On 8/21/25 10:40 PM, Paul wrote:
On Thu, 8/21/2025 6:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I know of this because back then I read an article in a computer
magazine where they wrote a "driver" or something that multiplied the
capacity of floppies, playing with the timings. The article went into
all the gory details.
I wonder how Linux implemented the floppy routines, though. At some
point, someone had to write floppy handling code that worked on any
PC, CPU and speed.
Linux may have handled "better" floppy controller blocks than
the one in the example. Did Linux ever work with 8" floppy drives ?
Never saw that. Linux came along well after 8-inchers.
Support was likely seen as "unnecessary".
I think reading 8-inchers would require custom interface
hardware. May have once, briefly, existed but good luck
tracking down anything now.
Last box I had with 8-inchers, I just wired up a funky
serial interface to an original IBM-PC and copied the
data over that way. Somewhere I have a photo - nest of
about ten discrete wires stuck into the ports :-)
I think the hardware had advanced a bit past that point.
Even our last machine with 8" floppy in it, the staff were basically
ignoring the floppy. Back when the only thing you owned was a floppy,
it was much more important that it work. Some of our server
configurations,
seemed to boot off the floppy :-) I think the print server worked that
way.
You'd boot the floppy and you had a print server.
8-inchers LOOKED impressive ... but they didn't HOLD
very much nor were especially quick. I've still got
a few of them around ... because they look cool, not
because they're good for anything. A huge number of
people even slightly younger than I am NEVER saw an
8-inch floppy.
To paraphrase : "You call THAT a floppy ? Now THIS
is a floppy !" :-)
Hmmm ... remember the old removable-platter hard drive
units ? 99.999% haven't. They'd probably try to remove
the pak while it was still spinning :-)
LAST one I ever saw ... weirdly, in the sonar niche
of an attack submarine. Mil systems tend to be specced
like ten or twelve years before you see actual product.
Anyway, try :
https://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/s_drives_howto.html#dunfield
On 2025-08-22 09:30, c186282 wrote:
On 8/21/25 10:40 PM, Paul wrote:
On Thu, 8/21/2025 6:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I know of this because back then I read an article in a computer
magazine where they wrote a "driver" or something that multiplied
the capacity of floppies, playing with the timings. The article went
into all the gory details.
I wonder how Linux implemented the floppy routines, though. At some
point, someone had to write floppy handling code that worked on any
PC, CPU and speed.
Linux may have handled "better" floppy controller blocks than
the one in the example. Did Linux ever work with 8" floppy drives ?
Never saw that. Linux came along well after 8-inchers.
Support was likely seen as "unnecessary".
I think reading 8-inchers would require custom interface
hardware. May have once, briefly, existed but good luck
tracking down anything now.
Last box I had with 8-inchers, I just wired up a funky
serial interface to an original IBM-PC and copied the
data over that way. Somewhere I have a photo - nest of
about ten discrete wires stuck into the ports :-)
I think the hardware had advanced a bit past that point.
Even our last machine with 8" floppy in it, the staff were basically
ignoring the floppy. Back when the only thing you owned was a floppy,
it was much more important that it work. Some of our server
configurations,
seemed to boot off the floppy :-) I think the print server worked
that way.
You'd boot the floppy and you had a print server.
8-inchers LOOKED impressive ... but they didn't HOLD
very much nor were especially quick. I've still got
a few of them around ... because they look cool, not
because they're good for anything. A huge number of
people even slightly younger than I am NEVER saw an
8-inch floppy.
To paraphrase : "You call THAT a floppy ? Now THIS
is a floppy !" :-)
Hmmm ... remember the old removable-platter hard drive
units ? 99.999% haven't. They'd probably try to remove
the pak while it was still spinning :-)
No, I don't remember. Only saw them in books or movies :-)
LAST one I ever saw ... weirdly, in the sonar niche
of an attack submarine. Mil systems tend to be specced
like ten or twelve years before you see actual product.
I was told a submarine history.
Someone bought a new computer, guaranteed. It was an Amstrad PC (maybe
the model with hard disk). Days later he came back to the shop, the
machine would not boot. The vendor handed over a new unit. A few days
more, the client came back with another broken machine. I think they
tried once more before the vendor started asked questions. Where are you installing it? Well, you know, in our navy submarine {name}. (maybe they
were trying in the entire fleet of two or three subs, or only one,
dunno). The vendor quietly said that they would not supply them with any
more computers.
The computer died soon after they started the diesel engine, the
vibrations killed the computers :-D
Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit surprised that
a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be silent,
but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
Anyway, try :
https://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/s_drives_howto.html#dunfield
On 8/22/25 6:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-22 09:30, c186282 wrote:
On 8/21/25 10:40 PM, Paul wrote:
On Thu, 8/21/2025 6:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
LAST one I ever saw ... weirdly, in the sonar niche
of an attack submarine. Mil systems tend to be specced
like ten or twelve years before you see actual product.
I was told a submarine history.
Someone bought a new computer, guaranteed. It was an Amstrad PC (maybe
the model with hard disk). Days later he came back to the shop, the
machine would not boot. The vendor handed over a new unit. A few days
more, the client came back with another broken machine. I think they
tried once more before the vendor started asked questions. Where are
you installing it? Well, you know, in our navy submarine {name}.
(maybe they were trying in the entire fleet of two or three subs, or
only one, dunno). The vendor quietly said that they would not supply
them with any more computers.
The computer died soon after they started the diesel engine, the
vibrations killed the computers :-D
Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit surprised
that a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be
silent, but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
The diesel is mostly to keep the batteries topped-off.
The sub I toured was nuke ... there was a big door with
a bunch of "We will KILL you if you enter" kind of stuff
writ on it.
The military loves its secrets.
Anyway, try :
https://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/s_drives_howto.html#dunfield
Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit surprised that
a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be silent,
but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:23:39 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit surprised that
a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be silent,
but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
The pigboats were silent -- when they were running on batteries.
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2018/june/theres-case-diesels
Like everything else diesel engines and batteries have improved. It's interesting a diesel boat in stealth mode is quieter than a nuke.
It takes a special breed of cat for submarines. I've never been on a
nuclear sub but I have been on a diesel that was in the Groton yard.
Besides the psychological profile I'm not built to be a submariner -- or a tanker for that matter. I don't think there is a height limit anymore but unless you're under 6' you do a lot of ducking.
On 2025-08-22 20:55, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:23:39 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit surprised that >>> a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be silent,
but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
The pigboats were silent -- when they were running on batteries.
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2018/june/theres-case-diesels
Like everything else diesel engines and batteries have improved. It's
interesting a diesel boat in stealth mode is quieter than a nuke.
It takes a special breed of cat for submarines. I've never been on a
nuclear sub but I have been on a diesel that was in the Groton yard.
Besides the psychological profile I'm not built to be a submariner --
or a
tanker for that matter. I don't think there is a height limit anymore but
unless you're under 6' you do a lot of ducking.
Spain is building a new class of submarines, the S80, with
"Air-independent propulsion (AIP)".
«The S-80's air-independent propulsion (AIP) system is based on a bioethanol-processor consisting of a reaction chamber and several intermediate Coprox reactors. Provided by Hynergreen from Abengoa, the
system transforms the bioethanol (BioEtOH) into high purity hydrogen.
The output feeds a series of fuel cells from UTC Power company.»
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-80_Plus-class_submarine>
There are two built currently, but they run on standard diesels. The
third one, the S81 is scheduled to have the actual AIP, and then it will
be retrofitted on the other two.
Which means they are delayed, previously the S82 was scheduled to have it.
On 22/08/2025 21:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-22 20:55, rbowman wrote:All sounds a bit ecosilly
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:23:39 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit surprised
that
a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be silent, >>>> but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
The pigboats were silent -- when they were running on batteries.
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2018/june/theres-case-diesels >>>
Like everything else diesel engines and batteries have improved. It's
interesting a diesel boat in stealth mode is quieter than a nuke.
It takes a special breed of cat for submarines. I've never been on a
nuclear sub but I have been on a diesel that was in the Groton yard.
Besides the psychological profile I'm not built to be a submariner --
or a
tanker for that matter. I don't think there is a height limit anymore
but
unless you're under 6' you do a lot of ducking.
Spain is building a new class of submarines, the S80, with "Air-
independent propulsion (AIP)".
«The S-80's air-independent propulsion (AIP) system is based on a
bioethanol-processor consisting of a reaction chamber and several
intermediate Coprox reactors. Provided by Hynergreen from Abengoa, the
system transforms the bioethanol (BioEtOH) into high purity hydrogen.
The output feeds a series of fuel cells from UTC Power company.»
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-80_Plus-class_submarine>
There are two built currently, but they run on standard diesels. The
third one, the S81 is scheduled to have the actual AIP, and then it
will be retrofitted on the other two.
Which means they are delayed, previously the S82 was scheduled to have
it.
They will be putting sails on the nukes next, to keep the greens happy
On 2025-08-22 23:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/08/2025 21:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-22 20:55, rbowman wrote:All sounds a bit ecosilly
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:23:39 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit surprised
that
a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be silent, >>>>> but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
The pigboats were silent -- when they were running on batteries.
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2018/june/theres-case-diesels >>>>
Like everything else diesel engines and batteries have improved. It's
interesting a diesel boat in stealth mode is quieter than a nuke.
It takes a special breed of cat for submarines. I've never been on a
nuclear sub but I have been on a diesel that was in the Groton yard.
Besides the psychological profile I'm not built to be a submariner
-- or a
tanker for that matter. I don't think there is a height limit
anymore but
unless you're under 6' you do a lot of ducking.
Spain is building a new class of submarines, the S80, with "Air-
independent propulsion (AIP)".
«The S-80's air-independent propulsion (AIP) system is based on a
bioethanol-processor consisting of a reaction chamber and several
intermediate Coprox reactors. Provided by Hynergreen from Abengoa,
the system transforms the bioethanol (BioEtOH) into high purity
hydrogen. The output feeds a series of fuel cells from UTC Power
company.»
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-80_Plus-class_submarine>
There are two built currently, but they run on standard diesels. The
third one, the S81 is scheduled to have the actual AIP, and then it
will be retrofitted on the other two.
Which means they are delayed, previously the S82 was scheduled to
have it.
They will be putting sails on the nukes next, to keep the greens happy
It has nothing to do with ecology, but with autonomy underwater and
silence.
On 22/08/2025 22:21, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-22 23:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Nuclear is better
On 22/08/2025 21:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-22 20:55, rbowman wrote:All sounds a bit ecosilly
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:23:39 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit
surprised that
a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be
silent,
but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
The pigboats were silent -- when they were running on batteries.
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2018/june/theres-case-
diesels
Like everything else diesel engines and batteries have improved. It's >>>>> interesting a diesel boat in stealth mode is quieter than a nuke.
It takes a special breed of cat for submarines. I've never been on a >>>>> nuclear sub but I have been on a diesel that was in the Groton yard. >>>>> Besides the psychological profile I'm not built to be a submariner
-- or a
tanker for that matter. I don't think there is a height limit
anymore but
unless you're under 6' you do a lot of ducking.
Spain is building a new class of submarines, the S80, with "Air-
independent propulsion (AIP)".
«The S-80's air-independent propulsion (AIP) system is based on a
bioethanol-processor consisting of a reaction chamber and several
intermediate Coprox reactors. Provided by Hynergreen from Abengoa,
the system transforms the bioethanol (BioEtOH) into high purity
hydrogen. The output feeds a series of fuel cells from UTC Power
company.»
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-80_Plus-class_submarine>
There are two built currently, but they run on standard diesels. The
third one, the S81 is scheduled to have the actual AIP, and then it
will be retrofitted on the other two.
Which means they are delayed, previously the S82 was scheduled to
have it.
They will be putting sails on the nukes next, to keep the greens happy
It has nothing to do with ecology, but with autonomy underwater and
silence.
On 2025-08-22 15:59, c186282 wrote:
On 8/22/25 6:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-22 09:30, c186282 wrote:
On 8/21/25 10:40 PM, Paul wrote:
On Thu, 8/21/2025 6:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
...
LAST one I ever saw ... weirdly, in the sonar niche
of an attack submarine. Mil systems tend to be specced
like ten or twelve years before you see actual product.
I was told a submarine history.
Someone bought a new computer, guaranteed. It was an Amstrad PC
(maybe the model with hard disk). Days later he came back to the
shop, the machine would not boot. The vendor handed over a new unit.
A few days more, the client came back with another broken machine. I
think they tried once more before the vendor started asked questions.
Where are you installing it? Well, you know, in our navy submarine
{name}. (maybe they were trying in the entire fleet of two or three
subs, or only one, dunno). The vendor quietly said that they would
not supply them with any more computers.
The computer died soon after they started the diesel engine, the
vibrations killed the computers :-D
Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit surprised
that a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be
silent, but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
The diesel is mostly to keep the batteries topped-off.
In these subs, the diesel is the main engine. They charge the battery
and then they can submerge for a while. Coastal defence is their purpose.
On 2025-08-22 09:30, c186282 wrote:
On 8/21/25 10:40 PM, Paul wrote:
On Thu, 8/21/2025 6:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I know of this because back then I read an article in a computer
magazine where they wrote a "driver" or something that multiplied
the capacity of floppies, playing with the timings. The article went
into all the gory details.
I wonder how Linux implemented the floppy routines, though. At some
point, someone had to write floppy handling code that worked on any
PC, CPU and speed.
Linux may have handled "better" floppy controller blocks than
the one in the example. Did Linux ever work with 8" floppy drives ?
Never saw that. Linux came along well after 8-inchers.
Support was likely seen as "unnecessary".
I think reading 8-inchers would require custom interface
hardware. May have once, briefly, existed but good luck
tracking down anything now.
Last box I had with 8-inchers, I just wired up a funky
serial interface to an original IBM-PC and copied the
data over that way. Somewhere I have a photo - nest of
about ten discrete wires stuck into the ports :-)
I think the hardware had advanced a bit past that point.
Even our last machine with 8" floppy in it, the staff were basically
ignoring the floppy. Back when the only thing you owned was a floppy,
it was much more important that it work. Some of our server
configurations,
seemed to boot off the floppy :-) I think the print server worked
that way.
You'd boot the floppy and you had a print server.
8-inchers LOOKED impressive ... but they didn't HOLD
very much nor were especially quick. I've still got
a few of them around ... because they look cool, not
because they're good for anything. A huge number of
people even slightly younger than I am NEVER saw an
8-inch floppy.
To paraphrase : "You call THAT a floppy ? Now THIS
is a floppy !" :-)
Hmmm ... remember the old removable-platter hard drive
units ? 99.999% haven't. They'd probably try to remove
the pak while it was still spinning :-)
No, I don't remember. Only saw them in books or movies :-)
LAST one I ever saw ... weirdly, in the sonar niche
of an attack submarine. Mil systems tend to be specced
like ten or twelve years before you see actual product.
I was told a submarine history.
Someone bought a new computer, guaranteed. It was an Amstrad PC (maybe
the model with hard disk). Days later he came back to the shop, the
machine would not boot. The vendor handed over a new unit. A few days
more, the client came back with another broken machine. I think they
tried once more before the vendor started asked questions. Where are you installing it? Well, you know, in our navy submarine {name}. (maybe they
were trying in the entire fleet of two or three subs, or only one,
dunno). The vendor quietly said that they would not supply them with any
more computers.
The computer died soon after they started the diesel engine, the
vibrations killed the computers :-D
Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit surprised that
a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be silent,
but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
Anyway, try :
https://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/s_drives_howto.html#dunfield
On 2025-08-22 20:55, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:23:39 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit surprised that >>> a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be silent,
but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
The pigboats were silent -- when they were running on batteries.
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2018/june/theres-case-diesels
Like everything else diesel engines and batteries have improved. It's
interesting a diesel boat in stealth mode is quieter than a nuke.
It takes a special breed of cat for submarines. I've never been on a
nuclear sub but I have been on a diesel that was in the Groton yard.
Besides the psychological profile I'm not built to be a submariner --
or a
tanker for that matter. I don't think there is a height limit anymore but
unless you're under 6' you do a lot of ducking.
Spain is building a new class of submarines, the S80, with
"Air-independent propulsion (AIP)".
«The S-80's air-independent propulsion (AIP) system is based on a bioethanol-processor consisting of a reaction chamber and several intermediate Coprox reactors. Provided by Hynergreen from Abengoa, the
system transforms the bioethanol (BioEtOH) into high purity hydrogen.
The output feeds a series of fuel cells from UTC Power company.»
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-80_Plus-class_submarine>
There are two built currently, but they run on standard diesels. The
third one, the S81 is scheduled to have the actual AIP, and then it will
be retrofitted on the other two.
Which means they are delayed, previously the S82 was scheduled to have it.
On 2025-08-22 23:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/08/2025 21:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-22 20:55, rbowman wrote:All sounds a bit ecosilly
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:23:39 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit surprised
that
a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be silent, >>>>> but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
The pigboats were silent -- when they were running on batteries.
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2018/june/theres-case-diesels >>>>
Like everything else diesel engines and batteries have improved. It's
interesting a diesel boat in stealth mode is quieter than a nuke.
It takes a special breed of cat for submarines. I've never been on a
nuclear sub but I have been on a diesel that was in the Groton yard.
Besides the psychological profile I'm not built to be a submariner
-- or a
tanker for that matter. I don't think there is a height limit
anymore but
unless you're under 6' you do a lot of ducking.
Spain is building a new class of submarines, the S80, with "Air-
independent propulsion (AIP)".
«The S-80's air-independent propulsion (AIP) system is based on a
bioethanol-processor consisting of a reaction chamber and several
intermediate Coprox reactors. Provided by Hynergreen from Abengoa,
the system transforms the bioethanol (BioEtOH) into high purity
hydrogen. The output feeds a series of fuel cells from UTC Power
company.»
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-80_Plus-class_submarine>
There are two built currently, but they run on standard diesels. The
third one, the S81 is scheduled to have the actual AIP, and then it
will be retrofitted on the other two.
Which means they are delayed, previously the S82 was scheduled to
have it.
They will be putting sails on the nukes next, to keep the greens happy
It has nothing to do with ecology, but with autonomy underwater and
silence.
Subs are already obsolete. Thermal and sea-height data
from sats can pinpoint them easily.
Hypersonics + AI drones ... the likely, NEAR, maybe immediate, future
of "defense". Bombers, tanks, subs,
ICBMs, carriers - just forget it ... all Yesterday's Solutions.
Subs are already obsolete. Thermal and sea-height data from sats can
pinpoint them easily.
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 04:07:36 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Hypersonics + AI drones ... the likely, NEAR, maybe immediate, future
of "defense". Bombers, tanks, subs,
ICBMs, carriers - just forget it ... all Yesterday's Solutions.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-drone-efforts-arent-going- well-neither-are-chinas-ps-082225
Maybe...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zClEHMU8W_4
The Thresher incident might have been swept under the carpet but there
were a number of civilian ride-alongs from the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard
that had worked on the project and were being rewarded.
Christa McAuliffe was also a New Hampshire teacher who was a ride-along on the Challenger. Somehow New Hampshire is suspicious of the government
bearing gifts. Or at least it was.
Maybe someday it will be a War of the Drones but ultimately it will be
boots on the ground as it has been for millennia.
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 04:13:14 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Subs are already obsolete. Thermal and sea-height data from sats can
pinpoint them easily.
Thus the attempt to find a technology with a much lower thermal signature than a nuke.
On Thu, 8/21/2025 6:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I wonder how Linux implemented the floppy routines, though.
At some point, someone had to write floppy handling code that
worked on any PC, CPU and speed.
Linux may have handled "better" floppy controller blocks than
the one in the example. Did Linux ever work with 8" floppy drives ?
Hypersonics + AI drones ... the likely, NEAR, maybe immediate, future
of "defense". Bombers, tanks, subs,
ICBMs, carriers - just forget it ... all Yesterday's Solutions.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-drone-efforts-arent-going- well-neither-are-chinas-ps-082225
Maybe...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zClEHMU8W_4
The Thresher incident might have been swept under the carpet but there
were a number of civilian ride-alongs from the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard
that had worked on the project and were being rewarded.
Christa McAuliffe was also a New Hampshire teacher who was a ride-along on the Challenger. Somehow New Hampshire is suspicious of the government
bearing gifts. Or at least it was.
Maybe someday it will be a War of the Drones but ultimately it will be
boots on the ground as it has been for millennia.
That is why they run on batteries or did when I learnedabout
them in the USN. Movie about it "Run Silent. Run Deep". Noisy deisel engines were a dead giveaway to submarine hunters on all sides
Drone boots on the ground may do just as well. Robocop with a real human
100 miles away is not far off
- tanks do not to well to take and hold urban and suburban areas
because civialian/reserve/guerillas have agility
- tanks do well in open farmland, but if forces are close to evenly
matched, the game shifts to who has or can ret (by resupply) the most
ammunition
On 23/08/2025 09:13, c186282 wrote:
Subs are already obsolete. Thermal and sea-height data
from sats can pinpoint them easily.
Simply not true.
If they are slow and deep enough.
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 20:11:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Drone boots on the ground may do just as well. Robocop with a real human
100 miles away is not far off
Like the mechanized infantry that might work well in Kansas. In mountain warfare I think they would rapidly be reduced to spare parts.
q.v. Afghanistan. Modern warfare doesn't do well against hillbillies.
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 21:15:29 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
- tanks do not to well to take and hold urban and suburban areas
because civialian/reserve/guerillas have agility
- tanks do well in open farmland, but if forces are close to evenly
matched, the game shifts to who has or can ret (by resupply) the most
ammunition
You have to know how to fight tanks. They require a long logistical tail
to keep them running and infantry support as well as running in packs. The T-34 wasn't the most advanced design but when you have about 80,000 of them...
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 04:07:36 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Hypersonics + AI drones ... the likely, NEAR, maybe immediate, future >>> of "defense". Bombers, tanks, subs,
ICBMs, carriers - just forget it ... all Yesterday's Solutions.
On 2025-08-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-drone-efforts-arent-going-
well-neither-are-chinas-ps-082225
Maybe...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zClEHMU8W_4
The Thresher incident might have been swept under the carpet but there
were a number of civilian ride-alongs from the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard
that had worked on the project and were being rewarded.
Christa McAuliffe was also a New Hampshire teacher who was a ride-along on >> the Challenger. Somehow New Hampshire is suspicious of the government
bearing gifts. Or at least it was.
Maybe someday it will be a War of the Drones but ultimately it will be
boots on the ground as it has been for millennia.
What I see in the Ukraine reports is that
- tanks do not to well to take and hold urban and suburban areas
because civialian/reserve/guerillas have agility
- tanks do well in open farmland,
but if forces are close to evenlyAnd that is why Ukraine is winning. They don't have the men on the
matched, the game shifts to who has or can ret (by resupply) the most
ammunition
- smart and well-trained boots on the ground of their homeland can
inflict heavy losses on poorly trained invaders
- drones are fairly cheap and effective. A "good" drone can be like a
"cheap cruise missile". But again, the depth of manufacturing power
becomes the deciding factor.
The Ukraine war - like the Spanish Civil War - has become a proving
ground for the newest battlefield tech.
On 2025-08-22, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 8/21/2025 6:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I wonder how Linux implemented the floppy routines, though.
At some point, someone had to write floppy handling code that
worked on any PC, CPU and speed.
AIUI, the fallback was use the BIOS driver, which would obviously be
matched to the actual hardware.
On 2025-08-22 04:40, Paul wrote:
Linux may have handled "better" floppy controller blocks than
the one in the example. Did Linux ever work with 8" floppy drives ?
Yes, but maybe only through the BIOS drivers. Which was also how Windows handled it.
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 23:29:31 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
That is why they run on batteries or did when I learnedabout
them in the USN. Movie about it "Run Silent. Run Deep". Noisy deisel
engines were a dead giveaway to submarine hunters on all sides
To say nothing of having to run surfaced or at snorkel depth. I don't
think I'd want to be parked on the bottom hoping the hunters gave up
before the batteries and oxygen ran out.
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 20:11:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Well modern warfare that relies on wheels or tracks.
Drone boots on the ground may do just as well. Robocop with a real human
100 miles away is not far off
Like the mechanized infantry that might work well in Kansas. In mountain warfare I think they would rapidly be reduced to spare parts.
q.v. Afghanistan. Modern warfare doesn't do well against hillbillies.
On 8/24/25 12:05 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 20:11:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Drone boots on the ground may do just as well. Robocop with a real human >>> 100 miles away is not far off
Like the mechanized infantry that might work well in Kansas. In mountain
warfare I think they would rapidly be reduced to spare parts.
Well, THIS year ......
q.v. Afghanistan. Modern warfare doesn't do well against hillbillies.
Mass dispersion of reactor waste WILL ...
On 2025-08-22, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 8/21/2025 6:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I wonder how Linux implemented the floppy routines, though.
At some point, someone had to write floppy handling code that
worked on any PC, CPU and speed.
AIUI, the fallback was use the BIOS driver, which would obviously be
matched to the actual hardware.
On 2025-08-22 04:40, Paul wrote:
Linux may have handled "better" floppy controller blocks than
the one in the example. Did Linux ever work with 8" floppy drives ?
Yes, but maybe only through the BIOS drivers. Which was also how Windows handled it.
On 23/08/2025 20:04, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 04:07:36 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Hypersonics + AI drones ... the likely, NEAR, maybe immediate,
future
of "defense". Bombers, tanks, subs,
ICBMs, carriers - just forget it ... all Yesterday's Solutions.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-drone-efforts-arent-going-
well-neither-are-chinas-ps-082225
Maybe...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zClEHMU8W_4
The Thresher incident might have been swept under the carpet but there
were a number of civilian ride-alongs from the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard
that had worked on the project and were being rewarded.
Christa McAuliffe was also a New Hampshire teacher who was a ride-
along on
the Challenger. Somehow New Hampshire is suspicious of the government
bearing gifts. Or at least it was.
Maybe someday it will be a War of the Drones but ultimately it will be
boots on the ground as it has been for millennia.
I am not so sure.
Drone boots on the ground may do just as well. Robocop with a real human
100 miles away is not far off
On 8/22/25 2:50 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-22 15:59, c186282 wrote:
On 8/22/25 6:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-22 09:30, c186282 wrote:
On 8/21/25 10:40 PM, Paul wrote:
On Thu, 8/21/2025 6:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
...
LAST one I ever saw ... weirdly, in the sonar niche
of an attack submarine. Mil systems tend to be specced
like ten or twelve years before you see actual product.
I was told a submarine history.
Someone bought a new computer, guaranteed. It was an Amstrad PC
(maybe the model with hard disk). Days later he came back to the
shop, the machine would not boot. The vendor handed over a new unit.
A few days more, the client came back with another broken machine. I
think they tried once more before the vendor started asked
questions. Where are you installing it? Well, you know, in our navy
submarine {name}. (maybe they were trying in the entire fleet of two
or three subs, or only one, dunno). The vendor quietly said that
they would not supply them with any more computers.
The computer died soon after they started the diesel engine, the
vibrations killed the computers :-D
Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit surprised
that a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be
silent, but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
The diesel is mostly to keep the batteries topped-off.
In these subs, the diesel is the main engine. They charge the battery
and then they can submerge for a while. Coastal defence is their purpose.
Now, yes.
Before, they were the Main Force.
But they didn't want to spend a lot of time on
the surface. This became more critical with the
advent of sat surveillance. Strictly you want
to come up only every 3-6 months, and near a base.
Only nuke gets you there.
DO have doubts about the story of the diesel engines
shaking-apart the computers. Subs are HEAVY and, being
in the water, well damped.
The sub I toured ... I *think* the computer was DEC,
but they'd actually removed any nameplates/numbers
for security reasons. DO remember the removable-
platter drive though. Only a few still in use in
the early 80s, plenty at NASA, but they disappeared
real fast.
NASA *did* have some versions where all the
read/write heads were INDEPENDENT ... didn't
move all together. Surely facilitated rapid
multi-user stuff. Persons/teams basically got
their very own HDD. Also surely totally custom
hardware. Was fun to watch the little arms
move in and out.
Now I *did* see a dink try to remove the disc
pack before it stopped spinning - hilarious
results ! There was supposed to be a lock
kind of like on a washing-machine lid, but
after awhile it might not work :-)
On 8/22/25 4:59 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-22 20:55, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:23:39 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Not knowing much about actual subs in our navy, I'm a bit surprised
that
a diesel sub vibrates so much, though. Subs are supposed to be silent, >>>> but perhaps they aren't when they run the old diesel.
The pigboats were silent -- when they were running on batteries.
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2018/june/theres-case-diesels >>>
Like everything else diesel engines and batteries have improved. It's
interesting a diesel boat in stealth mode is quieter than a nuke.
It takes a special breed of cat for submarines. I've never been on a
nuclear sub but I have been on a diesel that was in the Groton yard.
Besides the psychological profile I'm not built to be a submariner --
or a
tanker for that matter. I don't think there is a height limit anymore
but
unless you're under 6' you do a lot of ducking.
Spain is building a new class of submarines, the S80, with "Air-
independent propulsion (AIP)".
«The S-80's air-independent propulsion (AIP) system is based on a
bioethanol-processor consisting of a reaction chamber and several
intermediate Coprox reactors. Provided by Hynergreen from Abengoa, the
system transforms the bioethanol (BioEtOH) into high purity hydrogen.
The output feeds a series of fuel cells from UTC Power company.»
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-80_Plus-class_submarine>
AAAAUUUGGHH !!! ... I'll have to study on all that
promo-tech gibberish ! :-)
There are two built currently, but they run on standard diesels. The
third one, the S81 is scheduled to have the actual AIP, and then it
will be retrofitted on the other two.
Um, yea ... let's wait and see .....
Which means they are delayed, previously the S82 was scheduled to have
it.
Submarines these days - it's nuke or Not Worth It.
BTW, high-rez thermal and 3-D, even deep subs CAN be
tracked by satellites. They MAY be at the end of their
practical utility.
Hypersonics + AI drones ... the likely, NEAR, maybe
immediate, future of "defense". Bombers, tanks, subs,
ICBMs, carriers - just forget it ... all Yesterday's
Solutions.
Studied any history ... know where the term "Lost
Generation" appeared ? It was because as WW-1
started the old fat Brit generals decided to solve
the little German Problem with mass troop/calvary
charges, the honorable Olde-Tyme solution to
everything. UNFURL THE FLAG and CHARGE !!!
Alas, the Germans had interlinked machine-gun
nests, artillery, mortars ... it was a gigantic
slaughter. The generals KEPT UP with the old
fix for a rather long time. A million, maybe
two, all DEAD on the field to no effect.
THIS is kind of where the USA/West is now. We've
missed the boat. Expect yesterday's solutions
to fix tomorrow's military problems. The Chinese
and Russians and N.Koreans KNOW BETTER - and will
just SLAUGHTER us en-masse. No nukes required.
Yea yea yea ... old generals and admirals LOVE
the idea of massed troops snapping to attention,
big big assets. All can be vaporized almost
instantly by modern methods.
Just sayin'
COPE, ADAPT - or DIE.
That's how it works.
On 2025-08-23 23:21, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-08-22, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 8/21/2025 6:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I wonder how Linux implemented the floppy routines, though.
At some point, someone had to write floppy handling code that
worked on any PC, CPU and speed.
AIUI, the fallback was use the BIOS driver, which would obviously be
matched to the actual hardware.
Not really, because many people built their own computer from pieces. I
did, and the floppy worked (well past year 2000).
On 2025-08-22 04:40, Paul wrote:
Linux may have handled "better" floppy controller blocks than
the one in the example. Did Linux ever work with 8" floppy drives ?
Yes, but maybe only through the BIOS drivers. Which was also how Windows
handled it.
On 2025-08-23 21:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/08/2025 20:04, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 04:07:36 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Hypersonics + AI drones ... the likely, NEAR, maybe immediate,https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-drone-efforts-arent-going- >>> well-neither-are-chinas-ps-082225
future
of "defense". Bombers, tanks, subs,
ICBMs, carriers - just forget it ... all Yesterday's Solutions. >>>
Maybe...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zClEHMU8W_4
The Thresher incident might have been swept under the carpet but there
were a number of civilian ride-alongs from the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard >>> that had worked on the project and were being rewarded.
Christa McAuliffe was also a New Hampshire teacher who was a ride-
along on
the Challenger. Somehow New Hampshire is suspicious of the government
bearing gifts. Or at least it was.
Maybe someday it will be a War of the Drones but ultimately it will be
boots on the ground as it has been for millennia.
I am not so sure.
Drone boots on the ground may do just as well. Robocop with a real
human 100 miles away is not far off
It is already a war of the drones in Ukraine.
The Ukrainians know.
On 24/08/2025 14:14, Carlos E.R. wrote:
It is already a war of the drones in Ukraine.
Just think. All those eejits wasting their lives playing 'call of duty'
might be of some use, after all...
On 2025-08-23 06:34, c186282 wrote:
NASA *did* have some versions where all the
read/write heads were INDEPENDENT ... didn't
move all together. Surely facilitated rapid
multi-user stuff. Persons/teams basically got
their very own HDD. Also surely totally custom
hardware. Was fun to watch the little arms
move in and out.
Wow. They existed. I have been saying for many years that
hard disks on PCs should do that. It is the obvious advancement.
Now I *did* see a dink try to remove the disc
pack before it stopped spinning - hilarious
results ! There was supposed to be a lock
kind of like on a washing-machine lid, but
after awhile it might not work :-)
Uff. Possibly the thing was destroyed.
On 24/08/2025 05:16, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 21:15:29 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
- tanks do not to well to take and hold urban and suburban areas
because civialian/reserve/guerillas have agility
- tanks do well in open farmland, but if forces are close to evenly
matched, the game shifts to who has or can ret (by resupply) the
most ammunition
You have to know how to fight tanks. They require a long logistical
tail to keep them running and infantry support as well as running in
packs. The T-34 wasn't the most advanced design but when you have about
80,000 of them...
You pick them off one at a time..
And that is why Ukraine is winning. They don't have the men on the
ground but the quantity or long range fires they now have is
dismantling Russia refinery by railway by bridge by ammunition factory.
On 2025-08-24, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-08-23 06:34, c186282 wrote:
NASA *did* have some versions where all the
read/write heads were INDEPENDENT ... didn't
move all together. Surely facilitated rapid
multi-user stuff. Persons/teams basically got
their very own HDD. Also surely totally custom
hardware. Was fun to watch the little arms
move in and out.
Wow. They existed. I have been saying for many years that
hard disks on PCs should do that. It is the obvious advancement.
Too much cost for too little benefit, I suspect.
The Univac drives I worked with had an option where
you could add fixed heads for a few heavily-used
tracks, but I never saw them in real life.
Again, cost vs. benefit...
Now I *did* see a dink try to remove the disc
pack before it stopped spinning - hilarious
results ! There was supposed to be a lock
kind of like on a washing-machine lid, but
after awhile it might not work :-)
Uff. Possibly the thing was destroyed.
I've heard of people having a rag that they would
mash down on top of the spinning disk to bring it
to a stop. (Presumably the drive's built-in braking,
whether mechanical or electrodynamic, was broken.)
One winter night I went to a customer shop with a pack
that had been sitting in the back of my car long enough
to be thoroughly cold-soaked. When I mounted it on
the drive I noticed that the platters were covered
with condensation. I knew better than to try to
bring up the drive with the pack in that state, but
I didn't want to wait all night for it to warm up
and dry. I found and disabled the interlocks that
prevented the drive from spinning up with the lid
open, got the disk spinning, and hit the "off" button
before the heads tried to load. With the interlocks
disabled, the pack slowly spun down (the dynamic
braking was disabled as well). After several cycles,
the pack was warm and dry, and it loaded successfully.
On 23/08/2025 22:15, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 04:07:36 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 2025-08-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:Hypersonics + AI drones ... the likely, NEAR, maybe immediate,
future
of "defense". Bombers, tanks, subs,
ICBMs, carriers - just forget it ... all Yesterday's Solutions. >>
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-drone-efforts-arent-
going-
well-neither-are-chinas-ps-082225
Maybe...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zClEHMU8W_4
The Thresher incident might have been swept under the carpet but there
were a number of civilian ride-alongs from the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard >>> that had worked on the project and were being rewarded.
Christa McAuliffe was also a New Hampshire teacher who was a ride-
along on
the Challenger. Somehow New Hampshire is suspicious of the government
bearing gifts. Or at least it was.
Maybe someday it will be a War of the Drones but ultimately it will be
boots on the ground as it has been for millennia.
What I see in the Ukraine reports is that
- tanks do not to well to take and hold urban and suburban areas
because civialian/reserve/guerillas have agility
Tanks do not do well at all. A drone can easily take out a tank -
especially a Soviet era tank
- tanks do well in open farmland,
Not if its littered with mines. Or if there is any kind of anti tank
weaponry on the other side. Hand held anti-tank munitions, drones, mines...the Ukrainians do better with the Bradleys - fast manoeuvrable
and with care the cannon can disable a tanks eyes and ears...and
infantry can be deployed.
but if forces are close to evenlyAnd that is why Ukraine is winning. They don't have the men on the
matched, the game shifts to who has or can ret (by resupply) the most >> ammunition
ground but the quantity or long range fires they now have is
dismantling Russia refinery by railway by bridge by ammunition factory.
Water, gasoline, electricity - these are now all very scarce indeed, Inflation is rampant and bank accounts are closed.
- smart and well-trained boots on the ground of their homeland can
inflict heavy losses on poorly trained invaders
That is the equation. Let Russia come, and take 5:1 casualties in
exchange fir a few villages that have been shelled to ruins already,
while spending all the time sniping away with long range drones and
missiles.
Ukraine isn't winning ground, but that's not where the war is. It's
winning the battle of the supply lines.
Spain has a tradition of over using boats and ships well beyond their retirement age :-(
On 24/08/2025 14:18, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-23 23:21, Lars Poulsen wrote:The bios matched the Mobo hardware - the chip driver
On 2025-08-22, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 8/21/2025 6:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I wonder how Linux implemented the floppy routines, though.
At some point, someone had to write floppy handling code that
worked on any PC, CPU and speed.
AIUI, the fallback was use the BIOS driver, which would obviously be
matched to the actual hardware.
Not really, because many people built their own computer from pieces.
I did, and the floppy worked (well past year 2000).
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 15:05:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Spain has a tradition of over using boats and ships well beyond their
retirement age :-(
The B-52 is old enough to get Social Security but it recently received
word it needs to soldier on until 2050.
On 2025-08-24 23:32, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 15:05:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Spain has a tradition of over using boats and ships well beyond their
retirement age :-(
The B-52 is old enough to get Social Security but it recently received
word it needs to soldier on until 2050.
I heard. Got new and cool engines, too. Using less gas.
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 11:17:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And that is why Ukraine is winning. They don't have the men on the
ground but the quantity or long range fires they now have is
dismantling Russia refinery by railway by bridge by ammunition factory.
Hold that thought.
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 15:05:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Spain has a tradition of over using boats and ships well beyond their
retirement age :-(
The B-52 is old enough to get Social Security but it recently received
word it needs to soldier on until 2050.
On 2025-08-24 12:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/08/2025 22:15, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 04:07:36 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 2025-08-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:Hypersonics + AI drones ... the likely, NEAR, maybe immediate, >>>>> future
of "defense". Bombers, tanks, subs,
ICBMs, carriers - just forget it ... all Yesterday's Solutions. >>>
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-drone-efforts-arent-
going-
well-neither-are-chinas-ps-082225
Maybe...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zClEHMU8W_4
The Thresher incident might have been swept under the carpet but there >>>> were a number of civilian ride-alongs from the Portsmouth Naval
Shipyard
that had worked on the project and were being rewarded.
Christa McAuliffe was also a New Hampshire teacher who was a ride-
along on
the Challenger. Somehow New Hampshire is suspicious of the government
bearing gifts. Or at least it was.
Maybe someday it will be a War of the Drones but ultimately it will be >>>> boots on the ground as it has been for millennia.
What I see in the Ukraine reports is that
- tanks do not to well to take and hold urban and suburban areas
because civialian/reserve/guerillas have agility
Tanks do not do well at all. A drone can easily take out a tank -
especially a Soviet era tank
- tanks do well in open farmland,
Not if its littered with mines. Or if there is any kind of anti tank
weaponry on the other side. Hand held anti-tank munitions, drones,
mines...the Ukrainians do better with the Bradleys - fast
manoeuvrable and with care the cannon can disable a tanks eyes and
ears...and infantry can be deployed.
but if forces are close to evenlyAnd that is why Ukraine is winning. They don't have the men on the
matched, the game shifts to who has or can ret (by resupply) the most >>> ammunition
ground but the quantity or long range fires they now have is
dismantling Russia refinery by railway by bridge by ammunition factory.
Water, gasoline, electricity - these are now all very scarce indeed,
Inflation is rampant and bank accounts are closed.
- smart and well-trained boots on the ground of their homeland can
inflict heavy losses on poorly trained invaders
That is the equation. Let Russia come, and take 5:1 casualties in
exchange fir a few villages that have been shelled to ruins already,
while spending all the time sniping away with long range drones and
missiles.
Ukraine isn't winning ground, but that's not where the war is. It's
winning the battle of the supply lines.
The problem is Trump.
On 24/08/2025 22:29, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-24 12:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Actually, I think that he is less and less a problem.
On 23/08/2025 22:15, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 04:07:36 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 2025-08-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:Hypersonics + AI drones ... the likely, NEAR, maybe immediate, >>>>>> future
of "defense". Bombers, tanks, subs,
ICBMs, carriers - just forget it ... all Yesterday's Solutions. >>>>
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-drone-efforts-arent-
going-
well-neither-are-chinas-ps-082225
Maybe...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zClEHMU8W_4
The Thresher incident might have been swept under the carpet but there >>>>> were a number of civilian ride-alongs from the Portsmouth Naval
Shipyard
that had worked on the project and were being rewarded.
Christa McAuliffe was also a New Hampshire teacher who was a ride-
along on
the Challenger. Somehow New Hampshire is suspicious of the government >>>>> bearing gifts. Or at least it was.
Maybe someday it will be a War of the Drones but ultimately it will be >>>>> boots on the ground as it has been for millennia.
What I see in the Ukraine reports is that
- tanks do not to well to take and hold urban and suburban areas
because civialian/reserve/guerillas have agility
Tanks do not do well at all. A drone can easily take out a tank -
especially a Soviet era tank
- tanks do well in open farmland,
Not if its littered with mines. Or if there is any kind of anti tank
weaponry on the other side. Hand held anti-tank munitions, drones,
mines...the Ukrainians do better with the Bradleys - fast
manoeuvrable and with care the cannon can disable a tanks eyes and
ears...and infantry can be deployed.
but if forces are close to evenlyAnd that is why Ukraine is winning. They don't have the men on the
matched, the game shifts to who has or can ret (by resupply) the
most
ammunition
ground but the quantity or long range fires they now have is
dismantling Russia refinery by railway by bridge by ammunition factory.
Water, gasoline, electricity - these are now all very scarce indeed,
Inflation is rampant and bank accounts are closed.
- smart and well-trained boots on the ground of their homeland can
inflict heavy losses on poorly trained invaders
That is the equation. Let Russia come, and take 5:1 casualties in
exchange fir a few villages that have been shelled to ruins already,
while spending all the time sniping away with long range drones and
missiles.
Ukraine isn't winning ground, but that's not where the war is. It's
winning the battle of the supply lines.
The problem is Trump.
Having shaken up the arms supply industry on account of not letting US
made weapons or components thereof fall on Russian soil, basically
European nations have said 'OK, then let's help Ukraine build its *own* missiles'.
The latest Ukrainian Flamingo missile bears a remarkable resemblance to
one made by IIRC a British company. 2000 mile range, jet powered cruise missile. With a one ton warhead and a circular accuracy of 35 metres.
They already make their own 'shahed' style drones capable of doing
extreme unpleasantness to oil refineries.
Trump we now understand is a senile old blowhard who likes nothing more
than flattery which costs is nothing, except cash in his bank account.
Meanwhile we get on with life without America, which is much simpler.
Trump has no cards left to play.
On 2025-08-25 12:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The latest Ukrainian Flamingo missile bears a remarkable resemblance
to one made by IIRC a British company. 2000 mile range, jet powered
cruise missile. With a one ton warhead and a circular accuracy of 35
metres.
Yes, I read about that.
They already make their own 'shahed' style drones capable of doing
extreme unpleasantness to oil refineries.
Trump we now understand is a senile old blowhard who likes nothing
more than flattery which costs is nothing, except cash in his bank
account.
Meanwhile we get on with life without America, which is much simpler.
Trump has no cards left to play.
He may try to force a peace treaty favouring Putin instead of reality.
On 25/08/2025 12:36, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-25 12:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
He can try, but he has no cards left to play.The latest Ukrainian Flamingo missile bears a remarkable resemblance
to one made by IIRC a British company. 2000 mile range, jet powered
cruise missile. With a one ton warhead and a circular accuracy of 35
metres.
Yes, I read about that.
They already make their own 'shahed' style drones capable of doing
extreme unpleasantness to oil refineries.
Trump we now understand is a senile old blowhard who likes nothing
more than flattery which costs is nothing, except cash in his bank
account.
Meanwhile we get on with life without America, which is much simpler.
Trump has no cards left to play.
He may try to force a peace treaty favouring Putin instead of reality.
Short of flooding Russia with US weapons and lifting all sanctions.
Ukraine isn't quite able to stand on its own two feet but it's close,
and the Eastern European nations are scared shitless of going back under
the Russian jackboot and will give all the assistance they can.
Germany France, UK, and Sweden and others see it as a good opportunity
to gain access to Ukrainian high tech at a limited cost by supplying knowledge and training.
But the momentum isn't coming from the EU, or even national governments,
but from NATO forces and individual companies. And in fact even
individuals - the US commentator Jake Broe raises millions for trucks
and equipment to be sent to Ukraine by 'crowd funding'.
Politicians love to think they are the only important people in the
world, but mostly they are a bunch of incompetent assholes.
Russia likes to claim its big, but its GDP is nowhere near the size of
the UK, France or Germany. It really is a tinpot little shithole oil
state in an enormous empty arse.
And strip it of Georgia and Azerbaijan and it's even smaller.
And its running out of food, gas, money, refining capacity, export
pipelines, men to send to die and its stock of Soviet era tanks.
Iran is also teetering on the edge of regime change. BIG demonstrations
in Tehran and Shiraz.
No. Enough good people can make politicians efforts irrelevant.
The UK is breaking out in a display of George Cross and Union Jack flags
in response to Left wing councils having strung up Gaza/Palestine flags. People don't want to be confrontational but to remind government where
the real people stand.
I think the realisation is finally dawning of just how useless
politicians are, and a feeling that its time to get rid of as many of
them as possible, is kinda sweeping across the world. When Russia goes
down I think you may well be surprised at how many apparently unrelated organisations collapse as well.
On 24/08/2025 20:21, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 11:17:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And that is why Ukraine is winning. They don't have the men on the
ground but the quantity or long range fires they now have is
dismantling Russia refinery by railway by bridge by ammunition
factory.
Hold that thought.
Don't have to - it's on the news every day.
On 2025-08-25 12:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Trump has no cards left to play.
He may try to force a peace treaty favouring Putin instead of reality.
On 2025-08-25 14:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/08/2025 12:36, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-25 12:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:He can try, but he has no cards left to play.
The latest Ukrainian Flamingo missile bears a remarkable resemblance
to one made by IIRC a British company. 2000 mile range, jet powered
cruise missile. With a one ton warhead and a circular accuracy of 35
metres.
Yes, I read about that.
They already make their own 'shahed' style drones capable of doing
extreme unpleasantness to oil refineries.
Trump we now understand is a senile old blowhard who likes nothing
more than flattery which costs is nothing, except cash in his bank
account.
Meanwhile we get on with life without America, which is much simpler.
Trump has no cards left to play.
He may try to force a peace treaty favouring Putin instead of reality.
Short of flooding Russia with US weapons and lifting all sanctions.
Ukraine isn't quite able to stand on its own two feet but it's close,
and the Eastern European nations are scared shitless of going back
under the Russian jackboot and will give all the assistance they can.
Poland's new president may try to get out.
On 2025-08-25, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-08-25 12:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Trump has no cards left to play.
He may try to force a peace treaty favouring Putin instead of reality.
Trump _really_ wants a Nobel Peace Prize. If he succeeds in cowing
the committee to give him one, I hope many previous recipients
hand them back in as a protest of it being totally devalued.
On 8/25/25 8:34 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-25 14:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/08/2025 12:36, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-25 12:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:He can try, but he has no cards left to play.
The latest Ukrainian Flamingo missile bears a remarkable
resemblance to one made by IIRC a British company. 2000 mile range,
jet powered cruise missile. With a one ton warhead and a circular
accuracy of 35 metres.
Yes, I read about that.
They already make their own 'shahed' style drones capable of doing
extreme unpleasantness to oil refineries.
Trump we now understand is a senile old blowhard who likes nothing
more than flattery which costs is nothing, except cash in his bank
account.
Meanwhile we get on with life without America, which is much simpler. >>>>>
Trump has no cards left to play.
He may try to force a peace treaty favouring Putin instead of reality. >>>>
Short of flooding Russia with US weapons and lifting all sanctions.
Ukraine isn't quite able to stand on its own two feet but it's close,
and the Eastern European nations are scared shitless of going back
under the Russian jackboot and will give all the assistance they can.
Poland's new president may try to get out.
None of the Euros have much MONEY anymore. China
usurped the manufacturing/trade they THOUGHT they
would have 25 years ago.
On 26/08/2025 05:23, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-08-25, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:Worrying signs that he is about to die are being reported by those who admittedly would clap their hands and cheer if he did.
On 2025-08-25 12:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Trump has no cards left to play.
He may try to force a peace treaty favouring Putin instead of reality.
Trump _really_ wants a Nobel Peace Prize. If he succeeds in cowing
the committee to give him one, I hope many previous recipients
hand them back in as a protest of it being totally devalued.
On 26/08/2025 08:51, c186282 wrote:
On 8/25/25 8:34 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-25 14:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/08/2025 12:36, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-25 12:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:He can try, but he has no cards left to play.
The latest Ukrainian Flamingo missile bears a remarkable
resemblance to one made by IIRC a British company. 2000 mile
range, jet powered cruise missile. With a one ton warhead and a
circular accuracy of 35 metres.
Yes, I read about that.
They already make their own 'shahed' style drones capable of doing >>>>>> extreme unpleasantness to oil refineries.
Trump we now understand is a senile old blowhard who likes nothing >>>>>> more than flattery which costs is nothing, except cash in his bank >>>>>> account.
Meanwhile we get on with life without America, which is much simpler. >>>>>>
Trump has no cards left to play.
He may try to force a peace treaty favouring Putin instead of reality. >>>>>
Short of flooding Russia with US weapons and lifting all sanctions.
Ukraine isn't quite able to stand on its own two feet but it's
close, and the Eastern European nations are scared shitless of going
back under the Russian jackboot and will give all the assistance
they can.
Poland's new president may try to get out.
None of the Euros have much MONEY anymore. China
usurped the manufacturing/trade they THOUGHT they
would have 25 years ago.
They have plenty to spend on 'windmills' and 'social projects'
On 8/26/25 5:36 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/08/2025 08:51, c186282 wrote:
On 8/25/25 8:34 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-25 14:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/08/2025 12:36, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-25 12:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The latest Ukrainian Flamingo missile bears a remarkable
resemblance to one made by IIRC a British company. 2000 mile
range, jet powered cruise missile. With a one ton warhead and a
circular accuracy of 35 metres.
Yes, I read about that.
They already make their own 'shahed' style drones capable of
doing extreme unpleasantness to oil refineries.
Trump we now understand is a senile old blowhard who likes
nothing more than flattery which costs is nothing, except cash in >>>>>>> his bank account.
Meanwhile we get on with life without America, which is much
simpler.
He can try, but he has no cards left to play.
Trump has no cards left to play.
He may try to force a peace treaty favouring Putin instead of
reality.
Short of flooding Russia with US weapons and lifting all sanctions.
Ukraine isn't quite able to stand on its own two feet but it's
close, and the Eastern European nations are scared shitless of
going back under the Russian jackboot and will give all the
assistance they can.
Poland's new president may try to get out.
None of the Euros have much MONEY anymore. China
usurped the manufacturing/trade they THOUGHT they
would have 25 years ago.
They have plenty to spend on 'windmills' and 'social projects'
Yea, but there's NOTHING LEFT afterwards.
Probably in-hoc for the windmills ...
Since the Wind Turbines are producing lots of electricalROFLMAO.
power they will have that.
` And the Socilal Projects seem to produce more peaceful
and happier citizens which the USA has trouble with.
Or did you think that all those mass shooting in the USA
were done by happy citizens. Our American Dream has been
undermined by materialism and empire building then Trump
and the billionaires decided to make it pay them more for
being rich already. In Californria we have Turbines making
a substantial amount of the power we use and if we could
pull the homes we should have built 25 or 30 years agot
out of the behinds of the billionaires we would be much
more comfortable without the houseless having to live on
our streets. California is trying to do something about that
at least.
On 2025-08-25, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-08-25 12:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Trump has no cards left to play.
He may try to force a peace treaty favouring Putin instead of reality.
Trump _really_ wants a Nobel Peace Prize. If he succeeds in cowing the committee to give him one, I hope many previous recipients hand them
back in as a protest of it being totally devalued.
Anyway, if he DOES facilitate some kind of 'peace'
in Ukraine maybe he deserves The Prize. The break in Iran/Israel
hostilities was pretty good too.
On 26/08/2025 05:23, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-08-25, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:Worrying signs that he is about to die are being reported by those who admittedly would clap their hands and cheer if he did.
On 2025-08-25 12:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Trump has no cards left to play.
He may try to force a peace treaty favouring Putin instead of reality.
Trump _really_ wants a Nobel Peace Prize. If he succeeds in cowing the
committee to give him one, I hope many previous recipients hand them
back in as a protest of it being totally devalued.
Anyway, if he DOES facilitate some kind of 'peace'
in Ukraine maybe he deserves The Prize. The break in Iran/Israel
hostilities was pretty good too.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 10:34:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/08/2025 05:23, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-08-25, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:Worrying signs that he is about to die are being reported by those who
On 2025-08-25 12:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Trump has no cards left to play.
He may try to force a peace treaty favouring Putin instead of reality.
Trump _really_ wants a Nobel Peace Prize. If he succeeds in cowing the
committee to give him one, I hope many previous recipients hand them
back in as a protest of it being totally devalued.
admittedly would clap their hands and cheer if he did.
'Those' who hid a dementia victim for years?
I do have to admit I don't
think many on either side of the fence would clap if Cackles found herself even further over her head.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 06:07:17 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Anyway, if he DOES facilitate some kind of 'peace'
in Ukraine maybe he deserves The Prize. The break in Iran/Israel
hostilities was pretty good too.
Yeah, but continue support of Netanyahu offsets any good he did. I see
where his father-in-law is throwing a hissy fit because France isn't sufficiently philosemitic.
On 26/08/2025 16:29, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Since the Wind Turbines are producing lots of electricalROFLMAO.
power they will have that.
When they aren't priducing none when the wind doesn't blow, or producing
so much we have to pay them to shut down
` And the Socilal Projects seem to produce more peaceful
and happier citizens which the USA has trouble with.
Or did you think that all those mass shooting in the USA
were done by happy citizens. Our American Dream has been
undermined by materialism and empire building then Trump
and the billionaires decided to make it pay them more for
being rich already. In Californria we have Turbines making
a substantial amount of the power we use and if we could
pull the homes we should have built 25 or 30 years agot
out of the behinds of the billionaires we would be much
more comfortable without the houseless having to live on
our streets. California is trying to do something about that
at least.
I guess you haven't been to Malm recently
All that wonderful social engineering simply means hordes of criminals without jobs are taking over nice middle class burbs.
--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."
George Santayana
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:39:35 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 26/08/2025 16:29, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Since the Wind Turbines are producing lots of electricalROFLMAO.
power they will have that.
When they aren't priducing none when the wind doesn't blow, or producing
so much we have to pay them to shut down
` And the Socilal Projects seem to produce more peaceful
and happier citizens which the USA has trouble with.
Or did you think that all those mass shooting in the USA
were done by happy citizens. Our American Dream has been
undermined by materialism and empire building then Trump
and the billionaires decided to make it pay them more for
being rich already. In Californria we have Turbines making
a substantial amount of the power we use and if we could
pull the homes we should have built 25 or 30 years agot
out of the behinds of the billionaires we would be much
more comfortable without the houseless having to live on
our streets. California is trying to do something about that
at least.
I guess you haven't been to Malmö recently
All that wonderful social engineering simply means hordes of criminals
without jobs are taking over nice middle class burbs.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."
George Santayana
OT Much?
fu bin bucket
A shooter opened fire Wednesday morning during Mass at a Minneapolis Catholic school, killing two childrenthe
and injuring 17 other people before killing himself, officials said. Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said the shooter — armed with a rifle, shotgun and pistol —
approached the side of the church and shot through the windows toward
children sitting in the pews during Mass at the Annunciation CatholicSchool.
On 8/27/25 08:53, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:39:35 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 26/08/2025 16:29, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
I guess you haven't been to Malmö recently
No I have not being poor, old and fragile.>>
All that wonderful social engineering simply means hordes of criminals
without jobs are taking over nice middle class burbs.
References please as we are used to Lying claims about people that
the President of the USA thinks of a useless eaters. He keeps inventing crime waves that do not exist in cities that are run by Democratic or black mayors. He ignores the real murder capitals in cities that are Republican strongholds.
On 2025-08-27 21:52, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 8/27/25 08:53, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:39:35 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 26/08/2025 16:29, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
...
I guess you haven't been to Malmö recently
No I have not being poor, old and fragile.>>
All that wonderful social engineering simply means hordes of criminals >>>> without jobs are taking over nice middle class burbs.
References please as we are used to Lying claims about people that
the President of the USA thinks of a useless eaters. He keeps inventing
crime waves that do not exist in cities that are run by Democratic or
black
mayors. He ignores the real murder capitals in cities that are Republican
strongholds.
I just hope the coming explosion doesn't hurt the rest of the planet.
On 8/27/25 08:53, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:39:35 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 26/08/2025 16:29, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Since the Wind Turbines are producing lots of electricalROFLMAO.
power they will have that.
When they aren't priducing none when the wind doesn't blow, or producing >>> so much we have to pay them to shut down
The Natural Philospher is on my list. Sometimes he is right like a broken clock.
I guess you haven't yet heard of the fabulous technological improvement
in batteries and I do not mean AA, AAA, C, or D cells though they are
better
especially with LEDs than the incandesent bulbs of my childhood.
No I am talking about batteries of cells that take up city blocks are
charged when the sun is shining or/and the wind is blowing.
Or pumped hydro-electric storage systems.
You don't have to pay to shut them down, just use more power or switch to AI data center operation.
References please as we are used to Lying claims about people that
the President of the USA thinks of a useless eaters. He keeps inventing crime waves that do not exist in cities that are run by Democratic or black mayors. He ignores the real murder capitals in cities that are Republican strongholds.
References please as we are used to Lying claims about people that the President of the USA thinks of a useless eaters. He keeps inventing
crime waves that do not exist in cities that are run by Democratic or
black mayors. He ignores the real murder capitals in cities that are Republican strongholds.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 12:52:56 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
References please as we are used to Lying claims about people that the
President of the USA thinks of a useless eaters. He keeps inventing
crime waves that do not exist in cities that are run by Democratic or
black mayors. He ignores the real murder capitals in cities that are
Republican strongholds.
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-cities-have-the-highest-murder-rates/
Would you care to list the cities run by Republicans? I'll help get you started, Virginia Beach. If the stats are from 2023 they shouldn't include DeWayne Craddock's 2019 body count of 12. Mr. Craddock, of course, was a white supremacist.
hich large cities have the highest homicide rates?
The top five homicide rates among large population centers — those with more than a million residents — were the cities of:
Memphis, Tennessee (Shelby County)
St. Louis, Missouri (St. Louis city)
Baltimore, Maryland (Baltimore city)
Washington, DC, (District of Columbia, DC)
Birmingham, Alabama (Jefferson County).
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/199639062/dewayne_a-craddock
Liberals sometimes prefer to point to states with a Republican administration, conveniently ignoring the state may include cities led by Democrats. Missouri comes to mind. I'm sure many in Missouri wouldn't mind nuking KC and St. Louis. Tennessee? Well, what are you going to do when
your state includes Memphis? The last time I was back that way I took an obscure route and crossed the river on I-155 avoiding both Memphis and St. Louis. Win win.
I think there is one white Democrat mayor in that list, and an Indian.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/al/birmingham/crime
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:39:35 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 26/08/2025 16:29, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Since the Wind Turbines are producing lots of electricalROFLMAO.
power they will have that.
When they aren't priducing none when the wind doesn't blow, or producing
so much we have to pay them to shut down
` And the Socilal Projects seem to produce more peaceful
and happier citizens which the USA has trouble with.
Or did you think that all those mass shooting in the USA
were done by happy citizens. Our American Dream has been
undermined by materialism and empire building then Trump
and the billionaires decided to make it pay them more for
being rich already. In Californria we have Turbines making
a substantial amount of the power we use and if we could
pull the homes we should have built 25 or 30 years agot
out of the behinds of the billionaires we would be much
more comfortable without the houseless having to live on
our streets. California is trying to do something about that
at least.
I guess you haven't been to Malmö recently
All that wonderful social engineering simply means hordes of criminals
without jobs are taking over nice middle class burbs.
--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."
George Santayana
OT Much?
fu bin bucket
On 2025-08-27 21:52, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 8/27/25 08:53, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:39:35 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 26/08/2025 16:29, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
...
I guess you haven't been to Malmö recently
No I have not being poor, old and fragile.>>
All that wonderful social engineering simply means hordes of criminals >>>> without jobs are taking over nice middle class burbs.
References please as we are used to Lying claims about people that
the President of the USA thinks of a useless eaters. He keeps inventing
crime waves that do not exist in cities that are run by Democratic or
black
mayors. He ignores the real murder capitals in cities that are Republican
strongholds.
I just hope the coming explosion doesn't hurt the rest of the planet.
On 27/08/2025 21:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-27 21:52, Bobbie Sellers wrote:When fools persists in their folly they become wise.
On 8/27/25 08:53, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:39:35 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 26/08/2025 16:29, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
...
I guess you haven't been to Malmö recently
No I have not being poor, old and fragile.>>
All that wonderful social engineering simply means hordes of criminals >>>>> without jobs are taking over nice middle class burbs.
References please as we are used to Lying claims about people that
the President of the USA thinks of a useless eaters. He keeps inventing >>> crime waves that do not exist in cities that are run by Democratic or
black
mayors. He ignores the real murder capitals in cities that are
Republican
strongholds.
I just hope the coming explosion doesn't hurt the rest of the planet.
The Librals really fucked things up. Now is Donald's turn.
A spectacular clusterfuck.
But let's hope he does spectacular damage to
the WokieComs BEFORE that clusterfuck 🙂
Idiot fanatics of any stripe MUST be destroyed
lest they do FATAL damage. The Good Life lies
in-between extremes - but that seg doesn't make
for interesting Media. IT wants flames -vs- flames
On 28/08/2025 09:15, c186282 wrote:
But let's hope he does spectacular damage to
the WokieComs BEFORE that clusterfuck 🙂
Idiot fanatics of any stripe MUST be destroyed
lest they do FATAL damage. The Good Life lies
in-between extremes - but that seg doesn't make
for interesting Media. IT wants flames -vs- flames
This generation is growing up in the disinformation age.
With luck some will learn to actually think for themselves
The problem is the death of God, but not of Folks Believing In Stuff.
On 8/28/25 5:36 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/08/2025 09:15, c186282 wrote:
But let's hope he does spectacular damage to
the WokieComs BEFORE that clusterfuck 🙂
Idiot fanatics of any stripe MUST be destroyed
lest they do FATAL damage. The Good Life lies
in-between extremes - but that seg doesn't make
for interesting Media. IT wants flames -vs- flames
This generation is growing up in the disinformation age.
With luck some will learn to actually think for themselves
A few percent won't make a diff.
A LOT of all this is just going to crash and burn.
A more sensible re-build after, IF possible, but first ...
Then THAT will follow the same path of doom. It's just
something about PEOPLE alas.
The problem is the death of God, but not of Folks Believing In Stuff.
Gods won't do you no good.
On 8/27/25 4:02 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-27 21:52, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 8/27/25 08:53, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:39:35 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 26/08/2025 16:29, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
...
I guess you haven't been to Malmö recently
No I have not being poor, old and fragile.>>
All that wonderful social engineering simply means hordes of criminals >>>>> without jobs are taking over nice middle class burbs.
References please as we are used to Lying claims about people that
the President of the USA thinks of a useless eaters. He keeps inventing >>> crime waves that do not exist in cities that are run by Democratic or
black
mayors. He ignores the real murder capitals in cities that are
Republican
strongholds.
I just hope the coming explosion doesn't hurt the rest of the planet.
Umm ... the crime/psycho wave IS horribly real.
It's the WokieCom's "storm troopers" to destroy
western civ. I guess the Iranians/Taliban/ISIS
are "better" eh ... ?
Anyway, so, I've gotta support the Trump viewpoint
here.
As for "explosions" THAT'S been a horrible reality
since 1949. Flash/Poof ! All gone.
Most of the violence comes from the Lone Wolf type of
actor. If they were woke they would not do violence.
Most of the violence comes from the Lone Wolf type of
actor. If they were woke they would not do violence.
On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 09:44:50 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Most of the violence comes from the Lone Wolf type of
actor. If they were woke they would not do violence.
Right. BLM and Antifa do mostly peaceful violence.
On 8/28/25 01:11, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 4:02 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-27 21:52, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 8/27/25 08:53, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:39:35 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 26/08/2025 16:29, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
...
I guess you haven't been to Malmö recently
No I have not being poor, old and fragile.>>
All that wonderful social engineering simply means hordes of
criminals
without jobs are taking over nice middle class burbs.
References please as we are used to Lying claims about people that
the President of the USA thinks of a useless eaters. He keeps
inventing
crime waves that do not exist in cities that are run by Democratic
or black
mayors. He ignores the real murder capitals in cities that are
Republican
strongholds.
I just hope the coming explosion doesn't hurt the rest of the planet.
Umm ... the crime/psycho wave IS horribly real.
It's the WokieCom's "storm troopers" to destroy
western civ. I guess the Iranians/Taliban/ISIS
are "better" eh ... ?
Most of the violence comes from the Lone Wolf type of
actor. If they were woke they would not do violence.
Anyway, so, I've gotta support the Trump viewpoint
here.
Which Trump viewpoint?
The one in which he says that a lot of people would like a dictator?
A lot of people is about 2% in reality and 83% hate the idea of a dictator
which is not a Constitutional Office in the USA.
The one that picks a Russian Asset Tulsie Gabbard as head of Intelligence?
The one that chose an incompetent former TV actor as Secretary of Defense?
The one Robert F. Kennedy Jr. he picked to run the Health agencies and who
is firing all the competent scientists and knowledgeable administrators.
Kash Patel who wants to shut down the FBI but instead is just slowly destroying its capacity to respond to the horrible things that it
formerly stopped.
Going on with this list is too tiring and Social Security Administration has
had the information of over 300,000,000 million American citizens and legal residents has been copied to low security machines by DOGE.
Trump is truely as dumb as Bush II was portrayed and not nearly as clever as Cheney.
As for "explosions" THAT'S been a horrible reality
since 1949. Flash/Poof ! All gone.
Still no references, Russian disinformation is what you repeat.
bliss
On 2025-08-28 18:44, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 8/28/25 01:11, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 4:02 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-27 21:52, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 8/27/25 08:53, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:39:35 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 26/08/2025 16:29, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
...
I guess you haven't been to Malmö recently
No I have not being poor, old and fragile.>>
All that wonderful social engineering simply means hordes of
criminals
without jobs are taking over nice middle class burbs.
References please as we are used to Lying claims about people that
the President of the USA thinks of a useless eaters. He keeps
inventing
crime waves that do not exist in cities that are run by Democratic
or black
mayors. He ignores the real murder capitals in cities that are
Republican
strongholds.
I just hope the coming explosion doesn't hurt the rest of the planet.
Umm ... the crime/psycho wave IS horribly real.
It's the WokieCom's "storm troopers" to destroy
western civ. I guess the Iranians/Taliban/ISIS
are "better" eh ... ?
Most of the violence comes from the Lone Wolf type of
actor. If they were woke they would not do violence.
Anyway, so, I've gotta support the Trump viewpoint
here.
Which Trump viewpoint?
The one in which he says that a lot of people would like a dictator?
A lot of people is about 2% in reality and 83% hate the idea of a >> dictator
which is not a Constitutional Office in the USA.
The one that picks a Russian Asset Tulsie Gabbard as head of
Intelligence?
The one that chose an incompetent former TV actor as Secretary of >> Defense?
The one Robert F. Kennedy Jr. he picked to run the Health
agencies and who
is firing all the competent scientists and knowledgeable administrators.
Oh, many are smiling at the idea of the USA self destroying. Many
USAians will die as a direct result of this man actions. And many other
will suffer consequences for life (thinking polio). And others are
smiling at the thought. No terrorist could achieve that much. Wet dream
come true. :-(
On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 09:44:50 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Most of the violence comes from the Lone Wolf type of
actor. If they were woke they would not do violence.
Right. BLM and Antifa do mostly peaceful violence.
Well ........ IF we die it will at least be by our OWN
hand, OWN mistakes ... not ISIS/IRAN/TALIBAN/RUSSIA/ETC. 🙂
On 29/08/2025 08:32, c186282 wrote:
Well ........ IF we die it will at least be by our OWN
hand, OWN mistakes ... not ISIS/IRAN/TALIBAN/RUSSIA/ETC. 🙂
Bless!
Did you really think the whole Libral/Maga conflict wasn't *invented* in Moscow?
Feed one group of dimwits bullshit about 'progressive liberal values'
and pump money into the other dimwits to 'preserve traditional
Christian values', light blue touch paper and retire immediately...
On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 11:12:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/08/2025 08:32, c186282 wrote:
Well ........ IF we die it will at least be by our OWN
hand, OWN mistakes ... not ISIS/IRAN/TALIBAN/RUSSIA/ETC. 🙂
Bless!
Did you really think the whole Libral/Maga conflict wasn't *invented* in
Moscow?
Feed one group of dimwits bullshit about 'progressive liberal values'
and pump money into the other dimwits to 'preserve traditional
Christian values', light blue touch paper and retire immediately...
Right. I suppose it was a vast Russian conspiracy that led to a wee Scots lassie defending her sister with a butcher knife and hatchet having more balls than your 'leaders'. Moscow has been slipping cyproterone acetate in your beer for decades.
On 8/28/25 3:44 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-28 18:44, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 8/28/25 01:11, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 4:02 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-27 21:52, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 8/27/25 08:53, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:39:35 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 26/08/2025 16:29, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Which Trump viewpoint?
The one in which he says that a lot of people would like a
dictator?
A lot of people is about 2% in reality and 83% hate the idea of >>> a dictator
which is not a Constitutional Office in the USA.
The one that picks a Russian Asset Tulsie Gabbard as head of
Intelligence?
The one that chose an incompetent former TV actor as Secretary >>> of Defense?
The one Robert F. Kennedy Jr. he picked to run the Health
agencies and who
is firing all the competent scientists and knowledgeable administrators.
Oh, many are smiling at the idea of the USA self destroying. Many
USAians will die as a direct result of this man actions. And many
other will suffer consequences for life (thinking polio). And others
are smiling at the thought. No terrorist could achieve that much. Wet
dream come true. :-(
Well ........ IF we die it will at least be by our OWN
hand, OWN mistakes ... not ISIS/IRAN/TALIBAN/RUSSIA/ETC. :-)
Do NOT love RFK ... he's a nutter. Not everything he says
is bad - FAR less 'additives' in food is a GOOD thing. But
his vaccine delusions ... NOT good at all. China/Russia
CAN take advantage - bomb the USA with viruses aimed at
the un-vaxxed.
TODAY ... have to be 65+ just to get a Covid vax unless
you pay good money to get a doctors permission. Alas,
while over 65, I can't take Covid vax anymore regardless,
increasing bad effects with each previous dose. Flu vax
does have a slight cross-over effectiveness to Covid
however. Have no prob with flu vax.
IMHO, the prob with Covid vax is NOT the mRNA ... but
the ADDITIVES intended to preserve and trigger a larger
response. Had to take lots of Naproxen after my last
vax ... but because of new meds it's not wise to DO
that anymore. So .......
Alas RFK is a "package", good along with the bad.
But then what's new in govt ?
It MAY be possible to make like a 'nasal spray' kinder
and gentler Covid vax. May not be AS effective as an
injection, but any little help would still be good.
Half Covid is better than FULL Covid.
In truth, Covid has now mutated into a "mostly harmless"
form. Not ENTIRELY harmless, but not nearly as bad as the
initial strains.
Prob ... China and elsewhere ... they KEEP fucking around
and producing Covid-similar viruses for "research". One
or more of those WILL leak. IMHO, anyone trying to 'enhance'
Covid or anything near should be ARRESTED, their labs and
notes INCINERATED and the mad scientists put into a sub-
basement DUNGEON forever and ever. This shit is TOO dangerous.
Bio-weapons are like self-replicating nukes.
On 2025-08-29 09:32, c186282 wrote:
On 8/28/25 3:44 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-28 18:44, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 8/28/25 01:11, c186282 wrote:
On 8/27/25 4:02 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-27 21:52, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 8/27/25 08:53, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:39:35 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 26/08/2025 16:29, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
...
Which Trump viewpoint?
The one in which he says that a lot of people would like a
dictator?
A lot of people is about 2% in reality and 83% hate the idea of >>>> a dictator
which is not a Constitutional Office in the USA.
The one that picks a Russian Asset Tulsie Gabbard as head of >>>> Intelligence?
The one that chose an incompetent former TV actor as Secretary >>>> of Defense?
The one Robert F. Kennedy Jr. he picked to run the Health
agencies and who
is firing all the competent scientists and knowledgeable
administrators.
Oh, many are smiling at the idea of the USA self destroying. Many
USAians will die as a direct result of this man actions. And many
other will suffer consequences for life (thinking polio). And others
are smiling at the thought. No terrorist could achieve that much. Wet
dream come true. :-(
Well ........ IF we die it will at least be by our OWN
hand, OWN mistakes ... not ISIS/IRAN/TALIBAN/RUSSIA/ETC. :-)
Do NOT love RFK ... he's a nutter. Not everything he says
is bad - FAR less 'additives' in food is a GOOD thing. But
his vaccine delusions ... NOT good at all. China/Russia
CAN take advantage - bomb the USA with viruses aimed at
the un-vaxxed.
TODAY ... have to be 65+ just to get a Covid vax unless
you pay good money to get a doctors permission. Alas,
while over 65, I can't take Covid vax anymore regardless,
increasing bad effects with each previous dose. Flu vax
does have a slight cross-over effectiveness to Covid
however. Have no prob with flu vax.
IMHO, the prob with Covid vax is NOT the mRNA ... but
the ADDITIVES intended to preserve and trigger a larger
response. Had to take lots of Naproxen after my last
vax ... but because of new meds it's not wise to DO
that anymore. So .......
Alas RFK is a "package", good along with the bad.
But then what's new in govt ?
It MAY be possible to make like a 'nasal spray' kinder
and gentler Covid vax. May not be AS effective as an
injection, but any little help would still be good.
Half Covid is better than FULL Covid.
Heard of that time ago, but no more. I wonder what happened.
In truth, Covid has now mutated into a "mostly harmless"
form. Not ENTIRELY harmless, but not nearly as bad as the
initial strains.
Prob ... China and elsewhere ... they KEEP fucking around
and producing Covid-similar viruses for "research". One
or more of those WILL leak. IMHO, anyone trying to 'enhance'
Covid or anything near should be ARRESTED, their labs and
notes INCINERATED and the mad scientists put into a sub-
basement DUNGEON forever and ever. This shit is TOO dangerous.
Bio-weapons are like self-replicating nukes.
If country A thinks country B is working on bio weapons, it will work on
it. And country B, C, D, will do the same.
Also, you have to work on them in order to also work on defence against
them.
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