• Re: Trouble with laptop display

    From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Thu Jul 17 08:34:41 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 16/07/2025 20.41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-16 18:52, VanguardLH wrote:

    Take a flashlight, and shine it at the display at an angle.  Can you see
    what would have been displayed if the backlamps came on?

    I can easily try that. [...]  You are absolutely right, I can see the
    Compaq logo as it tries to boot.


    So, unless it is a faulty cable, it is garbage time.

    You could take the work and replace the LCD with a new one, I see there
    is at least one seller on ebay who has the LCD: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/192347292502

    To find other sellers just search for "replacement lcd for Compaq
    Presario CQ61-330SS" at your favorite search engine.

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    //Aho

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  • From Simon@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Sat Jul 19 13:36:20 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 15:11:59 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-07-19 04:42, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 7/18/25 15:31, Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 7/18/2025 5:05 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 18/07/2025 21:24, Jack wrote:
    On 18/07/2025 11:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    So if it is *merely* a display problem perhaps you could send it to >>>>>> all the peole here who thingk that replacing a screen and cable is >>>>>> a doddle..:-)

    The thing(s) most users of laptops can do themselves are:

    Change/upgrade HDD/SSD Upgrade Memory Apply new CPU thermal paste
    Clean internal fan Change keyboard (but very rarely!!)
    Change battery (but requires unscrewing the old one on thin laptops
    - not accessible easily these days)

    Unfortunately all these require one thing most users of laptops
    *cannot* do themselves Open the fucking thing up without destroying
    it!


    Anything else requires careful cost/benefit analysis.

    They're just screws, they won't bite :-)

        No but they will roll away and hide. Use a clean unused muffin
        tin
    to confine them to work area.

    If you can grab them before they jump.


    Also, not all of them are the same thread, or the same length. So using
    a single tin is problematic.


    You should note what came from where, a very simple way to document it all
    is to video the disassembly, then you can refer back when rebuilding it.


    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to Simon on Sun Jul 20 09:55:51 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    In comp.os.linux.misc Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 15:11:59 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    Also, not all of them are the same thread, or the same length. So using
    a single tin is problematic.

    You should note what came from where, a very simple way to document it all
    is to video the disassembly, then you can refer back when rebuilding it.

    Service manuals tell you all that anyway, and I already posted a
    link to the service manual for this laptop. Without one it can be
    hard, but with a good manual like that everything's much easier.

    Without one storing the screws usually isn't the issue for me, it's
    finding where they've hidden them under pads/stickers/trim on the
    laptop.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Computer Nerd Kev on Sun Jul 20 02:02:36 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 20 Jul 2025 09:55:51 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    Without one storing the screws usually isn't the issue for me, it's
    finding where they've hidden them under pads/stickers/trim on the
    laptop.

    It was so long ago I don't even remember what it was, maybe a Cpmpaq, but
    I managed to pour half a cup of coffee on a laptop keyboard. Replacement
    wasn't difficult -- as long as you had the secret guide to the concealed fasteners.

    It wasn't any worse than installing a radio in my 2007 Toyota. Thankfully
    the Yaris forum had a guide to all the snap together plastic bits and
    pieces you had to remove to get to the actual DIN cutout.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Simon on Sat Jul 19 21:44:13 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 7/19/25 06:36, Simon wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 15:11:59 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-07-19 04:42, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 7/18/25 15:31, Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 7/18/2025 5:05 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 18/07/2025 21:24, Jack wrote:
    On 18/07/2025 11:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    So if it is *merely* a display problem perhaps you could send it to >>>>>>> all the peole here who thingk that replacing a screen and cable is >>>>>>> a doddle..:-)

    The thing(s) most users of laptops can do themselves are:

    Change/upgrade HDD/SSD Upgrade Memory Apply new CPU thermal paste
    Clean internal fan Change keyboard (but very rarely!!)
    Change battery (but requires unscrewing the old one on thin laptops >>>>>> - not accessible easily these days)

    Unfortunately all these require one thing most users of laptops
    *cannot* do themselves Open the fucking thing up without destroying
    it!


    Anything else requires careful cost/benefit analysis.

    They're just screws, they won't bite :-)

        No but they will roll away and hide. Use a clean unused muffin >>>     tin
    to confine them to work area.

    If you can grab them before they jump.


    Also, not all of them are the same thread, or the same length. So using
    a single tin is problematic.

    Oh you unfamiliar with the concept! A muffin tin is a baking tool that has a
    number of cups to hold the muffin dough. So that one tin has from 8 to 12
    cups on it and the fewer cups, the larger the individual cup are so that
    your
    screws have plenty of space>

    You should note what came from where, a very simple way to document it all
    is to video the disassembly, then you can refer back when rebuilding it.


    In any video the problem is distinguishing any tiny part from another.
    Pay very close attention to what you are doing.

    bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.07- Linux 6.12.39- Plasma 5.27.11

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  • From Simon@21:1/5 to Computer Nerd Kev on Sun Jul 20 05:00:24 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 20 Jul 2025 09:55:51 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    Service manuals tell you all that anyway, and I already posted a link to
    the service manual for this laptop. Without one it can be hard, but with
    a good manual like that everything's much easier.

    Without one storing the screws usually isn't the issue for me, it's
    finding where they've hidden them under pads/stickers/trim on the
    laptop.

    Yes, you're never sure if a clip is stuck or there is a screw there
    somewhere.



    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Simon on Sat Jul 19 21:43:11 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 7/19/25 06:36, Simon wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 15:11:59 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-07-19 04:42, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 7/18/25 15:31, Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 7/18/2025 5:05 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 18/07/2025 21:24, Jack wrote:
    On 18/07/2025 11:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    So if it is *merely* a display problem perhaps you could send it to >>>>>>> all the peole here who thingk that replacing a screen and cable is >>>>>>> a doddle..:-)

    The thing(s) most users of laptops can do themselves are:

    Change/upgrade HDD/SSD Upgrade Memory Apply new CPU thermal paste
    Clean internal fan Change keyboard (but very rarely!!)
    Change battery (but requires unscrewing the old one on thin laptops >>>>>> - not accessible easily these days)

    Unfortunately all these require one thing most users of laptops
    *cannot* do themselves Open the fucking thing up without destroying
    it!


    Anything else requires careful cost/benefit analysis.

    They're just screws, they won't bite :-)

        No but they will roll away and hide. Use a clean unused muffin >>>     tin
    to confine them to work area.

    If you can grab them before they jump.


    Also, not all of them are the same thread, or the same length. So using
    a single tin is problematic.

    Oh you unfamiliar with the concept! A muffin tin is a baking tool that has a
    number of cups to hold the muffin dough. So that one tin has from 8 to 12
    cups on it and the fewer cups, the larger the individual cup are so that
    your
    screws have plenty of space>

    You should note what came from where, a very simple way to document it all
    is to video the disassembly, then you can refer back when rebuilding it.


    In any video the problem is distinguishing any tiny part from another.

    bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.07- Linux 6.12.39- Plasma 5.27.11

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Sun Jul 20 05:29:43 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 21:43:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    Oh you unfamiliar with the concept! A muffin tin is a baking
    tool
    that
    has a number of cups to hold the muffin dough. So that one tin has from
    8 to 12 cups on it and the fewer cups, the larger the individual cup are
    so that your screws have plenty of space>

    That's fine until you knock the muffin tin off the workbench.

    amazon.com/10-Piece-Magnetic-Holder-Stainless-Organization/dp/B08LG9M39F

    Of course, that assumes the screws are magnetic. I recently assembled a
    PiDog.

    https://docs.sunfounder.com/projects/pidog/en/latest/

    I think the smallest screws were M1.5x3 and the largest were M3x6. All the fasteners were in separate ziplock bags and identified but keeping track
    of them was fun. The magenetic holders saved me several times.
    Unfortunately the plastic push rivets weren't magnetic but they were a
    little easier to keep track of.

    My eyes and my patience ain't what they used to be.

    The cat isn't sure what it is but suddenly decided it was time for a
    stroll outside.

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Jul 20 21:10:24 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 20/07/2025 12:02 pm, rbowman wrote:
    On 20 Jul 2025 09:55:51 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    Without one storing the screws usually isn't the issue for me, it's
    finding where they've hidden them under pads/stickers/trim on the
    laptop.

    It was so long ago I don't even remember what it was, maybe a Cpmpaq, but
    I managed to pour half a cup of coffee on a laptop keyboard. Replacement wasn't difficult -- as long as you had the secret guide to the concealed fasteners.

    My HP 6730b laptop got half a glass on Coca-Cola spilt on its keyboard.

    Many of the keys stopped working .... but a USB plug-in keyboard fixed
    the problem.
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Jul 20 07:34:49 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On Sun, 7/20/2025 1:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 21:43:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    Oh you unfamiliar with the concept! A muffin tin is a baking
    tool
    that
    has a number of cups to hold the muffin dough. So that one tin has from
    8 to 12 cups on it and the fewer cups, the larger the individual cup are
    so that your screws have plenty of space>

    That's fine until you knock the muffin tin off the workbench.

    amazon.com/10-Piece-Magnetic-Holder-Stainless-Organization/dp/B08LG9M39F

    Of course, that assumes the screws are magnetic. I recently assembled a PiDog.

    https://docs.sunfounder.com/projects/pidog/en/latest/

    I think the smallest screws were M1.5x3 and the largest were M3x6. All the fasteners were in separate ziplock bags and identified but keeping track
    of them was fun. The magenetic holders saved me several times.
    Unfortunately the plastic push rivets weren't magnetic but they were a
    little easier to keep track of.

    My eyes and my patience ain't what they used to be.

    The cat isn't sure what it is but suddenly decided it was time for a
    stroll outside.


    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/analysis-robots-achieve-what-humans-never-will-assembling-an-ikea-chair-in-less-than-21-minutes

    It took three years, to program the robot arms to assemble an Ikea chair (peg based).
    (The "programming" being the sequential series of tools to allow the robot
    to autonomously plan the whole project. It's not just playback of a fixed set of motions. The robots plan the whole thing for themselves. )

    The robot goes all the way from comparing the pieces to a 3D library
    of finished items, to determine what kind of object the parts
    can be assembled to produce. Like other entities,
    the robots did not read the instructions.

    The putting-the-side-of-the-chair-on is pretty cool. With the
    robot arms acting as "master" and "follow the leader".

    And it didn't snap the pegs off. You would think in three years,
    they would have trashed the chair several times while
    attempting assembly.

    Paul

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Jul 20 12:54:58 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 20/07/2025 06:29, rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 21:43:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    Oh you unfamiliar with the concept! A muffin tin is a baking
    tool
    that
    has a number of cups to hold the muffin dough. So that one tin has from
    8 to 12 cups on it and the fewer cups, the larger the individual cup are
    so that your screws have plenty of space>

    That's fine until you knock the muffin tin off the workbench.

    amazon.com/10-Piece-Magnetic-Holder-Stainless-Organization/dp/B08LG9M39F

    Yiu alreadyt spent 1/3rd the price of a workin used computer....

    Of course, that assumes the screws are magnetic. I recently assembled a PiDog.

    https://docs.sunfounder.com/projects/pidog/en/latest/

    I think the smallest screws were M1.5x3 and the largest were M3x6. All the fasteners were in separate ziplock bags and identified but keeping track
    of them was fun. The magenetic holders saved me several times.
    Unfortunately the plastic push rivets weren't magnetic but they were a
    little easier to keep track of.

    My eyes and my patience ain't what they used to be.

    The cat isn't sure what it is but suddenly decided it was time for a
    stroll outside.
    It shows good sense

    --
    Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
    But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Jul 20 21:04:18 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 2025-07-20 13:34, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 7/20/2025 1:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 21:43:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/analysis-robots-achieve-what-humans-never-will-assembling-an-ikea-chair-in-less-than-21-minutes

    It took three years, to program the robot arms to assemble an Ikea chair (peg based).
    (The "programming" being the sequential series of tools to allow the robot
    to autonomously plan the whole project. It's not just playback of a fixed set of motions. The robots plan the whole thing for themselves. )

    The robot goes all the way from comparing the pieces to a 3D library
    of finished items, to determine what kind of object the parts
    can be assembled to produce. Like other entities,
    the robots did not read the instructions.

    The putting-the-side-of-the-chair-on is pretty cool. With the
    robot arms acting as "master" and "follow the leader".

    And it didn't snap the pegs off. You would think in three years,
    they would have trashed the chair several times while
    attempting assembly.

    Wow.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Sun Jul 20 20:55:31 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 2025-07-20 06:43, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 7/19/25 06:36, Simon wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 15:11:59 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-07-19 04:42, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 7/18/25 15:31, Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 7/18/2025 5:05 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 18/07/2025 21:24, Jack wrote:
    On 18/07/2025 11:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    So if it is *merely* a display problem perhaps you could send it to >>>>>>>> all the peole here who thingk that replacing a screen and cable is >>>>>>>> a doddle..:-)

    The thing(s) most users of laptops can do themselves are:

    Change/upgrade HDD/SSD Upgrade Memory Apply new CPU thermal paste >>>>>>> Clean internal fan Change keyboard (but very rarely!!)
    Change battery (but requires unscrewing the old one on thin laptops >>>>>>> - not accessible easily these days)

    Unfortunately all these require one thing most users of laptops
    *cannot* do themselves Open the fucking thing up without destroying >>>>>> it!


    Anything else requires careful cost/benefit analysis.

    They're just screws, they won't bite :-)

          No but they will roll away and hide. Use a clean unused muffin >>>>       tin
    to confine them to work area.

    If you can grab them before they jump.


    Also, not all of them are the same thread, or the same length. So using
    a single tin is problematic.

        Oh you unfamiliar with the concept!  A muffin tin is a baking tool that has a
    number of cups to hold the muffin dough.  So that one tin has from 8 to 12 cups on it and the fewer cups, the larger the individual cup are so that
    your
    screws have plenty of space>

    Oh, language problem here. I did not realize what muffin tin you were
    talking about. English is not my first language.

    Ice cube boxes :-)
    Or egg boxes.

    I had forgotten them.

    In my 20x I could disassemble something and remember where everything
    went. Not any longer.



    You should note what came from where, a very simple way to document it
    all
    is to video the disassembly, then you can refer back when rebuilding it.


        In any video the problem is distinguishing any tiny part from another.

    bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.07- Linux 6.12.39- Plasma 5.27.11




    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Jul 20 19:50:14 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 07:34:49 -0400, Paul wrote:

    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

    My first 'robot' was about 45 years ago. It was a fairly dumb robotic arm
    used for testing tantalum capacitors. The brain, as it were, was a Z80
    with the low level done in assembler with hooks for the engineers who
    worked in Pascal. Pascal wasn't a great fit but it was what the University
    of Maine used as a didactic language and what they knew.

    What I could have done with a RPi or even a Pico...

    Good idea though. I start having problems when the hardware gets smaller
    than 4-40.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Sun Jul 20 20:22:28 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 20/07/2025 19:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-20 06:43, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 7/19/25 06:36, Simon wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 15:11:59 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2025-07-19 04:42, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 7/18/25 15:31, Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 7/18/2025 5:05 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 18/07/2025 21:24, Jack wrote:
    On 18/07/2025 11:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    So if it is *merely* a display problem perhaps you
    could send it to all the peole here who thingk that
    replacing a screen and cable is a doddle..:-)

    The thing(s) most users of laptops can do themselves
    are:

    Change/upgrade HDD/SSD Upgrade Memory Apply new CPU
    thermal paste Clean internal fan Change keyboard (but
    very rarely!!) Change battery (but requires unscrewing
    the old one on thin laptops - not accessible easily
    these days)

    Unfortunately all these require one thing most users of
    laptops *cannot* do themselves Open the fucking thing up
    without destroying it!


    Anything else requires careful cost/benefit analysis.

    They're just screws, they won't bite :-)

    No but they will roll away and hide. Use a clean unused
    muffin tin to confine them to work area.

    If you can grab them before they jump.


    Also, not all of them are the same thread, or the same length.
    So using a single tin is problematic.

    Oh you unfamiliar with the concept! A muffin tin is a baking tool
    that has a number of cups to hold the muffin dough. So that one
    tin has from 8 to 12 cups on it and the fewer cups, the larger the
    individual cup are so that your screws have plenty of space>

    Oh, language problem here. I did not realize what muffin tin you were
    talking about. English is not my first language.

    That's not English, that's American.
    WE used to fall them way back 'patty pans' but the modern equivalent is
    a bun tray. Patty pan having being grabbed by americans to mean a type
    of squash that resembles the old decorated patty pan.

    Ice cube boxes :-) Or egg boxes.

    I had forgotten them.

    Good thoughts.

    Or even fishing tackle boxes.

    https://www.amazon.com/Samdely-HyperSeal-Waterproof-Removable-13-98x8-86x2-17/dp/B0F8HVTWXB

    The purpose made disassembly pads are supposed to be good.

    https://www.amazon.com/Kaisi-Insulation-Silicone-Position-Soldering/dp/B07DGTJ463

    In my 20x I could disassemble something and remember where everything
    went. Not any longer.

    That's why god gave you a mobile phone with a camera


    --
    “There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

    —Soren Kierkegaard

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Sun Jul 20 19:54:24 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 20:55:31 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:


    In my 20x I could disassemble something and remember where everything
    went. Not any longer.

    There is that sinking feeling when you have everything buttoned up and
    realize you have a screw left over. That's when you start singing the old Meatloaf song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVvXWUAKtus

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Sun Jul 20 14:40:38 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 7/20/25 12:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-20 13:34, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 7/20/2025 1:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 21:43:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    absolutely nothing as far as I can recall about this topic.>

    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

       https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/analysis-robots-achieve-what-
    humans-never-will-assembling-an-ikea-chair-in-less-than-21-minutes

    It took three years, to program the robot arms to assemble an Ikea
    chair (peg based).
    (The "programming" being the sequential series of tools to allow the
    robot
    to autonomously plan the whole project. It's not just playback of a
    fixed set
    of motions. The robots plan the whole thing for themselves. )

    The robot goes all the way from comparing the pieces to a 3D library
    of finished items, to determine what kind of object the parts
    can be assembled to produce. Like other entities,
    the robots did not read the instructions.

    The putting-the-side-of-the-chair-on is pretty cool. With the
    robot arms acting as "master" and "follow the leader".

    And it didn't snap the pegs off. You would think in three years,
    they would have trashed the chair several times while
    attempting assembly.

    Wow.

    Robots are slowly increasing their capacities for making things but unlike many other entities I read the instructions and in less than 8 hours with the help of a second pair of hands assembled my new bed frame
    which is all metal with a lot of parts. I need the second pair of hands
    to remove the old mattress as I no longer have the strength to do so
    alone. That was in 2022.
    A robot to help would be very useful but would be out of my
    price range for a long time to come.

    bliss

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Sun Jul 20 20:43:17 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On Sun, 7/20/2025 5:40 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 7/20/25 12:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-20 13:34, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 7/20/2025 1:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 21:43:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

        absolutely nothing as far as I can recall about this topic.>

    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

       https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/analysis-robots-achieve-what- humans-never-will-assembling-an-ikea-chair-in-less-than-21-minutes

    It took three years, to program the robot arms to assemble an Ikea chair (peg based).
    (The "programming" being the sequential series of tools to allow the robot >>> to autonomously plan the whole project. It's not just playback of a fixed set
    of motions. The robots plan the whole thing for themselves. )

    The robot goes all the way from comparing the pieces to a 3D library
    of finished items, to determine what kind of object the parts
    can be assembled to produce. Like other entities,
    the robots did not read the instructions.

    The putting-the-side-of-the-chair-on is pretty cool. With the
    robot arms acting as "master" and "follow the leader".

    And it didn't snap the pegs off. You would think in three years,
    they would have trashed the chair several times while
    attempting assembly.

    Wow.

        Robots are slowly increasing their capacities for making things but unlike many other entities I read the instructions and in less than 8 hours with the help of a second pair of hands assembled my new bed frame
    which is all metal with a lot of parts.  I need the second pair of hands
    to remove the old mattress as I no  longer have the strength to do so alone.  That was in 2022.
        A robot to help would be very useful but would be out of my
    price range for a long time to come.

        bliss


    Those robots were made for assembling stuff, as they can sense how much
    tension they are applying to stuff. That's how they can build a peg chair
    (pegs instead of nails). Those robots are likely a bit stronger than the typical hobby robot.

    It's still impressive that they can do planning for the job. The Figure-One robot, the robot that "makes coffee", it shows a tiny bit of cleverness
    (it will wiggle a thing that doesn't fit), so we're getting there.
    And both the Figure-One and those industrial robots have the hands needed,
    to be useful.

    I visited a university lab in the mid-80's, and they had some hands
    in the lab. It's taken a long time for those hands to escape into the wild :-) One difference, is the old lab hands, they had no sensors, so if you
    attempted to screw in a light bulb, the light bulb would get crushed.
    The two robots in the article, assuming they could look up the
    properties of light bulbs, they could apply no more than the
    surface pressure rating, while screwing the item in. That's one area that
    hands are better now, is tactile feedback.

    And the prices, would be enterprise pricing, not priced for consumers.

    There are still companies that don't know how to build robots.
    You need to see a demo before you buy.

    There are people on USENET, who have more than one robot, and
    they're first generation and just awful. This is one of the disadvantages
    of being an early adopter. The first generation robots, a lot of them
    were "greeters", that could barely bring a tray to your table with
    your meal. And they weren't cheap either.

    Paul

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Jul 21 04:42:37 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 20:43:17 -0400, Paul wrote:

    There are people on USENET, who have more than one robot, and they're
    first generation and just awful. This is one of the disadvantages of
    being an early adopter. The first generation robots, a lot of them were "greeters", that could barely bring a tray to your table with your meal.
    And they weren't cheap either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unimate

    The Unimaetes were my first exposure. The GE Somersworth watt-hour meter
    plant used the on the die cast meter base line. They would insert magnets,
    wait for the machine to cycle, grab the part when the die opened, knock
    off the sprue, and toss the base in a bin. I wouldn't want one pouring my coffee; they were big, fast, and did not deviate from their programmed
    route.

    That was the early '70s. We were building automated presses for the
    phenolic molding operation and I would take a break to watch them when we
    were installing the equipment. I saw the future. Then came the oil
    embargo, the subsequent sending manufacturing to third world countries,
    and the demise of the US machine tool industry.

    I don't know if the decay is reversible but it would be nice to see the US become something more than baristas and pea pickers again.

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  • From Simon@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Jul 21 09:02:52 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 20 Jul 2025 19:54:24 GMT, rbowman wrote:

    There is that sinking feeling when you have everything buttoned up and realize you have a screw left over. That's when you start singing the
    old Meatloaf song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVvXWUAKtus

    I used to be a printer technician and it was a joke to add a screw to a colleagues bench while not looking to cause this. Of course it was soon
    not funny and the boss stopped it.



    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Jul 21 19:41:35 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote:

    <Snip>

    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

    Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of
    Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films??
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 21 12:16:39 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 2025-07-21 11:41, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote:

    <Snip>

    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

    Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of
    Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films??

    Assembling a robot is just following instructions. Robots programming
    robots would be the important trick.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Mon Jul 21 22:26:19 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 21/07/2025 8:16 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-21 11:41, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote:

    <Snip>

    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

    Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of
    Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films??

    Assembling a robot is just following instructions. Robots programming
    robots would be the important trick.

    Ah!! Right.
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@21:1/5 to daniel47@eternal-september.org on Mon Jul 21 17:35:08 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

    On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote:

    <Snip>

    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

    Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of
    Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films??

    I once read a short story about robots assembling robots. Unfortunately
    I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title might
    be something like "How the World Ended"). The basic idea was that the
    robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take
    apart other machinery to get parts. This brought an end to war, since
    robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots.
    In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen
    lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon.
    It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again.

    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Charlie Gibbs on Mon Jul 21 19:55:54 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 2025-07-21 19:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

    On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote:

    <Snip>

    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

    Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of
    Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films??

    I once read a short story about robots assembling robots. Unfortunately
    I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title might
    be something like "How the World Ended"). The basic idea was that the
    robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take
    apart other machinery to get parts. This brought an end to war, since
    robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots.
    In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen
    lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon.
    It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again.

    I remember another history, set in the Asimov Robot City universe, in
    which there were robot cells. Put many together, throw a positronic
    mind, and a power cell, and it would shape itself into a robot, of any
    shape.

    No wikipedia article, funny. The link is red.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_City

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Mon Jul 21 17:37:20 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On Mon, 7/21/2025 1:55 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-21 19:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

    On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote:

    <Snip>

    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

    Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of
    Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films??

    I once read a short story about robots assembling robots.  Unfortunately
    I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title might
    be something like "How the World Ended").  The basic idea was that the
    robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take
    apart other machinery to get parts.  This brought an end to war, since
    robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots.
    In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen
    lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon.
    It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again.

    I remember another history, set in the Asimov Robot City universe, in which there were robot cells. Put many together, throw a positronic mind, and a power cell, and it would shape itself into a robot, of any shape.

    No wikipedia article, funny. The link is red.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_City


    It's not red. It is perhaps not finished (sitting in draft?).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Isaac_Asimov%27s_Robot_City

    Here is a video with some self-assembling robots. One robot
    has managed to stack a second robot, which begins to move. Presumably
    the footing they are working on top of, exists for environments which
    lack gravity.

    MIT Center for Bits and Atoms

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94FDMGLwCc

    Paul

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Paul on Tue Jul 22 00:36:00 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 2025-07-21 23:37, Paul wrote:
    On Mon, 7/21/2025 1:55 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-21 19:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

    On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote:

    <Snip>

    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

    Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of
    Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films??

    I once read a short story about robots assembling robots.  Unfortunately >>> I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title might >>> be something like "How the World Ended").  The basic idea was that the
    robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take
    apart other machinery to get parts.  This brought an end to war, since
    robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots.
    In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen
    lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon.
    It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again.

    I remember another history, set in the Asimov Robot City universe, in which there were robot cells. Put many together, throw a positronic mind, and a power cell, and it would shape itself into a robot, of any shape.

    No wikipedia article, funny. The link is red.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_City


    It's not red. It is perhaps not finished (sitting in draft?).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Isaac_Asimov%27s_Robot_City

    Curious. To me, the link displayed in red. Still, does, says the link
    does not exist when hovering. When clicked, it says instead that there
    is a draft.


    Here is a video with some self-assembling robots. One robot
    has managed to stack a second robot, which begins to move. Presumably
    the footing they are working on top of, exists for environments which
    lack gravity.

    MIT Center for Bits and Atoms

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94FDMGLwCc

    Curious.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Robert Riches@21:1/5 to Java Jive on Tue Jul 22 02:43:12 2025
    On 2025-07-20, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-07-19 14:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    [screws]

    Also, not all of them are the same thread, or the same length. So using
    a single tin is problematic.

    I use a large clutter free workspace like, say, a cleared kitchen
    worktop, and as I remove the screws I place them within named circles on
    a sheet of paper which I place slightly apart from the rest of the work
    so that it will not be disturbed - depending on the laptop usually
    you'll need circles such as Keyboard, Palm Rest, HD, DVD, Screen, Base,
    etc. That way I know which screws belong where, regardless of slight differences is length or thread, etc.

    Another method is to use a box of snack-sized zip-lock bags and a
    pad of 3x5 memo paper. At each step or for each type of
    fastener, put them in a bag and write a sequence number and short
    description on a paper in the bag. I used that when replacing
    intake manifold gaskets on a 1st-gen Vortec engine.

    --
    Robert Riches
    spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
    (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 22 12:08:30 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 2025-07-22 11:57, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 22/07/2025 3:55 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-21 19:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

    On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote:

    <Snip>

    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

    Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of
    Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films??

    I once read a short story about robots assembling robots.  Unfortunately >>> I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title
    might
    be something like "How the World Ended").  The basic idea was that the
    robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take
    apart other machinery to get parts.  This brought an end to war, since
    robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots.
    In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen
    lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon.
    It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again.

    I remember another history, set in the Asimov Robot City universe, in
    which there were robot cells. Put many together, throw a positronic
    mind, and a power cell, and it would shape itself into a robot, of any
    shape.

    No wikipedia article, funny. The link is red.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_City

    Not RED for me. Clicking your link takes we to a page which shows ....

    Quote
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Robot City may refer to:

        Robot City, a fictional city in the 2005 Blue Sky Studios film Robots
     *  Isaac Asimov's Robot City, a series of science fiction novels * written by multiple authors, inspired by Isaac Asimov's Robot series.
            Robot City (game), a computer game developed by Brooklyn Multimedia and released in 1995, based on the book series

    The link marked with ** above shows in red to me.

    Screenshot: <https://paste.opensuse.org/29f504172f63>

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Tue Jul 22 19:57:10 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 22/07/2025 3:55 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-21 19:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

    On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote:

    <Snip>

    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

    Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of
    Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films??

    I once read a short story about robots assembling robots.  Unfortunately
    I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title might
    be something like "How the World Ended").  The basic idea was that the
    robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take
    apart other machinery to get parts.  This brought an end to war, since
    robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots.
    In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen
    lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon.
    It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again.

    I remember another history, set in the Asimov Robot City universe, in
    which there were robot cells. Put many together, throw a positronic
    mind, and a power cell, and it would shape itself into a robot, of any
    shape.

    No wikipedia article, funny. The link is red.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_City

    Not RED for me. Clicking your link takes we to a page which shows ....

    Quote
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Robot City may refer to:

    Robot City, a fictional city in the 2005 Blue Sky Studios film Robots
    Isaac Asimov's Robot City, a series of science fiction novels
    written by multiple authors, inspired by Isaac Asimov's Robot series.
    Robot City (game), a computer game developed by Brooklyn
    Multimedia and released in 1995, based on the book series

    Disambiguation icon
    This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the title Robot
    City.
    If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change the link to
    point directly to the intended article.
    End Quote.

    --
    Daniel70

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 22 12:46:15 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 22/07/2025 12:38, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 22/07/2025 8:08 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-22 11:57, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 22/07/2025 3:55 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-21 19:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

    On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote:

    <Snip>

    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

    Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of >>>>>> Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films??

    I once read a short story about robots assembling robots.
    Unfortunately
    I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title
    might
    be something like "How the World Ended").  The basic idea was that the >>>>> robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take >>>>> apart other machinery to get parts.  This brought an end to war, since >>>>> robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots.
    In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen >>>>> lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon. >>>>> It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again.

    I remember another history, set in the Asimov Robot City universe,
    in which there were robot cells. Put many together, throw a
    positronic mind, and a power cell, and it would shape itself into a
    robot, of any shape.

    No wikipedia article, funny. The link is red.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_City

    Not RED for me. Clicking your link takes we to a page which shows ....

    Quote
     From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Robot City may refer to:

         Robot City, a fictional city in the 2005 Blue Sky Studios film
    Robots
      *  Isaac Asimov's Robot City, a series of science fiction novels  * >>> written by multiple authors, inspired by Isaac Asimov's Robot series.
             Robot City (game), a computer game developed by Brooklyn >>> Multimedia and released in 1995, based on the book series

    The link marked with ** above shows in red to me.

    Screenshot: <https://paste.opensuse.org/29f504172f63>

    From that page ....

    "Blue Sky Studios", "Robots", "Isaac Asimov's Robot City", "Isaac
    Asimov's Robot series", "Robot City (game)", "disambiguation" and
    "internal link" all show as Blue Clickable links for me.
    Not for me.

    --
    Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Tue Jul 22 21:38:13 2025
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 22/07/2025 8:08 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-22 11:57, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 22/07/2025 3:55 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-21 19:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

    On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote:

    <Snip>

    Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
    so it could assemble your other robots for you.

    Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of >>>>> Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films??

    I once read a short story about robots assembling robots.
    Unfortunately
    I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title
    might
    be something like "How the World Ended").  The basic idea was that the >>>> robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take
    apart other machinery to get parts.  This brought an end to war, since >>>> robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots.
    In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen >>>> lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon. >>>> It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again.

    I remember another history, set in the Asimov Robot City universe, in
    which there were robot cells. Put many together, throw a positronic
    mind, and a power cell, and it would shape itself into a robot, of
    any shape.

    No wikipedia article, funny. The link is red.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_City

    Not RED for me. Clicking your link takes we to a page which shows ....

    Quote
     From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Robot City may refer to:

         Robot City, a fictional city in the 2005 Blue Sky Studios film
    Robots
      *  Isaac Asimov's Robot City, a series of science fiction novels  *
    written by multiple authors, inspired by Isaac Asimov's Robot series.
             Robot City (game), a computer game developed by Brooklyn
    Multimedia and released in 1995, based on the book series

    The link marked with ** above shows in red to me.

    Screenshot: <https://paste.opensuse.org/29f504172f63>

    From that page ....

    "Blue Sky Studios", "Robots", "Isaac Asimov's Robot City", "Isaac
    Asimov's Robot series", "Robot City (game)", "disambiguation" and
    "internal link" all show as Blue Clickable links for me.
    --
    Daniel70

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