I'll hand it to the Brit royals, they DO tend to get
into the actual SHIT. Tradition. Even QE2 got her
hands filthy in the mil motor pool, got bombed, was
trained to use a sub-machinegun. Too bad other Euro
royals rarely follow suit, it'd make them far more
relevant, worthy of their lineage.
On 2025-08-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
I'll hand it to the Brit royals, they DO tend to get
into the actual SHIT. Tradition. Even QE2 got her
hands filthy in the mil motor pool, got bombed, was
trained to use a sub-machinegun. Too bad other Euro
royals rarely follow suit, it'd make them far more
relevant, worthy of their lineage.
King Frederik of Denmark is respected for his military service, as well
as his political science education. Queen Mary is the daughter of an Australian professor; she studied commerce and law at the University of Tasmania, and worked in marketing for Microsoft after Uni. She also
serves in the military (Home Guard ... our version of the "standing reserves".
On 29/08/2025 12:39 pm, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-08-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:"Home Guard"?? Aren't they all really, really old Men?? ;-P
I'll hand it to the Brit royals, they DO tend to get into the
actual SHIT. Tradition. Even QE2 got her hands filthy in the mil
motor pool, got bombed, was trained to use a sub-machinegun. Too
bad other Euro royals rarely follow suit, it'd make them far more
relevant, worthy of their lineage.
King Frederik of Denmark is respected for his military service, as well
as his political science education. Queen Mary is the daughter of an
Australian professor; she studied commerce and law at the University of
Tasmania, and worked in marketing for Microsoft after Uni. She also
serves in the military (Home Guard ... our version of the "standing
reserves".
The Lutherans or the Catholics? There is some similarity. For the
Lutherans the doctrinal disagreement starts with the 'Book of Concord'.
For the Missouri Synod it's the word of god and a complete statement of
the doctrine. For the ELCA, there is wiggle room leading to:
The ECLA has LGBQ++ clergy, with the L implying they have female clergy of any orientation. In the Missouri Synod women may serve in administrative functions created by Man; they don't get to do those things created by
God. Homosexuality is inherently sinful, abnormal, and an abomination.
Pray for the critters if you must but don't get too close. You probably
can fill in the blanks on abortion, euthanasia, DEI, same sex marriage, inclusive language in the liturgy, etc. The ECLA tends to collect flaming liberals. There's another synod that I think is to the right of the
Missouri Synod but I forget its name.
Ah, yes. I was always confused as to who was who between the LCA and the ELCA, but the division is familiar to me as a Dane. The Danish Lutheran
state church has a fundamentalist wing ("The society for the Inner
Mission") and a liberal wing (The Grundtvig church). When Danes
immigrated to America, this brought both wings with them. The two kinds
can be seen in Bergman's "Fanny and ALexander". It begins in the
Grundtvig style sect, "the happy church". And in the second half, the children are adopted into the family of the fundamentalist relatives.
Here in the US, I have heard the two referred to as "the Happy
Lutherans" and "the Gloomy Lutherans".
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:26:04 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
Ah, yes. I was always confused as to who was who between the LCA and the
ELCA, but the division is familiar to me as a Dane. The Danish Lutheran
state church has a fundamentalist wing ("The society for the Inner
Mission") and a liberal wing (The Grundtvig church). When Danes
immigrated to America, this brought both wings with them. The two kinds
can be seen in Bergman's "Fanny and ALexander". It begins in the
Grundtvig style sect, "the happy church". And in the second half, the
children are adopted into the family of the fundamentalist relatives.
The history is complicated. It took a while in the US to get the German, Danish, Norwegian, Swedish and so forth Lutherans singing from the same hymnal.
Here in the US, I have heard the two referred to as "the Happy
Lutherans" and "the Gloomy Lutherans".
The other flavor I was exposed to as a kid was Dutch Reformed, talk about gloomy. My mother didn't take it seriously at least. In her later years
she said she'd never voiced her views in case she got religion as she got older but figured at that point in her life it wasn't going to happen.
There were moments. My father and uncle would get together every Saturday
and lay in a 12 quart case of beer. Both the heavy case and the bottles themselves required a deposit but they didn't always get returned
promptly. On one of her clean up campaigns she loaded several cases on my
red Radio Flyer wagon and we headed down the street to a beverage store
where they redeemed them. When we got there her pastor pulled in,
presumably to lay in a stock of ginger ale. What wagon full of beer
bottles? I don't see any beer bottles. He was young and had a pretty good idea not all of his flock were on the straight and narrow.
The downside was his church raised money with bake sales. The Catholic
church raised money with Las Vegas Nights, bingo, and an annual horse
show.
Like the ELCA, There is a Reformed Church in America but the Dutch
Reformed broke away the Canons of Dort. When my mother died the minister
had been imported from the Netherlands since the seminaries weren't
turning out ministers with the right degree of purity.
Ob Linux: Protestants are sort of like Linux with multiple flavors that
are hard to tell apart. Catholics are like Windows. Despite changes over
the years a Windows computer is a Windows computer.
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:26:04 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
Here in the US, I have heard the two referred to as "the Happy
Lutherans" and "the Gloomy Lutherans".
The other flavor I was exposed to as a kid was Dutch Reformed, talk about gloomy. My mother didn't take it seriously at least. In her later years
she said she'd never voiced her views in case she got religion as she got older but figured at that point in her life it wasn't going to happen.
There were moments. My father and uncle would get together every Saturday
and lay in a 12 quart case of beer. Both the heavy case and the bottles themselves required a deposit but they didn't always get returned
promptly. On one of her clean up campaigns she loaded several cases on my
red Radio Flyer wagon and we headed down the street to a beverage store
where they redeemed them. When we got there her pastor pulled in,
presumably to lay in a stock of ginger ale. What wagon full of beer
bottles? I don't see any beer bottles. He was young and had a pretty good idea not all of his flock were on the straight and narrow.
The downside was his church raised money with bake sales. The Catholic
church raised money with Las Vegas Nights, bingo, and an annual horse
show.
Like the ELCA, There is a Reformed Church in America but the Dutch
Reformed broke away the Canons of Dort. When my mother died the minister
had been imported from the Netherlands since the seminaries weren't
turning out ministers with the right degree of purity.
The "Lutherans" (many versions) were "revolutionaries".
Wonder, what WERE they worshiping at Gobekli Tepe
and related places, 12,000+ years ago
I don't think they did 'worship'...
For many, many years, here in Australia, the Roman Catholic church
seemed to be populated by Irish Priests .... then it went to a goodly
number of Italian Priests (reasonable seems as that's where the Church
HQ is) but, lately, we've had Indian and Korean Priests at my little
Country Church.
Air Force Chaplain I met overseas called himself "FBI" ForeignLike the ELCA, There is a Reformed Church in America but the Dutch
Reformed broke away the Canons of Dort. When my mother died the minister
had been imported from the Netherlands since the seminaries weren't
turning out ministers with the right degree of purity.
For many, many years, here in Australia, the Roman Catholic church
seemed to be populated by Irish Priests .... then it went to a goodly
number of Italian Priests (reasonable seems as that's where the Church
HQ is) but, lately, we've had Indian and Korean Priests at my little
Country Church.
--
On 01/09/2025 07:32, c186282 wrote:
Wonder, what WERE they worshiping at Gobekli Tepe
and related places, 12,000+ years ago
On 2025-09-01, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I don't think they did 'worship'...
According to several UU ministers, "Worship" comes from an old English
word meaning "to shape that which has worth".
Even the Greeks thought the Gods screwed around with humans when they were bored but had problems of their own too.
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 00:08:05 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
For many, many years, here in Australia, the Roman Catholic church
seemed to be populated by Irish Priests .... then it went to a goodly
number of Italian Priests (reasonable seems as that's where the Church
HQ is) but, lately, we've had Indian and Korean Priests at my little
Country Church.
At least when I was growing up there tended to be the German, French,
Irish, Polish, Italian church and the newer churches that had no
prevailing ethnic flavor. Other than a visiting priest from Africa once a year for Missionary Sunday, all priests were white as were the
parishioners.
I don't know about the current situation but historically the indigenous tribes sent expeditions east to bring back 'Black Robes' and got a mix of French and Italian Jesuits. I think it's the oldest Catholic church in
town but Francis Xavier was built in 1892 and is old school with very nice frescoes. The associated high school is Loyola. When I asked a Catholic friend if he went there he expressed negative views about the Jesuits and their works. The Jebs have always been controversial.
On 2/09/2025 1:53 pm, rbowman wrote:
<Snip>
Even the Greeks thought the Gods screwed around with humans when theyIsn't that why 'they' had the word 'demi-god', sort of Half-God,
were bored but had problems of their own too.
half-human??
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 22:24:52 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 2/09/2025 1:53 pm, rbowman wrote:
<Snip>
Even the Greeks thought the Gods screwed around with humans when theyIsn't that why 'they' had the word 'demi-god', sort of Half-God,
were bored but had problems of their own too.
half-human??
I didn't have actual screwing in mind, but there was a lot of that too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%ADgs%C3%BEula
In the Norse canon Rig fathers entire social classes. We still have
thralls, karls, and jarls although as the great philosopher, John Lennon, observed:
'You think you're so clever, classless, and free
but you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see.'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4wyARCCl30
"Francis Xavier" "Loyola"
Hmm! My youngest sister and her family live in Montmorency, Victoria,
just up the road from St Francis Xavier Church and School (by-the-by my Father's name was Francis Xavier) and Loyola Colledge is a little bit
away down Grimshaw St, Watsonia.
I thought you were Rural Victoria!!
Wonder, what WERE they worshiping at Gobekli Tepe
and related places, 12,000+ years ago
"Please, mystical figure, give us more of these to catch, kill and eat."
Now they were creating art. Like still lives depicting bowls of fruit they were recording the good things of their life and perhaps calling the lives that they would take to sustain their own.
Perhaps it was a callilng on the Earth God to provide but since that was before written language most likely we will never definitively know. Noted that there is somehing online about this matter.
Hate to waste my time on video so ignore YouTub but found this.
<https://dailynews.0tnews.com/quantum-ai-just-decoded-gobekli-tepes-symbols-and-what-it-found-was-godlike/>
More like exploitation of the unconscious mind thru symbolic archetypes.
Very early religion.
"UUs are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re going to get.”
Apologies to Forrest Gump.
https://cooljugator.com/etymology/en/worship
Hate to waste my time on video so ignore YouTub
On 01/09/2025 07:32, c186282 wrote:
Wonder, what WERE they worshiping at Gobekli Tepe
and related places, 12,000+ years ago
On 9/1/25 06:19, Daniel70 wrote:
"Please, mystical figure, give us more of these to catch, kill and eat."
On 2025-09-02, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Now they were creating art. Like still lives depicting bowls of fruit >> they were recording the good things of their life and perhaps calling the
lives that they would take to sustain their own.
Perhaps it was a callilng on the Earth God to provide but since that
was before written language most likely we will never definitively know.
Noted that there is somehing online about this matter.
Hate to waste my time on video so ignore YouTub but found this.
<https://dailynews.0tnews.com/quantum-ai-just-decoded-gobekli-tepes-symbols-and-what-it-found-was-godlike/>
More like exploitation of the unconscious mind thru symbolic archetypes.
Very early religion.
That site looks very fishy to me. And the article that you are pointing
to looks to me like pure mumbo-jumbo!
[Warning: thread drift]
On 2025-09-02, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Hate to waste my time on video so ignore YouTube
Ah, someone else who feels the way I do. When I'm trying to
search the web for instructions on how to do something, I skip
over videos in favour of text descriptions (which means that
I skip most hits). I hate the idea of having to sit through
20 minutes of video which proceeds at a glacial pace with no
easy, accurate way to skip ahead. Text descriptions, on the
other hand, allow you to skip ahead or jump around at your
discretion, and let you find something in 30 seconds.
And many videos are very poorly done - not even a rehearsal
or gathering of relevant material before hitting the record
button. Ready, fire, aim. (In some cases it would be more
accurate to say "fire, aim, ready".)
[Warning: thread drift]
On 2025-09-02, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Hate to waste my time on video so ignore YouTub
Ah, someone else who feels the way I do. When I'm trying to
search the web for instructions on how to do something, I skip
over videos in favour of text descriptions (which means that
I skip most hits). I hate the idea of having to sit through
20 minutes of video which proceeds at a glacial pace with no
easy, accurate way to skip ahead. Text descriptions, on the
other hand, allow you to skip ahead or jump around at your
discretion, and let you find something in 30 seconds.
And many videos are very poorly done - not even a rehearsal
or gathering of relevant material before hitting the record
button. Ready, fire, aim. (In some cases it would be more
accurate to say "fire, aim, ready".)
On 01/09/2025 07:32, c186282 wrote:
Wonder, what WERE they worshiping at Gobekli Tepe
and related places, 12,000+ years ago
On 9/1/25 06:19, Daniel70 wrote:
"Please, mystical figure, give us more of these to catch, kill and eat."
On 2025-09-02, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Now they were creating art. Like still lives depicting bowls of fruit >> they were recording the good things of their life and perhaps calling the
lives that they would take to sustain their own.
Perhaps it was a callilng on the Earth God to provide but since that
was before written language most likely we will never definitively know.
Noted that there is somehing online about this matter.
Hate to waste my time on video so ignore YouTub but found this.
More like exploitation of the unconscious mind thru symbolic archetypes.<https://dailynews.0tnews.com/quantum-ai-just-decoded-gobekli-tepes-symbols-and-what-it-found-was-godlike/>
Very early religion.
That site looks very fishy to me. And the article that you are pointing
to looks to me like pure mumbo-jumbo!
Very mixed up. The original Hebrew arrangement was refined into big G at
the top in charge of Creation and angels and demi-urges who took care of
the details.
That maps exactly onto the 'Big Bang' and the 'laws of nature', once you remove the anthropic element...
On 2025-09-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
"UUs are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re going to
get.”
Apologies to Forrest Gump.
https://cooljugator.com/etymology/en/worship
"UU's do not all think alike, but they all think!"
Ah, someone else who feels the way I do. When I'm trying to search the
web for instructions on how to do something, I skip over videos in
favour of text descriptions (which means that I skip most hits).
Well have you ever read Jungian psychology? That is full ofexposition
on archetypes.
I'm also scratching my head over what "quantum AI" is supposed to mean
-- sounds like a buzzword.
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 22:24:52 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 2/09/2025 1:53 pm, rbowman wrote:
<Snip>
Even the Greeks thought the Gods screwed around with humans when theyIsn't that why 'they' had the word 'demi-god', sort of Half-God,
were bored but had problems of their own too.
half-human??
I didn't have actual screwing in mind, but there was a lot of that too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%ADgs%C3%BEula
In the Norse canon Rig fathers entire social classes. We still have
thralls, karls, and jarls although as the great philosopher, John Lennon, observed:
'You think you're so clever, classless, and free
but you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see.'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4wyARCCl30
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 23:07:05 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
"Francis Xavier" "Loyola"
Hmm! My youngest sister and her family live in Montmorency, Victoria,
just up the road from St Francis Xavier Church and School (by-the-by my
Father's name was Francis Xavier) and Loyola Colledge is a little bit
away down Grimshaw St, Watsonia.
I thought you were Rural Victoria!!
No rural Montana. Thanks to the Brave search engine:
https://jesuit.org.au/wp-content/uploads/the-history-of-the-jesuits-in- australia.pdf
On 02/09/2025 19:27, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 22:24:52 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:Very mixed up. The original Hebrew arrangement was refined into big G at
On 2/09/2025 1:53 pm, rbowman wrote:
<Snip>
Even the Greeks thought the Gods screwed around with humans when theyIsn't that why 'they' had the word 'demi-god', sort of Half-God,
were bored but had problems of their own too.
half-human??
I didn't have actual screwing in mind, but there was a lot of that too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%ADgs%C3%BEula
In the Norse canon Rig fathers entire social classes. We still have
thralls, karls, and jarls although as the great philosopher, John Lennon,
observed:
'You think you're so clever, classless, and free
but you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see.'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4wyARCCl30
the top in charge of Creation and angels and demi-urges who took care of
the details.
That maps exactly onto the 'Big Bang' and the 'laws of nature', once you remove the anthropic element...
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 20:20:12 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote in <slrn10bekbs.2vt1s.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>:
On 01/09/2025 07:32, c186282 wrote:
Wonder, what WERE they worshiping at Gobekli Tepe
and related places, 12,000+ years ago
On 9/1/25 06:19, Daniel70 wrote:
On 2025-09-02, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:"Please, mystical figure, give us more of these to catch, kill and eat." >>
Now they were creating art. Like still lives depicting bowls of fruit >>> they were recording the good things of their life and perhaps calling the >>> lives that they would take to sustain their own.
Perhaps it was a callilng on the Earth God to provide but since that >>> was before written language most likely we will never definitively know. >>> Noted that there is somehing online about this matter.
Hate to waste my time on video so ignore YouTub but found this.
<https://dailynews.0tnews.com/quantum-ai-just-decoded-gobekli-tepes-symbols-and-what-it-found-was-godlike/>
More like exploitation of the unconscious mind thru symbolic archetypes.
Very early religion.
That site looks very fishy to me. And the article that you are pointing
to looks to me like pure mumbo-jumbo!
Well, I read the article, and it seemed like it started okay, but descended into woo-woo.
I'm also scratching my head over what "quantum AI" is supposed to
mean -- sounds like a buzzword.
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