https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14339365/Microsoft-users-report-issues-365-services-outage.html
Microsoft is down across the US as users report issues
with 365 services.
Downdetector, a website that tracks online outages, shows
major problems with the website, Outlook and logging
into accounts.
Issues hit Microsoft 365 services around 12:30pm ET.
. . .
Trust yer everything to M$ ! :-)
DownDetector indicates there are still problems
even now at 20:24 est.
I guess they'll blame "updates" again.
Because the Daily Mail and DownDetector are *such* good tools compared
to the 365 service health page? (which shows no current or recent
problems of that type).
<https://admin.cloud.microsoft/?#/servicehealth/history>
requires login ...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14339365/Microsoft- users-report-issues-365-services-outage.htmlBecause the Daily Mail and DownDetector are *such* good tools compared
Microsoft is down across the US as users report issues
with 365 services.
Downdetector, a website that tracks online outages, shows
major problems with the website, Outlook and logging
into accounts.
Issues hit Microsoft 365 services around 12:30pm ET.
. . .
Trust yer everything to M$ ! :-)
DownDetector indicates there are still problems
even now at 20:24 est.
I guess they'll blame "updates" again.
"WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14339365/Microsoft-
users-report-issues-365-services-outage.html
Microsoft is down across the US as users report issues
with 365 services.
Downdetector, a website that tracks online outages, shows
major problems with the website, Outlook and logging
into accounts.
Issues hit Microsoft 365 services around 12:30pm ET.
. . .
Trust yer everything to M$ ! :-)
DownDetector indicates there are still problems
even now at 20:24 est.
I guess they'll blame "updates" again.
Because the Daily Mail and DownDetector are *such* good tools compared
to the 365 service health page? (which shows no current or recent
problems of that type).
<https://admin.cloud.microsoft/?#/servicehealth/history>
requires login ...
Sure ... ask M$ if there's any prob with M$ stuff 🙂
On 30/01/2025 10:50, Andy Burns wrote:
Because the Daily Mail and DownDetector are *such* good tools compared to
the 365 service health page? (which shows no current or recent problems of >> that type).
Almost certainly. Admitting to faults can cost a large company serious money if the customers are on service guarantee contracts
<https://admin.cloud.microsoft/?#/servicehealth/history>
requires login ...
Well that's no effing good is it?
Andy Burns wrote:M365 only has a "three nines" SLA.
the 365 service health page? (which shows no current or recentproblems of that type).
Almost certainly. Admitting to faults can cost a large company serious money if the customers are on service guarantee contracts
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/01/2025 10:50, Andy Burns wrote:
Because the Daily Mail and DownDetector are *such* good tools
compared to the 365 service health page? (which shows no current or
recent problems of that type).
Almost certainly. Admitting to faults can cost a large company
serious money if the customers are on service guarantee contracts
<https://admin.cloud.microsoft/?#/servicehealth/history>
requires login ...
Well that's no effing good is it?
Indeed. Useless, like all of microsofts products.
On 2025-01-30 18:44, D wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/01/2025 10:50, Andy Burns wrote:
Because the Daily Mail and DownDetector are *such* good tools
compared to the 365 service health page? (which shows no current or
recent problems of that type).
Almost certainly. Admitting to faults can cost a large company
serious money if the customers are on service guarantee contracts
<https://admin.cloud.microsoft/?#/servicehealth/history>
requires login ...
Well that's no effing good is it?
Indeed. Useless, like all of microsofts products.
All, all... I like the fight simulator. There is flightgear, but it
doesn't make me enjoy the time that much. Using different keys doesn't
help.
On 2025-01-30 18:44, D wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/01/2025 10:50, Andy Burns wrote:
Because the Daily Mail and DownDetector are *such* good tools compared to >>>> the 365 service health page? (which shows no current or recent problems >>>> of that type).
Almost certainly. Admitting to faults can cost a large company serious >>> money if the customers are on service guarantee contracts
<https://admin.cloud.microsoft/?#/servicehealth/history>
requires login ...
Well that's no effing good is it?
Indeed. Useless, like all of microsofts products.
All, all... I like the fight simulator. There is flightgear, but it doesn't make me enjoy the time that much. Using different keys doesn't help.
On 1/31/25 9:26 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-30 18:44, D wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/01/2025 10:50, Andy Burns wrote:
Because the Daily Mail and DownDetector are *such* good tools compared >>>>> to the 365 service health page? (which shows no current or recent
problems of that type).
Almost certainly. Admitting to faults can cost a large company serious >>>> money if the customers are on service guarantee contracts
<https://admin.cloud.microsoft/?#/servicehealth/history>
requires login ...
Well that's no effing good is it?
Indeed. Useless, like all of microsofts products.
All, all... I like the fight simulator. There is flightgear, but it doesn't >> make me enjoy the time that much. Using different keys doesn't help.
I suspect "Andy", who we've never ever heard of,
is actually a M$ propaganda bot - running the
entirety of the net looking for bad stuff about
365 and other high-profit M$ products :-)
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/31/25 9:26 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-30 18:44, D wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/01/2025 10:50, Andy Burns wrote:
Because the Daily Mail and DownDetector are *such* good tools
compared to the 365 service health page? (which shows no current
or recent problems of that type).
Almost certainly. Admitting to faults can cost a large company
serious money if the customers are on service guarantee contracts
<https://admin.cloud.microsoft/?#/servicehealth/history>
requires login ...
Well that's no effing good is it?
Indeed. Useless, like all of microsofts products.
All, all... I like the fight simulator. There is flightgear, but it
doesn't make me enjoy the time that much. Using different keys
doesn't help.
I suspect "Andy", who we've never ever heard of,
is actually a M$ propaganda bot - running the
entirety of the net looking for bad stuff about
365 and other high-profit M$ products :-)
Ahhh.... that would explain it! =)
Reminds me of when I was young. There was a flight simulator on windows
3.11 I think, and the main joy was to crash the planes into buildings in
the most spectacular way. After you did that, they have like a re-run of
the crash.
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:00:03 +0100, D wrote:
Reminds me of when I was young. There was a flight simulator on windows
3.11 I think, and the main joy was to crash the planes into buildings in
the most spectacular way. After you did that, they have like a re-run of
the crash.
I had the original Microsoft Flight Simulator on DOS. All I can say it's a good thing I could fly a real Lark better than the simulator.
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:00:03 +0100, D wrote:
Reminds me of when I was young. There was a flight simulator on windows
3.11 I think, and the main joy was to crash the planes into buildings in
the most spectacular way. After you did that, they have like a re-run of
the crash.
I had the original Microsoft Flight Simulator on DOS. All I can say it's a good thing I could fly a real Lark better than the simulator.
I suspect "Andy", who we've never ever heard of,
is actually a M$ propaganda bot - running the
entirety of the net looking for bad stuff about
365 and other high-profit M$ products :-)
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:00:03 +0100, D wrote:
Reminds me of when I was young. There was a flight simulator on windows
3.11 I think, and the main joy was to crash the planes into buildings in
the most spectacular way. After you did that, they have like a re-run of
the crash.
I had the original Microsoft Flight Simulator on DOS. All I can say it's a good thing I could fly a real Lark better than the simulator.
On 2/1/25 12:25 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:00:03 +0100, D wrote:
Reminds me of when I was young. There was a flight simulator on windows
3.11 I think, and the main joy was to crash the planes into buildings in >>> the most spectacular way. After you did that, they have like a re-run of >>> the crash.
I had the original Microsoft Flight Simulator on DOS. All I can say
it's a
good thing I could fly a real Lark better than the simulator.
Tried to make a small plane with 300-foot
wings in the old Simulator. Never could get
it to fly :-)
And yea, actual planes WERE easier to fly
than the sims.
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:00:03 +0100, D wrote:
Reminds me of when I was young. There was a flight simulator on windows
3.11 I think, and the main joy was to crash the planes into buildings in >>> the most spectacular way. After you did that, they have like a re-run of >>> the crash.
I had the original Microsoft Flight Simulator on DOS. All I can say
it's a
good thing I could fly a real Lark better than the simulator.
I would like to own a private, single jet engine plane like the FLARIS
LAR01.
I must work harder so I can buy one without crying, and then I can
freely roam the world!
Or maybe I should buy a small yacht? I hear 60-90 ft should be enough to
take me over the atlantic when the season and weather permits.
The question is... will the wife accept it?
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-02-01 11:39, D wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:00:03 +0100, D wrote:
Reminds me of when I was young. There was a flight simulator
on windows 3.11 I think, and the main joy was to crash the
planes into buildings in the most spectacular way. After you
did that, they have like a re- run of the crash.
I had the original Microsoft Flight Simulator on DOS. All I
can say it's a good thing I could fly a real Lark better than
the simulator.
I would like to own a private, single jet engine plane like the
FLARIS LAR01.
I must work harder so I can buy one without crying, and then I
can freely roam the world!
Or maybe I should buy a small yacht? I hear 60-90 ft should be
enough to take me over the atlantic when the season and weather
permits.
The question is... will the wife accept it?
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big
misery.
Sounds reasonable, but does the spanish saying define "small craft"?
On 2025-02-01 11:39, D wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:00:03 +0100, D wrote:
Reminds me of when I was young. There was a flight simulator on windows >>>> 3.11 I think, and the main joy was to crash the planes into buildings in >>>> the most spectacular way. After you did that, they have like a re-run of >>>> the crash.
I had the original Microsoft Flight Simulator on DOS. All I can say it's a >>> good thing I could fly a real Lark better than the simulator.
I would like to own a private, single jet engine plane like the FLARIS
LAR01.
I must work harder so I can buy one without crying, and then I can freely
roam the world!
Or maybe I should buy a small yacht? I hear 60-90 ft should be enough to
take me over the atlantic when the season and weather permits.
The question is... will the wife accept it?
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big misery.
Or maybe I should buy a small yacht? I hear 60-90 ft should be enough to
take me over the atlantic when the season and weather permits.
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:47:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big misery.
Other nautical saying:
https://www.hauteresidence.com/olivia-hsu-decker-at-the-monaco-yacht-show/ a-pillow-on-a-yacht-saying-a-boat-is-a-hole-in-the-water-surrounded-by- wood-into-which-you-pour-money/
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big misery.
On 2025-02-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:47:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big misery.
Other nautical saying:
https://www.hauteresidence.com/olivia-hsu-decker-at-the-monaco-yacht-show/ >> a-pillow-on-a-yacht-saying-a-boat-is-a-hole-in-the-water-surrounded-by-
wood-into-which-you-pour-money/
It's been said that the two happiest days in a boat owner's life
are the day he buys it and the day he sells it.
On 2025-02-01 15:32, D wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-02-01 11:39, D wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:00:03 +0100, D wrote:
Reminds me of when I was young. There was a flight simulator
on windows 3.11 I think, and the main joy was to crash the
planes into buildings in the most spectacular way. After you
did that, they have like a re- run of the crash.
I had the original Microsoft Flight Simulator on DOS. All I
can say it's a good thing I could fly a real Lark better than
the simulator.
I would like to own a private, single jet engine plane like the FLARIS >>>> LAR01.
I must work harder so I can buy one without crying, and then I
can freely roam the world!
Or maybe I should buy a small yacht? I hear 60-90 ft should be
enough to take me over the atlantic when the season and weather
permits.
The question is... will the wife accept it?
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big
misery.
Sounds reasonable, but does the spanish saying define "small craft"?
Nope. The saying is relative, the smaller the craft, the worse misery
you get, in the sense of bigger waves, you get more seasick, the worse
it handles with storms :-p
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 11:39:43 +0100, D wrote:
Or maybe I should buy a small yacht? I hear 60-90 ft should be enough to
take me over the atlantic when the season and weather permits.
https://goodoldboat.com/book-review-the-boat-who-wouldnt-float/
It will keep you busy. I've sailed the coast of Maine up into New
Brunswick in an International 500 yawl similar to this:
https://owningdrift.home.blog/
Unfortunately the hull on this one has been painted except for the
transom. It's a mahogany hull and shouldn't be disguised. Of course that
means buying sandpaper by the ream, beer by the gallon, and whiling away
the spring sanding and varnishing. Then comes the fateful day of
launching. Wooden boats dry out and leak like a sieve when reintroduced to the water. Put a high volume pump aboard and hope for the best. The mantra
at that point is 'She'll make up.'
It was fun but it took care of my around the world sailing aspirations. I like to walk and I can't walk on water.
On 2025-02-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:47:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big misery.
Other nautical saying:
https://www.hauteresidence.com/olivia-hsu-decker-at-the-monaco-yacht-show/ >> a-pillow-on-a-yacht-saying-a-boat-is-a-hole-in-the-water-surrounded-by-
wood-into-which-you-pour-money/
It's been said that the two happiest days in a boat owner's life
are the day he buys it and the day he sells it.
On 2025-02-01, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-02-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:47:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big misery. >>>Other nautical saying:
https://www.hauteresidence.com/olivia-hsu-decker-at-the-monaco-yacht-show/ >>> a-pillow-on-a-yacht-saying-a-boat-is-a-hole-in-the-water-surrounded-by-
wood-into-which-you-pour-money/
It's been said that the two happiest days in a boat owner's life
are the day he buys it and the day he sells it.
Same with airplanes.
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-02-01, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-02-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:47:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big misery. >>>>Other nautical saying:
https://www.hauteresidence.com/olivia-hsu-decker-at-the-monaco-yacht-show/ >>>> a-pillow-on-a-yacht-saying-a-boat-is-a-hole-in-the-water-surrounded-by- >>>> wood-into-which-you-pour-money/
It's been said that the two happiest days in a boat owner's life
are the day he buys it and the day he sells it.
Same with airplanes.
Damn it Lars! So that one is out too? ;)
Revision... I buy a plane _and_ a pilot then. You guys are really party poopers! ;)
Yes! That's why I was thinking 60-90 ft for a more pleasant journey.
Also,
every season there are 2 optimal windows for sailing over the atlantic
as far as I can understand. In a small boat, never try outside that
window.
Now, that leaves me with the one about the single jet engine plane!
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 11:39:10 +0100, D wrote:
Yes! That's why I was thinking 60-90 ft for a more pleasant journey.
Also,
every season there are 2 optimal windows for sailing over the atlantic
as far as I can understand. In a small boat, never try outside that
window.
If you miss Iceland you may wind up in America. Farley Mowat has been criticized for accuracy but his book 'Westviking' is a good read.
On 2025-02-02, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-02-01, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-02-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:47:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big misery. >>>>>Other nautical saying:
https://www.hauteresidence.com/olivia-hsu-decker-at-the-monaco-yacht-show/
a-pillow-on-a-yacht-saying-a-boat-is-a-hole-in-the-water-surrounded-by- >>>>> wood-into-which-you-pour-money/
It's been said that the two happiest days in a boat owner's life
are the day he buys it and the day he sells it.
Same with airplanes.
Damn it Lars! So that one is out too? ;)
Revision... I buy a plane _and_ a pilot then. You guys are really party
poopers! ;)
For the amount of time you spend enjoying each of them, you are better
off renting by the day/hour.
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 11:44:37 +0100, D wrote:
Now, that leaves me with the one about the single jet engine plane!
There is a slightly used one available in Philadelphia. Bring a trailer.
There was a guy in Vermont who managed to buy a de-militarized MiG. Now
there was a conversation piece.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a25836654/for-sale-one- mig-29-fighter-jet/
You would need a multi-engine rating though.
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 11:39:10 +0100, D wrote:
Yes! That's why I was thinking 60-90 ft for a more pleasant journey.
Also,
every season there are 2 optimal windows for sailing over the atlantic
as far as I can understand. In a small boat, never try outside that
window.
If you miss Iceland you may wind up in America. Farley Mowat has been criticized for accuracy but his book 'Westviking' is a good read.
On 02/02/2025 20:41, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 11:39:10 +0100, D wrote:
Yes! That's why I was thinking 60-90 ft for a more pleasant journey.
Also,
every season there are 2 optimal windows for sailing over the atlantic
as far as I can understand. In a small boat, never try outside that
window.
If you miss Iceland you may wind up in America. Farley Mowat has been
criticized for accuracy but his book 'Westviking' is a good read.
I thought the approved route was down to the Canaries beam on to the westerlies and and then a steady aft breeze from the trade winds...ending up in the West Indies. Much nicer than Florida.
Probably not much more than a month if sailing easy.
For the amount of time you spend enjoying each of them, you are better
off renting by the day/hour.
This is probably the truth and also probably how 99% travel that way! But
I imagine that getting that to work would mean living in a big country
with a big market. Otherwise it would probably take a bit of planning. =(
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
For the amount of time you spend enjoying each of them, you are better
off renting by the day/hour.
On 2025-02-02, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
This is probably the truth and also probably how 99% travel that way! But
I imagine that getting that to work would mean living in a big country
with a big market. Otherwise it would probably take a bit of planning. =(
I think every airport with a general aviation flight school will rent
out planes. Not sure if the same is true of marinas in Europe, but
certainly in my California town there is no shortage of boats for rent.
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-02-01, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-02-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:47:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big
misery.
Other nautical saying:
https://www.hauteresidence.com/olivia-hsu-decker-at-the-monaco-yacht-show/ >>>>
a-pillow-on-a-yacht-saying-a-boat-is-a-hole-in-the-water-surrounded-by- >>>> wood-into-which-you-pour-money/
It's been said that the two happiest days in a boat owner's life
are the day he buys it and the day he sells it.
Same with airplanes.
Damn it Lars! So that one is out too? ;)
Revision... I buy a plane _and_ a pilot then. You guys are really party poopers! ;)
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-02-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:47:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big misery. >>>Other nautical saying:
https://www.hauteresidence.com/olivia-hsu-decker-at-the-monaco-yacht-show/ >>>
a-pillow-on-a-yacht-saying-a-boat-is-a-hole-in-the-water-surrounded-by-
wood-into-which-you-pour-money/
It's been said that the two happiest days in a boat owner's life
are the day he buys it and the day he sells it.
Ok, ok, I get the message! Apparently the yacht idea seems to be a bad
one. ;)
Now, that leaves me with the one about the single jet engine plane!
On 2/2/25 5:44 AM, D wrote:
Now, that leaves me with the one about the single jet engine plane!
A few people make those ... some look snazzy.
I think Honda+Piper was working on one but
Covid+recession may have ended that.
The old BD-5J was maybe the ultimate - but you
likely had to have someone stomp on you so
you'd settle in the seat :-)
On 2025-02-03, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
On 2/2/25 5:44 AM, D wrote:
Now, that leaves me with the one about the single jet engine plane!
A few people make those ... some look snazzy.
I think Honda+Piper was working on one but
Covid+recession may have ended that.
I occasionally see a Honda jet. Two engines, though -
but if you're spending that much money you might as
well have redundancy.
The old BD-5J was maybe the ultimate - but you
likely had to have someone stomp on you so
you'd settle in the seat :-)
Yes, I fell in lust with them when they came out. Even the
prop version would be a hoot. The gear was retracted by a
large handle between your legs, and could be done very fast -
at an airshow someone flew down the show line flapping his gear
at the crowd.
On 03/02/2025 06:29, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
It is reported that Charles Lindbergh was a
test pilot for the DC-3. He got it up to take-
off speed, raised the gear - then cut one engine
to see if it'd still climb
If he did it was a damn stupid thing to do.
In a twin there is a speed range in which although the aircraft has the
power to climb, rudder authority is so lacking that using full power
will net you an uncontrollable yaw.
Most WWI twins suffered from this. They could fly and land on one, but
not take off.
It is reported that Charles Lindbergh was a
test pilot for the DC-3. He got it up to take-
off speed, raised the gear - then cut one engine
to see if it'd still climb
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 11:45:25 +0100
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Same with airplanes.
Damn it Lars! So that one is out too? ;)
There's always ultralights - nothin' but a go-kart, a box fan, and a
big ol' parasail. Depending on your local regulations, may not even
need a license...!
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
For the amount of time you spend enjoying each of them, you are better
off renting by the day/hour.
On 2025-02-02, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
This is probably the truth and also probably how 99% travel that way! But
I imagine that getting that to work would mean living in a big country
with a big market. Otherwise it would probably take a bit of planning. =(
I think every airport with a general aviation flight school will rent
out planes. Not sure if the same is true of marinas in Europe, but
certainly in my California town there is no shortage of boats for rent.
On 2025-02-02, Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
For the amount of time you spend enjoying each of them, you are better >>>> off renting by the day/hour.
On 2025-02-02, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
This is probably the truth and also probably how 99% travel that way! But >>> I imagine that getting that to work would mean living in a big countryI think every airport with a general aviation flight school will rent
with a big market. Otherwise it would probably take a bit of planning. =( >>
out planes. Not sure if the same is true of marinas in Europe, but
certainly in my California town there is no shortage of boats for rent.
Still, it's kind of fun to be able to go out to the hangar and fly at whatever crazy hour the urge strikes me.
What the hell, if I don't spend the money the government will just
do it for me...
On 2/2/25 5:44 AM, D wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-02-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:47:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big misery. >>>>Other nautical saying:
https://www.hauteresidence.com/olivia-hsu-decker-at-the-monaco-yacht-show/ >>>> a-pillow-on-a-yacht-saying-a-boat-is-a-hole-in-the-water-surrounded-by- >>>> wood-into-which-you-pour-money/
It's been said that the two happiest days in a boat owner's life
are the day he buys it and the day he sells it.
Ok, ok, I get the message! Apparently the yacht idea seems to be a bad one. >> ;)
Now, that leaves me with the one about the single jet engine plane!
A few people make those ... some look snazzy.
I think Honda+Piper was working on one but
Covid+recession may have ended that.
The old BD-5J was maybe the ultimate - but you
likely had to have someone stomp on you so
you'd settle in the seat :-)
There's a mini-jet to be seen in a hanger I pass
from time to time, very nice. I'll remember the
brand name next time I see it.
On 2/2/25 5:45 AM, D wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-02-01, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-02-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:47:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big misery. >>>>>Other nautical saying:
https://www.hauteresidence.com/olivia-hsu-decker-at-the-monaco-yacht-show/
a-pillow-on-a-yacht-saying-a-boat-is-a-hole-in-the-water-surrounded-by- >>>>> wood-into-which-you-pour-money/
It's been said that the two happiest days in a boat owner's life
are the day he buys it and the day he sells it.
Same with airplanes.
Damn it Lars! So that one is out too? ;)
Revision... I buy a plane _and_ a pilot then. You guys are really party
poopers! ;)
Well, how about a mini zeppelin or blimp ? Big hot
air balloon with a tiny house under ? :-)
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 11:45:25 +0100
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Same with airplanes.
Damn it Lars! So that one is out too? ;)
There's always ultralights - nothin' but a go-kart, a box fan, and a
big ol' parasail. Depending on your local regulations, may not even
need a license...!
On 2025-02-03 19:38, John Ames wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 11:45:25 +0100
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Same with airplanes.
Damn it Lars! So that one is out too? ;)
There's always ultralights - nothin' but a go-kart, a box fan, and a
big ol' parasail. Depending on your local regulations, may not even
need a license...!
Forbidden in my entire area, because there is a military airport in the province.
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, John Ames wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 11:45:25 +0100
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Same with airplanes.
Damn it Lars! So that one is out too? ;)
There's always ultralights - nothin' but a go-kart, a box fan, and a
big ol' parasail. Depending on your local regulations, may not even
need a license...!
Hah... I live in europe. You need a government license to breathe in
europe. =(
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
For the amount of time you spend enjoying each of them, you are better >>>> off renting by the day/hour.
On 2025-02-02, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
This is probably the truth and also probably how 99% travel that way!
But
I imagine that getting that to work would mean living in a big country
with a big market. Otherwise it would probably take a bit of
planning. =(
I think every airport with a general aviation flight school will rent
out planes. Not sure if the same is true of marinas in Europe, but
certainly in my California town there is no shortage of boats for rent.
Truly, the land of the free! I suspect in europe you would need 48
different licenses and pay a million in taxes first. =(
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 2/2/25 5:45 AM, D wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-02-01, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-02-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:47:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big
misery.
Other nautical saying:
https://www.hauteresidence.com/olivia-hsu-decker-at-the-monaco-yacht-show/
a-pillow-on-a-yacht-saying-a-boat-is-a-hole-in-the-water-surrounded-by- >>>>>>
wood-into-which-you-pour-money/
It's been said that the two happiest days in a boat owner's life
are the day he buys it and the day he sells it.
Same with airplanes.
Damn it Lars! So that one is out too? ;)
Revision... I buy a plane _and_ a pilot then. You guys are really
party poopers! ;)
Well, how about a mini zeppelin or blimp ? Big hot
air balloon with a tiny house under ? :-)
It's already on my list of companies to start. A luxury zeppelin liner between europe and the US. I just need to find a billionaire to fund it first. =)
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, John Ames wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 11:45:25 +0100
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Same with airplanes.
Damn it Lars! So that one is out too? ;)
There's always ultralights - nothin' but a go-kart, a box fan, and a
big ol' parasail. Depending on your local regulations, may not even
need a license...!
Hah... I live in europe. You need a government license to breathe in
europe. =(
On 2025-02-03, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, John Ames wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 11:45:25 +0100
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Same with airplanes.
Damn it Lars! So that one is out too? ;)
There's always ultralights - nothin' but a go-kart, a box fan, and a
big ol' parasail. Depending on your local regulations, may not even
need a license...!
Hah... I live in europe. You need a government license to breathe in
europe. =(
The other day we re-watched the movie version of _The Hitchhiker's Guide
to the Galaxy_ (RIP Alan Rickman) and I picked up a new favourite line.
As our heroes attempted to negotiate the Vogon bureaucracy to save Trillian from being fed to the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal, Arthur Dent took the lead with the words: "I'm British. I know how to queue.
In the mid 70s I could show up and rent a small plane for $12.95 ...
and they threw in the tank of gasoline. Just show them your FAA
license and off you went - no muss, no fuss, no totalitarianism.
The spanish airforce sometimes trains close to my house in south eastern spain. I've never seen it myself but my father saw two planes flying
through a low ravine once. Very powerful sight!
Do you know anyone who has flown single engine jet planes? This is what
I want! =)
Do they send everybody a handbook on How To Poop also,
picture version for the toddlers and now-illiterate masses ?
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 22:53:06 +0100, D wrote:I knew a guy some years ago who flew Vampires, and indeed I knew someone
Do you know anyone who has flown single engine jet planes? This is what
I want! =)
I did know a guy who flew F-16s. It sort of ruined him for general
aviation. Definitely competent but jockeying a Skymaster just wasn't the same.
Maybe you could find a lightly used F-35. The US military was big on twin engines for a while but have went back to a single point of failure.
The spanish airforce sometimes trains close to my house in south eastern spain. I've never seen it myself but my father saw two planes
flying through a low ravine once. Very powerful sight!
On 03/02/2025 22:15, D wrote:
The spanish airforce sometimes trains close to my house in south
eastern spain. I've never seen it myself but my father saw two planes
flying through a low ravine once. Very powerful sight!
If that turns you on google "Mach loop you tube"
Looking down on aircraft dong 400mph+ with the observer holding up a
sign saying 'hi mom'...
On 2025-02-03, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, John Ames wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 11:45:25 +0100
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Same with airplanes.
Damn it Lars! So that one is out too? ;)
There's always ultralights - nothin' but a go-kart, a box fan, and a
big ol' parasail. Depending on your local regulations, may not even
need a license...!
Hah... I live in europe. You need a government license to breathe in
europe. =(
The other day we re-watched the movie version of _The Hitchhiker's Guide
to the Galaxy_ (RIP Alan Rickman) and I picked up a new favourite line.
As our heroes attempted to negotiate the Vogon bureaucracy to save Trillian from being fed to the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal, Arthur Dent took the lead with the words: "I'm British. I know how to queue."
On 2/3/25 4:52 PM, D wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
For the amount of time you spend enjoying each of them, you are better >>>>> off renting by the day/hour.
On 2025-02-02, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
This is probably the truth and also probably how 99% travel that way! But >>>> I imagine that getting that to work would mean living in a big country >>>> with a big market. Otherwise it would probably take a bit of planning. =( >>>I think every airport with a general aviation flight school will rent
out planes. Not sure if the same is true of marinas in Europe, but
certainly in my California town there is no shortage of boats for rent.
Truly, the land of the free! I suspect in europe you would need 48
different licenses and pay a million in taxes first. =(
In the mid 70s I could show up and rent a small
plane for $12.95 ... and they threw in the tank
of gasoline. Just show them your FAA license and
off you went - no muss, no fuss, no totalitarianism.
On 2/3/25 4:55 PM, D wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 2/2/25 5:45 AM, D wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-02-01, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-02-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:47:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Old nautical saying, translating from Spanish: Small craft, big >>>>>>>> misery.
Other nautical saying:
https://www.hauteresidence.com/olivia-hsu-decker-at-the-monaco-yacht-show/
a-pillow-on-a-yacht-saying-a-boat-is-a-hole-in-the-water-surrounded-by- >>>>>>> wood-into-which-you-pour-money/
It's been said that the two happiest days in a boat owner's life
are the day he buys it and the day he sells it.
Same with airplanes.
Damn it Lars! So that one is out too? ;)
Revision... I buy a plane _and_ a pilot then. You guys are really party >>>> poopers! ;)
Well, how about a mini zeppelin or blimp ? Big hot
air balloon with a tiny house under ? :-)
It's already on my list of companies to start. A luxury zeppelin liner
between europe and the US. I just need to find a billionaire to fund it
first. =)
The USA has a few who are into 'aviation' ....
Zeps are technically "better", but the framework
is subject to stress and can snap - even if it
was upgraded to titanium. Blimps spread the load
across the entire envelope and can thus survive
sudden wind gusts better. They may kinda fold
and shimmy, but don't snap.
Hmmmm ... maybe a 'hybrid' is possible now -
a blimp, but 'stiffened' a bit with like
graphite ribs so it's not SO floppy ?
On 2/3/25 5:14 PM, D wrote:
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, John Ames wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 11:45:25 +0100
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Same with airplanes.
Damn it Lars! So that one is out too? ;)
There's always ultralights - nothin' but a go-kart, a box fan, and a
big ol' parasail. Depending on your local regulations, may not even
need a license...!
Hah... I live in europe. You need a government license to breathe in
europe. =(
Do they send everybody a handbook on How To Poop also,
picture version for the toddlers and now-illiterate
masses ? :-)
USA anyhow, 'ultra-lights' and I think small auto-gyros do
not require a license. People build these things in their
back yard ... not always correctly alas.
There is a REASON bolts on aircraft often have those
lock-pins, a REASON you don't use lock-washer bolts
from the hardware store on thin-ish aluminum struts
and such, a REASON you don't use milk-based glue to
stick the cloth to your little dragonfly plane.
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 22:53:06 +0100, D wrote:
Do you know anyone who has flown single engine jet planes? This is what
I want! =)
I did know a guy who flew F-16s. It sort of ruined him for general
aviation. Definitely competent but jockeying a Skymaster just wasn't the same.
Maybe you could find a lightly used F-35. The US military was big on twin engines for a while but have went back to a single point of failure.
On 03/02/2025 22:15, D wrote:
The spanish airforce sometimes trains close to my house in south eastern
spain. I've never seen it myself but my father saw two planes
flying through a low ravine once. Very powerful sight!
If that turns you on google "Mach loop you tube"
Looking down on aircraft dong 400mph+ with the observer holding up a sign saying 'hi mom'...
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Zeps are technically "better", but the framework
is subject to stress and can snap - even if it
was upgraded to titanium. Blimps spread the load
across the entire envelope and can thus survive
sudden wind gusts better. They may kinda fold
and shimmy, but don't snap.
Hmmmm ... maybe a 'hybrid' is possible now -
a blimp, but 'stiffened' a bit with like
graphite ribs so it's not SO floppy ?
I heard about an experimental concept that does not use a gas for lift,
but vacuum! Very fascinating!
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Zeps are technically "better", but the framework
is subject to stress and can snap - even if it
was upgraded to titanium. Blimps spread the load
across the entire envelope and can thus survive
sudden wind gusts better. They may kinda fold
and shimmy, but don't snap.
Hmmmm ... maybe a 'hybrid' is possible now -
a blimp, but 'stiffened' a bit with like
graphite ribs so it's not SO floppy ?
I heard about an experimental concept that does not use a gas for lift,
but vacuum! Very fascinating!
More theoretical than experimental - the materials might be
possible but I don't think anyone can make them yet.
On 2/4/25 4:02 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Zeps are technically "better", but the framework
is subject to stress and can snap - even if it
was upgraded to titanium. Blimps spread the load
across the entire envelope and can thus survive
sudden wind gusts better. They may kinda fold
and shimmy, but don't snap.
Hmmmm ... maybe a 'hybrid' is possible now -
a blimp, but 'stiffened' a bit with like
graphite ribs so it's not SO floppy ?
I heard about an experimental concept that does not use a gas for
lift, but vacuum! Very fascinating!
More theoretical than experimental - the materials might be
possible but I don't think anyone can make them yet.
Um, no, CAN'T be made. Ever SEEN any kind of vac
vessel even slightly compromised ? INSTANT total
CRUSH. Maybe an unobtanium sphere .....
I think the trick is to cleverly combine hydrogen
and helium lift. Envision hydrogen cells - but
INSIDE a helium envelope. Reduces fire risk to
near zero but you STILL gain some lift.
Still liked the old BBC series better - found
it on a discounted DVD ! Contained more jewels
of wisdom from Adams.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Zeps are technically "better", but the framework
is subject to stress and can snap - even if it
was upgraded to titanium. Blimps spread the load
across the entire envelope and can thus survive
sudden wind gusts better. They may kinda fold
and shimmy, but don't snap.
Hmmmm ... maybe a 'hybrid' is possible now -
a blimp, but 'stiffened' a bit with like
graphite ribs so it's not SO floppy ?
I heard about an experimental concept that does not use a gas for lift,
but vacuum! Very fascinating!
More theoretical than experimental - the materials might be
possible but I don't think anyone can make them yet.
On 2/4/25 4:02 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Zeps are technically "better", but the framework
is subject to stress and can snap - even if it
was upgraded to titanium. Blimps spread the load
across the entire envelope and can thus survive
sudden wind gusts better. They may kinda fold
and shimmy, but don't snap.
Hmmmm ... maybe a 'hybrid' is possible now -
a blimp, but 'stiffened' a bit with like
graphite ribs so it's not SO floppy ?
I heard about an experimental concept that does not use a gas for lift,
but vacuum! Very fascinating!
More theoretical than experimental - the materials might be
possible but I don't think anyone can make them yet.
Um, no, CAN'T be made. Ever SEEN any kind of vac
vessel even slightly compromised ? INSTANT total
CRUSH. Maybe an unobtanium sphere .....
On 2/3/25 7:36 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
The other day we re-watched the movie version of _The Hitchhiker's Guide
to the Galaxy_ (RIP Alan Rickman) and I picked up a new favourite line.
As our heroes attempted to negotiate the Vogon bureaucracy to save Trillian >> from being fed to the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal, Arthur Dent took >> the lead with the words: "I'm British. I know how to queue.
That WAS a good line, and probably tells us a
lot about Brits :-)
Still liked the old BBC series better - found
it on a discounted DVD ! Contained more jewels
of wisdom from Adams.
On 2025-02-05 07:33, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 2/4/25 4:02 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Zeps are technically "better", but the framework
is subject to stress and can snap - even if it
was upgraded to titanium. Blimps spread the load
across the entire envelope and can thus survive
sudden wind gusts better. They may kinda fold
and shimmy, but don't snap.
Hmmmm ... maybe a 'hybrid' is possible now -
a blimp, but 'stiffened' a bit with like
graphite ribs so it's not SO floppy ?
I heard about an experimental concept that does not use a gas for lift, >>>> but vacuum! Very fascinating!
More theoretical than experimental - the materials might be
possible but I don't think anyone can make them yet.
Um, no, CAN'T be made. Ever SEEN any kind of vac
vessel even slightly compromised ? INSTANT total
CRUSH. Maybe an unobtanium sphere .....
Ever seen electrical bulbs? Some are vacuum filled.
There were also electronic valves, CRT tubes...
On 2025-02-04, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
On 2/3/25 7:36 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
The other day we re-watched the movie version of _The Hitchhiker's Guide >>> to the Galaxy_ (RIP Alan Rickman) and I picked up a new favourite line.
As our heroes attempted to negotiate the Vogon bureaucracy to save Trillian >>> from being fed to the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal, Arthur Dent took >>> the lead with the words: "I'm British. I know how to queue.
That WAS a good line, and probably tells us a
lot about Brits :-)
Still liked the old BBC series better - found
it on a discounted DVD ! Contained more jewels
of wisdom from Adams.
I'll have to dig it out again and give it another look.
Fun fact: the robot that played Marvin in the old series appears
(as an anonymous robot) in the movie, in the scene I mentioned above.
On 2/5/25 2:32 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-02-04, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
On 2/3/25 7:36 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
The other day we re-watched the movie version of _The Hitchhiker's Guide >>>> to the Galaxy_ (RIP Alan Rickman) and I picked up a new favourite line. >>>> As our heroes attempted to negotiate the Vogon bureaucracy to save Trillian
from being fed to the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal, Arthur Dent took >>>> the lead with the words: "I'm British. I know how to queue.
That WAS a good line, and probably tells us a
lot about Brits :-)
Still liked the old BBC series better - found
it on a discounted DVD ! Contained more jewels
of wisdom from Adams.
I'll have to dig it out again and give it another look.
Fun fact: the robot that played Marvin in the old series appears
(as an anonymous robot) in the movie, in the scene I mentioned above.
Ah yes, I spotted him in the crowd :-)
The BBC series was fairly low-budget and 'crude',
but, IMHO, better than the slick movie version.
On 2025-02-06, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
On 2/5/25 2:32 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-02-04, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
On 2/3/25 7:36 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
The other day we re-watched the movie version of _The Hitchhiker's Guide >>>>> to the Galaxy_ (RIP Alan Rickman) and I picked up a new favourite line. >>>>> As our heroes attempted to negotiate the Vogon bureaucracy to save Trillian
from being fed to the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal, Arthur Dent took
the lead with the words: "I'm British. I know how to queue.
That WAS a good line, and probably tells us a
lot about Brits :-)
Still liked the old BBC series better - found
it on a discounted DVD ! Contained more jewels
of wisdom from Adams.
I'll have to dig it out again and give it another look.
Fun fact: the robot that played Marvin in the old series appears
(as an anonymous robot) in the movie, in the scene I mentioned above.
Ah yes, I spotted him in the crowd :-)
The BBC series was fairly low-budget and 'crude',
but, IMHO, better than the slick movie version.
Perhaps, but you have to admit that the scene on the Magrathea
factory floor is magnificent in the new version.
Anyway, sorry, I just CAN'T see any sort of useful
and safe vacuum blimp. One goose bumps into the
thing and it will all implode in an instant.
Hmmm ... MAYbe there can be a 'gas' lighter than
hydrogen - some kind of exotic matter ? Perhaps
some high electrostatic charge - center electrode
and envelope both negatively charged, then the
vacuum would not SEEM to be a vacuum so far as
the structural components are concerned. Sounds
kinda sparky alas.
That WAS magnificent, perhaps the best scene
in the movie. BBC didn't have the budget or
tech for that
The BBC series was fairly low-budget and 'crude',
but, IMHO, better than the slick movie version.
On 06/02/2025 03:19, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Anyway, sorry, I just CAN'T see any sort of usefulThis is substantially correct. The strength to weigh ratio of a vacuum
and safe vacuum blimp. One goose bumps into the
thing and it will all implode in an instant.
filled blimp or dirigible means it probably cannot exist at any useable
size
On 2/5/25 11:50 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-02-06, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
On 2/5/25 2:32 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-02-04, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
On 2/3/25 7:36 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
The other day we re-watched the movie version of _The Hitchhiker's >>>>>> Guide to the Galaxy_ (RIP Alan Rickman) and I picked up a new
favourite line. As our heroes attempted to negotiate the Vogon
bureaucracy to save Trillian from being fed to the Ravenous
Bugblatter Beast of Traal, Arthur Dent took the lead with the
words: "I'm British. I know how to queue."
That WAS a good line, and probably tells us a
lot about Brits :-)
Still liked the old BBC series better - found
it on a discounted DVD ! Contained more jewels
of wisdom from Adams.
I'll have to dig it out again and give it another look.
Fun fact: the robot that played Marvin in the old series appears
(as an anonymous robot) in the movie, in the scene I mentioned above.
Ah yes, I spotted him in the crowd :-)
The BBC series was fairly low-budget and 'crude',
but, IMHO, better than the slick movie version.
Perhaps, but you have to admit that the scene on the Magrathea
factory floor is magnificent in the new version.
That WAS magnificent, perhaps the best scene
in the movie.
BBC didn't have the budget or tech for that
I am a bit saddened at how special effects
have come to drive film/TV. Even if not as
spiffy, good dialogue and plot structure
made for a better product.
Was watching a Jon Pertwee "Dr. Who" the
other day. Very low budget - but it still
worked quite well, told a good story.
On 2/5/25 5:18 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-02-05 07:33, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 2/4/25 4:02 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Zeps are technically "better", but the framework
is subject to stress and can snap - even if it
was upgraded to titanium. Blimps spread the load
across the entire envelope and can thus survive
sudden wind gusts better. They may kinda fold
and shimmy, but don't snap.
Hmmmm ... maybe a 'hybrid' is possible now -
a blimp, but 'stiffened' a bit with like
graphite ribs so it's not SO floppy ?
I heard about an experimental concept that does not use a gas for
lift,
but vacuum! Very fascinating!
More theoretical than experimental - the materials might be
possible but I don't think anyone can make them yet.
Um, no, CAN'T be made. Ever SEEN any kind of vac
vessel even slightly compromised ? INSTANT total
CRUSH. Maybe an unobtanium sphere .....
Ever seen electrical bulbs? Some are vacuum filled.
There were also electronic valves, CRT tubes...
Well, as an experiment, WEIGH the glass envelope
on those vac tubes ... then extrapolate that for
a 200-foot flying vessel.
Oh, both valves and old light-bulbs BREAK very
easily.
Modern incandescent bulbs are filled with argon.
This is better and the gas/pressure helps suppress
filament boil-off.
Anyway, sorry, I just CAN'T see any sort of useful
and safe vacuum blimp. One goose bumps into the
thing and it will all implode in an instant.
Hmmm ... MAYbe there can be a 'gas' lighter than
hydrogen - some kind of exotic matter ? Perhaps
some high electrostatic charge - center electrode
and envelope both negatively charged, then the
vacuum would not SEEM to be a vacuum so far as
the structural components are concerned. Sounds
kinda sparky alas.
On 06/02/2025 03:19, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Anyway, sorry, I just CAN'T see any sort of usefulThis is substantially correct. The strength to weigh ratio of a vacuum filled blimp or dirigible means it probably cannot exist at any useable size
and safe vacuum blimp. One goose bumps into the
thing and it will all implode in an instant.
Hmmm ... MAYbe there can be a 'gas' lighter than
hydrogen - some kind of exotic matter ? Perhaps
some high electrostatic charge - center electrode
and envelope both negatively charged, then the
vacuum would not SEEM to be a vacuum so far as
the structural components are concerned. Sounds
kinda sparky alas.
Cant be a 'gas lighter than hydrogen'
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/02/2025 03:19, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Anyway, sorry, I just CAN'T see any sort of usefulThis is substantially correct. The strength to weigh ratio of a vacuum
and safe vacuum blimp. One goose bumps into the
thing and it will all implode in an instant.
filled blimp or dirigible means it probably cannot exist at any useable
size
If you can make small vacuum balls that float in the air, you
could potentially fill a blimp with them instead of gas. Or
instead of one hollow vacuum chamber, join the balls (or honeycomb
segments) up into one solid lighter-than-air structure of tiny
sealed vacuum chambers where only the outer ones are vulnerable
to impact.
On 2025-02-06, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
On 2/5/25 11:50 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-02-06, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
On 2/5/25 2:32 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-02-04, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:Ah yes, I spotted him in the crowd :-)
On 2/3/25 7:36 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
The other day we re-watched the movie version of _The Hitchhiker's >>>>>>> Guide to the Galaxy_ (RIP Alan Rickman) and I picked up a new
favourite line. As our heroes attempted to negotiate the Vogon
bureaucracy to save Trillian from being fed to the Ravenous
Bugblatter Beast of Traal, Arthur Dent took the lead with the
words: "I'm British. I know how to queue."
That WAS a good line, and probably tells us a
lot about Brits :-)
Still liked the old BBC series better - found
it on a discounted DVD ! Contained more jewels
of wisdom from Adams.
I'll have to dig it out again and give it another look.
Fun fact: the robot that played Marvin in the old series appears
(as an anonymous robot) in the movie, in the scene I mentioned above. >>>>
The BBC series was fairly low-budget and 'crude',
but, IMHO, better than the slick movie version.
Perhaps, but you have to admit that the scene on the Magrathea
factory floor is magnificent in the new version.
That WAS magnificent, perhaps the best scene
in the movie.
I think so. I eagerly await it each time I watch the movie.
BBC didn't have the budget or tech for that
I am a bit saddened at how special effects
have come to drive film/TV. Even if not as
spiffy, good dialogue and plot structure
made for a better product.
Indeed. It's a shame when there are all sorts of
wonderful effects with nothing to back them up.
Was watching a Jon Pertwee "Dr. Who" the
other day. Very low budget - but it still
worked quite well, told a good story.
We found the original Doctor Who episodes on one of the
streaming services (Prime, I think) and have been working
our way through them. They actually hold together
reasonably well.
On 2025-02-06 04:19, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 2/5/25 5:18 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-02-05 07:33, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 2/4/25 4:02 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Zeps are technically "better", but the framework
is subject to stress and can snap - even if it
was upgraded to titanium. Blimps spread the load
across the entire envelope and can thus survive
sudden wind gusts better. They may kinda fold
and shimmy, but don't snap.
Hmmmm ... maybe a 'hybrid' is possible now -
a blimp, but 'stiffened' a bit with like
graphite ribs so it's not SO floppy ?
I heard about an experimental concept that does not use a gas for
lift,
but vacuum! Very fascinating!
More theoretical than experimental - the materials might be
possible but I don't think anyone can make them yet.
Um, no, CAN'T be made. Ever SEEN any kind of vac
vessel even slightly compromised ? INSTANT total
CRUSH. Maybe an unobtanium sphere .....
Ever seen electrical bulbs? Some are vacuum filled.
There were also electronic valves, CRT tubes...
Well, as an experiment, WEIGH the glass envelope
on those vac tubes ... then extrapolate that for
a 200-foot flying vessel.
Oh, both valves and old light-bulbs BREAK very
easily.
Modern incandescent bulbs are filled with argon.
This is better and the gas/pressure helps suppress
filament boil-off.
I know. I happen to have one vacuum bulb at hand reach, and the bottom
part (the part facing the floor) is darkened by evaporated metal deposits.
Anyway, sorry, I just CAN'T see any sort of useful
and safe vacuum blimp. One goose bumps into the
thing and it will all implode in an instant.
Oh, I know that vacuum filled blimps are impossible.
Hmmm ... MAYbe there can be a 'gas' lighter than
hydrogen - some kind of exotic matter ? Perhaps
some high electrostatic charge - center electrode
and envelope both negatively charged, then the
vacuum would not SEEM to be a vacuum so far as
the structural components are concerned. Sounds
kinda sparky alas.
Force fields :-)
WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
On 2/6/25 3:28 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/02/2025 03:19, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Anyway, sorry, I just CAN'T see any sort of usefulThis is substantially correct. The strength to weigh ratio of a vacuum >>>> filled blimp or dirigible means it probably cannot exist at any useable >>>> size
and safe vacuum blimp. One goose bumps into the
thing and it will all implode in an instant.
If you can make small vacuum balls that float in the air, you
could potentially fill a blimp with them instead of gas. Or
instead of one hollow vacuum chamber, join the balls (or honeycomb
segments) up into one solid lighter-than-air structure of tiny
sealed vacuum chambers where only the outer ones are vulnerable
to impact.
But ONE little dent compromising the structural
integrity and ......
And the rest of the sealed balls/segments still keep the thing up,
that was my point.
On 2/6/25 3:28 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/02/2025 03:19, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Anyway, sorry, I just CAN'T see any sort of usefulThis is substantially correct. The strength to weigh ratio of a vacuum
and safe vacuum blimp. One goose bumps into the
thing and it will all implode in an instant.
filled blimp or dirigible means it probably cannot exist at any useable >>> size
If you can make small vacuum balls that float in the air, you
could potentially fill a blimp with them instead of gas. Or
instead of one hollow vacuum chamber, join the balls (or honeycomb
segments) up into one solid lighter-than-air structure of tiny
sealed vacuum chambers where only the outer ones are vulnerable
to impact.
But ONE little dent compromising the structural
integrity and ......
On 2/6/25 5:53 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-02-06 04:19, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 2/5/25 5:18 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-02-05 07:33, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 2/4/25 4:02 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Zeps are technically "better", but the framework
is subject to stress and can snap - even if it
was upgraded to titanium. Blimps spread the load
across the entire envelope and can thus survive
sudden wind gusts better. They may kinda fold
and shimmy, but don't snap.
Hmmmm ... maybe a 'hybrid' is possible now -
a blimp, but 'stiffened' a bit with like
graphite ribs so it's not SO floppy ?
I heard about an experimental concept that does not use a gas for >>>>>>> lift,
but vacuum! Very fascinating!
More theoretical than experimental - the materials might be
possible but I don't think anyone can make them yet.
Um, no, CAN'T be made. Ever SEEN any kind of vac
vessel even slightly compromised ? INSTANT total
CRUSH. Maybe an unobtanium sphere .....
Ever seen electrical bulbs? Some are vacuum filled.
There were also electronic valves, CRT tubes...
Well, as an experiment, WEIGH the glass envelope
on those vac tubes ... then extrapolate that for
a 200-foot flying vessel.
Oh, both valves and old light-bulbs BREAK very
easily.
Modern incandescent bulbs are filled with argon.
This is better and the gas/pressure helps suppress
filament boil-off.
I know. I happen to have one vacuum bulb at hand reach, and the bottom part >> (the part facing the floor) is darkened by evaporated metal deposits.
Anyway, sorry, I just CAN'T see any sort of useful
and safe vacuum blimp. One goose bumps into the
thing and it will all implode in an instant.
Oh, I know that vacuum filled blimps are impossible.
Hmmm ... MAYbe there can be a 'gas' lighter than
hydrogen - some kind of exotic matter ? Perhaps
some high electrostatic charge - center electrode
and envelope both negatively charged, then the
vacuum would not SEEM to be a vacuum so far as
the structural components are concerned. Sounds
kinda sparky alas.
Force fields :-)
Well ... show me one that's practical :-)
In THEORY you could use positronium gas ... but
if any of those electrons wander elsewhere ....
On 2/6/25 3:28 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/02/2025 03:19, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Anyway, sorry, I just CAN'T see any sort of usefulThis is substantially correct. The strength to weigh ratio of a vacuum
and safe vacuum blimp. One goose bumps into the
thing and it will all implode in an instant.
filled blimp or dirigible means it probably cannot exist at any useable >>> size
If you can make small vacuum balls that float in the air, you
could potentially fill a blimp with them instead of gas. Or
instead of one hollow vacuum chamber, join the balls (or honeycomb
segments) up into one solid lighter-than-air structure of tiny
sealed vacuum chambers where only the outer ones are vulnerable
to impact.
But ONE little dent compromising the structural
integrity and ......
In college I sometimes worked with vac drying of
biological samples. We'd use like an 8-inch
polycarbonate dome fitted to a gasketed metal
plate. You'd think polycarbonate should be kinda
indestructible ... but it kinda depends how
people "cleaning" it heaped on abuse. I remember
when one imploded - sounded like a damned bomb
and blew out the glass of the fume hood, injuring
a couple of students. The released fumes weren't
so great for ya either but most went up the chute.
There's always helium-3 ... 25% lighter ... but
on earth it's kinda unobtanium.
But ONE little dent compromising the structural
integrity and ......
This is easy! Write in the manual "do not compromise the structural integrity", problem solved! 😉
WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
On 2/6/25 3:28 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/02/2025 03:19, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Anyway, sorry, I just CAN'T see any sort of useful and safeThis is substantially correct. The strength to weigh ratio of a
vacuum blimp. One goose bumps into the thing and it will all
implode in an instant.
vacuum filled blimp or dirigible means it probably cannot exist at
any useable size
If you can make small vacuum balls that float in the air, you could
potentially fill a blimp with them instead of gas. Or instead of
one hollow vacuum chamber, join the balls (or honeycomb segments)
up into one solid lighter-than-air structure of tiny sealed vacuum
chambers where only the outer ones are vulnerable to impact.
But ONE little dent compromising the structural
integrity and ......
And the rest of the sealed balls/segments still keep the thing up,
that was my point.
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
On 2/6/25 3:28 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/02/2025 03:19, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Anyway, sorry, I just CAN'T see any sort of useful and safe vacuum >>>>>> blimp. One goose bumps into the thing and it will all implode inThis is substantially correct. The strength to weigh ratio of a
an instant.
vacuum filled blimp or dirigible means it probably cannot exist at
any useable size
If you can make small vacuum balls that float in the air, you could
potentially fill a blimp with them instead of gas. Or instead of one
hollow vacuum chamber, join the balls (or honeycomb segments) up into
one solid lighter-than-air structure of tiny sealed vacuum chambers
where only the outer ones are vulnerable to impact.
But ONE little dent compromising the structural integrity and ......
And the rest of the sealed balls/segments still keep the thing up,
that was my point.
Unless the explosive collapse of the one sealed ball/segment impacts the integrety of adjacent segments such that some number greater than one of
them also then explosively collapses. At which point you have a runaway chain reaction that might take out a significant number of the
balls/segments before it fizzles out.
On 2/7/25 12:39 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
On 2/6/25 3:28 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/02/2025 03:19, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Anyway, sorry, I just CAN'T see any sort of usefulThis is substantially correct. The strength to weigh ratio of a vacuum >>>>> filled blimp or dirigible means it probably cannot exist at any useable >>>>> size
and safe vacuum blimp. One goose bumps into the
thing and it will all implode in an instant.
If you can make small vacuum balls that float in the air, you
could potentially fill a blimp with them instead of gas. Or
instead of one hollow vacuum chamber, join the balls (or honeycomb
segments) up into one solid lighter-than-air structure of tiny
sealed vacuum chambers where only the outer ones are vulnerable
to impact.
But ONE little dent compromising the structural
integrity and ......
And the rest of the sealed balls/segments still keep the thing up,
that was my point.
But they WON'T ... implosions can be quite violent.
If one goes it'll be a chain reaction.
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