fear.
Given the scarcity of companies that can see past the next quarter,
I think there's quite a lot to fear.
There are companies that are older than countries.
And I'm sure a lot of them bumble along in their short-sighted way,
depending on massive financial reserves to carry them through the
downturns.
We can even nudge asteroids out of the way, should it be necessary.
Or not. See the Netflix movie _Don't Look Up_.
Sorry, forgot that source of eternal truth.
Not eternal truth, perhaps, but way too plausible for comfort.
I'd argue, that we've actually far, far safer from changes in
climate and our surroundings than we have ever been before.
Well, the rich folk are, at least.
You can become rich too! Remember the locust protein company we've been
talking about. The idea is just sitting there for you to realize it! =D
_We_ are the locusts. See my .sig.
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-01-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
We have achienved something no other species has done. Science.
Someone once pointed out, though, that for all the great things
science can do, it can't make the sun shine brighter or the
rivers run faster. If our consumption continues to increase,
sooner or later we'll hit the crunch.
We can use things more effectively, we can build nuclear. In terms of
power we have no problem out all. This is a solved problem and only
requires political will.
Add to that the ability to plan long term, and there's nothing
to fear.
Given the scarcity of companies that can see past the next quarter,
I think there's quite a lot to fear.
There are companies that are older than countries.
We can even nudge asteroids out of the way, should it be necessary.
Or not. See the Netflix movie _Don't Look Up_.
Sorry, forgot that source of eternal truth.
I'd argue, that we've actually far, far safer from changes in
climate and our surroundings than we have ever been before.
Well, the rich folk are, at least.
You can become rich too! Remember the locust protein company we've been talking about. The idea is just sitting there for you to realize it! =D
On 1/6/25 5:49 AM, D wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-01-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
We have achienved something no other species has done. Science.
Someone once pointed out, though, that for all the great things
science can do, it can't make the sun shine brighter or the rivers run
faster. If our consumption continues to increase, sooner or later
we'll hit the crunch.
We can use things more effectively, we can build nuclear. In terms of
power we have no problem out all. This is a solved problem and only
requires political will.
We ARE very wasteful - even with known-limited resources. There's
mostly not enough money in 're-cycling' to make it worth it (except
in 4th-world countries - oh reports are of a really good
gold-recovery chemistry lately)
On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 20:17:12 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/6/25 5:49 AM, D wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-01-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
We have achienved something no other species has done. Science.
Someone once pointed out, though, that for all the great things
science can do, it can't make the sun shine brighter or the rivers run >>>> faster. If our consumption continues to increase, sooner or later
we'll hit the crunch.
We can use things more effectively, we can build nuclear. In terms of
power we have no problem out all. This is a solved problem and only
requires political will.
We ARE very wasteful - even with known-limited resources. There's
mostly not enough money in 're-cycling' to make it worth it (except
in 4th-world countries - oh reports are of a really good
gold-recovery chemistry lately)
There are a few recycling projects that do make money and they don't
require government intervention. My information is from the '90s but
there were two lead acid battery operations in the LA area and it was
worth hauling junk batteries from Denver or further. The Kaiser aluminum smelter in Spokane also pulled in crushed aluminum cans from all over the west. The local pulp mill had cardboard hauled in but they shut down.
There must still be a market since the company that handles the garbage
has a separate dumpster for cardboard.
The oddest one was in Rancho Cucamonga. I hauled past the sell date beer
from Denver. They distilled it for industrial alcohol.
Plastic recycling is problematic as is glass. I've got a suspicion after
the people have their feel good moment separating the trash it still winds
up in the same landfill.
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 12:35:14 +0100, D wrote:
This is very beautiful! I should get an NRA hat as well to give myself
an option for when the MAGA hat is not quite right.
Join and you get trinkets. I've got a couple of the hats, proudly made in
China by 11 year old slaves. I've very mixed feelings about the NRA and
have dropped my membership a couple of times. I was overjoyed when that
greasy bastard LaPierre got booted. However it does support
legislation to
preserve rights.
Just the fact that a swedish socialist might give me the evil eye is
enough for me to get an NRA hat! ;)
On 1/6/25 1:35 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
_We_ are the locusts. See my .sig.
Ummmmm ... you don't work in a secret govt bio-war
lab do you ?
In any case, as I said to another here, we now have
eight billion people
all wanting to live the life
of a Kardashian ... 1st-world plus. CAN'T happen,
maybe not even with an extra century of tech. This
causes all sorts of dissatisfaction and politics
and chaos. May largely kill ourselves off before
the 'resources' run out.
It's a problem.
Know how to knap a flint spearhead ?
On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 19:29:08 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
My first computer (TI994/A) had a whopping 16KB of RAM. I wonder if it
would have run Crysis.
16 KB? Who could ever want more.
Cardboard ... may not REALLY be a market, just greenie pols trying to
score points. However it might be good for lawn mulch or something
similar. Hmmm ... new house, put a couple inches of ground cardboard
down an then cover it with a few inches of good dirt. Oughtta hold
lots of moisture. Structural uses ... the moment you crease the stuff
it's lost mechanical strength, can't even soak it in glue/resin and
make shelving. Just burn it at a power plant .......
Styrofoam is a huge bugaboo. High volume with low mass. Can't really
melt it properly. CAN dissolve it in some hydrocarbons and get a kind
of degraded styrene goop, but I'm not sure what that's good for.
There are a few recycling projects that do make money and they don't
require government intervention. My information is from the '90s but
there were two lead acid battery operations in the LA area and it was
worth hauling junk batteries from Denver or further.
The Kaiser aluminum
smelter in Spokane also pulled in crushed aluminum cans from all over the west. The local pulp mill had cardboard hauled in but they shut down.
There must still be a market since the company that handles the garbage
has a separate dumpster for cardboard.
The oddest one was in Rancho Cucamonga. I hauled past the sell date beer
from Denver. They distilled it for industrial alcohol.
Plastic recycling is problematic as is glass. I've got a suspicion after
the people have their feel good moment separating the trash it still winds
up in the same landfill.
There's still a
waste-disposal issue alas, what to do with stuff
that's super-deadly for 99,000 years.
In any case, as I said to another here, we now have
eight billion people all wanting to live the life
of a Kardashian ... 1st-world plus. CAN'T happen,
maybe not even with an extra century of tech. This
causes all sorts of dissatisfaction and politics
and chaos. May largely kill ourselves off before
the 'resources' run out.
It's a problem.
Know how to knap a flint spearhead ?
On 06/01/2025 10:50, D wrote:
unless they live off government handouts, in which case they are really
just a branch of government.
No. Government is just another branch of the companies.
It's called 'state capture' or 'crony capitalism'
The more overtly socialist and 'caring' the government is, the easier is it to bend its motives towards state sponsored profit.
Not a single windfarm or solar farm has been built without massive state incentives.
On 2025-01-06, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-01-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
We have achienved something no other species has done. Science.
Someone once pointed out, though, that for all the great things
science can do, it can't make the sun shine brighter or the
rivers run faster. If our consumption continues to increase,
sooner or later we'll hit the crunch.
We can use things more effectively, we can build nuclear. In terms of
power we have no problem out all. This is a solved problem and only
requires political will.
No amount of political will can solve the coming shortages, because
that's not where the will is being applied. It's all going toward
increasing our population beyond the ability of science to provide,
and ensuring that technological advances will never catch up with ever-increasing demand. (Besides, shortages drive prices up, which
is good for The Economy.)
Add to that the ability to plan long term, and there's nothing
to fear.
Given the scarcity of companies that can see past the next quarter,
I think there's quite a lot to fear.
There are companies that are older than countries.
And I'm sure a lot of them bumble along in their short-sighted way,
depending on massive financial reserves to carry them through the
downturns.
We can even nudge asteroids out of the way, should it be necessary.
Or not. See the Netflix movie _Don't Look Up_.
Sorry, forgot that source of eternal truth.
Not eternal truth, perhaps, but way too plausible for comfort.
I'd argue, that we've actually far, far safer from changes in
climate and our surroundings than we have ever been before.
Well, the rich folk are, at least.
You can become rich too! Remember the locust protein company we've been
talking about. The idea is just sitting there for you to realize it! =D
_We_ are the locusts. See my .sig.
On 2025-01-05 14:57, D wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025, TJ wrote:
On 2025-01-04 16:50, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 10:58:09 -0500, TJ wrote:
I don't know much about sea level changes. I live about 250 miles from >>>>> the sea, so I don't have to deal with it. But that doesn't mean I can >>>>> deny the changes in the climate right here where I live.
I live at around 3000', so no problem. However 13,000 years ago the whole >>>> area was the bottom of a lake whose shoreline was at 4200'. Things
change.
I'm closer to 1500', with rolling drumlins left behind by glaciers and
it's similar here. I've been told since childhood that our area used to be >>> under an "inland sea." There are tons of fossils of sea life around,
shellfish, trilobites, and the like, but I couldn't say for sure they
weren't imported by those glaciers from somewhere else.
One thing, anyway. If the climatologists are correct, then humans are to >>> be congratulated. Through global cooperation and diligent effort, we have >>> successfully staved off the Ice Age that was predicted in the 1970s to be >>> headed our way.
TJ
Cooling is what we should all fear. Warming, if anything, has always been
correlated with civilizational advance and prosperity.
The way they sell it, warming means a lesser availability of fresh water. Obviously, this would result in people dying. With cooling though, there would be a decreased availability of food in general, so I don't see how one is worse than the other.
On 2025-01-06 10:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/01/2025 13:49, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
The way they sell it, warming means a lesser availability of fresh water. >>> Obviously, this would result in people dying. With cooling though, there >>> would be a decreased availability of food in general, so I don't see how >>> one is worse than the other.
Except the narrative says that all of greenland will melt. That's a fuck of >> a lot of fresh water
If all of Greenland will melt, the people who are suddenly inconvenienced by the world's warming could move there and turn the continent-like country into something inhabitable for the first time in thousands of years. I imagine that as a result of it never really being used for agriculture, that land is incredibly fertile.
On Mon, 6 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/01/2025 10:50, D wrote:
unless they live off government handouts, in which case they are
really just a branch of government.
No. Government is just another branch of the companies.
Depends on the country. I guarantee you that the government calls the
shots in sweden. In the US, I'm not so sure, but then, the US is not a socialist as sweden.
Ain't gonna be MAGAI don't think so.
forever (GOP thinks it has four years to coast)
and soon enough the ultra-left will regain power.
Being NRA means you're an Enemy Of The People,
a terrorist, a 'threat to democracy', a maniac.
They'll push that and then send midnight raiders
to your house to 'save America' the way Vlad
disappears 'dissidents'.
A return to a more sensible/tolerant America ?America was so rich when I first visited it in te 1970s that it didn't
No longer sure that's possible. We've kinda
drifted into the 3rd-world mentality of
dictators, czars, warlords, presidents-
for life and ayatollah-substututes. Hard to
come back from that. Not everything lost can
be regained.
It'd take a real, prolonged, space-alien
invasion. Don't think the Jersey Drones
are gonna do it.
This has been said since at least the 1800s, and has been equally wrong
every single time. We have not even started to farm the seas and space.
There are enormous areas available for farming on the planet, limitless energy, and NASA has proven that we're seeing global greening. Do not
worry about increasing population.
Cooling kills 10x the people than warming. That is how cooling is worse
than warming. As for lack of water, desalination exists and works well. Desalination can be combined excellently, with solar power to drive down cost.
It is being used with great success on the swedish island of Gotland, to mitigate water shortage.
On 07/01/2025 03:52, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Ain't gonna be MAGAI don't think so.
forever (GOP thinks it has four years to coast)
and soon enough the ultra-left will regain power.
Ultra left can only thrive in an affluent society, but they have no idea
how to create or maintain affluence.
As poverty kicks in, people are more concerned over potatoes than pronouns.
There are a few recycling projects that do make money and they don't
require government intervention. My information is from the '90s but
there were two lead acid battery operations in the LA area and it was
worth hauling junk batteries from Denver or further. The Kaiser aluminum smelter in Spokane also pulled in crushed aluminum cans from all over the west. The local pulp mill had cardboard hauled in but they shut down.
There must still be a market since the company that handles the garbage
has a separate dumpster for cardboard.
The oddest one was in Rancho Cucamonga. I hauled past the sell date beer
from Denver. They distilled it for industrial alcohol.
Plastic recycling is problematic as is glass. I've got a suspicion after
the people have their feel good moment separating the trash it still winds
up in the same landfill.
On 1/7/25 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/01/2025 03:52, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Ain't gonna be MAGAI don't think so.
forever (GOP thinks it has four years to coast)
and soon enough the ultra-left will regain power.
Ultra left can only thrive in an affluent society, but they have no
idea how to create or maintain affluence.
As poverty kicks in, people are more concerned over potatoes than
pronouns.
I don't understand that comment.
For "ultra left" substitute religion. Historical evidence suggests it
can survive and flourish in very poor societies. A combination of authoritarian government and the ideology of a "moral" quality that supersedes wordly possessions.
Listening to the UK radio last night, a Labour politician was being questioned on whether Ed Milliband’s "Green new deal" was achievable, realistic. Her response was that it was Labour's most popular policy.
Her metric for success was that it delivered Labour/herself political
power, and she was probably right, it does.
I guess Germany is a little further down the "Green" path than the UK.
It will be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming elections. I
doubt we will see a significant correction.
I visited a lead recycling plant in France. It was part of a lead
smelting operation. It was dripping sulphuric acid. They took car
batteries and mashed them up and somehow fed them back into the ore processing chain.
Cheap gasoline and diesel paved the way for massive transport expansion
and globalisation. Plus aircraft and the rise of suburban living.
On Mon, 6 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/01/2025 10:50, D wrote:
unless they live off government handouts, in which case they are
really just a branch of government.
No. Government is just another branch of the companies.
Depends on the country. I guarantee you that the government calls the
shots in sweden. In the US, I'm not so sure, but then, the US is not a socialist as sweden.
As a bit or irony newly manufactured car batteries were a hazardous
materials load. 45,000 pounds of leaking dead batteries haphazardly piled
on pallets were not considered hazardous. The distinction is very
important if you're going from Denver to LA. hazmat loads cannot go
through Eisenhower Tunnel so you get to take the scenic route over
Loveland Pass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loveland_Pass
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 11:09:08 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Cheap gasoline and diesel paved the way for massive transport expansion
and globalisation. Plus aircraft and the rise of suburban living.
I forget the two cities, perhaps London and Manchester, but in
Schumacher's 'Small is Beautiful' he points out the absurdity of two
lorries passing each other, one carrying biscuits from Manchester to
London, the other carrying biscuits from London to Manchester. The cities were 100 miles apart.
In the US the absurdity involves cities 2000 miles apart, all made
possible by cheap fuel.
On Mon, 6 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
No amount of political will can solve the coming shortages, because
that's not where the will is being applied. It's all going toward
This is incorrect. Shortages, and lack of political will, makes for
excellent opportunities for political entrepreneurs.
increasing our population beyond the ability of science to provide,
and ensuring that technological advances will never catch up with
ever-increasing demand. (Besides, shortages drive prices up, which
is good for The Economy.)
This has been said since at least the 1800s, and has been equally wrong
every single time. We have not even started to farm the seas and space.
There are enormous areas available for farming on the planet, limitless energy, and NASA has proven that we're seeing global greening. Do not
worry about increasing population.
In fact, if anything, population is stagnating. So throw away the
mainstream media and enjoy life. We've never had it better, and we'll
have it better still! =)
On 2025-01-07, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
As a bit or irony newly manufactured car batteries were a hazardous
materials load. 45,000 pounds of leaking dead batteries haphazardly piled
on pallets were not considered hazardous. The distinction is very
important if you're going from Denver to LA. hazmat loads cannot go
through Eisenhower Tunnel so you get to take the scenic route over
Loveland Pass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loveland_Pass
Holy cow. That doesn't look like a fun place to haul 30,000 pounds
of bananas.
On 2025-01-07, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
As a bit or irony newly manufactured car batteries were a hazardous
materials load. 45,000 pounds of leaking dead batteries haphazardly
piled on pallets were not considered hazardous. The distinction is very
important if you're going from Denver to LA. hazmat loads cannot go
through Eisenhower Tunnel so you get to take the scenic route over
Loveland Pass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loveland_Pass
Holy cow. That doesn't look like a fun place to haul 30,000 pounds of bananas.
Here's another:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Creek_Pass
It has to be the right religion though A religion that simply takes all
yiur wealth and prromises yuoi only hell if you get upset is not a
keeper.
On 07/01/2025 19:06, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 11:09:08 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Pretty sure Manchester is further than that. (It is in fact 211 miles)
Cheap gasoline and diesel paved the way for massive transport
expansion and globalisation. Plus aircraft and the rise of suburban
living.
I forget the two cities, perhaps London and Manchester, but in
Schumacher's 'Small is Beautiful' he points out the absurdity of two
lorries passing each other, one carrying biscuits from Manchester to
London, the other carrying biscuits from London to Manchester. The
cities were 100 miles apart.
And London makes nothing except money these days.
On 2025-01-07, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
No amount of political will can solve the coming shortages, because
that's not where the will is being applied. It's all going toward
This is incorrect. Shortages, and lack of political will, makes for
excellent opportunities for political entrepreneurs.
Unfortunately, these people often do not have the common good in mind.
increasing our population beyond the ability of science to provide,
and ensuring that technological advances will never catch up with
ever-increasing demand. (Besides, shortages drive prices up, which
is good for The Economy.)
This has been said since at least the 1800s, and has been equally wrong
every single time. We have not even started to farm the seas and space.
There are enormous areas available for farming on the planet, limitless
energy, and NASA has proven that we're seeing global greening. Do not
worry about increasing population.
In fact, if anything, population is stagnating. So throw away the
mainstream media and enjoy life. We've never had it better, and we'll
have it better still! =)
I hope you're right. Most governments are quite alarmed at signs that population growth is showing signs of slowing, and are doing their best
to push it back up. Canada's soon-to-be-ex-prime minister managed to
double immigration, to nearly 500,000 people per year (multiply by 10
to scale it to U.S. proportions). Some of these people were just dumped
onto the streets of Toronto with no place to go, having served their
purpose of getting the numbers up. Meanwhile, last I heard there were
still 50 communities in the country without drinking water. Priorities...
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 16:36:00 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Here's another:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Creek_Pass
A few years ago I took a spring trip back to the Kentucky / Virginia area. Short synopsis: it rained. I was going to do a little hiking on the AT but aborted and headed back west. The plan to do a hike on the Continental
Divide trail also aborted because I hadn't brought my snowshoes. It
finally stopped raining when I got to southern Utah and was hotter than
hell in Canyonlands.
I've been over Wolf Creek with a big truck too. Luckily I wasn't hauling chickens.
On 2025-01-07, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
On 1/6/25 1:35 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
_We_ are the locusts. See my .sig.
Ummmmm ... you don't work in a secret govt bio-war
lab do you ?
No, I just do a little basic math.
In any case, as I said to another here, we now have
eight billion people
... and counting ...
all wanting to live the life
of a Kardashian ... 1st-world plus. CAN'T happen,
maybe not even with an extra century of tech. This
causes all sorts of dissatisfaction and politics
and chaos. May largely kill ourselves off before
the 'resources' run out.
It's a problem.
Know how to knap a flint spearhead ?
I could probably learn. I didn't get that ability
bred out of me.
On 2025-01-07, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 19:29:08 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
My first computer (TI994/A) had a whopping 16KB of RAM. I wonder if it
would have run Crysis.
16 KB? Who could ever want more.
My first job was in a small service bureau running a Univac 9300
(their answer to the IBM 360/20). It had 16K of memory, and no
disks or tapes - just cards. Yet we ran accounts receivables,
general ledgers, payrolls, etc. for all sorts of companies that were
too small to afford even a computer like ours (250K 1970 dollars).
Later we added disks and expanded the memory to 32K. At first
we didn't know what to do with all that space - although we soon
figured it out.
On 07/01/2025 10:41, D wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/01/2025 10:50, D wrote:
unless they live off government handouts, in which case they are really >>>> just a branch of government.
No. Government is just another branch of the companies.
Depends on the country. I guarantee you that the government calls the shots >> in sweden. In the US, I'm not so sure, but then, the US is not a socialist >> as sweden.
Sure, but who owns the government?
On 07/01/2025 01:38, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
In any case, as I said to another here, we now have
eight billion people all wanting to live the life
of a Kardashian ... 1st-world plus. CAN'T happen,
maybe not even with an extra century of tech. This
causes all sorts of dissatisfaction and politics
and chaos. May largely kill ourselves off before
the 'resources' run out.
It's a problem.
Know how to knap a flint spearhead ?
Just about. Might take a few months though
A lot of basic technology isn't hard to implement once you have the right idea.
Spinning weaving and sewing are easy enough as is knitting etc.
Bows and arrows potters wheels and pole lathes are all easily built.
Knowing that iron ore exists and can be smelted with charcoal and a bellows takes you past the Bronze age quickly.
As does basic knowledge of fertilisers and animal husbandry.
Of course there wont be enough to keep millennial snowflakes alive whose only skill is tapping a touchscreen.
On 2025-01-07, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
No amount of political will can solve the coming shortages, because
that's not where the will is being applied. It's all going toward
This is incorrect. Shortages, and lack of political will, makes for
excellent opportunities for political entrepreneurs.
Unfortunately, these people often do not have the common good in mind.
increasing our population beyond the ability of science to provide,
and ensuring that technological advances will never catch up with
ever-increasing demand. (Besides, shortages drive prices up, which
is good for The Economy.)
This has been said since at least the 1800s, and has been equally wrong
every single time. We have not even started to farm the seas and space.
There are enormous areas available for farming on the planet, limitless
energy, and NASA has proven that we're seeing global greening. Do not
worry about increasing population.
In fact, if anything, population is stagnating. So throw away the
mainstream media and enjoy life. We've never had it better, and we'll
have it better still! =)
I hope you're right. Most governments are quite alarmed at signs that population growth is showing signs of slowing, and are doing their best
to push it back up. Canada's soon-to-be-ex-prime minister managed to
double immigration, to nearly 500,000 people per year (multiply by 10
to scale it to U.S. proportions). Some of these people were just dumped
onto the streets of Toronto with no place to go, having served their
purpose of getting the numbers up. Meanwhile, last I heard there were
still 50 communities in the country without drinking water. Priorities...
On 07/01/2025 10:43, D wrote:
Cooling kills 10x the people than warming. That is how cooling is worseIt is suitable for intermittent sources, yes. Nuclear is even better.
than warming. As for lack of water, desalination exists and works well.
Desalination can be combined excellently, with solar power to drive down
cost.
It is being used with great success on the swedish island of Gotland, to
mitigate water shortage.
I've been there. Strange place.
Always reminded me of Andreas Brevik...
As with many technological revolutions, it all happens as a result of some technology becoming so absurdly cheap you use it wherever you can.
Cheap gasoline and diesel paved the way for massive transport expansion and globalisation. Plus aircraft and the rise of suburban living.
The transistor paved the way for digital everything, up to and including chips the size of a thumbnail that do more than an IBM mainframe could do in the 1950s. That you can fit in a washing machine.
Massively cheap electricity and free heat from reactors will solve the energy crisis and open up huge new possibilities in energy intensive industrial processes.
Bring it on.
On 1/7/25 2:47 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-01-07, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
No amount of political will can solve the coming shortages, because
that's not where the will is being applied. It's all going toward
This is incorrect. Shortages, and lack of political will, makes for
excellent opportunities for political entrepreneurs.
Unfortunately, these people often do not have the common good in mind.
increasing our population beyond the ability of science to provide,
and ensuring that technological advances will never catch up with
ever-increasing demand. (Besides, shortages drive prices up, which
is good for The Economy.)
This has been said since at least the 1800s, and has been equally wrong
every single time. We have not even started to farm the seas and space.
There are enormous areas available for farming on the planet, limitless
energy, and NASA has proven that we're seeing global greening. Do not
worry about increasing population.
In fact, if anything, population is stagnating. So throw away the
mainstream media and enjoy life. We've never had it better, and we'll
have it better still! =)
I hope you're right. Most governments are quite alarmed at signs that
population growth is showing signs of slowing, and are doing their best
to push it back up. Canada's soon-to-be-ex-prime minister managed to
double immigration, to nearly 500,000 people per year (multiply by 10
to scale it to U.S. proportions). Some of these people were just dumped
onto the streets of Toronto with no place to go, having served their
purpose of getting the numbers up. Meanwhile, last I heard there were
still 50 communities in the country without drinking water. Priorities...
The first impulse is to blame the US border problem on
Joe/socialists trying to import lots of people who will
vote for them. However most 'Mexicans' are relatively
conservative Catholics and those from further south
have had very bad experiences with 'communists'. They
are not gonna be the next leftist slave class.
What they are is the fill-in for native-born Americans
who aren't borning many or any kiddies themselves.
The problem exists in the EU as well, and is worst in
Japan and Korea. Given the option, a LOT of women will
not have many or any children. This ages the overall
pop rather quickly. So, gotta start importing labor,
esp for the Shit Jobs. Downside, this keeps diluting
yer native culture and eventually You become Them.
The Taliban seem to have solved this - give women
no options but to be breeders. General wealth is
also not high enough, so kids become yer support
army.
In the USA it is poor politics to SAY you need to
import foreign labor (we've seen this attitude
in play just the last week). In other nations
the notion is more politically acceptable.
Some imagine robots doing the shit work ... but despite
the hype I don't see General Purpose robots any time
soon. Yer human pop will still keep declining until
even the robots have nothing to do but maintain the
other robots.
Read "R.U.R." (Capek 1920) for fun.
I think robots and automation will save the day. They don't even have to
be automating/saving elderly care, they can automate/save menial office
jobs, and those workers can then move into elderly care instead of
fiddling around with meaningless powerpoints and excel spreadsheets all
day.
Everyone wins! =D
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/01/2025 01:38, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Know how to knap a flint spearhead ?
Just about. Might take a few months though
A lot of basic technology isn't hard to implement once you have the
right idea.
Spinning weaving and sewing are easy enough as is knitting etc.
Bows and arrows potters wheels and pole lathes are all easily built.
Knowing that iron ore exists and can be smelted with charcoal and a
bellows takes you past the Bronze age quickly.
As does basic knowledge of fertilisers and animal husbandry.
Of course there wont be enough to keep millennial snowflakes alive
whose only skill is tapping a touchscreen.
I hear you are well prepared for the reign of Starmer! ;)
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 18:49:19 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
It has to be the right religion though A religion that simply takes all
yiur wealth and prromises yuoi only hell if you get upset is not a
keeper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sja1UJM6Vgg
But the question is... who owns Trump?
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/01/2025 10:43, D wrote:
Cooling kills 10x the people than warming. That is how cooling isIt is suitable for intermittent sources, yes. Nuclear is even better.
worse than warming. As for lack of water, desalination exists and
works well. Desalination can be combined excellently, with solar
power to drive down cost.
This is the truth! But I am curious if solar would be a good option in
say, southern spain to drive desalination, and in order to build the
plants quicker, due to the politicians doing their best to still stop
nuclear with the power of various regulations?
On 2025-01-08 10:54, D wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/01/2025 10:43, D wrote:
Cooling kills 10x the people than warming. That is how cooling isIt is suitable for intermittent sources, yes. Nuclear is even better.
worse than warming. As for lack of water, desalination exists and
works well. Desalination can be combined excellently, with solar
power to drive down cost.
This is the truth! But I am curious if solar would be a good option in
say, southern spain to drive desalination, and in order to build the
plants quicker, due to the politicians doing their best to still stop
nuclear with the power of various regulations?
You forget that it is the people who do not want nuclear. It is proven dangerous.
On 08/01/2025 12:52, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-08 10:54, D wrote:No, it is not the people who dont want nucler, it is the oil gas and renewable companies who don't want nuclear, and who spend an enormous
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/01/2025 10:43, D wrote:
Cooling kills 10x the people than warming. That is how cooling isIt is suitable for intermittent sources, yes. Nuclear is even better.
worse than warming. As for lack of water, desalination exists and
works well. Desalination can be combined excellently, with solar
power to drive down cost.
This is the truth! But I am curious if solar would be a good option in
say, southern spain to drive desalination, and in order to build the
plants quicker, due to the politicians doing their best to still stop
nuclear with the power of various regulations?
You forget that it is the people who do not want nuclear. It is proven
dangerous.
amount of money on negative propaganda and buying politicians and
regulators, who tell you that the people don't want nuclear.
In fact they do. Because it is the cleanest, cheapest and proven
*safest* method of generating electricity.
No, it is not the people who dont want nucler, it is the oil gas andWell, we know that, at some point, oil and gas will become scarce and expensive.
renewable companies who don't want nuclear, and who spend an enormous
amount of money on negative propaganda and buying politicians and
regulators, who tell you that the people don't want nuclear.
I'm not sure what's in the nuclear objection for "renewables", though.
On 08/01/2025 14:02, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
No, it is not the people who dont want nucler, it is the oil gas andWell, we know that, at some point, oil and gas will become scarce and
renewable companies who don't want nuclear, and who spend an enormous
amount of money on negative propaganda and buying politicians and
regulators, who tell you that the people don't want nuclear.
expensive.
I'm not sure what's in the nuclear objection for "renewables", though.
If you have a nuclear grid there is no point in having any renewable
energy whatsoever. It simply adds cost complexity and unreliability for
no benefit whatsoever.
Renewable companies are only too aware of the fact that widespread
adoption of nuclear power means the end of wind and solar.
I bought a TI99 somewhere in there. Had potential but TI kinda
screwed up in several dimensions. Users couldn't even get at the
16-bitter without ASM. The 9900 chip WAS kinda interesting with
hardware support for multi-user/multi-tasking and in-RAM register
cloning.
On 08/01/2025 01:30, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 18:49:19 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
It has to be the right religion though A religion that simply takes
all yiur wealth and prromises yuoi only hell if you get upset is not a
keeper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sja1UJM6Vgg
Lovely bit of shit kikkin country music.
I think I am a bit of a redneck, somewhere
I think robots and automation will save the day. They don't even have to
be automating/saving elderly care, they can automate/save menial office
jobs, and those workers can then move into elderly care instead of
fiddling around with meaningless powerpoints and excel spreadsheets all
day.
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On 08/01/2025 14:02, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
No, it is not the people who dont want nucler, it is the oil gas andWell, we know that, at some point, oil and gas will become scarce and
renewable companies who don't want nuclear, and who spend an enormous
amount of money on negative propaganda and buying politicians and
regulators, who tell you that the people don't want nuclear.
expensive.
I'm not sure what's in the nuclear objection for "renewables", though.
If you have a nuclear grid there is no point in having any renewable
energy whatsoever. It simply adds cost complexity and unreliability for
no benefit whatsoever.
Renewable companies are only too aware of the fact that widespread
adoption of nuclear power means the end of wind and solar.
None of that makes sense to me.
On 07/01/2025 13:23, Pancho wrote:
On 1/7/25 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Id rather have a sack of potatoes than be called by my correct self identifying pronoun...
On 07/01/2025 03:52, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Ain't gonna be MAGAI don't think so.
forever (GOP thinks it has four years to coast)
and soon enough the ultra-left will regain power.
Ultra left can only thrive in an affluent society, but they have no
idea how to create or maintain affluence.
As poverty kicks in, people are more concerned over potatoes than
pronouns.
I don't understand that comment.
For "ultra left" substitute religion. Historical evidence suggests itIt has to be the right religion though
can survive and flourish in very poor societies. A combination of
authoritarian government and the ideology of a "moral" quality that
supersedes wordly possessions.
A religion that simply takes all yiur wealth and prromises yuoi only
hell if you get upset is not a keeper.
Listening to the UK radio last night, a Labour politician was beingShe was of course simply lying. Or else acknowledging that nothing her government has done is popular, and because it hasn't done anything
questioned on whether Ed Milliband’s "Green new deal" was achievable,
realistic. Her response was that it was Labour's most popular policy.
Her metric for success was that it delivered Labour/herself political
power, and she was probably right, it does.
green yet, they are not being lambasted by that.
It was [probably the Boy Buiggering Communist's radio anyway,
I guess Germany is a little further down the "Green" path than the UK.Wait and see.
It will be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming elections.
I doubt we will see a significant correction.
It has to be the right religion though
A religion that simply takes all yiur wealth and prromises yuoi only
hell if you get upset is not a keeper.
How do you explain Jihadist Islam
Religion/ideology is like evolution, the selfish meme. It is a mistake
to presume it must be intrinsically good for adherents, as opposed to
just good at perpetuating itself, creating new adherents.
Its a dead cert with politicians, especially laboyr ones
Listening to the UK radio last night, a Labour politician was beingShe was of course simply lying. Or else acknowledging that nothing
questioned on whether Ed Milliband’s "Green new deal" was achievable,
realistic. Her response was that it was Labour's most popular policy.
Her metric for success was that it delivered Labour/herself political
power, and she was probably right, it does.
her government has done is popular, and because it hasn't done
anything green yet, they are not being lambasted by that.
I don't see how you know she was lying.
understand the issues. They just parrot some dogma they have read. This
isn't surprising given most politicians are lawyers or such like. They
don't really understand things, they just recite received wisdom.
You can't really blame them, you also see this deference to authority in
tech academics. They tell you some ivory tower bollocks, you point to
real life examples of why it is false, but they still stick to some
academic paper they can cite.
In practical terms, the important thing to a politician is that more
people vote for her when she says renewables.
It was [probably the Boy Buiggering Communist's radio anyway,
I think it was LBC (Iain Dale). Yes, I'm ashamed I listen to that
bollocks, but I was just listening while driving to the supermarket.
Anyway, given your academic background, you should be more circumspect
about accusing other organisations of consisting of communist homosexuals.
On 08/01/2025 16:32, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On 08/01/2025 14:02, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
No, it is not the people who dont want nucler, it is the oil gas and >>>>> renewable companies who don't want nuclear, and who spend an enormous >>>>> amount of money on negative propaganda and buying politicians andWell, we know that, at some point, oil and gas will become scarce and
regulators, who tell you that the people don't want nuclear.
expensive.
I'm not sure what's in the nuclear objection for "renewables", though.
If you have a nuclear grid there is no point in having any renewable
energy whatsoever. It simply adds cost complexity and unreliability for
no benefit whatsoever.
Renewable companies are only too aware of the fact that widespread
adoption of nuclear power means the end of wind and solar.
None of that makes sense to me.
That is not my fault. I said it in as few syllables as I could, that renewable energy intests are totally threatened by nuclear power, Is
that simple enough for you?
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On 08/01/2025 16:32, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On 08/01/2025 14:02, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
If you have a nuclear grid there is no point in having any renewableNo, it is not the people who dont want nucler, it is the oil gas and >>>>>> renewable companies who don't want nuclear, and who spend an enormous >>>>>> amount of money on negative propaganda and buying politicians andWell, we know that, at some point, oil and gas will become scarce and >>>>> expensive.
regulators, who tell you that the people don't want nuclear.
I'm not sure what's in the nuclear objection for "renewables", though. >>>>
energy whatsoever. It simply adds cost complexity and unreliability for >>>> no benefit whatsoever.
Renewable companies are only too aware of the fact that widespread
adoption of nuclear power means the end of wind and solar.
None of that makes sense to me.
That is not my fault. I said it in as few syllables as I could, that
renewable energy intests are totally threatened by nuclear power, Is
that simple enough for you?
No, it's too simple. Probably simplistic as well.
I don't see how widespread adoption of nukes means the end of wind and solar, when those two coexist right now with oil/gas/coal generated power.
And it seems to be that the infrastructure for distributing electricity
is the same once it leaves the generating plant.
But obviously my thought on this is not well informed.
rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:27:32 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
You're racist for even talking about it! :-D
"Coloured folks?"
Who came up with BIPOC? Or NAACP for that matter? By the time I was a
kid 'colored' was out and 'negro' was in. Now we're back to 'people of
color'?
That means they're colored, right?
Why don't you walk up to a "colored man" and call them that? A good
test!
I don't see how widespread adoption of nukes means the end of wind and
solar,
when those two coexist right now with oil/gas/coal generated power.
And it seems to be that the infrastructure for distributing electricity
is the same once it leaves the generating plant.
How do you explain Jihadist Islam?
Religion/ideology is like evolution, the selfish meme. It is a mistake
to presume it must be intrinsically good for adherents, as opposed to
just good at perpetuating itself, creating new adherents.
The salient point is that the fuel cost of nuclear is minimal. Once
built fuelled and serviced the opportunity cost of generating
electricity is pretty much zero. Whatever else you put on the grid
nuclear can and will always undercut it to allow as much of the asset to generate income
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/01/2025 10:43, D wrote:
Cooling kills 10x the people than warming. That is how cooling isIt is suitable for intermittent sources, yes. Nuclear is even better.
worse than warming. As for lack of water, desalination exists and
works well. Desalination can be combined excellently, with solar
power to drive down cost.
This is the truth! But I am curious if solar would be a good option in
say, southern spain to drive desalination, and in order to build the
plants quicker, due to the politicians doing their best to still stop
nuclear with the power of various regulations?
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 18:34:06 +0000, Pancho wrote:
How do you explain Jihadist Islam?
Religion/ideology is like evolution, the selfish meme. It is a mistake
to presume it must be intrinsically good for adherents, as opposed to
just good at perpetuating itself, creating new adherents.
https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/heresy-of-mohammed-10817
Belloc had a good explanation of why Islam didn't fade away like Arianism
or other Christian heresies.
"Millions of modern people of the white civilization_that is, the civilization of Europe and America_have forgotten all about Islam. They
have never come in contact with it. they take for granted that it is decaying, and that, anyway, it is just a foreign religion which will not concern them. It is, as a fact, the most formidable and persistent enemy which our civilization has had, and may at any moment become as large a menace in the future as it has been in the past."
He wrote that in 1938.
On 08/01/2025 14:02, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
No, it is not the people who dont want nucler, it is the oil gas andWell, we know that, at some point, oil and gas will become scarce and
renewable companies who don't want nuclear, and who spend an enormous
amount of money on negative propaganda and buying politicians and
regulators, who tell you that the people don't want nuclear.
expensive.
I'm not sure what's in the nuclear objection for "renewables", though.
If you have a nuclear grid there is no point in having any renewable
energy whatsoever. It simply adds cost complexity and unreliability for
no benefit whatsoever.
Renewable companies are only too aware of the fact that widespread
adoption of nuclear power means the end of wind and solar.
The Ottomans failed to take
Europe (thank Vlad The Impaler) ... but it seems Europe has completed
their goal.
On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 00:19:36 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
The Ottomans failed to take
Europe (thank Vlad The Impaler) ... but it seems Europe has completed
their goal.
You might want to thank the people at Leponto, the iege of Vienna, and the Battle of Vienna too. The Ottomans didn't stop trying until 1683. Vlad was only a warm up.
but the cost of
generation is only zero if you defer maintenance to the point where it
isn't worthwhile.
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 15:00:16 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
I don't see how widespread adoption of nukes means the end of wind and
solar,
when those two coexist right now with oil/gas/coal generated power.
For the most part the wind and solar projects are subsidized for political reasons. If nuclear generated power was cheaper and wasn't limited like fossil fuels what would be the rationale?
And it seems to be that the infrastructure for distributing electricity
is the same once it leaves the generating plant.
There's the rub. In the US effective solar is limited to the southwest. Suitable wind sites are more widely distributed but both are often far
from where the energy is needed. Iowa has wind capability but the infrastructure to bring it to Chicago is lacking. I'm not going to hunt up
a cite but I believe almost all current nuclear plants are within 75 miles
of the area they service.
<snip>
As I've said many times before - we need to use EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT now
(except coal if we can possibly help it).
TRICK is to thwart the zealots - use energy sources where MOST
APPROPRIATE. If solar fits the bill for certain projects, then use solar.
If in a windy place then windmills might do it. If oil-burning powerplants
are the best fit, use them. If nuke plants are to be had, use them for big
Grid stuff.
It's zealotry and fanaticism that's causing most of the problems these
days. Every faction sees THEIR fix as the One And Only and will fight
everybody else. Logic, evidence, economics, all go Bye Bye.
And even coal, the techniques/chemistry to convert it into methanol and
ethanol are now pretty good. The nasty sulfur and heavy metals are left
behind. Some can be re-sold for various industrial applications.
On 08/01/2025 10:24, D wrote:
I think robots and automation will save the day. They don't even have to be >> automating/saving elderly care, they can automate/save menial office jobs, >> and those workers can then move into elderly care instead of fiddling
around with meaningless powerpoints and excel spreadsheets all day.
Everyone wins! =D
That doesn't solve the debt crisis. Somehow all the debts of the past have to be repaid with taxes from today. If there are no people working, what do you tax instead?
On 07/01/2025 21:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
He's also done some racist posts;
So what?
So have you.
On 08/01/2025 09:50, D wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/01/2025 01:38, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Know how to knap a flint spearhead ?
Just about. Might take a few months though
A lot of basic technology isn't hard to implement once you have the right >>> idea.
Spinning weaving and sewing are easy enough as is knitting etc.
Bows and arrows potters wheels and pole lathes are all easily built.
Knowing that iron ore exists and can be smelted with charcoal and a
bellows takes you past the Bronze age quickly.
As does basic knowledge of fertilisers and animal husbandry.
Of course there wont be enough to keep millennial snowflakes alive whose >>> only skill is tapping a touchscreen.
I hear you are well prepared for the reign of Starmer! ;)
I am not sure he is going to last the course.
It will inevitably get worse until to paraphrase Churchill 'every other alternative has been tried'
In times of plenty people let the parasites in government talk bollocks and award themselves fat salaries.
If they don't interfere, generally the economy survives. But once get an idealist in place, and they cant resist the urge to tamper with what works, with no regard for unintended consequences.
Whilst I am no panic stricken Liberal, I also wonder how the Donald will cope with more power than he has ever had in his life, either
Buy popcorn futures....
On 08/01/2025 10:16, D wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, -hh wrote:
On 1/7/25 5:35 PM, chrisv wrote:
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Adios. You've been down this road before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOAUsvVhgsU
Here's an excellant documentary on climate change. An hour and 20
minutes of quality information.
Where its so-called "quality" is that its already been debunked:
<https://skepticalscience.com/climate-the-movie-a-hot-mess-of-cold-myths.html>
I'd bet money that Chris A won't watch it.
Why waste 80 minutes watching something when a 3 minute Google search
affords one the salient insight on its lack of veracity?
-hh
Actually, that is the best proof you can find that the movie is on to
something. If it would be mainstream, no one would bother writing a line,
or if it would be made by the climate royalty, it would be hyped by CNN &
Co.
Thank you, now I will definitely watch it! =)
If anyone is in a position to debunk skeptical science it is me.
The very first post I made using a different than usual nom de guerre, criticising not climate change, but renewable energy, Skepticalscience informed me and the public, to my surprise that I was a 'well known climate denier ' whose ideas had 'already been debunked by skeptical science'.
Skepticalscience.com is a well known climate denial site pushing fake information to support a false climate narrative. It isn't skeptical and it certainly isn't sciencee. It is pure AgitProp left wing propaganda
On 08/01/2025 09:53, D wrote:
But the question is... who owns Trump?
Almighty God, some people think
It rather put my trust in a v8.
On 2025-01-08 10:54, D wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/01/2025 10:43, D wrote:
Cooling kills 10x the people than warming. That is how cooling is worse >>>> than warming. As for lack of water, desalination exists and works well. >>>> Desalination can be combined excellently, with solar power to drive down >>>> cost.It is suitable for intermittent sources, yes. Nuclear is even better.
This is the truth! But I am curious if solar would be a good option in say, >> southern spain to drive desalination, and in order to build the plants
quicker, due to the politicians doing their best to still stop nuclear with >> the power of various regulations?
You forget that it is the people who do not want nuclear. It is proven dangerous.
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:24:36 +0100, D wrote:
I think robots and automation will save the day. They don't even have to
be automating/saving elderly care, they can automate/save menial office
jobs, and those workers can then move into elderly care instead of
fiddling around with meaningless powerpoints and excel spreadsheets all
day.
I think I've mentioned Kurt Vonnegut's first novel, 'Player Piano'. You should read it. He saw your shining future in the '50s.
On 08/01/2025 16:27, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:yep. in that instance i am.
On 08/01/2025 13:59, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Nah, we're not thinking in terms of race with that accusation, we're
thinking
in terms of*bigotry* as expressed by denigration of a whole group of
people
based on race.
I'll leave that to the coloured folks who see themselves as distinct and >>> oppressed by 'the white folks'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzlLi5jX_C4
Sam Cooke [What a] Wonderful World
A more complete view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56u6g0POvo0
Devo - "Beautiful World"
'White privilege' is racist. 'Black lives matter' is racist. As are the
black police association and the black lawyer association. And
fundamental Islam.
The list is endless.
You're racist for even talking about it! :-D
"Coloured folks?"
But I didnt start the conversation. If you want to see the world in racial terms ,I would merely point out that the vast majority of racists are in fact 'non white'
On 08/01/2025 18:34, Pancho wrote:
Its similar in most respects to German jihadism,. Mein Kampf=jihad=my struggle.It has to be the right religion though
A religion that simply takes all yiur wealth and prromises yuoi only hell >>> if you get upset is not a keeper.
How do you explain Jihadist Islam
The operational parameters of the metaphysics are identical.
- a master race, struggling against a world full of oppressive other races, especially jews - who it is perfectly moral to lie to, kill, defraud, commit genocide, rape torture and and maim, because they *are not really human*.
And apart from these things obliterating the subconscious shame you feel at being 600 years behind the times, stupid as fuck and inbred to boot, it gives you a feeling of power and purpose and a promise of [s]lots of virgins in the after life, after you have run out of the ones on the local council estate.
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
You forget that it is the people who do not want nuclear. It is proven
dangerous.
This is factually incorrect. If you cound the nr of dead, coal, hydro and solar have all killed more people than nuclear.
Remember the death count at Fukushima due to radiation... it is firmly at
0.
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 13:05:19 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:27:32 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
You're racist for even talking about it! :-D
"Coloured folks?"
Who came up with BIPOC? Or NAACP for that matter? By the time I was a
kid 'colored' was out and 'negro' was in. Now we're back to 'people of
color'?
That means they're colored, right?
Why don't you walk up to a "colored man" and call them that? A good
test!
I don't care for 'Mad Dog' Mattis but he did have one good quote in him:
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet."
On 2025-01-08 08:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/01/2025 12:19, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:Anyone who says someone is racist, is a racist.
On 07/01/2025 21:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
He's also done some racist posts;
So what?
So have you.
Show me such a post or stfu.
That is someone who thinks in terms of race. And discriminates on the
grounds of 'race'
The worst part is that people who are objectively faggots, also known as "the left," are pushing the narrative that there is no race but the human race. With that in mind, how the heck is it even possible to be a racist? Since he is dim-witted in addition to taking it up the ass, he believes in two contradictory truths simultaneously: everyone is a racist but there is no such thing as race.
On 2025-01-08 19:42, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 17:53:21 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
Someone was circulating the theory that Trump's (and Musk's) desire to
annex both Canada and Greenland is the result of wanting access to the
minerals there, which are crucial to the development of electric
vehicles. I would imagine that there are lots of strategic military
reasons too. Maybe the man isn't joking...
https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/china-arctic-russia/
Shipping, gas, oil, minerals, fisheries... Historically, Denmark hasn't
done well protecting its interests since the Danish-Hanseatic War and
certainly can't defend Greenland nor is an independent Greenland feasible. >>
Canada is a far reach but with Trudeau the Lesser quitting, who knows. The >> SAM provinces might be weighing which is worse, DC or Ottawa.
There will be lots of resistance simply because Canadians have traditionally seen themselves as "better" than Americans and don't want to be a part of the "inferior" culture. In reality, there is nothing better here except for the women in Quebec. They look better than what the US produces, but they're just as dim.
On 1/8/25 7:51 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 18:34:06 +0000, Pancho wrote:
How do you explain Jihadist Islam?
Religion/ideology is like evolution, the selfish meme. It is a mistake
to presume it must be intrinsically good for adherents, as opposed to
just good at perpetuating itself, creating new adherents.
https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/heresy-of-mohammed-10817
Belloc had a good explanation of why Islam didn't fade away like Arianism
or other Christian heresies.
"Millions of modern people of the white civilization_that is, the
civilization of Europe and America_have forgotten all about Islam. They
have never come in contact with it. they take for granted that it is
decaying, and that, anyway, it is just a foreign religion which will not
concern them. It is, as a fact, the most formidable and persistent enemy
which our civilization has had, and may at any moment become as large a
menace in the future as it has been in the past."
He wrote that in 1938.
Islam has proven to be a very robust meme. Adherents
quickly become immersed, saturated, with the ideology.
It explicitly includes doing Very Bad Things to all
infidels/heretics. Like the crusaders take on the
christian religion it DEMANDS being spread to all
at ANY cost by ANY means.
Bad enough in an age of slings and arrows ...
Post WW-1, after the Brits badly (intentionally)
divided up a lot of Islamic nations/territories,
there WAS a perception that it would just kinda
fade away. Instead the divisions spawned little
wars, then bigger wars - and extremism.
Today, bet that at LEAST Iran are de-facto nuclear
powers. Islam has taken over much of Africa, and
thus its vast resources. Poor immigration thinking
has imported large quantities of Islamics into
the belly of Europe - enough to be of considerable
political influence. The Ottomans failed to take
Europe (thank Vlad The Impaler) ... but it seems
Europe has completed their goal.
This all just ain't good ....
And that's just religion. Add usual politics and
ambition on top.
First of all, The Natural Philosopher seems to be ignoring the costs (and paranoia) of storing the spent nukes safely.
Second, it seems to me that the "renewables" would still be useful to "fill inWith nuclear, there are no 'gaps that need filling'. Or if there are, intermittent renewables cannot be relied upon to fill them
the gaps" in service. But here I'll stop.
186282@ud0s4.net wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
<snip>
As I've said many times before - we need to use EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT now >> (except coal if we can possibly help it).
TRICK is to thwart the zealots - use energy sources where MOST
APPROPRIATE. If solar fits the bill for certain projects, then use solar.
If in a windy place then windmills might do it. If oil-burning powerplants
are the best fit, use them. If nuke plants are to be had, use them for big
Grid stuff.
It's zealotry and fanaticism that's causing most of the problems these >> days. Every faction sees THEIR fix as the One And Only and will fight
everybody else. Logic, evidence, economics, all go Bye Bye.
And even coal, the techniques/chemistry to convert it into methanol and >> ethanol are now pretty good. The nasty sulfur and heavy metals are left >> behind. Some can be re-sold for various industrial applications.
I agree with this post!
Put your energy eggs in many baskets.
Whilst I am no panic stricken Liberal, I also wonder how the Donald
will cope with more power than he has ever had in his life, either
Buy popcorn futures....
This is the truth! I am very much popping popcorn as we speak, and
enjoying Trumps hyperbole massively. It is also very enjoyable to watch naive, socialist politician take every sentence of Trumps literally.
On 2025-01-09, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
You forget that it is the people who do not want nuclear. It is proven
dangerous.
This is factually incorrect. If you cound the nr of dead, coal, hydro and
solar have all killed more people than nuclear.
Remember the death count at Fukushima due to radiation... it is firmly at
0.
Ditto for Three Mile Island, which to this day I take as an example of
how safe nuclear is. Total meltdown, but no casualties.
Meanwhile, how many people have been hit by coal trains or died a
slow lingering death from black lung?
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/01/2025 18:34, Pancho wrote:
Its similar in most respects to German jihadism,. Mein Kampf=jihad=myIt has to be the right religion though
A religion that simply takes all yiur wealth and prromises yuoi only
hell if you get upset is not a keeper.
How do you explain Jihadist Islam
struggle.
The operational parameters of the metaphysics are identical.
- a master race, struggling against a world full of oppressive other
races, especially jews - who it is perfectly moral to lie to, kill,
defraud, commit genocide, rape torture and and maim, because they *are
not really human*.
And apart from these things obliterating the subconscious shame you
feel at being 600 years behind the times, stupid as fuck and inbred to
boot, it gives you a feeling of power and purpose and a promise of
[s]lots of virgins in the after life, after you have run out of the
ones on the local council estate.
Excellent analysis of islam. This sounds like the beginning of a book perhaps?
=)
How much more beautiful on a scale from 1 to
10 would you say the women in Quebec are, than the women in the US? What
made them so beautiful?
If you want odd-ish religions, note the Slavic mythology ... it was
clearly influenced by Vedic/Hindu elements despite being so far away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_paganism
As my father always says... thank god I don't have to experience that
mess!
On 09/01/2025 16:18, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
186282@ud0s4.net wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:Bollocks. Lets have diversity in car wheels,. Sqauare one, eggs shaped
<snip>
As I've said many times before - we need to use EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT now
(except coal if we can possibly help it).
TRICK is to thwart the zealots - use energy sources where MOST
APPROPRIATE. If solar fits the bill for certain projects, then use solar.
If in a windy place then windmills might do it. If oil-burning powerplants
are the best fit, use them. If nuke plants are to be had, use them for big
Grid stuff.
It's zealotry and fanaticism that's causing most of the problems these >>> days. Every faction sees THEIR fix as the One And Only and will fight >>> everybody else. Logic, evidence, economics, all go Bye Bye.
And even coal, the techniques/chemistry to convert it into methanol and >>> ethanol are now pretty good. The nasty sulfur and heavy metals are left >>> behind. Some can be re-sold for various industrial applications.
I agree with this post!
Put your energy eggs in many baskets.
ones. Why have them all round?
We had a more reliable grid when it was 90$% coal.
France gets by at 75% nuclear.
In mots cases 'diversity' just makes things worse, a single standard
design that works well is far far cheaper.
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On 09/01/2025 16:18, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
186282@ud0s4.net wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:Bollocks. Lets have diversity in car wheels,. Sqauare one, eggs shaped
<snip>
As I've said many times before - we need to use EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT now
(except coal if we can possibly help it).
TRICK is to thwart the zealots - use energy sources where MOST
APPROPRIATE. If solar fits the bill for certain projects, then use solar.
If in a windy place then windmills might do it. If oil-burning powerplants
are the best fit, use them. If nuke plants are to be had, use them for big
Grid stuff.
It's zealotry and fanaticism that's causing most of the problems these
days. Every faction sees THEIR fix as the One And Only and will fight >>>> everybody else. Logic, evidence, economics, all go Bye Bye.
And even coal, the techniques/chemistry to convert it into methanol and
ethanol are now pretty good. The nasty sulfur and heavy metals are left
behind. Some can be re-sold for various industrial applications.
I agree with this post!
Put your energy eggs in many baskets.
ones. Why have them all round?
That's a really lame rebuttal.
We had a more reliable grid when it was 90$% coal.
France gets by at 75% nuclear.
In mots cases 'diversity' just makes things worse, a single standard
design that works well is far far cheaper.
That almost *never* happens.
On 1/10/25 2:27 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Ok, there was too much to snip/edit there ...
However I *do* ascribe to the principle of
'eggs & baskets'. We need to develop *everything*
and keep it ALL 'in the mix' just because. That's
the best survival strategy. Monolithic, single
niche, has been the doom of most species on earth.
Darwin CAN enlighten outside mere biology
(within sane limits).
PVs, eventually and in conjunction with good
energy-storage methods, are perfectly good and
viable for many apps. You can do it Just Because
you WANT to do it, even if a nuke grid IS
to be had.
I live in a 'disaster zone'. I've got the utility
wires, a generator AND some PV panels that can
charge batteries and even make a little AC line
voltage. This is LAYERS, alternatives. NO one
thing is gonna always be reliable.
PVs CAN, eventually, eclipse traditional and
nuke power sources/grids. They're not there yet,
but - maybe - there's a longer future where they
can reach full potential. It's a Good Idea.
Now the neat trick is to program a Linux Pi
or something to smartly, promptly, intelligently,
switch between all yer layers as-needed.
On 09/01/2025 20:38, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:It almost *always* happens.
On 09/01/2025 16:18, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
186282@ud0s4.net wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:Bollocks. Lets have diversity in car wheels,. Sqauare one, eggs shaped
<snip>I agree with this post!
As I've said many times before - we need to use EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT now
(except coal if we can possibly help it).
TRICK is to thwart the zealots - use energy sources where MOST
APPROPRIATE. If solar fits the bill for certain projects, then use solar.
If in a windy place then windmills might do it. If oil-burning powerplants
are the best fit, use them. If nuke plants are to be had, use them for big
Grid stuff.
It's zealotry and fanaticism that's causing most of the problems these
days. Every faction sees THEIR fix as the One And Only and will fight
everybody else. Logic, evidence, economics, all go Bye Bye.
And even coal, the techniques/chemistry to convert it into methanol and
ethanol are now pretty good. The nasty sulfur and heavy metals are left
behind. Some can be re-sold for various industrial applications. >>>>
Put your energy eggs in many baskets.
ones. Why have them all round?
That's a really lame rebuttal.
We had a more reliable grid when it was 90$% coal.
France gets by at 75% nuclear.
In mots cases 'diversity' just makes things worse, a single standard
design that works well is far far cheaper.
That almost *never* happens.
You just do not notice it.
The natural tendency in a free market is that the best technology rises
to the top, becomes ubiquitous, and everybody uses it. Diversity in technology is not desirable,. Diversity in its application is, somewhat.
So e.g,. its probably better to have 10 small modular reactors spread
around a city than have one huge reactor and its grid connection as as single point of failure.
What *you* call diversity is like having bike pedals in your car in
case the engine fails.
Why do all airliners basically look extremely similar?
Because that shape ahas evolved to be the most cost effective.
Why do cargo ships all look the same?
Because that shape ahas evolved to be the most cost effective.
Why do all bicycles look similar?
Because that shape ahas evolved to be the most cost effective.
Why , despite its drawbacks, do we persist with keyboard layouts that
exist because of the limitations of mechanical typewriters?
Because we have got used to that STANDARD and it would be a pain to
retrain all those touch typists.
Why aren't we still using CRT monitors?
Because LCDS, once the trillion dollar investment in manufacturing plant
has been made, are simply better, smaller, lighter and more efficient.
Everything that is manufactured, benifits from large scale robotized
mass production of identical items, that people understand how to use
and how to fix. So that service personnel do not have to be trained in a million different types and spares suppliers do not need to carry
inventory for a million different products.
Diversity is a technical term that was taken by non technical people and utterly misunderstood to justify wasting money on things that didn't
work, simply because they were 'different'.
Diversity - when its a good thing - means multiple copies of the same technology, not multiple different technologies.
The natural tendency in a free market is that the best technology rises
to the top, becomes ubiquitous, and everybody uses it. Diversity in technology is not desirable,. Diversity in its application is, somewhat.
On 10/01/2025 08:34, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/10/25 2:27 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Ok, there was too much to snip/edit there ...
However I *do* ascribe to the principle of
'eggs & baskets'. We need to develop *everything*
and keep it ALL 'in the mix' just because. That's
the best survival strategy. Monolithic, single
niche, has been the doom of most species on earth.
Darwin CAN enlighten outside mere biology
(within sane limits).
PVs, eventually and in conjunction with good
energy-storage methods, are perfectly good and
viable for many apps. You can do it Just Because
you WANT to do it, even if a nuke grid IS
to be had.
There are no suitable storage methods. Or we would have used them years
ago,
Fine. Now look ta the cost of all that versus cheap nuclear grid
I live in a 'disaster zone'. I've got the utility
wires, a generator AND some PV panels that can
charge batteries and even make a little AC line
voltage. This is LAYERS, alternatives. NO one
thing is gonna always be reliable.
electricity.
My sister in S Africa has been forced to do the same. Fortunately there
is a lot of sun and its warm so they dont need to use their batteries to
stay warm. And they cant cook, but that's what barbecues are for.
This is only cost effective if the actual market for electricity is broken.
And its mostly broken because of government interference and subsidising 'renewables'
PVs CAN, eventually, eclipse traditional andNo. They can't. Not without massively expensive storage that simply
nuke power sources/grids. They're not there yet,
but - maybe - there's a longer future where they
can reach full potential. It's a Good Idea.
doesn't exist and no one knows how to build.
Now the neat trick is to program a Linux Pi
or something to smartly, promptly, intelligently,
switch between all yer layers as-needed.
Switching between an array of zeros will always still produce a zero Connecting permanently to a single reliable non zero is way cheaper.
On 2025-01-09, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
You forget that it is the people who do not want nuclear. It is proven
dangerous.
This is factually incorrect. If you cound the nr of dead, coal, hydro and
solar have all killed more people than nuclear.
Remember the death count at Fukushima due to radiation... it is firmly at
0.
Ditto for Three Mile Island, which to this day I take as an example of
how safe nuclear is. Total meltdown, but no casualties.
Meanwhile, how many people have been hit by coal trains or died a
slow lingering death from black lung?
On 2025-01-09 11:56, D wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:27:32 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
You're racist for even talking about it! :-D
"Coloured folks?"
Who came up with BIPOC? Or NAACP for that matter? By the time I was a kid >>> 'colored' was out and 'negro' was in. Now we're back to 'people of color'? >>> That means they're colored, right?
This is the truth! I remember when I was in school, the english teacher
liked negro, while the german teacher said that was racist and preferred
colored.
I stuck with the negro. I've made my choice! ;)
They want us to believe that simply saying "black" is racist now. I assume that's part of that white privilege I keep hearing about, having my language be double-checked for political correctness.
On 09/01/2025 16:16, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
First of all, The Natural Philosopher seems to be ignoring the costs (andThere are no high costs. Only political campaigning...
paranoia) of storing the spent nukes safely.
Second, it seems to me that the "renewables" would still be useful to "fill >> inWith nuclear, there are no 'gaps that need filling'. Or if there are, intermittent renewables cannot be relied upon to fill them
the gaps" in service. But here I'll stop.
On 09/01/2025 16:18, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
186282@ud0s4.net wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:Bollocks. Lets have diversity in car wheels,. Sqauare one, eggs shaped ones. Why have them all round?
<snip>
As I've said many times before - we need to use EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT >>> now
(except coal if we can possibly help it).
TRICK is to thwart the zealots - use energy sources where MOST
APPROPRIATE. If solar fits the bill for certain projects, then use
solar.
If in a windy place then windmills might do it. If oil-burning
powerplants
are the best fit, use them. If nuke plants are to be had, use them for >>> big
Grid stuff.
It's zealotry and fanaticism that's causing most of the problems these >>> days. Every faction sees THEIR fix as the One And Only and will fight >>> everybody else. Logic, evidence, economics, all go Bye Bye.
And even coal, the techniques/chemistry to convert it into methanol
and
ethanol are now pretty good. The nasty sulfur and heavy metals are
left
behind. Some can be re-sold for various industrial applications.
I agree with this post!
Put your energy eggs in many baskets.
We had a more reliable grid when it was 90$% coal.
France gets by at 75% nuclear.
In mots cases 'diversity' just makes things worse, a single standard design that works well is far far cheaper.
On 09/01/2025 16:48, D wrote:
Whilst I am no panic stricken Liberal, I also wonder how the Donald will >>> cope with more power than he has ever had in his life, either
Buy popcorn futures....
This is the truth! I am very much popping popcorn as we speak, and enjoying >> Trumps hyperbole massively. It is also very enjoyable to watch naive,
socialist politician take every sentence of Trumps literally.
The Liberal socialist simply lie to the electorate all the time and expect to be believed. They cannot understand that the Donald also lies all the time to, but he's pranking them half the time and doesn't expect to be believed.
On 09/01/2025 16:56, D wrote:
Ive always felt colored to be more offensive than nigger, and negro probably the least offensiive term, but its all stupid. Ive heard nigger both used as a term of endearment and as a term to describe a stupid black person as well - by blacks.
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:27:32 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
You're racist for even talking about it! :-D
"Coloured folks?"
Who came up with BIPOC? Or NAACP for that matter? By the time I was a kid >>> 'colored' was out and 'negro' was in. Now we're back to 'people of color'? >>> That means they're colored, right?
This is the truth! I remember when I was in school, the english teacher
liked negro, while the german teacher said that was racist and preferred
colored.
I stuck with the negro. I've made my choice! ;)
In this country as in Africa, if you want to refer to anything, you probably use a far more detailed description. Like afro carribean, or Pakistani, or Indian, or Chinese, or arab, or Welsh or Scottish, or Irish...or Iranian...Because no way does one word cover everything that isn't 'just like you'
On 09/01/2025 17:55, D wrote:
I had an Islamic GF once, And a Jewish one. I know whereof I speak.
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/01/2025 18:34, Pancho wrote:
Its similar in most respects to German jihadism,. Mein Kampf=jihad=myIt has to be the right religion though
A religion that simply takes all yiur wealth and prromises yuoi only >>>>> hell if you get upset is not a keeper.
How do you explain Jihadist Islam
struggle.
The operational parameters of the metaphysics are identical.
- a master race, struggling against a world full of oppressive other
races, especially jews - who it is perfectly moral to lie to, kill,
defraud, commit genocide, rape torture and and maim, because they *are not >>> really human*.
And apart from these things obliterating the subconscious shame you feel >>> at being 600 years behind the times, stupid as fuck and inbred to boot, it >>> gives you a feeling of power and purpose and a promise of [s]lots of
virgins in the after life, after you have run out of the ones on the local >>> council estate.
Excellent analysis of islam. This sounds like the beginning of a book
perhaps?
=)
Shame drives the middle east to misplaced pride and hatred.
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 07:27:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The natural tendency in a free market is that the best technology rises
to the top, becomes ubiquitous, and everybody uses it. Diversity in
technology is not desirable,. Diversity in its application is, somewhat.
Like natural selection I would say an adequate technology rises to the
top, not always the best.
On 09/01/2025 18:01, D wrote:
Greenalnd is not formally part of the EU any more. It is associated, only.
On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 17:53:21 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
Someone was circulating the theory that Trump's (and Musk's) desire to >>>> annex both Canada and Greenland is the result of wanting access to the >>>> minerals there, which are crucial to the development of electric
vehicles. I would imagine that there are lots of strategic military
reasons too. Maybe the man isn't joking...
https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/china-arctic-russia/
Shipping, gas, oil, minerals, fisheries... Historically, Denmark hasn't >>> done well protecting its interests since the Danish-Hanseatic War and
certainly can't defend Greenland nor is an independent Greenland feasible. >>>
Canada is a far reach but with Trudeau the Lesser quitting, who knows. The >>> SAM provinces might be weighing which is worse, DC or Ottawa.
I don't understand why the US doesn't just bribe their way to greenland?
Promise every inhabintant 1 MUSD in subsidies or some kind of government
money, and then have a "vote".
Since the EU is bound by democratic values, and, since greenland legally is >> allowed to vote for independence, they would be forced to accept a yes to
greenlandish independence.
Once independent, it is then up to them to discuss joining the US.
Argument over, and the EU would not be able to criticize a democratic vote >> by the people.
Wanna bet? Criticising peoples votes is a global fashion these days.
On 09/01/2025 18:52, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jan 2025 06:56:46 -0600, chrisv wrote:Not paywalled for me...
Greenland would be a great place to put all the wannabe migrants. Let
them prove their worth there, for a few years, before letting them into
the mainland.
Norway tried that. "We're going to lodge you at a luxury resort -- north
of the Arctic Circle" .
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-sweden-
idUSKBN0U207Y20151219/
It's a paywall but you can see enough to get the idea.
No. A bug 500HW Diesl generatirs is betterSwitching between an array of zeros will always still produce a zero
Connecting permanently to a single reliable non zero is way cheaper.
Not YET.
As such PVs are still best suited for 'off-grid' apps.
Some large power companies though have installed HUGE
farms of PVs - they boost the grid during the day when
most power is being used.
build new conventional power plants which are gawdawfully
expensive and over-regulated these days.
Used THAT way, they don't NEED "storage".
On 2025-01-10 07:55, chrisv wrote:
-hh wrote:
(snip stuff from the same guy who defended censorship because it was by
"private companies" who were being told to do it by the Biden
administration)
Some of us value freedom more than others, obviously.
I had a reminder of that yesterday actually. I have a chunk of movies ripped from DVDs and Blu-Rays on a portable SSD, and others are purchased from the Microsoft Store. If I show a movie to a class from the former and a few students were absent, I can upload the movie to Teams and they can catch up at their leisure. With the latter, they're completely fucked. I am actually mad that I allowed myself to believe that it made sense to buy DRM-enabled movies.
On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 09/01/2025 16:16, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
First of all, The Natural Philosopher seems to be ignoring the costsThere are no high costs. Only political campaigning...
(and
paranoia) of storing the spent nukes safely.
Second, it seems to me that the "renewables" would still be useful toWith nuclear, there are no 'gaps that need filling'. Or if there are,
"fill in
the gaps" in service. But here I'll stop.
intermittent renewables cannot be relied upon to fill them
Let me add here that all nuclear waste is not created the same. The vast majority of nuclear waste can be safely disposed of within a few 100
years. I think it's perhaps 1% or at most 5% that must be stored safely
for thousands of years.
When this is discussed, you never hear about this distinction.
Also note that modern reactors currently in research stage, can be
fueled by old nuclear waste which is very economical and very
environmentally friendly.
Ergo... we have all science and technology to solve the entire energy
problem of the human race. The only thing preventing us is politicians
and emotional arguments.
On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-01-09, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
You forget that it is the people who do not want nuclear. It is proven >>>> dangerous.
This is factually incorrect. If you cound the nr of dead, coal, hydro
and
solar have all killed more people than nuclear.
Remember the death count at Fukushima due to radiation... it is
firmly at
0.
Ditto for Three Mile Island, which to this day I take as an example of
how safe nuclear is. Total meltdown, but no casualties.
Meanwhile, how many people have been hit by coal trains or died a
slow lingering death from black lung?
One of the most fascinating statistics I've found when looking at solar
is that it has a significant amount of people who died, when the owner
wanted to adjust something on the roof, climbed up and fell down. This
figure and related deaths is very interesting.
On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 09/01/2025 16:18, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
186282@ud0s4.net wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:Bollocks. Lets have diversity in car wheels,. Sqauare one, eggs shaped
<snip>I agree with this post!
As I've said many times before - we need to use EVERYTHING WE'VE >>>> GOT now
(except coal if we can possibly help it).
TRICK is to thwart the zealots - use energy sources where MOST
APPROPRIATE. If solar fits the bill for certain projects, then
use solar.
If in a windy place then windmills might do it. If oil-burning
powerplants
are the best fit, use them. If nuke plants are to be had, use
them for big
Grid stuff.
It's zealotry and fanaticism that's causing most of the problems >>>> these
days. Every faction sees THEIR fix as the One And Only and will >>>> fight
everybody else. Logic, evidence, economics, all go Bye Bye.
And even coal, the techniques/chemistry to convert it into
methanol and
ethanol are now pretty good. The nasty sulfur and heavy metals
are left
behind. Some can be re-sold for various industrial applications. >>>
Put your energy eggs in many baskets.
ones. Why have them all round?
We had a more reliable grid when it was 90$% coal.
France gets by at 75% nuclear.
In mots cases 'diversity' just makes things worse, a single standard
design that works well is far far cheaper.
This is the truth! There is a very proven and well known concept called economy of scale. It makes modern life possible.
What we need to take care of when it comes to nuclear, is the supply
chain. We would not want to build an energy system that is based on a
supply chain that is under russian or chinese control. This is not so good.
On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:And Nigra.
On 09/01/2025 16:56, D wrote:
Ive always felt colored to be more offensive than nigger, and negro
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:27:32 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
You're racist for even talking about it! :-D
"Coloured folks?"
Who came up with BIPOC? Or NAACP for that matter? By the time I was
a kid
'colored' was out and 'negro' was in. Now we're back to 'people of
color'?
That means they're colored, right?
This is the truth! I remember when I was in school, the english
teacher liked negro, while the german teacher said that was racist
and preferred colored.
I stuck with the negro. I've made my choice! ;)
probably the least offensiive term, but its all stupid. Ive heard
nigger both used as a term of endearment and as a term to describe a
stupid black person as well - by blacks.
In this country as in Africa, if you want to refer to anything, you
probably use a far more detailed description. Like afro carribean, or
Pakistani, or Indian, or Chinese, or arab, or Welsh or Scottish, or
Irish...or Iranian...Because no way does one word cover everything
that isn't 'just like you'
There is also the mysterious "nigga" I've not yet come to terms with it.
On 1/2/25 11:03 PM, Robert Riches wrote:
On 2025-01-02, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
On 1/1/25 1:20 PM, Joel wrote:
Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 11:44:29 -0500, -hh wrote:
[quote]
Unfortunately, the only way that this point actually becomes
"reasonable" is by finally admitting that many/most Linux fanboys are >>>>>> chronic consummate cheapskates.
[/quote]
You omit that many/most commercial software packages are
EXTORTIONATE in that they capture users via proprietary
formats and subscription accounts. The only difference
between them and the gangsters of old are the machine
guns.
I can pay $100 for a 1/2" power drill and I can expect it
to last 25-50 years or more. (I inherited a power drill
from my grandfather that is almost 70 years old. The
only problem is a loose connection in the power cable
that can be easily fixed.)
That same $100 won't even buy a 1 month subscription
for a desktop software package.
The situation is borderline criminality.
Both software and information want to be free (as in
"freedom" and not "beer"). We are seeing this happen.
Commercial software on the desktop is an endangered species.
I can understand the airline industry paying big bucks
for flight reservation software, or the nuclear power industry
paying big bucks for control software, but a desktop spreadsheet
or word processor is trivial and should cost nothing.
Everything done on the desktop has been standardized decades
ago. There is no need for commercial software in this arena.
Clearly you're just ranting nonsense,
Which is par for the course for Feeb.
For example, good luck finding a 1/2" power drill for sale new today for >>> just $100 which will last for even 10 years of use, let alone his
"25-50" claim: the days of bulletproof all metal body Craftsman or
Black & Decker power tools are long since gone.
Out of stock but not too much higher in price:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-5-5-Amp-Corded-1-2-in-Variable-
Speed-Hole-Shooter-Magnum-Drill-Driver-0234-6/100180020
I invested in one of those (or as close to that model as I can
see from the page) in 1991 or 1992. A spare set of brushes has
yet to be needed. It's strong enough to cause substantial wrist
discomfort if held less tightly enough than some use cases
deserve. The side handle is needed in some cases.
Oh, I did have to replace the power cord once, but it was
relatively inexpensive. It uses an interesting 3-conductor
twist-lock connector.
Mostly, I'll rec the old metal-shell tools ...
Craftsman, Skil, that genre. Super tough,
what Tradesmen want and need. DO rec a
re-cording to add a polarized plug and
actual ground wire.
Some of the plastic tools are OK, and the
batteries make them useful in some ways.
But for bouncing around on a construction
site and such year after decade - 1960s
metal-shell still kicks ass.
STILL have and use my 60s metal-shell tools
quite a lot. Drills, circular saws and such.
Never disappoint. Shit was made hard-core
back then.
<snip>
I'm a farmer, third generation of the family to own and operate this
farm. We still have my grandfather's Craftsman 1/2" drill. I did have to replace the power cord once, and the chuck key, but it still works fine. Gotta be close to 90 years old by now - I'm 75 and it's definitely much
older than me.
But I don't use it much. Too big, heavy, and awkward for most tasks. Too powerful, as well - that sucker will break your arm if it gets stuck, too.
Most of the time, I have a 1/2" Harbor Freight hammer drill that I use
when I need one with a chuck that big. It cost considerably less than
$100, but then it's around 10-15 years old, so that was well before covid-induced inflation and the Trump/Biden Chinese tariffs. It's lasted
this long because I keep it inside when not being used, and when I do
use it I'm careful not to abuse it. Something my grandfather and father taught me.
On 10/01/2025 22:15, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 07:27:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The natural tendency in a free market is that the best technology
rises to the top, becomes ubiquitous, and everybody uses it. Diversity
in technology is not desirable,. Diversity in its application is,
somewhat.
Like natural selection I would say an adequate technology rises to the
top, not always the best.
Well it depends on what 'best' applies to.
Take VHS - technically inferior to Betamax but best marketed.
There is also the mysterious "nigga" I've not yet come to terms with it.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 12:06:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/01/2025 22:15, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 07:27:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The natural tendency in a free market is that the best technology
rises to the top, becomes ubiquitous, and everybody uses it. Diversity >>>> in technology is not desirable,. Diversity in its application is,
somewhat.
Like natural selection I would say an adequate technology rises to the
top, not always the best.
Well it depends on what 'best' applies to.
Take VHS - technically inferior to Betamax but best marketed.
I had that in mind -- along with the 8088 processors and MSDOS. IBM had
used the 8085 in the System 23 so were familiar with Intel and wanted to
use readily available and inexpensive 8-bit peripherals in a product they didn't really believe in. And here we are.
...One of the most fascinating statistics I've found when looking at solar is >> that it has a significant amount of people who died, when the owner wanted >> to adjust something on the roof, climbed up and fell down. This figure and >> related deaths is very interesting.
And yet Fukushima, where no one died at all, is recorded as a 'disaster'
The fact is that wind turbines kill people, As do solar installations.
What would you rather attend - a wind turbine in the middle of a storm tossed North Sea hundreds of feet up with only one way down, or a solar farm generating thousands of volts ...
Or a nice cold reactor in a safe machine hall with overhead cranes already installed. Subject to such stringent safety regulations that almost no one has died during routine maintenance, ever.
Remember 'creates green jobs' means it needs an army of expensive people juts to build, install and keep it working, which means its expensive and unreliable...
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 13:04:20 +0100, D wrote:
There is also the mysterious "nigga" I've not yet come to terms with it.
African-American dialect.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 12:06:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/01/2025 22:15, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 07:27:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The natural tendency in a free market is that the best technology
rises to the top, becomes ubiquitous, and everybody uses it. Diversity >>>> in technology is not desirable,. Diversity in its application is,
somewhat.
Like natural selection I would say an adequate technology rises to the
top, not always the best.
Well it depends on what 'best' applies to.
Take VHS - technically inferior to Betamax but best marketed.
I had that in mind -- along with the 8088 processors and MSDOS. IBM had
used the 8085 in the System 23 so were familiar with Intel and wanted to
use readily available and inexpensive 8-bit peripherals in a product they didn't really believe in. And here we are.
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very shitty ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 12:06:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/01/2025 22:15, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 07:27:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The natural tendency in a free market is that the best technology
rises to the top, becomes ubiquitous, and everybody uses it.
Diversity in technology is not desirable,. Diversity in its
application is, somewhat.
Like natural selection I would say an adequate technology rises to
the top, not always the best.
Well it depends on what 'best' applies to.
Take VHS - technically inferior to Betamax but best marketed.
I had that in mind -- along with the 8088 processors and MSDOS. IBM had
used the 8085 in the System 23 so were familiar with Intel and wanted
to use readily available and inexpensive 8-bit peripherals in a product
they didn't really believe in. And here we are.
Other reasons that have been reported are:
1) IBM required any "outside IBM" chips to be second sourced. Intel
already had AMD as an official licenced second source for the 8088 chip, Motorola did not (yet) have any second source for the 68000.
2) Intel had the chip on the market, and could supply the production
volume (or so they claimed to IBM) IBM wanted. Motorola had
"pre-production" versions of the 68000 available for 'breadboarding'
but it had not yet entered full production at the time IBM was selecting
a CPU to use (and IIRC, was not planned to enter full production until
after IBM had planned to release their new "PC").
The 8086 would have been better, but the extra wiring apparently
would have pushed up the price too much according to some old
interview with an IBM guy.
They didn't KNOW it would be super-successful, so they kinda hedged
their bets, split the diff. 640k banks were a hell of a lot better
than 64k banks.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 13:04:20 +0100, D wrote:Would it be ok for me to use it when meeting my local negro? Would it
There is also the mysterious "nigga" I've not yet come to terms with
it.
African-American dialect.
build a loving and spiritual connection faster than the more formal and strict negro?
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply
tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very shitty
ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 19:38:14 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
The 8086 would have been better, but the extra wiring apparently
would have pushed up the price too much according to some old
interview with an IBM guy.
They didn't KNOW it would be super-successful, so they kinda hedged
their bets, split the diff. 640k banks were a hell of a lot better
than 64k banks.
I think IBM stuck the project in Boca Raton and prayed for a rising sea level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Christensen
Maybe apocrypha but the story went that Christensen sent a memo up the
ladder suggesting IBM look at the personal computer market. When the reply came back down the chain of command he framed it and put it on his office wall. The reply was while he was free to mess around with toys on his own time there wasn't a market there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/23_Datamaster
That was where IBM was comfortable, a $9000 glorified Trash-80. I'm not planning to attend the funeral services anytime soon but IBM has always
been extremely good at pricing themselves out of a market.
They rely on The Name a bit too much, it's supposed to mean
'quality', 'the best', to customers. There WAS a span where that was
kinda true, maybe 1950 to 1970.
Fun fact... when Ericsson built out cell phone
networks in africa, they quickly discovered that every base station needed guards. If not, as soon as they were built, and the crew left, some
local tribes
dismantled it and sold it as junk.
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply
tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very shitty
ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply
tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very shitty
ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply
tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very shitty
ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
Kinda half and half ... term heard most often
in Alabama and Mississippi.
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:44:57 +0100, D wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 13:04:20 +0100, D wrote:Would it be ok for me to use it when meeting my local negro? Would it
There is also the mysterious "nigga" I've not yet come to terms with
it.
African-American dialect.
build a loving and spiritual connection faster than the more formal and
strict negro?
Only niggaz can call each other nigga. Only Harry Reid could get away with
describing Obama as a 'light-skinned' African American 'with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one'
https://www.laprogressive.com/racism/politicians-lightskinned-negro
Harris became a laughing stock as she worked her way through more dialects than Meryl Streep.
The 8086 would have been better, but the extra wiring
apparently would have pushed up the price too much
according to some old interview with an IBM guy.
They didn't KNOW it would be super-successful, so they
kinda hedged their bets, split the diff. 640k banks
were a hell of a lot better than 64k banks.
The instructions for the 8088 were "familiar" to
anyone who did the 8008/8080 and not TOO far
from Z-80 sensibility - so I think that cinched Intel
as the maker. WISH they'd used the 68000s. Ever
see the Sage boxes ... gone alas before I could
afford one .......
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply
tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very shitty >>>> ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
Kinda half and half ... term heard most often
in Alabama and Mississippi.
Ahh! I know a thing or two about Alabama. I've seen Forrest Gump! =)
On 2025-01-12, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
The 8086 would have been better, but the extra wiring
apparently would have pushed up the price too much
according to some old interview with an IBM guy.
They didn't KNOW it would be super-successful, so they
kinda hedged their bets, split the diff. 640k banks
were a hell of a lot better than 64k banks.
The 64K barrier was alive and well on the 8086/8.
I wrote a lot of horrible code to deal with large arrays.
Then there were all the memory models: tiny, small, large,
huge... yuck.
The instructions for the 8088 were "familiar" to
anyone who did the 8008/8080 and not TOO far
from Z-80 sensibility - so I think that cinched Intel
as the maker. WISH they'd used the 68000s. Ever
see the Sage boxes ... gone alas before I could
afford one .......
I got into the Amiga and enjoyed the 68000 that way.
On 11/01/2025 23:41, D wrote:
Fun fact... when Ericsson built out cell phone
networks in africa, they quickly discovered that every base station needed >> guards. If not, as soon as they were built, and the crew left, some local
tribes
dismantled it and sold it as junk.
Musk got that one right with Starlink. Kinda hard to pillage a satellite 60 miles overhead..
On 12/01/2025 11:00, D wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply >>>>> tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very shitty >>>>> ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
Kinda half and half ... term heard most often
in Alabama and Mississippi.
Ahh! I know a thing or two about Alabama. I've seen Forrest Gump! =)
I think that most of my pre-visit experience of the USA was from Mark Twain.
One piece of dialogue really brought southern racism home...
“Good gracious! Anybody hurt?”
“No’m. Killed a nigger.”
“Well, it’s lucky; because sometimes people do get hurt.”
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Did you see the Ukrainian drone with a shotgun? Shot down 2 drones and terminated a Russian in a trench.
On 11/01/2025 23:41, D wrote:
Fun fact... when Ericsson built out cell phone
networks in africa, they quickly discovered that every base station
needed
guards. If not, as soon as they were built, and the crew left, some
local tribes
dismantled it and sold it as junk.
Musk got that one right with Starlink. Kinda hard to pillage a
satellite 60 miles overhead..
You just wait! I am certain shortly they will construct state of the art crossbows and shoot them down. ;)
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply
tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very
shitty ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
Ahhh... good to know! If I ever travel to the southern US, I'll fit
right in with a nigra or two! ;)
Isn't Harris indian?
The 64K barrier was alive and well on the 8086/8.
I wrote a lot of horrible code to deal with large arrays. Then there
were all the memory models: tiny, small, large,
huge... yuck.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply
tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very
shitty ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
Kinda half and half ... term heard most often in Alabama and
Mississippi.
Ahh! I know a thing or two about Alabama. I've seen Forrest Gump! =)
On 12/01/2025 11:00, D wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply >>>>> tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very
shitty
ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
Kinda half and half ... term heard most often
in Alabama and Mississippi.
Ahh! I know a thing or two about Alabama. I've seen Forrest Gump! =)
I think that most of my pre-visit experience of the USA was from Mark
Twain.
One piece of dialogue really brought southern racism home...
“Good gracious! Anybody hurt?”
“No’m. Killed a nigger.”
“Well, it’s lucky; because sometimes people do get hurt.”
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 12:00:56 +0100, D wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply >>>>> tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very
shitty ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
Kinda half and half ... term heard most often in Alabama and
Mississippi.
Ahh! I know a thing or two about Alabama. I've seen Forrest Gump! =)
You're about 70 years too late for the real fun. My brother worked at Redstone in Huntsville AL in the '50s. Alabama was completely segregated, with the whites and blacks working out a more or less comfortable arrangement. The engineers, mostly white northerners, didn't have a clue
how the social boundaries worked. I'm sure von Braun's crew had some interesting thoughts on American hypocrisy.
On 2025-01-12, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
The 8086 would have been better, but the extra wiring
apparently would have pushed up the price too much
according to some old interview with an IBM guy.
They didn't KNOW it would be super-successful, so they
kinda hedged their bets, split the diff. 640k banks
were a hell of a lot better than 64k banks.
The 64K barrier was alive and well on the 8086/8.
I wrote a lot of horrible code to deal with large arrays.
Then there were all the memory models: tiny, small, large,
huge... yuck.
The instructions for the 8088 were "familiar" to
anyone who did the 8008/8080 and not TOO far
from Z-80 sensibility - so I think that cinched Intel
as the maker. WISH they'd used the 68000s. Ever
see the Sage boxes ... gone alas before I could
afford one .......
I got into the Amiga and enjoyed the 68000 that way.
On 1/12/25 7:07 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-01-12, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
The 8086 would have been better, but the extra wiring apparently
would have pushed up the price too much according to some old
interview with an IBM guy.
They didn't KNOW it would be super-successful, so they kinda
hedged their bets, split the diff. 640k banks were a hell of a lot
better than 64k banks.
The 64K barrier was alive and well on the 8086/8.
I wrote a lot of horrible code to deal with large arrays. Then there
were all the memory models: tiny, small, large,
huge... yuck.
The instructions for the 8088 were "familiar" to anyone who did
the 8008/8080 and not TOO far from Z-80 sensibility - so I think
that cinched Intel as the maker. WISH they'd used the 68000s. Ever
see the Sage boxes ... gone alas before I could afford one .......
I got into the Amiga and enjoyed the 68000 that way.
Alas I spent big $$$ and bought the very first Amiga model. NOTHING
but "Guru Meditation" errors ... dumped the thing and bought a PC
clone.
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 00:21:26 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/12/25 7:07 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-01-12, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
The 8086 would have been better, but the extra wiring apparently
would have pushed up the price too much according to some old
interview with an IBM guy.
They didn't KNOW it would be super-successful, so they kinda
hedged their bets, split the diff. 640k banks were a hell of a lot >>>> better than 64k banks.
The 64K barrier was alive and well on the 8086/8.
I wrote a lot of horrible code to deal with large arrays. Then there
were all the memory models: tiny, small, large,
huge... yuck.
The instructions for the 8088 were "familiar" to anyone who didI got into the Amiga and enjoyed the 68000 that way.
the 8008/8080 and not TOO far from Z-80 sensibility - so I think
that cinched Intel as the maker. WISH they'd used the 68000s. Ever >>>> see the Sage boxes ... gone alas before I could afford one ....... >>>
Alas I spent big $$$ and bought the very first Amiga model. NOTHING
but "Guru Meditation" errors ... dumped the thing and bought a PC
clone.
I didn't have anything that sophisticated; I bought a 68000 evaluation
board. I also have my Captain Zilog t-shirt from a Z8000 seminar but I
never had one in my hands. I don't know how much Exxon had to do with it
but it quickly became apparent the Z8000 was an 'also ran' and the Z80000 never hit the streets. I loved the Z80 but Zilog did a lot better dropping zeroes than adding them. The Z8 lives on but a $200 development kit isn't very attractive.
On 2025-01-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 12:00:56 +0100, D wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply >>>>>> tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very
shitty ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're >>>>> really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
Kinda half and half ... term heard most often in Alabama and
Mississippi.
Ahh! I know a thing or two about Alabama. I've seen Forrest Gump! =)
You're about 70 years too late for the real fun. My brother worked at
Redstone in Huntsville AL in the '50s. Alabama was completely segregated,
with the whites and blacks working out a more or less comfortable
arrangement. The engineers, mostly white northerners, didn't have a clue
how the social boundaries worked. I'm sure von Braun's crew had some
interesting thoughts on American hypocrisy.
The movie _Hidden Figures_ has an interesting take on this.
On 12/01/2025 18:33, D wrote:
Did you see the Ukrainian drone with a shotgun? Shot down 2 drones and terminated a Russian in a trench.
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/01/2025 23:41, D wrote:
Fun fact... when Ericsson built out cell phone
networks in africa, they quickly discovered that every base station
needed
guards. If not, as soon as they were built, and the crew left, some local >>>> tribes
dismantled it and sold it as junk.
Musk got that one right with Starlink. Kinda hard to pillage a satellite >>> 60 miles overhead..
You just wait! I am certain shortly they will construct state of the art
crossbows and shoot them down. ;)
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 12:00:56 +0100, D wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply >>>>> tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very
shitty ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
Kinda half and half ... term heard most often in Alabama and
Mississippi.
Ahh! I know a thing or two about Alabama. I've seen Forrest Gump! =)
You're about 70 years too late for the real fun. My brother worked at Redstone in Huntsville AL in the '50s. Alabama was completely segregated, with the whites and blacks working out a more or less comfortable arrangement. The engineers, mostly white northerners, didn't have a clue
how the social boundaries worked. I'm sure von Braun's crew had some interesting thoughts on American hypocrisy.
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 11:59:24 +0100, D wrote:
Isn't Harris indian?
She's more Indian than she is black but identifying as black has more advantages.
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 12:00:56 +0100, D wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply >>>>> tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very
shitty ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
Kinda half and half ... term heard most often in Alabama and
Mississippi.
Ahh! I know a thing or two about Alabama. I've seen Forrest Gump! =)
You're about 70 years too late for the real fun. My brother worked at Redstone in Huntsville AL in the '50s. Alabama was completely segregated, with the whites and blacks working out a more or less comfortable arrangement. The engineers, mostly white northerners, didn't have a clue
how the social boundaries worked. I'm sure von Braun's crew had some interesting thoughts on American hypocrisy.
On 1/12/25 6:38 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/01/2025 11:00, D wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply >>>>>> tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very shitty >>>>>> ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're >>>>> really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
Kinda half and half ... term heard most often
in Alabama and Mississippi.
Ahh! I know a thing or two about Alabama. I've seen Forrest Gump! =)
I think that most of my pre-visit experience of the USA was from Mark
Twain.
One piece of dialogue really brought southern racism home...
“Good gracious! Anybody hurt?”
“No’m. Killed a nigger.”
“Well, it’s lucky; because sometimes people do get hurt.”
Um ... ain't 1830 or even 1955 anymore folks ...
Why, imagine, you can see 'white' girls hangin' off
'black' studs in Birmingham now !
Don't be too quick to believe 'movies'.
The movie _Hidden Figures_ has an interesting take on this.
Be careful of 'movie truths' .......
The 'black'/'white' equation in the USA south
was much more complicated, nuanced, than the
various literary/media/film crusaders want to
portray.
And yes, I'm old enough to remember the tail end
of "Jim Crow" - SEEN "Whites Only"/"Colored"
drinking fountains and waiting rooms and such.
But it was NEVER as simple as the Crusaders
now sell us.
The 'black'/'white' equation in the USA south
was much more complicated, nuanced, than the
various literary/media/film crusaders want to
portray.
And yes, I'm old enough to remember the tail end
of "Jim Crow" - SEEN "Whites Only"/"Colored"
drinking fountains and waiting rooms and such.
But it was NEVER as simple as the Crusaders
now sell us.
On 1/12/25 6:38 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/01/2025 11:00, D wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply >>>>>> tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very
shitty
ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're >>>>> really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
Kinda half and half ... term heard most often
in Alabama and Mississippi.
Ahh! I know a thing or two about Alabama. I've seen Forrest Gump! =)
I think that most of my pre-visit experience of the USA was from Mark
Twain.
One piece of dialogue really brought southern racism home...
“Good gracious! Anybody hurt?”
“No’m. Killed a nigger.”
“Well, it’s lucky; because sometimes people do get hurt.”
Um ... ain't 1830 or even 1955 anymore folks ...
Why, imagine, you can see 'white' girls hangin' off
'black' studs in Birmingham now !
Don't be too quick to believe 'movies'.
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/01/2025 18:33, D wrote:
Did you see the Ukrainian drone with a shotgun? Shot down 2 drones and
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/01/2025 23:41, D wrote:
Fun fact... when Ericsson built out cell phone
networks in africa, they quickly discovered that every base station
needed
guards. If not, as soon as they were built, and the crew left, some
local tribes
dismantled it and sold it as junk.
Musk got that one right with Starlink. Kinda hard to pillage a
satellite 60 miles overhead..
You just wait! I am certain shortly they will construct state of the
art crossbows and shoot them down. ;)
terminated a Russian in a trench.
Really?! Truly life imitates usenet art! ;) Do you have a link?
TJ wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
<snip>
I'm a farmer, third generation of the family to own and operate this
farm. We still have my grandfather's Craftsman 1/2" drill. I did have to
replace the power cord once, and the chuck key, but it still works fine.
Gotta be close to 90 years old by now - I'm 75 and it's definitely much
older than me.
But I don't use it much. Too big, heavy, and awkward for most tasks. Too
powerful, as well - that sucker will break your arm if it gets stuck, too.
Reminds me of this:
http://www.team.net/mjb/hawg.html
Unix - The Hole Hawg
THE HOLE HAWG OF OPERATING SYSTEMS
by Neal Stephenson
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Milwaukee-1-2-Hole-Hawg-Drill/1122297
On 13/01/2025 09:17, D wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/01/2025 18:33, D wrote:
Did you see the Ukrainian drone with a shotgun? Shot down 2 drones and
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/01/2025 23:41, D wrote:
Fun fact... when Ericsson built out cell phone
networks in africa, they quickly discovered that every base station >>>>>> needed
guards. If not, as soon as they were built, and the crew left, some >>>>>> local tribes
dismantled it and sold it as junk.
Musk got that one right with Starlink. Kinda hard to pillage a satellite >>>>> 60 miles overhead..
You just wait! I am certain shortly they will construct state of the art >>>> crossbows and shoot them down. ;)
terminated a Russian in a trench.
Really?! Truly life imitates usenet art! ;) Do you have a link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auU6i6zLxvc
The company should have offered language classes for everyones safety!
This sounds like swedish/danish cooperative ventures, where each group
insist that the other can understand them, since the language are so
close. This never works.
And yes, I'm old enough to remember the tail end of "Jim Crow" - SEEN
"Whites Only"/"Colored" drinking fountains and waiting rooms and
such.
Come to think of it... swedes focus more on biker gangs. Very few
arabians in biker gangs. Very racist!
That's horrible! Don't they know that if they make love to a black man,
they can become black themselves! It's contagious!
Did von Braun leave any personal notes behind when he died? Would be fun
to read his thoughts on the subject!
This is some classic, good, old fashioned eastern european thinking
right there!
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/01/2025 09:17, D wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Did you see the Ukrainian drone with a shotgun? Shot down 2 drones and >>>> terminated a Russian in a trench.
Really?! Truly life imitates usenet art! ;) Do you have a link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auU6i6zLxvc
This is some classic, good, old fashioned eastern european thinking right there!
On 1/12/25 7:07 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-01-12, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
The 8086 would have been better, but the extra wiring
apparently would have pushed up the price too much
according to some old interview with an IBM guy.
They didn't KNOW it would be super-successful, so they
kinda hedged their bets, split the diff. 640k banks
were a hell of a lot better than 64k banks.
The 64K barrier was alive and well on the 8086/8.
I wrote a lot of horrible code to deal with large arrays.
Then there were all the memory models: tiny, small, large,
huge... yuck.
The instructions for the 8088 were "familiar" to
anyone who did the 8008/8080 and not TOO far
from Z-80 sensibility - so I think that cinched Intel
as the maker. WISH they'd used the 68000s. Ever
see the Sage boxes ... gone alas before I could
afford one .......
I got into the Amiga and enjoyed the 68000 that way.
Alas I spent big $$$ and bought the very first Amiga
model. NOTHING but "Guru Meditation" errors ... dumped
the thing and bought a PC clone.
The little Macs were cute - but kinda expensive and
had that weird 'Apple mentality' - so never bought one.
At my age now I'd need special glasses just to read
the tiny screen :-)
I remember Tandy had a TRS model that'd take a 68k
add-on board, ran some version of CP/M-68k. Again
out of my price range at the time.
So, alas, my exposure to the 68k series wound up
being limited. Too bad, it WAS a great chip for
the time. Apparently Intel could just produce
more for cheaper and won The War.
Haven't researched it in detail, but it's said the
68k's ultimately had 'scalability issues' - ie
it wasn't easy to change the architecture, not
easy to go forwards. They could make slightly
faster versions, but no Great Leaps.
You can still buy 68000 chips from DigiKey and
Mouser - about nine bucks - and the 'ColdFire'
successors. STILL useful and used for embedded
apps, esp 'devices'. Good ideas persist.
In ~1982, my EE senior project in college was a small board with a 68k
on it to go in a box that could whole up to a whole 1MB of RAM. Of
course, the 68k was in a socket. However, the socket was bad. Prying
the 64-pin large DIP CPU from the socket was nothing compared to
unsoldering each of socket pin from the board, then cleaning the holes
enough to install a new socket.
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:26:02 +0100, D wrote:
The company should have offered language classes for everyones safety!
This sounds like swedish/danish cooperative ventures, where each group
insist that the other can understand them, since the language are so
close. This never works.
Some of the extra material on the Bron/Broen DVDs mentioned that :) One of the Swedish actresses mentioned being on a bus in Copenhagen, hearing a
girl say 'skumfidus', and thinking it must be something dirty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqgRC5sfCaQ
That may work for Swedes and Danes too. Our PBS shows are often British
but late on Saturday nights they can be more diverse. They're subtitled
but the one last Saturday was strange. It wasn't German but it sounded
like something I should understand, if that makes any sense, unlike French
or Italian shows.
The molding plant I referred to had moved from Connecticut to rural
Georgia, attracted by cheap labor. They had not taken into account the difference in work ethic. As the week progressed the work force thinned
out. By Friday there weren't many people besides our crew and the foreman
who had relocated from Connecticut. I think he was in his 40's but had a heart attack, possibly brought on by dealing with the frustration.
The town was dry so we had to go to Athens, about 30 miles away, for R&R.
The university was there so it was a little more civilized. Madison billed itself as the only town Sherman didn't burn on his way to the sea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison,_Georgia
This was the early '70s and southern rock was just starting to take off. I had long hair and a beard and after staring at me for a while the busboy
at the local restaurant finally worked up the courage to come over and ask 'Are y'all one of them rock musicians?" About 10 years later Athens would spawn R.E.M as rural Georgia caught up with the US.
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:26:02 +0100, D wrote:
The company should have offered language classes for everyones safety!
This sounds like swedish/danish cooperative ventures, where each group
insist that the other can understand them, since the language are so
close. This never works.
Some of the extra material on the Bron/Broen DVDs mentioned that :) One of the Swedish actresses mentioned being on a bus in Copenhagen, hearing a
girl say 'skumfidus', and thinking it must be something dirty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqgRC5sfCaQ
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:29:32 +0100, D wrote:
Come to think of it... swedes focus more on biker gangs. Very few
arabians in biker gangs. Very racist!
'Sons of Anarchy' was a fictional drama but it touched on reality at
times. The Mongols are Hispanics while the Angels, Banditos, and others
are white. There isn't much diversity.
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:33:17 +0100, D wrote:
That's horrible! Don't they know that if they make love to a black man,
they can become black themselves! It's contagious!
What they usually become is a single mother with a mulatto child, not the hottest commodity on the market. Obama's are few and far between.
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:28:54 +0100, D wrote:
Did von Braun leave any personal notes behind when he died? Would be fun
to read his thoughts on the subject!
https://www.loc.gov/item/mm77044172
He left a lot to search through. He was an advocate of education which
must have been frustrating in the Huntsville of his era.
On 2025-01-13, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/01/2025 09:17, D wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Did you see the Ukrainian drone with a shotgun? Shot down 2 drones and >>>>> terminated a Russian in a trench.
Really?! Truly life imitates usenet art! ;) Do you have a link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auU6i6zLxvc
This is some classic, good, old fashioned eastern european thinking right
there!
Impressive. It reminds me of that Monty Python sketch
where Eric Idle says, "What about pointed sticks?"
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 20:50:10 +0100, D wrote:
This is some classic, good, old fashioned eastern european thinking
right there!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW__dtgC7y8
Then there's good old Yankee ingenuity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBBC-xL_MTg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS1KFmFw2Dw
So far the local airsoft warriors don't have drones although they have
built some elaborate fortifications in an area I hike. I try to avoid them and the paintball crews and make them aware I'm a non-combatant and do not carry non-lethal rounds.
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:33:17 +0100, D wrote:
That's horrible! Don't they know that if they make love to a black
man,
they can become black themselves! It's contagious!
What they usually become is a single mother with a mulatto child, not
the hottest commodity on the market. Obama's are few and far between.
Ahhh... I stand corrected! So that is the transformation that takes
place!
;)
Hmm, strange, the site doesn't work for me, but will try again later to
see if they are open. Probably on a coffee break.
On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 20:46:49 +0100, D wrote:
Hmm, strange, the site doesn't work for me, but will try again later to
see if they are open. Probably on a coffee break.
Works for me even in Tor which thinks I'm in Germany today.
On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 20:45:27 +0100, D wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:33:17 +0100, D wrote:
That's horrible! Don't they know that if they make love to a black
man,
they can become black themselves! It's contagious!
What they usually become is a single mother with a mulatto child, not
the hottest commodity on the market. Obama's are few and far between.
Ahhh... I stand corrected! So that is the transformation that takes
place!
;)
Blacks are fortunate there is no tribal structure. The Indians are quite picky about who gets on the tribal roll. That's especially true if the
tribe has a casino or some other benefits to being a recognized member. Elizabeth Warren didn't qualify.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9xTXZwnJUk
Today that video would get Cher dragged down Main Street behind the horse
for so many different reasons. Cher claimed to be 1/16th Cherokee but I
think she backed down later. My ex also claims to have Cherokee ancestry
and I humor her. Many make similar claims and somehow it's always
Chreokee. Personally I am 0%; no tribal money for me.
Makes one wonder... perhaps we are all some small % of cherokee in the
end? 😉
On 15/01/2025 08:59, D wrote:
Makes one wonder... perhaps we are all some small % of cherokee in the end? >> 😉
Statistically it is 99.99% certain that any British-descended person is descended from royalty of one sort or another.
There is an Australian who has a good claim to the throne:
Michael Edward Abney-Hastings, the 14th Earl of Loudoun, was a British-Australian who claimed to be the rightful king of England. He died in 2012.
Abney-Hastings was a descendant of George Plantagenet, the Duke of Clarence, who was the brother of Edward IV and Richard III.
Abney-Hastings' claim was based on the idea that Edward IV was illegitimate. If this were true, then George Plantagenet and his heirs would have been the rightful monarchs of England.
Abney-Hastings' claim was the subject of the 2004 Channel 4 documentary Britain's Real Monarch.
Abney-Hastings' son, Simon Abney-Hastings, became the 15th Earl of Loudoun after his father's death. Simon was invited to the coronation of King Charles III
-- I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
...than to have answers that cannot be questioned
Richard Feynman
Statistically it is 99.99% certain that any British-descended person
is descended from royalty of one sort or another.
What about YMCA? Wasn't there an indian there somewhere?
Makes one wonder... perhaps we are all some small % of cherokee in the
end?
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 10:59:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Statistically it is 99.99% certain that any British-descended person
is descended from royalty of one sort or another.
I'm descended from a long line of pirates, horse thieves, and general ne'er-do-wells. There's reasons we-uns ain't in Europe no more.
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 09:59:08 +0100, D wrote:
What about YMCA? Wasn't there an indian there somewhere?
Village Perverts? Yeah, they tried to hit every gay blade fantasy. Why in
the holy hell Trump picked up that song is beyond me.
Makes one wonder... perhaps we are all some small % of cherokee in the
end?
That's the 23AndMe solution -- everybody has Sub-Saharan African genes <= 0.1%. Too many dirty white boys were posting their unblemished European ancestry.
As the 'science' moves on Chris Stringer may be relegated to the dustbin.
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:28:54 +0100, D wrote:
Did von Braun leave any personal notes behind when he died? Would be fun >>> to read his thoughts on the subject!
https://www.loc.gov/item/mm77044172
He left a lot to search through. He was an advocate of education which
must have been frustrating in the Huntsville of his era.
Hmm, strange, the site doesn't work for me, but will try again later to
see if they are open. Probably on a coffee break. ;)
On Tue, 14 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-01-13, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/01/2025 09:17, D wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Did you see the Ukrainian drone with a shotgun? Shot down 2 drones >>>>>> and
terminated a Russian in a trench.
Really?! Truly life imitates usenet art! ;) Do you have a link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auU6i6zLxvc
This is some classic, good, old fashioned eastern european thinking
right
there!
Impressive. It reminds me of that Monty Python sketch
where Eric Idle says, "What about pointed sticks?"
A classic! And they also teach you how to defend against various kinds
of fruit as well!
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 09:59:08 +0100, D wrote:
What about YMCA? Wasn't there an indian there somewhere?
Village Perverts? Yeah, they tried to hit every gay blade fantasy. Why in
the holy hell Trump picked up that song is beyond me.
Makes one wonder... perhaps we are all some small % of cherokee in the
end?
That's the 23AndMe solution -- everybody has Sub-Saharan African genes <= 0.1%. Too many dirty white boys were posting their unblemished European ancestry.
As the 'science' moves on Chris Stringer may be relegated to the dustbin.
My father and his people met WVB. Word was that
he was STILL a NAZI prick up to the end.
Hmmmm ... some say 'gods' only live so long as they
are remembered - did I just extend the lifetime of
Woden ? :-)
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 10:59:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Statistically it is 99.99% certain that any British-descended person
is descended from royalty of one sort or another.
I'm descended from a long line of pirates, horse thieves, and general ne'er-do-wells. There's reasons we-uns ain't in Europe no more.
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 09:59:08 +0100, D wrote:
What about YMCA? Wasn't there an indian there somewhere?
Village Perverts? Yeah, they tried to hit every gay blade fantasy. Why in
the holy hell Trump picked up that song is beyond me.
Makes one wonder... perhaps we are all some small % of cherokee in the
end?
That's the 23AndMe solution -- everybody has Sub-Saharan African genes <= 0.1%. Too many dirty white boys were posting their unblemished European ancestry.
As the 'science' moves on Chris Stringer may be relegated to the dustbin.
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 09:59:08 +0100, D wrote:
What about YMCA? Wasn't there an indian there somewhere?
Village Perverts? Yeah, they tried to hit every gay blade fantasy. Why in
the holy hell Trump picked up that song is beyond me.
On 1/15/25 5:47 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 10:59:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Statistically it is 99.99% certain that any British-descended person
is descended from royalty of one sort or another.
I'm descended from a long line of pirates, horse thieves, and general
ne'er-do-wells. There's reasons we-uns ain't in Europe no more.
I'm sure my line derived from Nordic marauders and
civil engineers.
All hail Woden One-Eye !
Anyway, 'England' is at least half Nord genes by now.
The nearest thing to "Original England" is Wales, and
to a lesser extent Cornwall.
But even they weren't "original". England may win the
prize for "most invaded" landmass ever. Lots and lots
of little groups stretching back into the Ice Age, then
the Beaker People, then ... it's COMPLICATED.
There are other places that were "crossroads" that are
equally complicated - genetically/culturally. England
was kind of the dead-end dest, where every wandering
tribe kinda wound up.
Hmmmm ... some say 'gods' only live so long as they
are remembered - did I just extend the lifetime of
Woden ? :-)
On 1/15/25 5:45 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 09:59:08 +0100, D wrote:
What about YMCA? Wasn't there an indian there somewhere?
Village Perverts? Yeah, they tried to hit every gay blade fantasy. Why in
the holy hell Trump picked up that song is beyond me.
Hey, it's a FUN song ! :-)
Yep, the VP aimed for entertaining gay people/culture.
And you accuse Trump of being horribly awfully lethally
anti-gay ...... ever think you were kinda dis-informed ?
BTW - the surviving VP say it's a-OK for Trump to use
their song .......
Makes one wonder... perhaps we are all some small % of cherokee in the
end?
That's the 23AndMe solution -- everybody has Sub-Saharan African genes <=
0.1%. Too many dirty white boys were posting their unblemished European
ancestry.
As the 'science' moves on Chris Stringer may be relegated to the dustbin.
NO such thing as a 'pure' ancestry. We're all east Africans
in the end. If you've got lighter skin, you're not even a
'real human' - a Neanderthal/Denisovian hybrid instead.
On 16/01/2025 05:48, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Hmmmm ... some say 'gods' only live so long as they
are remembered - did I just extend the lifetime of
Woden ? :-)
I though it was Odin or Wotan.
On 16/01/2025 09:14, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
My father and his people met WVB. Word was that
he was STILL a NAZI prick up to the end.
Formal Nazism may have disappeared at the end of WW2, but so many Germans still believed - and believe to this day, that the Germans are *simply better at stuff*.
At its peak in 1945 the Nazi party comprised 8.5 million members
About 13% of the population.
Less than 20 faced death post war.
What happened to the rest? They ran Germany for the next 50 years.
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 10:59:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Pirates!?! I see now where the long hair and beard comes from!
Statistically it is 99.99% certain that any British-descended person
is descended from royalty of one sort or another.
I'm descended from a long line of pirates, horse thieves, and general
ne'er-do-wells. There's reasons we-uns ain't in Europe no more.
As the 'science' moves on Chris Stringer may be relegated to the
dustbin.
Who is Chris Stringer?
I wouldnt mind a percent or two of Neanderthal,. They were good in cold weather.
Sadly I am sure instead there is African in there. I hate the cold
My father and his people met WVB. Word was that he was STILL a NAZI
prick up to the end.
On 1/15/25 5:45 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 09:59:08 +0100, D wrote:
What about YMCA? Wasn't there an indian there somewhere?
Village Perverts? Yeah, they tried to hit every gay blade fantasy. Why
in the holy hell Trump picked up that song is beyond me.
Hey, it's a FUN song !
In addition to walking in on teenage women dressing rooms, maybe Trump
had some brief stays at the YMCA.
But even they weren't "original". England may win the prize for "most
invaded" landmass ever. Lots and lots of little groups stretching
back into the Ice Age, then the Beaker People, then ... it's
COMPLICATED.
On 16/01/2025 05:48, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Hmmmm ... some say 'gods' only live so long as they are remembered
- did I just extend the lifetime of Woden ? :-)
I though it was Odin or Wotan.
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/15/25 5:47 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 10:59:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Statistically it is 99.99% certain that any British-descended
person is descended from royalty of one sort or another.
I'm descended from a long line of pirates, horse thieves, and general
ne'er-do-wells. There's reasons we-uns ain't in Europe no more.
I'm sure my line derived from Nordic marauders and civil engineers.
Easy to tell! Do you have blue eyes, blonde hair and are very fit and muscular? If so, welcome!
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/01/2025 05:48, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Hmmmm ... some say 'gods' only live so long as they
are remembered - did I just extend the lifetime of
Woden ? :-)
I though it was Odin or Wotan.
I'd say Wotan for the germanic tribes, Odin for the vikings. Oden for
todays swedes.
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 11:53:34 +0100, D wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 10:59:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Pirates!?! I see now where the long hair and beard comes from!
Statistically it is 99.99% certain that any British-descended person >>>> is descended from royalty of one sort or another.
I'm descended from a long line of pirates, horse thieves, and general
ne'er-do-wells. There's reasons we-uns ain't in Europe no more.
That and the I-M253 Y chromosome.
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 11:52:47 +0100, D wrote:
As the 'science' moves on Chris Stringer may be relegated to the
dustbin.
Who is Chris Stringer?
He was the chief proponent of the 'out of Africa' theory although lately
he's come around to a 'multiregional African' theory. Wolpoff had been critical of the original theory and proposed a multiregional evolution hypothesis. He and Caspari's 'Race and Human Evolution: A Fatal
Attraction' is a good introduction. He thinks h. erectus arose in Africa
and migrated, evolving to h.sapiens in multiple areas. Recent
archaeological finds are supporting.
Stringer seems to have come halfway. That might help explain M1 which had previously be explained by M* evolving in Asia with one group getting homesick and going back to Africa.
Wolpoff was also critical of the left wing windbag Gould.
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 10:24:24 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I wouldnt mind a percent or two of Neanderthal,. They were good in cold
weather.
Sadly I am sure instead there is African in there. I hate the cold
Not fond of it myself. They're predicting lows of -3 F over the weekend.
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 08:08:27 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
In addition to walking in on teenage women dressing rooms, maybe Trump
had some brief stays at the YMCA.
I once belonged to the YWCA. The one in Ft. Wayne has an excellent gym and they were coed long before the current crap.
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 04:14:01 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
My father and his people met WVB. Word was that he was STILL a NAZI
prick up to the end.
That was not my brother's opinion.
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:01:48 +0100, D wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/15/25 5:47 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 10:59:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Statistically it is 99.99% certain that any British-descended
person is descended from royalty of one sort or another.
I'm descended from a long line of pirates, horse thieves, and general
ne'er-do-wells. There's reasons we-uns ain't in Europe no more.
I'm sure my line derived from Nordic marauders and civil engineers.
Easy to tell! Do you have blue eyes, blonde hair and are very fit and
muscular? If so, welcome!
Well, I used to. Still have the blue eyes though.
On 1/16/25 11:05 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/01/2025 05:48, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Hmmmm ... some say 'gods' only live so long as they
are remembered - did I just extend the lifetime of
Woden ? :-)
I though it was Odin or Wotan.
I'd say Wotan for the germanic tribes, Odin for the vikings. Oden for
todays swedes.
Granny, Dansk, pronounced it very close to "wooden".
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 11:52:47 +0100, D wrote:
As the 'science' moves on Chris Stringer may be relegated to the
dustbin.
Who is Chris Stringer?
He was the chief proponent of the 'out of Africa' theory although lately
he's come around to a 'multiregional African' theory. Wolpoff had been critical of the original theory and proposed a multiregional evolution hypothesis. He and Caspari's 'Race and Human Evolution: A Fatal
Attraction' is a good introduction. He thinks h. erectus arose in Africa
and migrated, evolving to h.sapiens in multiple areas. Recent
archaeological finds are supporting.
Stringer seems to have come halfway. That might help explain M1 which had previously be explained by M* evolving in Asia with one group getting homesick and going back to Africa.
Wolpoff was also critical of the left wing windbag Gould.Whoever they are..
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 10:24:24 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I wouldnt mind a percent or two of Neanderthal,. They were good in cold
weather.
Sadly I am sure instead there is African in there. I hate the cold
Not fond of it myself. They're predicting lows of -3 F over the weekend.
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 00:57:47 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/15/25 5:45 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 09:59:08 +0100, D wrote:
What about YMCA? Wasn't there an indian there somewhere?
Village Perverts? Yeah, they tried to hit every gay blade fantasy. Why
in the holy hell Trump picked up that song is beyond me.
Hey, it's a FUN song !
Besides its roots in the gay world it's also fucking disco!
On 16/01/2025 21:52, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 11:52:47 +0100, D wrote:Out of Africa originally seems plausible, but with several mutatins developing all over the world back feeding into today's hominids.
As the 'science' moves on Chris Stringer may be relegated to the
dustbin.
Who is Chris Stringer?
He was the chief proponent of the 'out of Africa' theory although lately
he's come around to a 'multiregional African' theory. Wolpoff had been
critical of the original theory and proposed a multiregional evolution
hypothesis. He and Caspari's 'Race and Human Evolution: A Fatal
Attraction' is a good introduction. He thinks h. erectus arose in Africa
and migrated, evolving to h.sapiens in multiple areas. Recent
archaeological finds are supporting.
Stringer seems to have come halfway. That might help explain M1 which hadetc...
previously be explained by M* evolving in Asia with one group getting
homesick and going back to Africa.
Wolpoff was also critical of the left wing windbag Gould.Whoever they are..
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/16/25 11:05 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/01/2025 05:48, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Hmmmm ... some say 'gods' only live so long as they
are remembered - did I just extend the lifetime of
Woden ? :-)
I though it was Odin or Wotan.
I'd say Wotan for the germanic tribes, Odin for the vikings. Oden for
todays swedes.
Granny, Dansk, pronounced it very close to "wooden".
Similar to the swedish pronunciation, except the w is silent, so I
assume the w got dropped over the centuries. The ooo is as in "booo
hooo". In icelandic, it's Ódin where the Ó is like the "oh" of every day english.
Granny came from a rural area of the jutland, 1800s,
so likely an 'older' pronunciation lived on there.
Anyway, it was somewhere between "wooden" and "wouden" -
don't know all those funky pronunciation characters so
common in Europe. The "W" *was* in there.
So, next time somebody asks who the first human was -Simple minds like simple answers to complicated questions. Man bad,
there WASN'T one. At best it's "still in progress".
On 1/17/25 4:47 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/16/25 11:05 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/01/2025 05:48, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Hmmmm ... some say 'gods' only live so long as they
are remembered - did I just extend the lifetime of
Woden ? :-)
I though it was Odin or Wotan.
I'd say Wotan for the germanic tribes, Odin for the vikings. Oden for
todays swedes.
Granny, Dansk, pronounced it very close to "wooden".
Similar to the swedish pronunciation, except the w is silent, so I assume
the w got dropped over the centuries. The ooo is as in "booo hooo". In
icelandic, it's Ódin where the Ó is like the "oh" of every day english.
Granny came from a rural area of the jutland, 1800s,
so likely an 'older' pronunciation lived on there.
Anyway, it was somewhere between "wooden" and "wouden" -
don't know all those funky pronunciation characters so
common in Europe. The "W" *was* in there.
On 18/01/2025 04:06, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
So, next time somebody asks who the first human was -Simple minds like simple answers to complicated questions. Man bad,
there WASN'T one. At best it's "still in progress".
woman good. Man bad Nature good., Two legs bad four legs good No legs dangerous.
On 1/18/25 5:48 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/01/2025 04:06, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
So, next time somebody asks who the first human was -Simple minds like simple answers to complicated questions. Man bad, woman
there WASN'T one. At best it's "still in progress".
good. Man bad Nature good., Two legs bad four legs good No legs dangerous. >>
"Fire bad, tree pretty ..."
Anyway, 'humans' don't really exist - we're a
continually outbred, inbred, back-n-forth bred
mix of at least several existing sub-sub species
spanning about a million years - and it's still
in-progress.
I think they now have enough good DNA to literally
revive the Neanderthals. That oughtta be interesting.
Of course THEY were kinda bred in with some other
sub-sub species too.
No 'tree of life' - more a big nasty hair-ball.
I think they now have enough good DNA to literallySometimes it seems they already have. Being cold lovers, they all live
revive the Neanderthals.
On Sat, 18 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
No 'tree of life' - more a big nasty hair-ball.
Ahh... the hair-ball of life! Coming to a scientific journal close to you!
=)
On 2025-01-19, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
No 'tree of life' - more a big nasty hair-ball.
Ahh... the hair-ball of life! Coming to a scientific journal close to you! >> =)
I was thinking more of a Gary Larson cartoon.
On 19/01/2025 00:39, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
I think they now have enough good DNA to literallySometimes it seems they already have. Being cold lovers, they all live
revive the Neanderthals.
in Russia now.
"Engineers" should never go beyond a four year degree. These days that
type of people shouldn't even go beyond an associates degree.
Get your technicians' certificate. That's what you want.
Rensselaer was way too much for a Bible nut.
On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 13:55:36 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:
He thinks he is superior to people who take simple delight in cowboy"Engineers" should never go beyond a four year degree. These days that
type of people shouldn't even go beyond an associates degree.
Get your technicians' certificate. That's what you want.
Rensselaer was way too much for a Bible nut.
Bible nut? Where the fuck in your diseased imagination did that come
from?
On 08/02/2025 20:16, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 13:55:36 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:He thinks he is superior to people who take simple delight in cowboy hats, caps on backwards, V8 trucks and rollin' coal and listening to Lainey Wilson. And going to church on Sunday.
"Engineers" should never go beyond a four year degree. These days that
type of people shouldn't even go beyond an associates degree.
Get your technicians' certificate. That's what you want.
Rensselaer was way too much for a Bible nut.
Bible nut? Where the fuck in your diseased imagination did that come
from?
Me? I envy them. I wish I could be that plain honest and simple.
On 09/02/2025 04:40, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
nubile insincere women
The problem is either they wont let go of you or you cant let go of them. Dont mock human nature. It will bite you on the bum.
On Sun, 9 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
He thinks he is superior to people who take simple delight in cowboy hats, >> caps on backwards, V8 trucks and rollin' coal and listening to Lainey Wilson.
And going to church on Sunday.
Me? I envy them. I wish I could be that plain honest and simple.
It's never to late to start! Although, living in the UK, people might look
at you in weird ways if you walk around in a cowboy hat. ;)
And here we are now with AI. Depending on how you count this is the third cycle of promising the world, falling on your ass, and going back to the drawing board for a decade or two.
But, it all started with a branch of psychology: how does that wetware
work?
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sun, 9 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
He thinks he is superior to people who take simple delight in cowboy hats, >>> caps on backwards, V8 trucks and rollin' coal and listening to Lainey Wilson.
And going to church on Sunday.
Me? I envy them. I wish I could be that plain honest and simple.
It's never to late to start! Although, living in the UK, people might look >> at you in weird ways if you walk around in a cowboy hat. ;)
I've got broad-brimmed hats that are about the Australian
equivalent. I did once decide to put one back in the car while
walking around the centre of a large city. I didn't mind the looks,
but the dickhead shouting "hey cowboy!" from a passing car was a
bit too much.
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:
And here we are now with AI. Depending on how you count this is the
third
cycle of promising the world, falling on your ass, and going back to the
drawing board for a decade or two.
This is the truth! I wonder how spectacular the crash will be? What
gives me
hope is that all of the AI startups, sucking in billions are private. I
hope
that this will shield the stock market _somewhat_ from the worst effects of collapse.
Today I heard about the first EB opportunity in storage. I remember when
I sold
my first PB deal, and I thought that was incredible. Today, the first EB opportunity. I hope I will get the chance to sell a EB solution. That
would be
nice! =D
But, it all started with a branch of psychology: how does that wetware
work?
This is the truth! I wonder how spectacular the crash will be? What
gives me hope is that all of the AI startups, sucking in billions are private. I hope that this will shield the stock market _somewhat_ from
the worst effects of collapse.
I've always been impressed with things like baby cows and horses and
even elephants. They pop out and within an hour are trotting around
and acting all appropriate. Where did human ancestors go wrong ???
Elephants are smart large-brained critters too - not like 'born
ready'
is limited to pinheaded things. NNs should aim at being E-lephants
when you press the "ON" button, with a lot of How To and How To Do
Better already burned in there.
On 2/10/25 4:41 PM, D wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025, candycanearter07 wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 21:19 this Saturday (GMT):
[snip]
My most powerful software was a multi-path checker to a storage system >>>> that held a lot of pension money.[snip]
It was written in bash. =D
Ok, ok... I wrote a GUI for some kind of batch job mgmt software that
IBM
hobbled together in order to trace dependencies, that was done in
python.
Did you use something like tkinter?
Hmm, it was a long time ago, so I no longer remember. I _think_ it was
some kind of graph library that enabled you to generate graphics based
on some kind of node and vertice notation. It then generated a pdf which
you would zoom into, which visualized all the dependencies of all the
batch jobs. Sorry, that's about the best I can do. The code is long lost
in time, like tears in rain.
"Vector" graphics ? You don't see that approach much
any more. Was most popular when you could buy vector
CRT displays - think 1950s/60s movies about NORAD or
similar. They didn't have the stuff for big sharp
bitmaps so you just had the CRT move a bright dot
around XY coords. Kinda like working a pen potter.
Vector makes no sense but with anything but CRTs
as the dot path is made by directly driving the XY
coils in the tube rather than any kind of 'scan'
being involved.
Hmmm ... I think there was an old 'asteroid' kind
of arcade game that used vector. Very sharp, bright,
quick outline drawings.
On 2025-02-11, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
On 2/10/25 4:41 PM, D wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025, candycanearter07 wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 21:19 this Saturday (GMT):
[snip]
My most powerful software was a multi-path checker to a storage system >>>>> that held a lot of pension money.[snip]
It was written in bash. =D
Ok, ok... I wrote a GUI for some kind of batch job mgmt software that >>>>> IBM
hobbled together in order to trace dependencies, that was done in
python.
Did you use something like tkinter?
Hmm, it was a long time ago, so I no longer remember. I _think_ it was
some kind of graph library that enabled you to generate graphics based
on some kind of node and vertice notation. It then generated a pdf which >>> you would zoom into, which visualized all the dependencies of all the
batch jobs. Sorry, that's about the best I can do. The code is long lost >>> in time, like tears in rain.
"Vector" graphics ? You don't see that approach much
any more. Was most popular when you could buy vector
CRT displays - think 1950s/60s movies about NORAD or
similar. They didn't have the stuff for big sharp
bitmaps so you just had the CRT move a bright dot
around XY coords. Kinda like working a pen potter.
Vector makes no sense but with anything but CRTs
as the dot path is made by directly driving the XY
coils in the tube rather than any kind of 'scan'
being involved.
Hmmm ... I think there was an old 'asteroid' kind
of arcade game that used vector. Very sharp, bright,
quick outline drawings.
Yes, there was an Asteroid arcade game that used vector graphics
on a CRT. It was a rather pretty picture.
Tektronix had some fairly nice (but expensive) BASIC machines in
the late 1970s and into the earlier 1980s in the 4050 series:
4051 6800 and ~12" perfectly flat screen 1024x768
4052 bit-slice ~20MHz, same screen as 4051
4054 bit-slice ~20MHz, 19" curved screen 4Kx3K
Everything in BASIC was 64-bit FP, for which the bit-slice CPU
had an opcode for FP add/sub/mult/div. I don't remember whether
trig functions were opcodes or done by the ROM.
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 12:04:25 +0100, D wrote:
I buy them coffee and cinnamon rolls, so this is a great advantage!
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:
Whatever happened to bourbon and hookers?
On 2025-02-10, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Wrong country. If I lived in the US, this might be arranged. ;)
Booze and floozies are fine when it is someone else's money and they
don't deduct the expenses from your commission.
When it is your own company, spending is weighed against whether it
really improves the chances of making a sale.
On 2/10/25 4:50 PM, D wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 12:04:25 +0100, D wrote:
I buy them coffee and cinnamon rolls, so this is a great advantage!
Whatever happened to bourbon and hookers?
Wrong country. If I lived in the US, this might be arranged. ;)
Well, the cinnamon+coffee is probably appropriate
to the left coast :-)
Dallas - bourbon, strippers and bootleg Cuban cigars :-)
On 2/10/25 4:50 PM, D wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:
And here we are now with AI. Depending on how you count this is the third >>> cycle of promising the world, falling on your ass, and going back to the >>> drawing board for a decade or two.
This is the truth! I wonder how spectacular the crash will be? What gives
me
hope is that all of the AI startups, sucking in billions are private. I
hope
that this will shield the stock market _somewhat_ from the worst effects of >> collapse.
Yesterday, kinda-broke France put 100 billion into 'AI'.
Modern "AI" does have its uses, but also seems to have
limitations that will cap its utility. Not sure the
current approaches will ever graduate from "AI" to "EI".
Of course MAYBE that's a good thing ...
Today I heard about the first EB opportunity in storage. I remember when I >> sold
my first PB deal, and I thought that was incredible. Today, the first EB
opportunity. I hope I will get the chance to sell a EB solution. That would >> be
nice! =D
But, it all started with a branch of psychology: how does that wetware
work?
You want "physiological psychology", not the freshman-friendly
Psych-101.
To emulate the wetware you need something a lot like neural
networks. This may not be the best way - Nature made do with
what it had - but there may be some functional equations
hidden down in all that goo which can be used effectively.
NNs are 'getting better', after a LONG time, but LLMs were
the 'easier' faster way to get pretend IQ so that's where
the money went.
I've always been impressed with things like baby cows
and horses and even elephants. They pop out and within
an hour are trotting around and acting all appropriate.
Where did human ancestors go wrong ??? Elephants are
smart large-brained critters too - not like 'born ready'
is limited to pinheaded things. NNs should aim at being
E-lephants when you press the "ON" button, with a lot
of How To and How To Do Better already burned in there.
Current NNs ... well ... we're MISSING SOMETHING, some
kind of "it" ... and clearly it's not easy to identify.
Hmmmm ... idea ... put the LLMs onto improving NNs :-)
Maybe LLMs don't have the tilt/bias/blindspot that keeps
us from seeing how to make NNs great ? LLMs might be
able to do 1000 years worth of experimental tweaks
over a long weekend and eval the results.
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 22:45:28 +0100, D wrote:
Are you gearing up for a project or just for fun?
Just for fun. The project part is TBD. My problem is there are many
things I *could* do, and not too much that I *want* done. For example I
would have no problem building the automated house from hell mostly from stuff i have lying around and then I ask myself why?
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 22:50:03 +0100, D wrote:
This is the truth! I wonder how spectacular the crash will be? What
gives me hope is that all of the AI startups, sucking in billions are
private. I hope that this will shield the stock market _somewhat_ from
the worst effects of collapse.
If it does blow up it will be dramatic. Previous iterations of 'AI',
neural nets, expert systems, fuzzy logic, and so forth were mainly
software. Neural networks fizzled because the hardware wasn't available.
Now you have Nvidia as the stock market poster child but Meta, Amazon, Google, and OpenAI are pouring money into proprietary chip development. Google labeled theirs TPU, tensor processing unit, which is more accurate than GPU. No graphics involved.
After you have the design you need a foundry. TSMC is printing money but others want a slice of the pie. Intel seems to be self destructing but
money is still being spent on fab lines.
Net, when you have your GPU/TPUs in hand is housing the whole mess,
including the increased demand for cooling and power. Expert systems
didn't have software companies buying nuclear reactors.
https://www.ans.org/news/article-5842/amazon-buys-nuclearpowered-data- center-from-talen/
Then there are the companies like Dell that are salivating about
corporations buying new boxes to run AI.
There's a lot of money laying on a house of cards. Color me cynical but
I've lived through all the AI winters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter
Yes, there are connections to Nvidia, that is true, and second order
effects would spread to the listed global IT hardware boys.
But I wonder how isolated the crash will be? It is natural that the
stock markets in general, will go down, this is the truth. But how much?
After all, regardless of if we have LLM:s, houses need to be built,
banking needs to be done, and food needs to be eaten.
One of the more boring tasks that I would like to be automated is trip planning. Comparing plane ticket prices, routes, times, finding a good
hotel, booking that, finding a rental car, comparing all the prices, suggesting sights to see for the wife. It seems to me that this should
be entirely possible to automate.
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 12:14:38 +0100, D wrote:
One of the more boring tasks that I would like to be automated is trip
planning. Comparing plane ticket prices, routes, times, finding a good
hotel, booking that, finding a rental car, comparing all the prices,
suggesting sights to see for the wife. It seems to me that this should
be entirely possible to automate.
I haven't flown for personal travel since 2004. My car trips are ad hoc
and I like it that way. I have a general idea of where I'm going but I
don't always get there.
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/
That is a helpful site to keep me amused. You find stuff like
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/14588
I've been there several times. I forget what the admission is, maybe $6,
but I overpay because I enjoy it so much and want to keep it alive.
Picture a magpie who has been collecting stuff for 40 years, and by stuff
I mean anything. There is some attempt at grouping for the indoor
collection but the outdoors is mostly where the item fit.
That one is local for me but I've found similar gems across the country. Small town museums that weren't created by professional museum designers
are wonderful.
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 12:10:05 +0100
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
After all, regardless of if we have LLM:s, houses need to be built,
banking needs to be done, and food needs to be eaten.
(Shhh, don't tell anyone.)
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 12:10:05 +0100, D wrote:
Yes, there are connections to Nvidia, that is true, and second order
effects would spread to the listed global IT hardware boys.
But I wonder how isolated the crash will be? It is natural that the
stock markets in general, will go down, this is the truth. But how much?
After all, regardless of if we have LLM:s, houses need to be built,
banking needs to be done, and food needs to be eaten.
One word -- dotcom.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sun, 9 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
He thinks he is superior to people who take simple delight in cowboy hats, >>> caps on backwards, V8 trucks and rollin' coal and listening to Lainey Wilson.
And going to church on Sunday.
Me? I envy them. I wish I could be that plain honest and simple.
It's never to late to start! Although, living in the UK, people might look >> at you in weird ways if you walk around in a cowboy hat. ;)
I've got broad-brimmed hats that are about the Australian
equivalent. I did once decide to put one back in the car while
walking around the centre of a large city. I didn't mind the looks,
but the dickhead shouting "hey cowboy!" from a passing car was a
bit too much.
You are a happy man, free as a bird! I am married which does add some constraints to my life such as forced travel abroad at least once a
year.
=(
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025, John Ames wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 12:10:05 +0100
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
After all, regardless of if we have LLM:s, houses need to be built,
banking needs to be done, and food needs to be eaten.
(Shhh, don't tell anyone.)
Apologies! ;)
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 22:03:44 +0100, D wrote:
Ahh... those were better times. But with complicated system designs,
how did you join several 100s of napkins together?
Or was one napkin the constraint put on all the designs?
You can get a lot on a napkin. One night at the Ramada Inn bar I got into
a discussion with a contractor who was calling on one of the defense industries in the area. I roughed out a scheme for an electronic firing system for something like a mini-gun. It must have been good because he called me the next day with a job offer. I declined because I couldn't remember what sort of smoke I had been blowing the night before.
Yeah, I was definitely in that culture.
On 2025-02-10, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Procreation is overrated. ;) My genes already exists numerous times all
over the planet, although not in their current configuration. Having a
child will not change that. I am already immortal! ;)
You're shirking your sacred duty to The Economy to create more consumers. (But what the heck, so am I.)
On 2025-02-10, Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sun, 9 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
He thinks he is superior to people who take simple delight in cowboy hats, >>>> caps on backwards, V8 trucks and rollin' coal and listening to Lainey Wilson.
And going to church on Sunday.
Me? I envy them. I wish I could be that plain honest and simple.
It's never to late to start! Although, living in the UK, people might look >>> at you in weird ways if you walk around in a cowboy hat. ;)
I've got broad-brimmed hats that are about the Australian
equivalent. I did once decide to put one back in the car while
walking around the centre of a large city. I didn't mind the looks,
but the dickhead shouting "hey cowboy!" from a passing car was a
bit too much.
On a trip to Portland some years ago I picked up a broad-brimmed hat
at the Pendleton store. It's just far enough from "cowboy" to avoid
all such comments.
https://www.pendleton-usa.com/product/ranger-wool-felt-hat/38196Z.html?dwvar_38196Z_color=41228
I still get compliments on it.
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 22:01:57 +0100, D wrote:
You are a happy man, free as a bird! I am married which does add some
constraints to my life such as forced travel abroad at least once a
year.
=(
My wife was the world traveler. She would bring souvenirs home. It's long gone but for some reason I thought about the balalaika she brought from
the USSR recently. When I picked her up at the airport her first words
were 'Take me to MacDonalds'. Soviet food was nourishing but she'd seen enough piroshki to last for a while.
Ahh... where you able to stop her from travelling? If so, what is the
trick?
Never been to russia, but an acquaintance went to celebrate new years
there some years ago. Orange juice was super expensive, but vodka was
almost free.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:37:33 +0100, D wrote:
Ahh... where you able to stop her from travelling? If so, what is the
trick?
Why? She didn't drag me along.
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:37:33 +0100, D wrote:
Ahh... where you able to stop her from travelling? If so, what is the
trick?
Why? She didn't drag me along.
That's atypical. Most wives who have the "must travel" virus also have
the "must drag husband along, whether he wants to go or not" virus too.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:37:33 +0100, D wrote:
Ahh... where you able to stop her from travelling? If so, what is the
trick?
Why? She didn't drag me along. We did do some road trips but Canada was
the limit as far as international travel went.
Never been to russia, but an acquaintance went to celebrate new years
there some years ago. Orange juice was super expensive, but vodka was
almost free.
She went in '70 iirc. One of her degrees is in art history so it was a culture vulture tour and the InTourist 'guide' kept them on a short leash. She did manage to slip the leash a couple of times and talk to people. The usual question was 'You got blue jeans?' She was impressed that despite shortages the pivo wagons circulated like adult Good Humor trucks. The government realized what was really important. Keep the booze flowing.
My brother went in the '90s after the fall of the USSR. From his
description that era was even worse than the Soviets. It seems
inconceivable in the west but I can see how some Russians remember Stalin
as the good old days.
My wife was the world traveler. She would bring souvenirs home. It's long
gone but for some reason I thought about the balalaika she brought from
the USSR recently. When I picked her up at the airport her first words
were 'Take me to MacDonalds'. Soviet food was nourishing but she'd seen
enough piroshki to last for a while.
Ahh... where you able to stop her from travelling? If so, what is the
trick? ;)
Never been to russia, but an acquaintance went to celebrate new years
there some years ago. Orange juice was super expensive, but vodka was
almost free.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025, Rich wrote:Divorce works
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:37:33 +0100, D wrote:
Ahh... where you able to stop her from travelling? If so, what is the
trick?
Why? She didn't drag me along.
That's atypical. Most wives who have the "must travel" virus also have
the "must drag husband along, whether he wants to go or not" virus too.
This is the truth! Dear c.o.l.m:ers, if you have found the cure, please
tell me!
std::array<int, 5> arr = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5};
for (int element : arr)
std::cout << element << " ";
On 13/02/2025 04:41, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 2/12/25 11:01 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Yes.
On 12/02/2025 22:54, John Ames wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 17:09:18 -0500The problem with languages designed to let stupid people program safely is >>> that as in the case with all highest common factor legislation, the
"WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
As for including size info in arrays ... makes good sense to me. EZ
to know what you're dealing with. Liked the old short-strings in
Turbo - the first byte was the string length.
There's definitely an argument to be made for including bounds info as >>>> part of the array structure. There's no argument (that I've ever heard) >>>> to be made for making it part of the *type specification.* Any line of >>>> reasoning that says a carton of six eggs and a carton of twelve eggs
are somehow different *kinds* of objects and their contents incomparable >>>> is fundamentally deranged.
majority suffers to protect the few idiots from themselves.
But IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY ???
There have always been some idiots in programming/development.You can trade efficiency of the generated code for efficiency in writing it. By adopting standard engineering practicves iof quality control
That percentage, for a number of reasons, seems to have steeply
increased.
Almost ALL of western economies absolutely DEPEND on the
net/cloud/systems in order to function - commerce, banking,
the infrastructure, transport, energy, supply/demand, mil
and security - ALL of it.
As it appears very difficult to weed out the idiots, and
years to create a new class of Competent, the second tier
approach is to COPE with them. Alas this means much more
'idiot-proof' computer languages/systems no matter the
cost/hassle to the competent fraction.
Code needs to be tested and certified like an aircraft or a car., and if it doesn't work it needs to go back and be fixed by random code monkeys until it works better.
And once you have a good stable design dont fuck with it.
Modern software is always being randomly fiddled with to make it more marketable.
Nobody wants to hear this, but Real is Real.
As for including type info - limits and more - the effective
overhead in these days of gigabit flow and GHz multicore chips
is negligible. As such I'd say to include it one way or another.
Well it isn't negligible. My friend who does research into huge mathematical matrices has been busy translating some Intel assembler that makes use of 512 bit registers, into C.
So he can port the code to ARM. It runs at a shade less than half the speed. Since a full run takes several months, this is significant.
He really doesn't need some random memory management getting in the way. His arrays typically exceed the memory size of the machine (128Gbyte I think) and need custom tuning to get swapped in and out efficiently.
I think the real problem is that code is written for consumers, even when it needs to be of professional quality. Banking software that ought to be rock solid COBOL is given a pretty face with java and javascript to make the thing appeal to modern numpties who think that a smart phone is 'hi tech' and where it's at..
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:
My wife was the world traveler. She would bring souvenirs home. It's long >>> gone but for some reason I thought about the balalaika she brought from
the USSR recently. When I picked her up at the airport her first words
were 'Take me to MacDonalds'. Soviet food was nourishing but she'd seen
enough piroshki to last for a while.
On 2025-02-12, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Ahh... where you able to stop her from travelling? If so, what is the
trick? ;)
Never been to russia, but an acquaintance went to celebrate new years
there some years ago. Orange juice was super expensive, but vodka was
almost free.
My second wife dropped out of college to become an au pair for a US
embassy family in Moscow; she really wanted to see if the Russians were
as evil as the cold war propaganda was making them out to be. Along the
way, she met and married a Russian artist with a master's degree in icon painting and restoration. Eventually she brought him ack to California,
and after his parents (an orthodox priest and his wife) joined them,
they divorced. 15 years later, she had married me and we had a baby. Her
best friend persuaded her to lead a tour of friends and family to the
places she had visited with her husband back in the day. We spent a week
in Yalta, then a couple of days each in Tashkent, Samarkand, Tblisi,
Moscow and Leningrad. Very interesting. Yalta was a gated-off resort for
the elite, but even there, the grocery stores had mostly empty shelves.
There are good examples I think we could learn from. SQlite and Postgres
come to mind as software projects that have been quite solid.
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 07:44:54 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
Turbo Pascal didn't come 'round until 1983, though - a whopping 13
years into the language's history. And some of Wirth's staggering
mis- features earned the B&D label all by themselves ("solving"
bounds- checking issues by making array size part of the type
specification is something only a truly demented brain could ever
conceive of.)
Can you say "std::array<>"?
I knew you could. :-)
C++ never met an idea too bad to copy ;)
On 2/12/25 3:20 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote at 23:31 this Monday (GMT):
On 2/10/25 1:40 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 21:19 this Saturday (GMT):
[snip]
My most powerful software was a multi-path checker to a storage system >>>>> that held a lot of pension money.
It was written in bash. =D
Ok, ok... I wrote a GUI for some kind of batch job mgmt software that IBM >>>>> hobbled together in order to trace dependencies, that was done in python. >>>> [snip]
Did you use something like tkinter?
TKinter works. Not ultra-elegant but functional.
I've used it for several projects with pop-up
windows and touch-screens and such. Did find that
you get less grief if you don't CLOSE those windows
but just send 'em off to negative screen coords.
Then on signal from a touch-screen or timer or
whatever you just drag 'em back into view and
make whatever updates.
TK is also pretty well documented since it's been
around for awhile. Actually none of the graphics
toolkits are particularly 'elegant' or great joys
to use so go with what seems easiest for the job.
Mostly if I need something with a quickie GUI then
I use Lazarus/FPC when possible. The WYSIWYG form
builder with a zillion possible options is WAY nicer
than the line-at-a-time TK approach plus Pascal looks
much nicer than Python or 'C'.
I would still probably use TK for a really quick GUI, but I prefer
terminal ui's nowadays.
You can do good stuff with TUIs these days, no question.
However if your app is graphics-heavy or very mousey/
touchscreeny then TK or friends are likely better.
One size doesn't fit all.
Lazarus lets you whip up a GUI fast, and there are
a zillion settings/hooks for each screen element you
can tweak as needed. Pascal is not as popular as it
once was, but it's a good and very complete lang and,
IMHO, worth being familiar with.
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:[snip]
[snip]Modern software is always being randomly fiddled with to make it more
marketable.
There are good examples I think we could learn from. SQlite and Postgres
come to mind as software projects that have been quite solid.
I will meet the creator of curl in a few months, and I will ask (if I remember) his opinion on how to write good quality software.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 21:10 this Thursday (GMT):
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
[snip]Modern software is always being randomly fiddled with to make it more
marketable.
There are good examples I think we could learn from. SQlite and Postgres
come to mind as software projects that have been quite solid.
I will meet the creator of curl in a few months, and I will ask (if I
remember) his opinion on how to write good quality software.
Wow, that's really cool! Is it for a conference or something?
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:10:25 +0100, D wrote:
There are good examples I think we could learn from. SQlite and Postgres
come to mind as software projects that have been quite solid.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/27/ microsoft_builds_open_source_document/
Strange bedfellows.
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:10:25 +0100, D wrote:Strange. I don't like it! Will their tentacles destroy the project?
There are good examples I think we could learn from. SQlite and
Postgres come to mind as software projects that have been quite solid.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/27/
microsoft_builds_open_source_document/
Strange bedfellows.
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 09:43:37 +0100, D wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:10:25 +0100, D wrote:Strange. I don't like it! Will their tentacles destroy the project?
There are good examples I think we could learn from. SQlite and
Postgres come to mind as software projects that have been quite solid.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/27/
microsoft_builds_open_source_document/
Strange bedfellows.
I don't think so although their choice of Postgres rather than SQL Server
is interesting. The target seems to be MongoDB. If you want to get
paranoid MongoDB is funded in part by In-Q-Tel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, candycanearter07 wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 21:10 this Thursday (GMT):
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
[snip]Modern software is always being randomly fiddled with to make it more
marketable.
There are good examples I think we could learn from. SQlite and Postgres >>> come to mind as software projects that have been quite solid.
I will meet the creator of curl in a few months, and I will ask (if I
remember) his opinion on how to write good quality software.
Wow, that's really cool! Is it for a conference or something?
Yes... a nice, small, community oriented conference, so plenty of time to shake hands and ask questions. =)
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 08:46 this Friday (GMT):
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, candycanearter07 wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 21:10 this Thursday (GMT):
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
[snip]Modern software is always being randomly fiddled with to make it more >>>>> marketable.
There are good examples I think we could learn from. SQlite and Postgres >>>> come to mind as software projects that have been quite solid.
I will meet the creator of curl in a few months, and I will ask (if I
remember) his opinion on how to write good quality software.
Wow, that's really cool! Is it for a conference or something?
Yes... a nice, small, community oriented conference, so plenty of time to
shake hands and ask questions. =)
Tell us how it goes!
On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 22:51:03 -0500, Joel wrote:
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 21:35:16 -0500, c186282 wrote:
The Borland products were GREAT STUFF from TP v1.0,
a whole different experience, a whole new level of productivity.
I preferred OWL to Mighty Fucking Complicated but so it goes.
I had Borland's Win95-era package, certainly was great in its time,
but ultimately it seems reasonable for M$ to provide development
software themselves, they're the ones creating the platform.
I've still got the box for Windows 3. Borland's C++ preceeded Microsoft's C/C++ 7.0. MFC was a very thin wrapper on the C API.
To Microsoft's defense C++ wasn't ready for prime time in the early '90s
and Microsoft had to invent their own conventions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_API
That does a good job of airing the dirty laundry. I don't know about Petzold's later in the series but his 'Programming Windows' books used C
and direct API calls. In the 6th edition he used C# and stated Microsoft
had finally come up with a decent language.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 08:46 this Friday (GMT):
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, candycanearter07 wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 21:10 this Thursday (GMT):
This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, >>>> while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.[snip]
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
[snip]Modern software is always being randomly fiddled with to make it more >>>>> marketable.
There are good examples I think we could learn from. SQlite and Postgres >>>> come to mind as software projects that have been quite solid.
I will meet the creator of curl in a few months, and I will ask (if I
remember) his opinion on how to write good quality software.
Wow, that's really cool! Is it for a conference or something?
Yes... a nice, small, community oriented conference, so plenty of time to
shake hands and ask questions. =)
Tell us how it goes!
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 08:46 this Friday (GMT):
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, candycanearter07 wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 21:10 this Thursday (GMT):
This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, >>>> while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.[snip]
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
[snip]Modern software is always being randomly fiddled with to make it more >>>>> marketable.
There are good examples I think we could learn from. SQlite and Postgres >>>> come to mind as software projects that have been quite solid.
I will meet the creator of curl in a few months, and I will ask (if I
remember) his opinion on how to write good quality software.
Wow, that's really cool! Is it for a conference or something?
Yes... a nice, small, community oriented conference, so plenty of time to
shake hands and ask questions. =)
Tell us how it goes!
On Sat, 15 Feb 2025, candycanearter07 wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 08:46 this Friday (GMT):
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, candycanearter07 wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 21:10 this Thursday (GMT):
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
[snip]Modern software is always being randomly fiddled with to make it more >>>>>> marketable.
There are good examples I think we could learn from. SQlite and Postgres >>>>> come to mind as software projects that have been quite solid.
I will meet the creator of curl in a few months, and I will ask (if I >>>>> remember) his opinion on how to write good quality software.
Wow, that's really cool! Is it for a conference or something?
Yes... a nice, small, community oriented conference, so plenty of time to >>> shake hands and ask questions. =)
Tell us how it goes!
Sure will, if I remember. It is in may, so a long time left. But it looks
as if things will shape up into a nice event. =)
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