• Re: What old Linux distro to run on a old Pentium III PC?

    From Robert Heller@21:1/5 to bunkertoshimatty@gmail.com on Thu Jun 19 21:14:00 2025
    Why old Linux distro? Any modern Linux should run. While *most* modern Linux distros don't provide 32-bit install images, all of the 32-bit libraries and kernels are in fact available and maintained (people commonly set up 32-bit
    VMs for various purposes). You might have to manually create an installer image, but I don't believe that is partitularly difficult.

    I believe there might be 32-bit install images for older releases for some distros (eg Ubuntu 16.04) and then you could then do successive release upgrades.

    Note: depending on how much memory and/or diskspace, you might have issues
    with some GUI desktops. You might stick to a lightweight desktop like xfc4
    and avoid the heavyweight desktops like gnome or kde.

    At Thu, 19 Jun 2025 21:37:07 +0200 "Matthew Camilleri" <bunkertoshimatty@gmail.com> wrote:


    I posted a simmilar question on comp.os.misc, but that was generally for
    what operating systems to install on this old thing (a Pentium III, 385 or
    so megabytes of ram, 80 gb harddrive).

    What old Linux distro would be cool to run on this thing?





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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Matthew Camilleri on Thu Jun 19 22:47:40 2025
    On 2025-06-19 21:37, Matthew Camilleri wrote:
    I posted a simmilar question on comp.os.misc, but that was generally for
    what operating systems to install on this old thing (a Pentium III, 385 or
    so megabytes of ram, 80 gb harddrive).

    What old Linux distro would be cool to run on this thing?



    Damn Small Linux?

    https://www.damnsmalllinux.org/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damn_Small_Linux

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Matthew Camilleri on Thu Jun 19 21:18:11 2025
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 21:37:07 +0200, Matthew Camilleri wrote:

    I posted a simmilar question on comp.os.misc, but that was generally for
    what operating systems to install on this old thing (a Pentium III, 385
    or so megabytes of ram, 80 gb harddrive).

    What old Linux distro would be cool to run on this thing?

    https://q4os.org/

    I put Q4OS on an old Asus eee PC 700 and it works. Don't expect blazing performance but it will salvage old hardware. It originally ran Xandros
    Linux, which is long gone. The problem was WPA2 wasn't supported. Q4OS had
    no problem recognizing and using the WiFi chip.

    With a 32-bit Pentium you'll need the Trinity DE. It's a descendant of KDE
    so it has that look which I prefer.

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  • From John McCue@21:1/5 to Matthew Camilleri on Thu Jun 19 22:21:00 2025
    Matthew Camilleri <bunkertoshimatty@gmail.com> wrote:
    I posted a simmilar question on comp.os.misc, but that was generally for
    what operating systems to install on this old thing (a Pentium III, 385
    or so megabytes of ram, 80 gb harddrive).

    What old Linux distro would be cool to run on this thing?

    Check distro watch, that would probably give you a
    decent answer.

    But to be honest I would give NetBSD 9.4 a try. I have
    that on an AMD 333mhz (like an P3), but that system has
    512 MB memory and it runs great.

    Now for "an OLD distro", Slackware 8.1 would be fine, and
    that was a nice release. But I would not hook the system
    up to the internet. Also with OLD distros, the year 2038
    comes into play.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to Matthew Camilleri on Fri Jun 20 08:47:49 2025
    Matthew Camilleri <bunkertoshimatty@gmail.com> wrote:
    I posted a simmilar question on comp.os.misc, but that was generally for
    what operating systems to install on this old thing (a Pentium III, 385 or
    so megabytes of ram, 80 gb harddrive).

    What old Linux distro would be cool to run on this thing?

    Current Damn Small Linux or Tiny Core Linux should run fine. The older v4 releases of Damn Small Linux might run faster than the rebooted DSL2024.

    http://www.damnsmalllinux.org
    http://www.tinycorelinux.net

    That hardware's not really slow enough that you _need_ to run an old
    (ie. based on an out-of-date Linux kernel version) distro, but if
    you want to try an old one that could run on a far slower PC with
    much less RAM, BasicLinux does that well:

    https://distro.ibiblio.org/baslinux/

    Old software does generally-speaking run better on old hardware,
    hence Linux kernel v2.4 on the Pentium 1 PC I'm posting from now.
    It can still boot modern Tiny Core Linux though, but feels slower.
    Not DSL2024, I think that needs at least i686 since it's based on
    current AntiX/Debian.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Robert Heller on Fri Jun 20 03:28:14 2025
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 21:14:00 -0000 (UTC), Robert Heller wrote:

    I believe there might be 32-bit install images for older releases for
    some distros (eg Ubuntu 16.04) and then you could then do successive
    release upgrades.

    Debian still has a current 32-bit release and is fairly light with xfce.
    I'm running 32-bit Bullseye on my work machine. The box could do 64-bit
    but I have to build 32-bit legacy software. You can pass a flag to the
    compiler but it's a hassle to get 32-bit libraries for Ubuntu or other 64-
    bit only releases.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to John McCue on Fri Jun 20 01:11:57 2025
    On 6/19/25 6:21 PM, John McCue wrote:
    Matthew Camilleri <bunkertoshimatty@gmail.com> wrote:
    I posted a simmilar question on comp.os.misc, but that was generally for
    what operating systems to install on this old thing (a Pentium III, 385
    or so megabytes of ram, 80 gb harddrive).

    What old Linux distro would be cool to run on this thing?

    Check distro watch, that would probably give you a
    decent answer.

    But to be honest I would give NetBSD 9.4 a try. I have
    that on an AMD 333mhz (like an P3), but that system has
    512 MB memory and it runs great.

    Good choice.

    Now for "an OLD distro", Slackware 8.1 would be fine, and
    that was a nice release. But I would not hook the system
    up to the internet. Also with OLD distros, the year 2038
    comes into play.

    Thing is, he doesn't NEED an "old distro" - just
    a new one tuned for low-powered boards.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to Robert Heller on Fri Jun 20 01:06:16 2025
    On 6/19/25 5:14 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
    Why old Linux distro? Any modern Linux should run. While *most* modern Linux distros don't provide 32-bit install images, all of the 32-bit libraries and kernels are in fact available and maintained (people commonly set up 32-bit VMs for various purposes). You might have to manually create an installer image, but I don't believe that is partitularly difficult.

    I believe there might be 32-bit install images for older releases for some distros (eg Ubuntu 16.04) and then you could then do successive release upgrades.

    Note: depending on how much memory and/or diskspace, you might have issues with some GUI desktops. You might stick to a lightweight desktop like xfc4 and avoid the heavyweight desktops like gnome or kde.

    At Thu, 19 Jun 2025 21:37:07 +0200 "Matthew Camilleri" <bunkertoshimatty@gmail.com> wrote:


    I posted a simmilar question on comp.os.misc, but that was generally for
    what operating systems to install on this old thing (a Pentium III, 385 or >> so megabytes of ram, 80 gb harddrive).

    What old Linux distro would be cool to run on this thing?

    Most of the 32-bit distros - NOT old - will still
    run on older CPUs.

    There ARE a few distros specifically tuned for old
    systems. Check distrowatch.org

    Original IBM-PCs ... ummmmmm ...... probably better
    with 386's on up.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Matthew Camilleri on Fri Jun 20 10:04:27 2025
    On 19/06/2025 20:37, Matthew Camilleri wrote:
    I posted a simmilar question on comp.os.misc, but that was generally for
    what operating systems to install on this old thing (a Pentium III, 385 or
    so megabytes of ram, 80 gb harddrive).

    What old Linux distro would be cool to run on this thing?


    I dont think you will be happy with ANY distro running X style GUI on
    385MB of RAM
    You really need at least 512MB and the more the better.

    Old RAM is cheap tho.

    Then follow advice others have already given...

    --
    Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get.
    Mark Twain

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to Matthew Camilleri on Fri Jun 20 09:43:25 2025
    On 2025-06-19, Matthew Camilleri <bunkertoshimatty@gmail.com> wrote:
    I posted a simmilar question on comp.os.misc, but that was generally for
    what operating systems to install on this old thing (a Pentium III, 385 or
    so megabytes of ram, 80 gb harddrive).

    What old Linux distro would be cool to run on this thing?



    I've been able to get Q4OS linux on my AMD Duron 700MHz. similar specs
    to yours, a bit more ram (768MB).

    Puppy Linux is also another option, though RAM may be tight for that.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Matthew Camilleri on Fri Jun 20 16:25:13 2025
    On 20/06/2025 15:30, Matthew Camilleri wrote:
    I was considering a RAM upgrade, thanks for the suggestion!

    I did get an Eee PC netbook to run Mint on 512M, but it was gruesome.

    It wasn't CPU bound it was ram bound and all swappy.


    Ive got sticks of early DDR something RAM lying on te desk here, too old
    for my current

    two *86 machines

    Pity you are nowhere near


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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sat Jun 21 09:54:40 2025
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    I did get an Eee PC netbook to run Mint on 512M, but it was gruesome.

    I got an Eee PC netbook to run Tiny Core Linux 15 on 512MB RAM and
    X was is quick as anywhere. Things only got gruesome when I started
    Firefox. After booting to the desktop there's 74MB RAM used (still
    a lot compared to old Linux distros, eg. 24MB in use on the older
    PC I'm posting from now in an X window) and lightweight programs
    run lightning quick with its 900MHz Celeron M CPU.

    That is running TinyX (Xvesa) instead of Xorg.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sat Jun 21 01:31:09 2025
    On 6/20/25 11:25 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 20/06/2025 15:30, Matthew Camilleri wrote:
    I was considering a RAM upgrade, thanks for the suggestion!

    I did get an Eee PC netbook to run Mint on 512M, but it was gruesome.

    It wasn't CPU bound it was ram bound and all swappy.

    I had an old MX running on an EEEPC ... and it
    really wasn't bad. Then I dropped the thing off
    a tall ladder while setting security cams :-(

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sat Jun 21 21:55:04 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 16:25:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    I did get an Eee PC netbook to run Mint on 512M, but it was gruesome.

    It wasn't CPU bound it was ram bound and all swappy.

    I tried running KDE 4.x on my Eee PC 701 off an SD card, with no swap
    space. It ran fine.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 21 21:56:03 2025
    A: Skid-marks in front of the hedgehog.
    Q: What’s the difference between a dead top-poster on the road,
    and a dead hedgehog on the road?

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  • From Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 23 10:38:16 2025
    Groovy hepcat c186282 was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Fri, 20 Jun
    2025 03:06 pm. It's a cool scene! Dig it.

    At Thu, 19 Jun 2025 21:37:07 +0200 "Matthew Camilleri"
    <bunkertoshimatty@gmail.com> wrote:

    What old Linux distro would be cool to run on this thing?

    [Snippitty doo-dah.]

    Original IBM-PCs ... ummmmmm ...... probably better
    with 386's on up.

    Yes, indeed; especially since Linux has never run at all on lower than
    a 386. It was originally designed for that very architecture.

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  • From Robert Heller@21:1/5 to phaywood@alphalink.com.au on Mon Jun 23 14:35:24 2025
    At Mon, 23 Jun 2025 10:38:16 +1000 Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> wrote:


    Groovy hepcat c186282 was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Fri, 20 Jun
    2025 03:06 pm. It's a cool scene! Dig it.

    At Thu, 19 Jun 2025 21:37:07 +0200 "Matthew Camilleri"
    <bunkertoshimatty@gmail.com> wrote:

    What old Linux distro would be cool to run on this thing?

    [Snippitty doo-dah.]

    Original IBM-PCs ... ummmmmm ...... probably better
    with 386's on up.

    Yes, indeed; especially since Linux has never run at all on lower than
    a 386. It was originally designed for that very architecture.

    I don't know if the software floating point code is still in the kernel, so likely at least a '486 might be needed for "modern" kernels. The original
    '386 lacked a FP unit, although some '386 motherboards included a '387 (FP unit).



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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Mon Jun 23 07:56:20 2025
    On 6/21/25 14:55, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 16:25:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    I did get an Eee PC netbook to run Mint on 512M, but it was gruesome.

    It wasn't CPU bound it was ram bound and all swappy.

    I tried running KDE 4.x on my Eee PC 701 off an SD card, with no swap
    space. It ran fine.

    And I ran Mandriva 2009 with KDE 3.59 on a 700 MHz Coppermine Pentium on
    640 MG with one 8 MB reseved Graphic ram on a Inspiron 4000.
    It seemed a bit slow so I reduced the Virtural Desktops to only one considering
    that it had been using Windows XP before I shifted it to GNU/Linux/KDE.

    bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.06- Linux 6.12.33- Plasma 5.27.11

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 23 16:39:32 2025
    On 19.06.2025 21:37 Matthew Camilleri wrote:

    I posted a simmilar question on comp.os.misc, but that was generally
    for what operating systems to install on this old thing (a Pentium
    III, 385 or so megabytes of ram, 80 gb harddrive).

    Slackware will most likely run on it, but don't use a desktop
    environment, but fvwm, mwm etc.
    384 MB is not much and the Pentium 3 will be slow too.

    Debian should work too, but choose the netboot installer.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to Robert Heller on Mon Jun 23 12:02:59 2025
    On 6/23/25 10:35 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
    At Mon, 23 Jun 2025 10:38:16 +1000 Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> wrote:


    Groovy hepcat c186282 was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Fri, 20 Jun
    2025 03:06 pm. It's a cool scene! Dig it.

    At Thu, 19 Jun 2025 21:37:07 +0200 "Matthew Camilleri"
    <bunkertoshimatty@gmail.com> wrote:

    What old Linux distro would be cool to run on this thing?

    [Snippitty doo-dah.]

    Original IBM-PCs ... ummmmmm ...... probably better
    with 386's on up.

    Yes, indeed; especially since Linux has never run at all on lower than
    a 386. It was originally designed for that very architecture.

    I don't know if the software floating point code is still in the kernel, so likely at least a '486 might be needed for "modern" kernels. The original '386 lacked a FP unit, although some '386 motherboards included a '387 (FP unit).


    As I recall you could get Xenix for the old PCs.
    Apparently it's free antiqueware now -

    https://archiveos.org/xenix/

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@21:1/5 to Robert Heller on Mon Jun 23 16:43:35 2025
    On 2025-06-23, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:

    I don't know if the software floating point code is still in the kernel, so likely at least a '486 might be needed for "modern" kernels. The original '386 lacked a FP unit, although some '386 motherboards included a '387 (FP unit).

    Just out of curiosity, what sort of kernel operations would need
    floating point? (Aside from fancy GUIs, anyway.)

    (In my 50-year career, I can count the number of times I've used
    floating point on the fingers of one hand. Yes, I do have an
    integer square root algorithm...)

    --
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  • From Robert Heller@21:1/5 to cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid on Mon Jun 23 17:00:47 2025
    At Mon, 23 Jun 2025 16:43:35 GMT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:


    On 2025-06-23, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:

    I don't know if the software floating point code is still in the kernel, so likely at least a '486 might be needed for "modern" kernels. The original '386 lacked a FP unit, although some '386 motherboards included a '387 (FP unit).

    Just out of curiosity, what sort of kernel operations would need
    floating point? (Aside from fancy GUIs, anyway.)

    Probably not the kernel itself, but many random user-mode applications will have floating point code. Early kernels "traped" unimplemented [on bare 80386 and 80487 systems] FP instructions and did software floating point. I don't believe the various compilers (and certainly not the math libs) compile floating point code using emulation, at least not by default. Asside from very low-level MCUs, almost all processors, partitularly any 32 or 64 bit processor with a MMU (read: processors capabible of running in Linux) have hardware floating point. And even ARM Cortex M0 and M4 processors (eg the sorts of processors on Arduino-type boards) have hardware floating point.


    (In my 50-year career, I can count the number of times I've used
    floating point on the fingers of one hand. Yes, I do have an
    integer square root algorithm...)


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Charlie Gibbs on Mon Jun 23 18:56:48 2025
    On 23/06/2025 17:43, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    (In my 50-year career, I can count the number of times I've used
    floating point on the fingers of one hand. Yes, I do have an
    integer square root algorithm...)

    In system programming I cannot recall ever using it bar once using a DSP coprocessor on a 6809 to do maths for fast interpolation on a digital oscilloscope

    But at application level for instrumenation all the time.


    --
    Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early
    twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
    on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
    projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

    Richard Lindzen

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood on Mon Jun 23 18:53:46 2025
    On 23/06/2025 01:38, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood wrote:
    Groovy hepcat c186282 was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Fri, 20 Jun
    2025 03:06 pm. It's a cool scene! Dig it.

    At Thu, 19 Jun 2025 21:37:07 +0200 "Matthew Camilleri"
    <bunkertoshimatty@gmail.com> wrote:

    What old Linux distro would be cool to run on this thing?

    [Snippitty doo-dah.]

    Original IBM-PCs ... ummmmmm ...... probably better
    with 386's on up.

    Yes, indeed; especially since Linux has never run at all on lower than
    a 386. It was originally designed for that very architecture.

    IIRC the only couple of Unices that ran on a 286 were Xenix and Venix
    But ports to 386 were many and various.


    --
    Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early
    twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
    on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
    projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

    Richard Lindzen

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Mon Jun 23 18:58:46 2025
    On 23/06/2025 15:56, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 6/21/25 14:55, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 16:25:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    I did get an Eee PC netbook to run Mint on 512M, but it was gruesome.

    It wasn't CPU bound it was ram bound and all swappy.

    I tried running KDE 4.x on my Eee PC 701 off an SD card, with no swap
    space. It ran fine.

        And I ran Mandriva 2009 with KDE 3.59 on a 700 MHz Coppermine Pentium on
    640 MG with one 8 MB reseved Graphic ram on a Inspiron 4000.
        It seemed a bit slow so I reduced the Virtural Desktops to only one considering
    that it had been using Windows XP before I shifted it to GNU/Linux/KDE.

    bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.06- Linux 6.12.33- Plasma 5.27.11

    To compare apples and apples the EEEPC was fine as just a GUI. It was
    when you wanted to use a web browser and email it collapsed in a
    fainting fit

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    obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
    they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

    ― Leo Tolstoy

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  • From Richard Kettlewell@21:1/5 to Robert Heller on Mon Jun 23 19:10:28 2025
    Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> writes:
    I don't know if the software floating point code is still in the
    kernel, so likely at least a '486 might be needed for "modern"
    kernels.

    386 support was removed in 2012 or so. 486 support has only just been
    removed this year:

    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20250425084216.3913608-1-mingo@kernel.org/

    TBH that’s more recent than I expected.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Charlie Gibbs on Mon Jun 23 19:42:36 2025
    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 16:43:35 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    (In my 50-year career, I can count the number of times I've used
    floating point on the fingers of one hand. Yes, I do have an integer
    square root algorithm...)

    Different strokes. I can count the number of times I've used fixed point
    on the fingers of one hand.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to Robert Heller on Tue Jun 24 09:13:11 2025
    Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:
    I don't know if the software floating point code is still in the kernel, so likely at least a '486 might be needed for "modern" kernels.

    It still supports 486SX CPUs without floating point, but not
    earlier x86.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Tue Jun 24 09:03:51 2025
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    To compare apples and apples the EEEPC was fine as just a GUI. It was
    when you wanted to use a web browser and email it collapsed in a
    fainting fit

    You can run an email client and web browser on a Commodore 64, it's
    the popular ones that are insanely bloated which are the trouble.
    Dillo runs excellently on mine. With the RAM upgraded to 2GB
    Firefox (with about:config tweaks and NoScript) is usable for
    occasional tasks as well actually.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to Richard Kettlewell on Tue Jun 24 09:18:58 2025
    Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> writes:
    I don't know if the software floating point code is still in the
    kernel, so likely at least a '486 might be needed for "modern"
    kernels.

    386 support was removed in 2012 or so. 486 support has only just been
    removed this year:

    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20250425084216.3913608-1-mingo@kernel.org/

    The patch was submitted, but doesn't appear to have been merged yet,
    based on the mainline kernel commit log. Kernel v6.15 actually
    included a patch that fixed 486 support, which had been
    accidentally broken earlier.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Jun 23 21:38:23 2025
    On 6/23/25 3:42 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 16:43:35 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    (In my 50-year career, I can count the number of times I've used
    floating point on the fingers of one hand. Yes, I do have an integer
    square root algorithm...)

    Different strokes. I can count the number of times I've used fixed point
    on the fingers of one hand.


    Where ever possible I multiply floats by ten or a hundred
    or a thousand and then use integer math. Too much exposure
    to micro-controllers with almost no math abilities I guess.
    Even 64-bit integer ops are much faster than implementing
    FP algos on old stupid chips.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Robert Heller on Tue Jun 24 07:03:00 2025
    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 17:00:47 -0000 (UTC), Robert Heller wrote:

    Asside from very low-level MCUs, almost all processors,
    partitularly any 32 or 64 bit processor with a MMU (read: processors capabible of running in Linux) have hardware floating point. And even
    ARM Cortex M0 and M4 processors (eg the sorts of processors on
    Arduino-type boards) have hardware floating point.

    And you can take it for granted they’re all IEEE 754-compatible. (Though maybe not IEEE 754-2008-compatible ... yet.)

    I can remember, back in the day when that wasn’t true. Floating-point used
    to be a real Wild West, let me tell you.

    FX: CREAK OF ROCKING CHAIR.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to John Ames on Wed Jun 25 01:41:16 2025
    On 6/24/25 10:44 AM, John Ames wrote:
    On 24 Jun 2025 09:03:51 +1000
    not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:

    You can run an email client and web browser on a Commodore 64, it's
    the popular ones that are insanely bloated which are the trouble.
    Dillo runs excellently on mine. With the RAM upgraded to 2GB
    Firefox (with about:config tweaks and NoScript) is usable for
    occasional tasks as well actually.

    The original EeePC was a bit anemic,

    Not for THE TIMES.

    but once they incorporated the
    second-generation Atom CPUs things were much better. My Eee 904HA did
    just fine as a daily driver 'til around 2013-2014. Still use it (well,
    its replacement) as a portable typewriter; nobody but *nobody* solved
    the laptop-hinge problem like Asus did on those first Eee generations.

    I had an EEEPC and LIKED IT - especially
    after replacing Win with MX. Served me well
    for years - before I accidentally dropped
    off a ladder trying to align security cams.

    MX was the first I found with the IQ in Grub
    to understand SS drives. I've stuck heavily
    with it ever since.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to John Ames on Wed Jun 25 18:57:15 2025
    On 6/25/25 12:34 PM, John Ames wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 01:41:16 -0400
    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

    I had an EEEPC and LIKED IT - especially after replacing Win with MX.
    Served me well for years - before I accidentally dropped off a ladder
    trying to align security cams.

    Mine slid off the roof of my car at ~15 MPH on a freeway on-ramp (I was *particularly* absent-minded that day!) Scuffed it up real good and
    cracked the plastic in a couple places, but it still ran perfectly
    fine. Wonderful little machines.


    Alas my screen was totally smashed ...

    But they were, with Linux, good little boxes - affordable
    and just powerful enough. Some of the low-end Dells kind
    of fit the same niche these days.

    At the time, I think MX was the only distro I found
    that had a smart enough GRUB installer to understand
    the M.2 drive, kind of new then. Others you'd have to
    run them from a card. Turned out MX was also a great
    all-around distro and I still use it. Mepis, the
    predecessor, was pretty fair too.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 5 09:21:37 2025
    Le 23-06-2025, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> a écrit :

    To compare apples and apples the EEEPC was fine as just a GUI. It was
    when you wanted to use a web browser and email it collapsed in a
    fainting fit

    For a web browser, it depends mostly on the website which can be poorly designed. For the emails, I don't see why it should be slow.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 5 09:26:18 2025
    Le 25-06-2025, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> a écrit :
    On 6/24/25 10:44 AM, John Ames wrote:

    The original EeePC was a bit anemic,

    Not for THE TIMES.

    Depends on what one hear by that. At the time, it was too slow to be
    able to run the last version of Windows. So, it couldn't be called a
    first class computer. On the same time, Ubuntu was running fine on it,
    so it was enough for a day to day usage. And as everyone started to buy
    it Microsoft started to be afraid and agreed to sell it with an obsolete version of Windows.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 5 18:23:51 2025
    On 05 Jul 2025 09:21:37 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Le 23-06-2025, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> a écrit :

    To compare apples and apples the EEEPC was fine as just a GUI. It was
    when you wanted to use a web browser and email it collapsed in a
    fainting fit

    For a web browser, it depends mostly on the website which can be poorly designed. For the emails, I don't see why it should be slow.

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-Eee-PC-701-4G.6745.0.html

    512 MB of RAM doesn't give you much to play with and a 4 GB SSD doesn't
    allow for much swap. The integrated graphics used some of the RAM so there wasn't even 512 MB free.

    Despite the obvious limitations it was useful. With the SSD I could throw
    it in the motorcycle bag and expect it to live, and if it didn't I wasn't
    out much. In 2007 laptops were still relatively expensive and fragile.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 5 18:29:21 2025
    On 05 Jul 2025 09:26:18 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Le 25-06-2025, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> a écrit :
    On 6/24/25 10:44 AM, John Ames wrote:

    The original EeePC was a bit anemic,

    Not for THE TIMES.

    Depends on what one hear by that. At the time, it was too slow to be
    able to run the last version of Windows. So, it couldn't be called a
    first class computer. On the same time, Ubuntu was running fine on it,
    so it was enough for a day to day usage. And as everyone started to buy
    it Microsoft started to be afraid and agreed to sell it with an obsolete version of Windows.

    The eee PC 701 originally ran Xandros. I doubt Ubuntu would have worked.
    I installed Q4OS. It took several attempts when I got too greedy with the applications to be installed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q4OS

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Jul 6 07:20:25 2025
    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
    On 05 Jul 2025 09:26:18 GMT, St?phane CARPENTIER wrote:
    Le 25-06-2025, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> a ?crit :
    On 6/24/25 10:44 AM, John Ames wrote:
    The original EeePC was a bit anemic,

    Not for THE TIMES.

    Depends on what one hear by that. At the time, it was too slow to be
    able to run the last version of Windows. So, it couldn't be called a
    first class computer. On the same time, Ubuntu was running fine on it,
    so it was enough for a day to day usage. And as everyone started to buy
    it Microsoft started to be afraid and agreed to sell it with an obsolete
    version of Windows.

    The eee PC 701 originally ran Xandros.

    Mine has a classic "Designed for Windows XP" sticker on it. It's
    funny how the regular-sized sticker looks huge on the tiny laptop.

    I doubt Ubuntu would have worked. I installed Q4OS. It took
    several attempts when I got too greedy with the applications to
    be installed.

    Tiny Core Linux on mine. Works great. I choose lightweight software
    anyway so no need to find alternatives except where packages aren't
    available. With the maximum 2GB RAM installed Firefox is just about
    usable, which is the heaviest program I use regularly. I bought it
    cheaply second-hand not that long ago.

    I had trouble with SSD giving errors at first, so I eventually
    reinstalled to a partition on just the upper half of the disk and
    it's working much better. Their wear leveling musn't have been too
    good (maybe cause to look into one of these flash-optimised
    filesystems but I'm not sure I can be bothered).

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Jul 5 15:31:36 2025
    On 7/5/25 15:22, rbowman wrote:
    On 6 Jul 2025 07:20:25 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    Mine has a classic "Designed for Windows XP" sticker on it. It's funny
    how the regular-sized sticker looks huge on the tiny laptop.

    Mine doesn't have any of the usual stickers other than a label identifying
    it as a 4G Surf on the back. It's been a long time but I think the Windows
    XP offering came after I bought it.

    I have a friend who really wants her EEEPC to run but she had Ubuntu 14.02 installed and is unwilling to turn her back on it and learn to use
    anoher distribution.


    bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.07- Linux 6.12.35- Plasma 5.27.11

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Computer Nerd Kev on Sat Jul 5 22:22:14 2025
    On 6 Jul 2025 07:20:25 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    Mine has a classic "Designed for Windows XP" sticker on it. It's funny
    how the regular-sized sticker looks huge on the tiny laptop.

    Mine doesn't have any of the usual stickers other than a label identifying
    it as a 4G Surf on the back. It's been a long time but I think the Windows
    XP offering came after I bought it.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Matthew Camilleri on Sat Jul 5 16:12:33 2025
    On 6/19/25 12:37, Matthew Camilleri wrote:
    I posted a simmilar question on comp.os.misc, but that was generally for
    what operating systems to install on this old thing (a Pentium III, 385 or
    so megabytes of ram, 80 gb harddrive).

    What old Linux distro would be cool to run on this thing?

    i dunno from cool but Knoppix will boot in 32 bit kernel if
    that is one of the problems you are facing. What media can you use
    to install the Linux distibution?

    Knoppix has CDs and DVD and usually these can be written to
    USB flash drives. Bur read up on it before you start as things seem to
    have changed. Knoppix was one of the first distributions I tried out when
    I was getting into Linux.
    Get the knoppix-cheatcodes.txt.
    And if you are in the USA then use <http://mirrors.sonic.net/knoppix/> There are directories for DVD and CD.
    Don't forget to download a checksum though Knoppix has an on iso
    file
    check run when booting up.
    Good luck.

    bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.07- Linux 6.12.35- Plasma 5.27.11



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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 6 03:19:38 2025
    On 05 Jul 2025 09:26:18 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    On the same time, Ubuntu was running fine on [the Eee PC], so it was
    enough for a day to day usage. And as everyone started to buy it
    Microsoft started to be afraid and agreed to sell it with an
    obsolete version of Windows.

    Vista was a real embarrassment to Microsoft, on that score as well as
    others.

    Just to add to the fun, the Linux versions of all those fancy 3D effects
    worked fine on the Eee, too (I tried them on mine), while Vista was so bad
    in its hardware requirements for those effects that it led to a lawsuit.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Sun Jul 6 04:34:08 2025
    On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:31:36 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    I have a friend who really wants her EEEPC to run but she had
    Ubuntu
    14.02 installed and is unwilling to turn her back on it and learn to use anoher distribution.

    Understood. At this point I've been through so many distros and DEs in the
    last 30 or so years it's like driving a car. Adjust seat and mirrors, find lights, directionals, wipers, radio, drop it into gear and go. If it's a manual, find out where R is; some of them are weird.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Jul 6 01:51:34 2025
    On 7/6/25 12:34 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:31:36 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    I have a friend who really wants her EEEPC to run but she had
    Ubuntu
    14.02 installed and is unwilling to turn her back on it and learn to use
    anoher distribution.

    Understood. At this point I've been through so many distros and DEs in the last 30 or so years it's like driving a car. Adjust seat and mirrors, find lights, directionals, wipers, radio, drop it into gear and go. If it's a manual, find out where R is; some of them are weird.

    MX-LXDE may be the solution - but there ARE other
    even more 'light' distros that are OK.

    The poster seems to want an OLD distro, but that's
    not necessary.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Jul 6 09:07:40 2025
    On 05/07/2025 19:29, rbowman wrote:
    The eee PC 701 originally ran Xandros. I doubt Ubuntu would have worked.
    Linux Mint worked.

    --
    “But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an hypothesis!”

    Mary Wollstonecraft

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  • From Harold Stevens@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 7 12:37:37 2025
    In <20250707092632.0000201d@gmail.com> John Ames:

    [Snip...]

    (Whichever web developer came up with the first page that needed
    scripts enabled to display static page content should've been shot then
    and there, as a warning to the rest.)

    I agree in principle. :)

    What I suspect actually "motivated" designers was less a concern with the efficieny of code, and more about the Pointy Hair Boss Mob demanding that
    every ADVERSISEMENT possible be jammed into space available using JS.

    Why JS? It was the New And Shiny Agentic AI of that era.

    "...plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose"
    --Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr

    --
    Regards, Weird (Harold Stevens) * IMPORTANT EMAIL INFO FOLLOWS *
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