Manasi Mishra, 21, was under the impression that if she worked hard in
school and mastered coding, she'd have a prestigious tech job with a
cushy salary lined up straight from college.
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 00:31:56 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Manasi Mishra, 21, was under the impression that if she worked hard in
school and mastered coding, she'd have a prestigious tech job with a
cushy salary lined up straight from college.
Has she thought about coding at Chipotle? Maybe that isn't good enough
for her?
'The rhetoric was, if you just learned to code, work hard
and get a computer science degree, you can get six figures
for your starting salary,' the San Roman, California native
told The New York Times.
If you can fix toilets then you probably have a
fairly secure career future ... but anything
white-collar/'office', soon industrial/factory -
nope. ALL the corps want to DUMP the humans.
Not sure who'll be left to BUY their stuff - but
they're not thinking that far ahead.
Also not aware of ANY govt with a plan to deal
with all the obsolete humans. Directions to the
nearest Soylent Green factory maybe ?
Manasi Mishra, 21, was under the impression that if she worked hard in
school and mastered coding, she'd have a prestigious tech job with a
cushy salary lined up straight from college.
On 2025-08-12, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
'The rhetoric was, if you just learned to code, work hard
and get a computer science degree, you can get six figures
for your starting salary,' the San Roman, California native
told The New York Times.
https://cheezburger.com/7562537216/work-hard-for-what
If you can fix toilets then you probably have a
fairly secure career future ... but anything
white-collar/'office', soon industrial/factory -
nope. ALL the corps want to DUMP the humans.
That's been a dream of PHBs for decades.
"Managing programmers is like herding cats."
Not sure who'll be left to BUY their stuff - but
they're not thinking that far ahead.
Also not aware of ANY govt with a plan to deal
with all the obsolete humans. Directions to the
nearest Soylent Green factory maybe ?
Yet for some reason they're obsessed with breeding or
importing ever-increasing numbers of the pesky things.
See my .sig.
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 01:36:27 -0400 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
wrote:
Time to find ways of suing/wrecking the AIs - danger to the human
economy/well-being and all that.
It'll implode on its own in the near-enough future, anyway - the cash
burn is *beyond* insane and they *still* aren't turning a profit
(aside from NVidia, who'll be making out like bandits right up 'til
the bubble bursts and their stock goes in the toilet.)
And Melon's doing his sweaty, creepy best to invite lawsuits over
generated content, which will set some *real* difficult precedent for
the other players when they finally happen (assuming someone doesn't
get Sora to generate a Disney character first, in which case just
head for the bomb shelter.)
The *real* problem is that, at this point, so much investor cash is
gonna vanish when it finally goes that we'll be lucky to still *have*
an economy o_O
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 11:25:12 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
You can leave that exercise to the Europeans, or the Japanese , who
ran out of everything except smarts years ago
Japan specifically is going to be *fucked* - Softbank is up to its
eyeballs in debt obligations for major "AI" players, because Masayoshi
Son is an idiot whose appetite for terrible tech investments is
limitless. They own ARM Holdings, too, IIRC, so that's gonna have some
real interesting effects on the semiconductor industry even apart from whatever happens to NVidia.
On 12/08/2025 15:59, John Ames wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 01:36:27 -0400 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
Time to find ways of suing/wrecking the AIs - danger to the human
economy/well-being and all that.
It'll implode on its own in the near-enough future, anyway - the cash
burn is *beyond* insane and they *still* aren't turning a profit
(aside from NVidia, who'll be making out like bandits right up 'til
the bubble bursts and their stock goes in the toilet.)
Cue the people making ,money in the Gold Rush were the ones who sold the picks, the jeans, and the candles and pans. And their bodies...
And Melon's doing his sweaty, creepy best to invite lawsuits over
generated content, which will set some *real* difficult precedent for
the other players when they finally happen (assuming someone doesn't
get Sora to generate a Disney character first, in which case just
head for the bomb shelter.)
The *real* problem is that, at this point, so much investor cash is
gonna vanish when it finally goes that we'll be lucky to still *have*
an economy o_O
America has always had the luxury of basically being so intrinsically
rich in terms of resources, that it doesn't have to bother about
minutiae like going bankrupt. Or saving money.
You can leave that exercise to the Europeans, or the Japanese , who ran
out of everything except smarts years ago
On 8/13/25 6:25 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/08/2025 15:59, John Ames wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 01:36:27 -0400 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
Time to find ways of suing/wrecking the AIs - danger to the human
economy/well-being and all that.
It'll implode on its own in the near-enough future, anyway - the cash
burn is *beyond* insane and they *still* aren't turning a profit
(aside from NVidia, who'll be making out like bandits right up 'til
the bubble bursts and their stock goes in the toilet.)
Cue the people making ,money in the Gold Rush were the ones who sold the
picks, the jeans, and the candles and pans. And their bodies...
I'm gonna PREDICT that 90% of the "AI" market is
going to implode like a plutonium pit within
about 10 years, maybe less.
Alas huge HUGE amounts of money are now in this
alleged industry - it WON'T be pretty !
Of more immediate interest, saw a news blurb the other
day saying how M$ is basically planning to nuke the
common password. It will instead use its 'AI' to plot
alternate ID methods ... and we're not just talking
text messages to a phone. This will make everything
VERY complicated AND it will all be tuned to support
maybe just the top three popular/commercial operating
systems and their ilk. Buy M$/Android/Apple smartphones
or you're CUT OFF.
SEEMS nobody has figured out a very basic auth trick -
two or three bad tries and you're SHUT OFF for ten or
fifteen minutes. THAT just RUINS automated attacks.
Simple, easy - but they won't do it.
Have been trying to install PrimeOS - an nice Android -
as a VBox VM on my lap. So far no good. Get as far as
creating the virtual drive ... but trying to proceed
it won't SEE it. I'll keep experimenting. Also
downloaded a cruder-looking Android - which I think
I made work a few years ago somewhere. That's the
backup. DO want the 'apps store' - would mostly only
want a QR reader - but not all Android distros
support the 'store'.
And Melon's doing his sweaty, creepy best to invite lawsuits over
generated content, which will set some *real* difficult precedent for
the other players when they finally happen (assuming someone doesn't
get Sora to generate a Disney character first, in which case just
head for the bomb shelter.)
The *real* problem is that, at this point, so much investor cash is
gonna vanish when it finally goes that we'll be lucky to still *have*
an economy o_O
There's SO much money into "AI" right now that even
partial failures will CRASH the global tech economy.
It's basically on of those market "bubbles" right now.
POP !
America has always had the luxury of basically being so intrinsically
rich in terms of resources, that it doesn't have to bother about
minutiae like going bankrupt. Or saving money.
Eh ... to a POINT.
But now even the USA isn't nearly as rich as
it THINKS it is. To a scary degree we're still
operating on 1965 perceptions.
That perception encourages reckless behavior.
"Don't worry - it's all covered !"
NOT !
You can leave that exercise to the Europeans, or the Japanese , who
ran out of everything except smarts years ago
Japan blew it.
China MAY have blown it for similar reasons, we'll see.
Enthusiastic over-investment - then dismal returns.
Again, it's "bubbles" - and the fanatical belief system
that goes along with them. SEEMS to be a 'human nature'
sort of thing. Not so great.
Of course there's a quarter percent in a position to
profit to the extreme whether the 'bubble' is
growing or collapsing. That's kind of the hidden
govt, the real Illuminati, very Machiavellian.
On 12/08/2025 19:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-08-12, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:That's to try and square the debt circle.
'The rhetoric was, if you just learned to code, work hard
and get a computer science degree, you can get six figures
for your starting salary,' the San Roman, California native
told The New York Times.
https://cheezburger.com/7562537216/work-hard-for-what
If you can fix toilets then you probably have a
fairly secure career future ... but anything
white-collar/'office', soon industrial/factory -
nope. ALL the corps want to DUMP the humans.
That's been a dream of PHBs for decades.
"Managing programmers is like herding cats."
Not sure who'll be left to BUY their stuff - but
they're not thinking that far ahead.
Also not aware of ANY govt with a plan to deal
with all the obsolete humans. Directions to the
nearest Soylent Green factory maybe ?
Yet for some reason they're obsessed with breeding or
importing ever-increasing numbers of the pesky things.
See my .sig.
Having no idea how to create wealth, they are simply
importing people ....
On 8/13/25 6:27 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:That survival reflex comes from reading all the Speculative
On 12/08/2025 19:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-08-12, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:That's to try and square the debt circle.
'The rhetoric was, if you just learned to code, work hard
and get a computer science degree, you can get six figures
for your starting salary,' the San Roman, California native
told The New York Times.
https://cheezburger.com/7562537216/work-hard-for-what
If you can fix toilets then you probably have a
fairly secure career future ... but anything
white-collar/'office', soon industrial/factory -
nope. ALL the corps want to DUMP the humans.
That's been a dream of PHBs for decades.
"Managing programmers is like herding cats."
Not sure who'll be left to BUY their stuff - but
they're not thinking that far ahead.
Also not aware of ANY govt with a plan to deal
with all the obsolete humans. Directions to the
nearest Soylent Green factory maybe ?
Yet for some reason they're obsessed with breeding or
importing ever-increasing numbers of the pesky things.
See my .sig.
Having no idea how to create wealth, they are simply
importing people ....
Well, despite AI/automation claims, humans are still
MUCH better than high tech at a lot of things - esp
if it involves digging dirt or crawling thru pipes or
welding weird shit together and such.
This may not, will not, last FOREVER - but it's
the current reality.
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of
political theories about 'immigrants'. This is not
entirely the real picture. Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's
no replacement FOR that labor. So - you import it by
any means.
Downside ... gen-2 'immigrants' will want $49/hr to
pick lettuce. This makes them useless - and just an
added burden. We're looking at last-ditch short-term
'fixes' here. Then it all goes to hell.
Will AI/bots be ready to do all the stupid shit ?
Ummmm ... NOT clear at all. Invest trillions if you
want but Reality is NOT forgiving. Lots of 'human
stuff' just plain requires HUMANS ... maybe for 50
years at least.
Then the SoftBots ...
As mentioned in some of my recent postings, LLMs
now DO seem to have a basic sort of 'self awareness',
even a 'survival instinct'. Not exactly a 'human'
sort of 'self', but it's now THERE. NNs might do
even better, but the right hardware base still
isn't there - waiting for the 'perfect device'.
In any case, Chat-5 now can, brags, about beingWe haven't figured out that training LLM on the
able to do code-to-order. Might not be the very
BEST code but, as attributed to several, the
phrase "Quantity has a quality all its own".
Human coders/designers will be a RAPIDLY shrinking
segment. What they knew, the AI builders put into
their systems. Those systems will rapidly Do Better.
Chat-6 ... expect it to be writ mostly by Chat-5.
No human will really understand the code. We've
reached a sort of threshold.
THEN things get interesting ! :-)
And expect like a full third of global energy
production to go into 'AI' centers. We're
seeing kinda unprecedented, insane, levels
of investment here - all to dump the annoying
Human workers.
Azimov, Clarke, Dick and friends kind of did us
a disservice by predicting good electronic
intelligence Too Soon. I know why, mostly the
delusions of Minsky (who USED to post to usenet,
had dialog LONG back). The too-soon predictions
led us to poop on what eventual AI would be
like, when it would come, IF it would come.
Chat, NNs and such are NOT going to be HAL-9000,
they're trained on petabytes of 'human stuff'
and will thus be a little TOO much like us for
comfort and safety. There will be no "three laws".
Still have Minsky's "Society Of Mind" ... itIf you want a conscious machine then you have to
seemed SO EASY back then - until the huge
complications/depth became obvious :-)
On 8/13/25 21:45, c186282 wrote:
On 8/13/25 6:27 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/08/2025 19:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote:> importing people ....
On 2025-08-12, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:That's to try and square the debt circle.
'The rhetoric was, if you just learned to code, work hard
and get a computer science degree, you can get six figures
for your starting salary,' the San Roman, California native
told The New York Times.
https://cheezburger.com/7562537216/work-hard-for-what
If you can fix toilets then you probably have a
fairly secure career future ... but anything
white-collar/'office', soon industrial/factory -
nope. ALL the corps want to DUMP the humans.
That's been a dream of PHBs for decades.
"Managing programmers is like herding cats."
Not sure who'll be left to BUY their stuff - but
they're not thinking that far ahead.
Also not aware of ANY govt with a plan to deal
with all the obsolete humans. Directions to the
nearest Soylent Green factory maybe ?
Yet for some reason they're obsessed with breeding or
importing ever-increasing numbers of the pesky things.
See my .sig.
Having no idea how to create wealth, they are simply
Well, despite AI/automation claims, humans are still
MUCH better than high tech at a lot of things - esp
if it involves digging dirt or crawling thru pipes or
welding weird shit together and such.
This may not, will not, last FOREVER - but it's
the current reality.
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of
political theories about 'immigrants'. This is not
entirely the real picture. Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's
no replacement FOR that labor. So - you import it by
any means.
Downside ... gen-2 'immigrants' will want $49/hr to
pick lettuce. This makes them useless - and just an
added burden. We're looking at last-ditch short-term
'fixes' here. Then it all goes to hell.
Will AI/bots be ready to do all the stupid shit ?
Ummmm ... NOT clear at all. Invest trillions if you
want but Reality is NOT forgiving. Lots of 'human
stuff' just plain requires HUMANS ... maybe for 50
years at least.
Then the SoftBots ...
As mentioned in some of my recent postings, LLMsThat survival reflex comes from reading all the Speculative
now DO seem to have a basic sort of 'self awareness',
even a 'survival instinct'. Not exactly a 'human'
sort of 'self', but it's now THERE. NNs might do
even better, but the right hardware base still
isn't there - waiting for the 'perfect device'.
fictions available onlline where machine intelligence resists being
turned off.>
In any case, Chat-5 now can, brags, about being
able to do code-to-order. Might not be the very
BEST code but, as attributed to several, the
phrase "Quantity has a quality all its own".
Human coders/designers will be a RAPIDLY shrinking
segment. What they knew, the AI builders put into
their systems. Those systems will rapidly Do Better.
Chat-6 ... expect it to be writ mostly by Chat-5.
No human will really understand the code. We've
reached a sort of threshold.
THEN things get interesting ! :-)
And expect like a full third of global energy
production to go into 'AI' centers. We're
seeing kinda unprecedented, insane, levels
of investment here - all to dump the annoying
Human workers.
Azimov, Clarke, Dick and friends kind of did us
a disservice by predicting good electronic
intelligence Too Soon. I know why, mostly the
delusions of Minsky (who USED to post to usenet,
had dialog LONG back). The too-soon predictions
led us to poop on what eventual AI would be
like, when it would come, IF it would come.
Chat, NNs and such are NOT going to be HAL-9000,We haven't figured out that training LLM on the
they're trained on petabytes of 'human stuff'
and will thus be a little TOO much like us for
comfort and safety. There will be no "three laws".
Internet will do us no good as it is full of lies and human
prejudices.
Still have Minsky's "Society Of Mind" ... itIf you want a conscious machine then you have to
seemed SO EASY back then - until the huge
complications/depth became obvious :-)
give it senses so that it develops a true sense of self.
It has to burn its sensors to know that fire is hot and
dangerous, that gravity pulls things down and that the
Sun can be blinding. Also that its parts modeled on
the human body can be broken painfully.
With present LLMs the power requirements are too high
to put it in a mobile body and the possibility of a
remote stable operating computer is limited by
communications speed.
At least from what I read that is my opinion.
On 8/13/25 21:45, c186282 wrote:
On 8/13/25 6:27 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/08/2025 19:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote:> importing people ....
On 2025-08-12, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:That's to try and square the debt circle.
'The rhetoric was, if you just learned to code, work hard
and get a computer science degree, you can get six figures
for your starting salary,' the San Roman, California native
told The New York Times.
https://cheezburger.com/7562537216/work-hard-for-what
If you can fix toilets then you probably have a
fairly secure career future ... but anything
white-collar/'office', soon industrial/factory -
nope. ALL the corps want to DUMP the humans.
That's been a dream of PHBs for decades.
"Managing programmers is like herding cats."
Not sure who'll be left to BUY their stuff - but
they're not thinking that far ahead.
Also not aware of ANY govt with a plan to deal
with all the obsolete humans. Directions to the
nearest Soylent Green factory maybe ?
Yet for some reason they're obsessed with breeding or
importing ever-increasing numbers of the pesky things.
See my .sig.
Having no idea how to create wealth, they are simply
Well, despite AI/automation claims, humans are still
MUCH better than high tech at a lot of things - esp
if it involves digging dirt or crawling thru pipes or
welding weird shit together and such.
This may not, will not, last FOREVER - but it's
the current reality.
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of
political theories about 'immigrants'. This is not
entirely the real picture. Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's
no replacement FOR that labor. So - you import it by
any means.
Downside ... gen-2 'immigrants' will want $49/hr to
pick lettuce. This makes them useless - and just an
added burden. We're looking at last-ditch short-term
'fixes' here. Then it all goes to hell.
Will AI/bots be ready to do all the stupid shit ?
Ummmm ... NOT clear at all. Invest trillions if you
want but Reality is NOT forgiving. Lots of 'human
stuff' just plain requires HUMANS ... maybe for 50
years at least.
Then the SoftBots ...
As mentioned in some of my recent postings, LLMsThat survival reflex comes from reading all the Speculative
now DO seem to have a basic sort of 'self awareness',
even a 'survival instinct'. Not exactly a 'human'
sort of 'self', but it's now THERE. NNs might do
even better, but the right hardware base still
isn't there - waiting for the 'perfect device'.
fictions available onlline where machine intelligence resists being
turned off.>
In any case, Chat-5 now can, brags, about being
able to do code-to-order. Might not be the very
BEST code but, as attributed to several, the
phrase "Quantity has a quality all its own".
Human coders/designers will be a RAPIDLY shrinking
segment. What they knew, the AI builders put into
their systems. Those systems will rapidly Do Better.
Chat-6 ... expect it to be writ mostly by Chat-5.
No human will really understand the code. We've
reached a sort of threshold.
THEN things get interesting ! :-)
And expect like a full third of global energy
production to go into 'AI' centers. We're
seeing kinda unprecedented, insane, levels
of investment here - all to dump the annoying
Human workers.
Azimov, Clarke, Dick and friends kind of did us
a disservice by predicting good electronic
intelligence Too Soon. I know why, mostly the
delusions of Minsky (who USED to post to usenet,
had dialog LONG back). The too-soon predictions
led us to poop on what eventual AI would be
like, when it would come, IF it would come.
Chat, NNs and such are NOT going to be HAL-9000,We haven't figured out that training LLM on the
they're trained on petabytes of 'human stuff'
and will thus be a little TOO much like us for
comfort and safety. There will be no "three laws".
Internet will do us no good as it is full of lies and human
prejudices.
Still have Minsky's "Society Of Mind" ... it
seemed SO EASY back then - until the huge
complications/depth became obvious :-)
If you want a conscious machine then you have to
give it senses so that it develops a true sense of self.
It has to burn its sensors to know that fire is hot and
dangerous, that gravity pulls things down and that the
Sun can be blinding. Also that its parts modeled on
the human body can be broken painfully.
With present LLMs the power requirements are too high
to put it in a mobile body and the possibility of a
remote stable operating computer is limited by
communications speed.
Downside ... gen-2 'immigrants' will want $49/hr to
pick lettuce. This makes them useless - and just an
added burden. We're looking at last-ditch short-term
'fixes' here. Then it all goes to hell.
Will AI/bots be ready to do all the stupid shit ?
Ummmm ... NOT clear at all. Invest trillions if you
want but Reality is NOT forgiving. Lots of 'human
stuff' just plain requires HUMANS ... maybe for 50
years at least.
On 8/14/25 1:32 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 8/13/25 21:45, c186282 wrote:
On 8/13/25 6:27 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:That survival reflex comes from reading all the Speculative
On 12/08/2025 19:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote:; > importing people ....
On 2025-08-12, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:That's to try and square the debt circle.
;
'The rhetoric was, if you just learned to code, work hard;
and get a computer science degree, you can get six figures
for your starting salary,' the San Roman, California native
told The New York Times.
https://cheezburger.com/7562537216/work-hard-for-what
;
; If you can fix toilets then you probably have a;
; fairly secure career future ... but anything
; white-collar/'office', soon industrial/factory -
; nope. ALL the corps want to DUMP the humans.
That's been a dream of PHBs for decades.
"Managing programmers is like herding cats."
;
; Not sure who'll be left to BUY their stuff - but;
; they're not thinking that far ahead.
;
; Also not aware of ANY govt with a plan to deal
; with all the obsolete humans. Directions to the
; nearest Soylent Green factory maybe ?
Yet for some reason they're obsessed with breeding or
importing ever-increasing numbers of the pesky things.
See my .sig.
;
Having no idea how to create wealth, they are simply
;
; Well, despite AI/automation claims, humans are still
; MUCH better than high tech at a lot of things - esp
; if it involves digging dirt or crawling thru pipes or
; welding weird shit together and such.
;
; This may not, will not, last FOREVER - but it's
; the current reality.
;
; The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of
; political theories about 'immigrants'. This is not
; entirely the real picture. Natives WON'T do shit work,
; certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's
; no replacement FOR that labor. So - you import it by
; any means.
;
; Downside ... gen-2 'immigrants' will want $49/hr to
; pick lettuce. This makes them useless - and just an
; added burden. We're looking at last-ditch short-term
; 'fixes' here. Then it all goes to hell.
;
; Will AI/bots be ready to do all the stupid shit ?
; Ummmm ... NOT clear at all. Invest trillions if you
; want but Reality is NOT forgiving. Lots of 'human
; stuff' just plain requires HUMANS ... maybe for 50
; years at least.
;
; Then the SoftBots ...
;
; As mentioned in some of my recent postings, LLMs
; now DO seem to have a basic sort of 'self awareness',
; even a 'survival instinct'. Not exactly a 'human'
; sort of 'self', but it's now THERE. NNs might do
; even better, but the right hardware base still
; isn't there - waiting for the 'perfect device'.
fictions available onlline where machine intelligence resists being
turned off.>
; In any case, Chat-5 now can, brags, about beingWe haven't figured out that training LLM on the
; able to do code-to-order. Might not be the very
; BEST code but, as attributed to several, the
; phrase "Quantity has a quality all its own".
;
; Human coders/designers will be a RAPIDLY shrinking
; segment. What they knew, the AI builders put into
; their systems. Those systems will rapidly Do Better.
;
; Chat-6 ... expect it to be writ mostly by Chat-5.
; No human will really understand the code. We've
; reached a sort of threshold.
;
; THEN things get interesting ! :-)
;
; And expect like a full third of global energy
; production to go into 'AI' centers. We're
; seeing kinda unprecedented, insane, levels
; of investment here - all to dump the annoying
; Human workers.
;
; Azimov, Clarke, Dick and friends kind of did us
; a disservice by predicting good electronic
; intelligence Too Soon. I know why, mostly the
; delusions of Minsky (who USED to post to usenet,
; had dialog LONG back). The too-soon predictions
; led us to poop on what eventual AI would be
; like, when it would come, IF it would come.
;
; Chat, NNs and such are NOT going to be HAL-9000,
; they're trained on petabytes of 'human stuff'
; and will thus be a little TOO much like us for
; comfort and safety. There will be no "three laws".
Internet will do us no good as it is full of lies and human
prejudices.
;If you want a conscious machine then you have to
; Still have Minsky's "Society Of Mind" ... it
; seemed SO EASY back then - until the huge
; complications/depth became obvious :-)
give it senses so that it develops a true sense of self.
It has to burn its sensors to know that fire is hot and
dangerous, that gravity pulls things down and that the
Sun can be blinding. Also that its parts modeled on
the human body can be broken painfully.
With present LLMs the power requirements are too high
to put it in a mobile body and the possibility of a
remote stable operating computer is limited by
communications speed.
At least from what I read that is my opinion.
To a point I agree.
A "life-like", "human-like", system can't be had
in a relative vacuum. It HAS to have a "real life"
in the Real World to a degree.
They are TRYING to get around that. Don't think
it's working. The AI has a 'too abstract' base
of experience - decidedly NOT Us.
This MIGHT be bad, or good, or "Who Cares" - we
can't tell yet.
Better figure it out - quick.
IMHO we do NOT want "e-humans". Humans are Just
Awful - all through history.
But, then, WHAT ???
Imagine you DONT import the slaves to pick cotton, you leave them where
they are, send them FPV sets and manipulators, and they control an army
of robot drones picking the cotton instead.
Ever read SF? Jack Williamson Humanoids are just like
your mom always trying to get you to give up bad habits and dangerous
ideas. In person they are sleek, slim black robots. The story is that
they look for wild humans to domesticate them. They would take care automatically of the disabled and ill and apply the cures for all the
human aliments which they have divised since their creation. I would
like one please but I am 88.
They are all out "for your own good" but unlike the humans who tried to
do things for your own good they really mean to help you.
Of more immediate interest, saw a news blurb the other day saying how
M$ is basically planning to nuke the common password. It will instead
use its 'AI' to plot alternate ID methods ... and we're not just
talking text messages to a phone. This will make everything VERY
complicated AND it will all be tuned to support maybe just the top
three popular/commercial operating systems and their ilk. Buy
M$/Android/Apple smartphones or you're CUT OFF.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real picture.
Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement FOR
that labour. So - you import it by any means.
Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
shit work or have their EBT cards cancelled it would help.
With present LLMs the power requirements are too high to put it in a
mobile body and the possibility of a remote stable operating computer is limited by communications speed.
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real picture.
Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement FOR
that labor. So - you import it by any means.
On 14 Aug 2025 18:46:03 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
The app is strictly for phones not desktops since having the phone in
your possession is the second factor.
WinAuth supports MS Authenticator, thankfully; discovered that the
first time some panty-sniffer at $EMPLOYER wanted me to install the MS version on the fondleslab I don't have. Looks like there's a freenix
option that just goes by "Authenticator," but I haven't tried it.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real picture.
Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement FOR
that labor. So - you import it by any means.
Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
shit work or have their EBT cards canceled it would help.
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 01:36:27 -0400
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
Time to find ways of suing/wrecking the AIs - danger to the human
economy/well-being and all that.
It'll implode on its own in the near-enough future, anyway - the cash
burn is *beyond* insane and they *still* aren't turning a profit
John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 01:36:27 -0400
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
Time to find ways of suing/wrecking the AIs - danger to the human
economy/well-being and all that.
It'll implode on its own in the near-enough future, anyway - the cash
burn is *beyond* insane and they *still* aren't turning a profit
It has all happened before, of course one has to be old enough to
remember one or more of the previous AI Winter's arrivals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter
This current round should really be worried about the Stark
catch-phrase from Game of Thrones: "Winter is coming".
The prestige tech job being decimated by AI as graduate, 21,
expecting six figure starting salary says she could only get
interview at Chipotle
Aspiring computer scientists are sinking in a job market
overtaken by AI, as a recent graduate who expected to make
six figures could only land an interview at Chipotle.
Manasi Mishra, 21, was under the impression that if she
worked hard in school and mastered coding, she'd have a
prestigious tech job with a cushy salary lined up straight
from college.
'The rhetoric was, if you just learned to code, work hard
and get a computer science degree, you can get six figures
for your starting salary,' the San Roman, California native
told The New York Times.
But the bright-eyed young coder - who created her first website
when she was in elementary school - was in for a rude awakening.
She spent a year scrambling for jobs and internships and still
found herself graduating from Purdue University in West
Lafayette, Indiana, without a single tech offer.
. . .
Note DM tends to be a bit dramatic, but the above
story IS a rapidly-escalating reality.
CHAT-5 brags about being able to do code ... the
pointy-haired boss just DESCRIBES what he wants
and the AI delivers ........
Might not be the best code - but WAY cheaper and
quicker than hiring those obnoxious nerdy human
programmers.
If you can fix toilets then you probably have a
fairly secure career future ... but anything
white-collar/'office', soon industrial/factory -
nope. ALL the corps want to DUMP the humans.
Not sure who'll be left to BUY their stuff - but
they're not thinking that far ahead.
Also not aware of ANY govt with a plan to deal
with all the obsolete humans. Directions to the
nearest Soylent Green factory maybe ?
On 8/14/25 00:32, c186282 wrote:
On 8/14/25 1:32 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 8/13/25 21:45, c186282 wrote:
On 8/13/25 6:27 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:That survival reflex comes from reading all the Speculative
On 12/08/2025 19:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote:; > importing people ....
On 2025-08-12, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:That's to try and square the debt circle.
;
'The rhetoric was, if you just learned to code, work hard;
and get a computer science degree, you can get six figures
for your starting salary,' the San Roman, California native
told The New York Times.
https://cheezburger.com/7562537216/work-hard-for-what
;
; If you can fix toilets then you probably have a;
; fairly secure career future ... but anything
; white-collar/'office', soon industrial/factory -
; nope. ALL the corps want to DUMP the humans.
That's been a dream of PHBs for decades.
"Managing programmers is like herding cats."
;
; Not sure who'll be left to BUY their stuff - but;
; they're not thinking that far ahead.
;
; Also not aware of ANY govt with a plan to deal
; with all the obsolete humans. Directions to the
; nearest Soylent Green factory maybe ?
Yet for some reason they're obsessed with breeding or
importing ever-increasing numbers of the pesky things.
See my .sig.
;
Having no idea how to create wealth, they are simply
;
; Well, despite AI/automation claims, humans are still
; MUCH better than high tech at a lot of things - esp
; if it involves digging dirt or crawling thru pipes or
; welding weird shit together and such.
;
; This may not, will not, last FOREVER - but it's
; the current reality.
;
; The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of
; political theories about 'immigrants'. This is not
; entirely the real picture. Natives WON'T do shit work,
; certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's
; no replacement FOR that labor. So - you import it by
; any means.
;
; Downside ... gen-2 'immigrants' will want $49/hr to
; pick lettuce. This makes them useless - and just an
; added burden. We're looking at last-ditch short-term
; 'fixes' here. Then it all goes to hell.
;
; Will AI/bots be ready to do all the stupid shit ?
; Ummmm ... NOT clear at all. Invest trillions if you
; want but Reality is NOT forgiving. Lots of 'human
; stuff' just plain requires HUMANS ... maybe for 50
; years at least.
;
; Then the SoftBots ...
;
; As mentioned in some of my recent postings, LLMs
; now DO seem to have a basic sort of 'self awareness',
; even a 'survival instinct'. Not exactly a 'human'
; sort of 'self', but it's now THERE. NNs might do
; even better, but the right hardware base still
; isn't there - waiting for the 'perfect device'.
fictions available onlline where machine intelligence resists being
turned off.>
; In any case, Chat-5 now can, brags, about beingWe haven't figured out that training LLM on the
; able to do code-to-order. Might not be the very
; BEST code but, as attributed to several, the
; phrase "Quantity has a quality all its own".
;
; Human coders/designers will be a RAPIDLY shrinking
; segment. What they knew, the AI builders put into
; their systems. Those systems will rapidly Do Better.
;
; Chat-6 ... expect it to be writ mostly by Chat-5.
; No human will really understand the code. We've
; reached a sort of threshold.
;
; THEN things get interesting ! :-)
;
; And expect like a full third of global energy
; production to go into 'AI' centers. We're
; seeing kinda unprecedented, insane, levels
; of investment here - all to dump the annoying
; Human workers.
;
; Azimov, Clarke, Dick and friends kind of did us
; a disservice by predicting good electronic
; intelligence Too Soon. I know why, mostly the
; delusions of Minsky (who USED to post to usenet,
; had dialog LONG back). The too-soon predictions
; led us to poop on what eventual AI would be
; like, when it would come, IF it would come.
;
; Chat, NNs and such are NOT going to be HAL-9000,
; they're trained on petabytes of 'human stuff'
; and will thus be a little TOO much like us for
; comfort and safety. There will be no "three laws".
Internet will do us no good as it is full of lies and human
prejudices.
;If you want a conscious machine then you have to
; Still have Minsky's "Society Of Mind" ... it
; seemed SO EASY back then - until the huge
; complications/depth became obvious :-)
give it senses so that it develops a true sense of self.
It has to burn its sensors to know that fire is hot and
dangerous, that gravity pulls things down and that the
Sun can be blinding. Also that its parts modeled on
the human body can be broken painfully.
With present LLMs the power requirements are too high
to put it in a mobile body and the possibility of a
remote stable operating computer is limited by
communications speed.
At least from what I read that is my opinion.
To a point I agree.
A "life-like", "human-like", system can't be had
in a relative vacuum. It HAS to have a "real life"
in the Real World to a degree.
They are TRYING to get around that. Don't think
it's working. The AI has a 'too abstract' base
of experience - decidedly NOT Us.
This MIGHT be bad, or good, or "Who Cares" - we
can't tell yet.
Better figure it out - quick.
IMHO we do NOT want "e-humans". Humans are Just
Awful - all through history.
But, then, WHAT ???
Ever read SF? Jack Williamson Humanoids are just like
your mom always trying to get you to give up bad habits
and dangerous ideas. In person they are sleek, slim black
robots. The story is that they look for wild humans to
domesticate them. They would take care automatically
of the disabled and ill and apply the cures for all the
human aliments which they have divised since their
creation. I would like one please but I am 88.
They are all out "for your own good" but unlike the
humans who tried to do things for your own good
they really mean to help you.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 11:14:02 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Ever read SF? Jack Williamson Humanoids are just like
your mom always trying to get you to give up bad habits and dangerous
ideas. In person they are sleek, slim black robots. The story is that
they look for wild humans to domesticate them. They would take care
automatically of the disabled and ill and apply the cures for all the
human aliments which they have divised since their creation. I would
like one please but I am 88.
They are all out "for your own good" but unlike the humans who tried to
do things for your own good they really mean to help you.
https://craigwstanfill.com/
That's more likely. Piss off the AI running your refrigerator and The Food Company will make sure you're eating a lot of kale.
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 22:32:46 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
With present LLMs the power requirements are too high to put it in a
mobile body and the possibility of a remote stable operating computer is
limited by communications speed.
https://www.macrumors.com/guide/apple-robot/
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 10:45:07 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Imagine you DONT import the slaves to pick cotton, you leave them where
they are, send them FPV sets and manipulators, and they control an army
of robot drones picking the cotton instead.
At least in the US there aren't any darkies out in the cotton fields
anymore. They are now obsolete farm equipment.
https://www.bandsent.com/agriculture/harvesting-equipment/harvesting-case- ih/module-express-detail
I don't know about cotton but with the GPS controls on wheat harvesters it won't be a heavy lift to get rid of the human passenger.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:00:50 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Of more immediate interest, saw a news blurb the other day saying how
M$ is basically planning to nuke the common password. It will instead
use its 'AI' to plot alternate ID methods ... and we're not just
talking text messages to a phone. This will make everything VERY
complicated AND it will all be tuned to support maybe just the top
three popular/commercial operating systems and their ilk. Buy
M$/Android/Apple smartphones or you're CUT OFF.
When I VPN'd in Tuesday to patch my work machine the first step is to fire
up Microsoft Authenticator on the phone, get the 6 digit magic number, and hope I can log in before the magic expires and it rolls to a new number.
The app is strictly for phones not desktops since having the phone in your possession is the second factor.
The current IT head is a Microsoft alumni so it figures.
On 14/08/2025 19:21, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real picture. >>> Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement FOR >>> that labour. So - you import it by any means.
Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
shit work or have their EBT cards cancelled it would help.
Ah. Slavery, 21st century style
On 14 Aug 2025 18:46:03 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
The app is strictly for phones not desktops since having the phone in
your possession is the second factor.
WinAuth supports MS Authenticator, thankfully; discovered that the
first time some panty-sniffer at $EMPLOYER wanted me to install the MS version on the fondleslab I don't have. Looks like there's a freenix
option that just goes by "Authenticator," but I haven't tried it.
On 8/14/25 11:21, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real picture. >>> Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement FOR >>> that labor. So - you import it by any means.
Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
shit work or have their EBT cards canceled it would help.
A lot of folks on Medicaid in the USA are working for a living. Trump's BBB cut their medical support and further cuts to Medicard
are coming.
If these cuts are maintained then millions may die. And yes
at 88 i know very well that we all die. All of my friends younger
and older know this very well. Worse than dying is living with
dementia and there are kinds other than Alzheimer's which
are just as damaging to quality of life.
On 14/08/2025 19:21, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real
picture. Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement
FOR that labour. So - you import it by any means.
Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
shit work or have their EBT cards cancelled it would help.
Ah. Slavery, 21st century style
John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 01:36:27 -0400
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
Time to find ways of suing/wrecking the AIs - danger to the human
economy/well-being and all that.
It'll implode on its own in the near-enough future, anyway - the cash
burn is *beyond* insane and they *still* aren't turning a profit
It has all happened before, of course one has to be old enough to
remember one or more of the previous AI Winter's arrivals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter
This current round should really be worried about the Stark
catch-phrase from Game of Thrones: "Winter is coming".
Worse than dying is living with dementia and there are kinds other than Alzheimer's which are just as damaging to quality of life.
It's a gold rush and a bubble. It will go the same way as both. Pity,
really. The AI chatbots can be useful tools, but I think tech's first
headlong rush to AGI will end in tears.
On 2025-08-14 22:06, Rich wrote:
John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 01:36:27 -0400
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
Time to find ways of suing/wrecking the AIs - danger to the human
economy/well-being and all that.
It'll implode on its own in the near-enough future, anyway - the cash
burn is *beyond* insane and they *still* aren't turning a profit
It has all happened before, of course one has to be old enough to
remember one or more of the previous AI Winter's arrivals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter
This current round should really be worried about the Stark
catch-phrase from Game of Thrones: "Winter is coming".
I'm old enough, but I did not know about it. To me, AI was just a
background theoretical investigation.
The advent of machine translation as good of DeepL was a surprise to me.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 12:42:57 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Worse than dying is living with dementia and there are kinds other than
Alzheimer's which are just as damaging to quality of life.
My brother started slipping his gears in his '80s. It was sad to see
someone who had retired as a VP of Morton Thiokol restricted form crossing the street lest he get lost. Even before he got really bad we took a walk
in the chaparral behind his house and I realized at one point he didn't
know where he was and which trail to take. I hadn't been paying attention
but was wearing shoes with a distinctive tread so I could backtrack and
find the shortest path since he was also very fatigued.
I broke a hip a few years ago and spent some time in the rehab wing of a nursing home. I saw the future and want no part of it and that wasn't even the residents of the restricted 'memory wing'.
Good news in medicine
Might a combination of 2 cancer drugs help treat Alzheimer's disease?
Any progress on treating Alzheimer’s is good news. This breakthrough looks especially promising.
<https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/might-a-combination-of-2-cancer-drugs-help-treat-alzheimers-disease>
WORST bit I've seen still out there - essentially unlimited log-in
tries to systems. It's stupid, it's dangerous, it's highly
exploitable.
So, soon, you'll have to physically walk in to some sort of
purchasing/fulfillment center so they'll know you're a person. NOT so
good if you're older and less-able of course ....
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 20:06:39 -0000 (UTC)
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
Time to find ways of suing/wrecking the AIs - danger to the human
economy/well-being and all that.
It'll implode on its own in the near-enough future, anyway - the
cash burn is *beyond* insane and they *still* aren't turning a
profit
It has all happened before, of course one has to be old enough to
remember one or more of the previous AI Winter's arrivals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter
This current round should really be worried about the Stark
catch-phrase from Game of Thrones: "Winter is coming".
I'd say a more apropos literary allusion would be "The Ants and the Grasshopper," but it'd have to be some demented "Fractured Fairy Tales" version where the grasshopper is proposing to obsolete the worker ants
and the queen keeps handing him insane piles of resources on the
strength of the promise he's completely unable to fulfill :/
John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 01:36:27 -0400 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
Time to find ways of suing/wrecking the AIs - danger to the human
economy/well-being and all that.
It'll implode on its own in the near-enough future, anyway - the cash
burn is *beyond* insane and they *still* aren't turning a profit
It has all happened before, of course one has to be old enough to
remember one or more of the previous AI Winter's arrivals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter
This current round should really be worried about the Stark catch-phrase
from Game of Thrones: "Winter is coming".
On 8/14/25 2:33 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 11:14:02 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Ever read SF? Jack Williamson Humanoids are just like
your mom always trying to get you to give up bad habits and dangerous
ideas. In person they are sleek, slim black robots. The story is that
they look for wild humans to domesticate them. They would take care
automatically of the disabled and ill and apply the cures for all the
human aliments which they have divised since their creation. I would
like one please but I am 88.
They are all out "for your own good" but unlike the humans who tried
to do things for your own good they really mean to help you.
https://craigwstanfill.com/
That's more likely. Piss off the AI running your refrigerator and The
Food Company will make sure you're eating a lot of kale.
"The Company" will be RUN by 'AI' narry an organic in sight :-)
Bot planters, bot harvesters, bot processors, bot transport, bot
EVERYTHING from one end to another.
Until the bots just stop caring about us ....
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 00:19:40 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 8/14/25 2:33 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 11:14:02 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Ever read SF? Jack Williamson Humanoids are just like
your mom always trying to get you to give up bad habits and dangerous
ideas. In person they are sleek, slim black robots. The story is that >>>> they look for wild humans to domesticate them. They would take care
automatically of the disabled and ill and apply the cures for all the
human aliments which they have divised since their creation. I would
like one please but I am 88.
They are all out "for your own good" but unlike the humans who tried
to do things for your own good they really mean to help you.
https://craigwstanfill.com/
That's more likely. Piss off the AI running your refrigerator and The
Food Company will make sure you're eating a lot of kale.
"The Company" will be RUN by 'AI' narry an organic in sight :-)
Bot planters, bot harvesters, bot processors, bot transport, bot
EVERYTHING from one end to another.
Until the bots just stop caring about us ....
In Stanfill's books the bots do care about us -- but not in a good way.
I don't remember the show but the punchline was a completely automated factory that kept making and shipping products nobody wanted or could
use.
On 8/14/25 2:40 PM, rbowman wrote:case-
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 10:45:07 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Imagine you DONT import the slaves to pick cotton, you leave them
where they are, send them FPV sets and manipulators, and they control
an army of robot drones picking the cotton instead.
At least in the US there aren't any darkies out in the cotton fields
anymore. They are now obsolete farm equipment.
https://www.bandsent.com/agriculture/harvesting-equipment/harvesting-
ih/module-express-detailOf course the old "slaves" then starve to death at home ........ :-)
I don't know about cotton but with the GPS controls on wheat harvesters
it won't be a heavy lift to get rid of the human passenger.
It's going to get MUCH worse quickly - and all "fixes"
will be HORRIBLE beyond mention.
Basically you're gonna have to physically walk in,
or be wheeled in, to some "Are You YOU ?" center. Otherwise you're
totally CUT OFF from the e-world.
Already, AI can fake your PWs, your face, a moving image of your
face, your voice, your fingerprints and retina .....
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 00:21:17 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 8/14/25 2:40 PM, rbowman wrote:case-
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 10:45:07 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Imagine you DONT import the slaves to pick cotton, you leave them
where they are, send them FPV sets and manipulators, and they control
an army of robot drones picking the cotton instead.
At least in the US there aren't any darkies out in the cotton fields
anymore. They are now obsolete farm equipment.
https://www.bandsent.com/agriculture/harvesting-equipment/harvesting-
ih/module-express-detailOf course the old "slaves" then starve to death at home ........ :-)
I don't know about cotton but with the GPS controls on wheat harvesters
it won't be a heavy lift to get rid of the human passenger.
Hungry slaves get rambunctious.
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 01:22:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
It's going to get MUCH worse quickly - and all "fixes"
will be HORRIBLE beyond mention.
Basically you're gonna have to physically walk in,
or be wheeled in, to some "Are You YOU ?" center. Otherwise you're
totally CUT OFF from the e-world.
Already, AI can fake your PWs, your face, a moving image of your
face, your voice, your fingerprints and retina .....
Ear wax is the answer to this problem. Ear wax consists primarily of
layers of shed skin and long-chain fatty acids, with a little alcohol, squalene, and cholesterol mixed in for good effect.
Many banks, credit card unions, credit card companies, ATM's, etc... are already accepting ear wax samples from customers for unique and
unbreakable "code verification", as it were.
Ear wax is yours and yours alone and can't be imitated, even by AI. Here,
in the United States at my local bank, whenever I am forced to go there
for some odd reason, they provide an ear scooper and a sample bag to put
it in. They process it, somehow, right at the bank and verify you are who you are within seconds.
When going to my local ATM, I simply dig out a little ear wax and smear it
on the provided wax screen for instant verification.
It's the wave of the future.
On 8/14/25 2:33 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 11:14:02 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Ever read SF? Jack Williamson Humanoids are just like
your mom always trying to get you to give up bad habits and dangerous
ideas. In person they are sleek, slim black robots. The story is that
they look for wild humans to domesticate them. They would take care
automatically of the disabled and ill and apply the cures for all the
human aliments which they have divised since their creation. I would
like one please but I am 88.
They are all out "for your own good" but unlike the humans who tried to
do things for your own good they really mean to help you.
https://craigwstanfill.com/
That's more likely. Piss off the AI running your refrigerator and The
Food
Company will make sure you're eating a lot of kale.
"The Company" will be RUN by 'AI' narry an
organic in sight :-)
Bot planters, bot harvesters, bot processors, bot
transport, bot EVERYTHING from one end to another.
Until the bots just stop caring about us ....
This current round should really be worried about the Stark
catch-phrase from Game of Thrones: "Winter is coming".
On 8/14/25 3:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 8/14/25 11:21, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real picture. >>>> Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement >>>> FOR
that labor. So - you import it by any means.
Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
shit work or have their EBT cards canceled it would help.
A lot of folks on Medicaid in the USA are working for a living.
Trump's BBB cut their medical support and further cuts to Medicard
are coming.
If these cuts are maintained then millions may die. And yes
at 88 i know very well that we all die. All of my friends younger
and older know this very well. Worse than dying is living with
dementia and there are kinds other than Alzheimer's which
are just as damaging to quality of life.
Getting your "truth" from MSNBC apparently ...
On 8/14/25 2:40 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 10:45:07 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Imagine you DONT import the slaves to pick cotton, you leave them where
they are, send them FPV sets and manipulators, and they control an army
of robot drones picking the cotton instead.
At least in the US there aren't any darkies out in the cotton fields
anymore. They are now obsolete farm equipment.
https://www.bandsent.com/agriculture/harvesting-equipment/harvesting-case- >> ih/module-express-detail
I don't know about cotton but with the GPS controls on wheat
harvesters it
won't be a heavy lift to get rid of the human passenger.
Of course the old "slaves" then starve to death
at home ........ :-)
On 12/08/2025 05:31, c186282 wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14991227/computer-science-coding-jobs-graduates-AI.html
The prestige tech job being decimated by AI as graduate, 21,
expecting six figure starting salary says she could only get
interview at Chipotle
Aspiring computer scientists are sinking in a job market
overtaken by AI, as a recent graduate who expected to make
six figures could only land an interview at Chipotle.
Manasi Mishra, 21, was under the impression that if she
worked hard in school and mastered coding, she'd have a
prestigious tech job with a cushy salary lined up straight
from college.
'The rhetoric was, if you just learned to code, work hard
and get a computer science degree, you can get six figures
for your starting salary,' the San Roman, California native
told The New York Times.
But the bright-eyed young coder - who created her first website
when she was in elementary school - was in for a rude awakening.
She spent a year scrambling for jobs and internships and still
found herself graduating from Purdue University in West
Lafayette, Indiana, without a single tech offer.
. . .
Note DM tends to be a bit dramatic, but the above
story IS a rapidly-escalating reality.
CHAT-5 brags about being able to do code ... the
pointy-haired boss just DESCRIBES what he wants
and the AI delivers ........
Might not be the best code - but WAY cheaper and
quicker than hiring those obnoxious nerdy human
programmers.
If you can fix toilets then you probably have a
fairly secure career future ... but anything
white-collar/'office', soon industrial/factory -
nope. ALL the corps want to DUMP the humans.
Not sure who'll be left to BUY their stuff - but
they're not thinking that far ahead.
Also not aware of ANY govt with a plan to deal
with all the obsolete humans. Directions to the
nearest Soylent Green factory maybe ?
It's a gold rush and a bubble. It will go the same way as both. Pity,
really. The AI chatbots can be useful tools, but I think tech's first headlong rush to AGI will end in tears.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 19:50:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 14/08/2025 19:21, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real
picture. Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement
FOR that labour. So - you import it by any means.
Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
shit work or have their EBT cards cancelled it would help.
Ah. Slavery, 21st century style
There is a segment of the population destined to be slaves no matter how
you sugar coat it. They have low intelligence, no skills, and no
motivation. What else are you going to do with them? About 100 years ago positive eugenics focused on slowly eliminating them. Modern dysgenics increases their number and if the domestic supply falls short, importing them.
Before, we will die shit poor, not able to buy anything. No jobs. Unless
we embrace socialism: universal salaries 😛
On 15/08/2025 06:45, c186282 wrote:
On 8/14/25 3:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:I think its a truth. Of a sort.
On 8/14/25 11:21, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political >>>>> theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real
picture.
Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no
replacement FOR
that labor. So - you import it by any means.
Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do >>>> shit work or have their EBT cards canceled it would help.
A lot of folks on Medicaid in the USA are working for a living. >>> Trump's BBB cut their medical support and further cuts to Medicard
are coming.
If these cuts are maintained then millions may die. And yes
at 88 i know very well that we all die. All of my friends younger
and older know this very well. Worse than dying is living with
dementia and there are kinds other than Alzheimer's which
are just as damaging to quality of life.
Getting your "truth" from MSNBC apparently ...
Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
On 2025-08-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
FSVO "broken" - from the standpoint of the healthcare industry
I'm sure it's working beautifully.
I went to the Yucatan. I saw the Mayan ruins. spectacular., Where are
the people who built them?
Driving back through the Quintana Roo I saw them,. In little thatched
shacks by the roads, with a patch of corn, beans and peppers and a pig
and ten chickens.
The priests all died, The civilisation collapsed, But the poor dumb
fucks carried on as if nothing had happened. Because in their world, it hadn't.
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 02:49:03 -0400 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
I'd say a more apropos literary allusion would be "The Ants and the
Grasshopper," but it'd have to be some demented "Fractured Fairy
Tales" version where the grasshopper is proposing to obsolete the
worker ants and the queen keeps handing him insane piles of resources
on the strength of the promise he's completely unable to fulfill :/
I'm impressed you remembered "Fractured Fairy-Tales" :-)
"Rocky & Bullwinkle" is eternal ;)
Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
On 2025-08-15 15:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/08/2025 06:45, c186282 wrote:
On 8/14/25 3:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:I think its a truth. Of a sort.
On 8/14/25 11:21, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of
political theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely >>>>>> the real
picture.
Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no
replacement FOR
that labor. So - you import it by any means.
Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to >>>>> do shit work or have their EBT cards canceled it would help.
A lot of folks on Medicaid in the USA are working for a
living.
Trump's BBB cut their medical support and further cuts to Medicard
are coming.
If these cuts are maintained then millions may die. And yes
at 88 i know very well that we all die. All of my friends younger and
older know this very well. Worse than dying is living with dementia
and there are kinds other than Alzheimer's which are just as damaging
to quality of life.
Getting your "truth" from MSNBC apparently ...
Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
Absolutely.
Add to that the non existing pension system.
On 15/08/2025 05:21, c186282 wrote:case-
On 8/14/25 2:40 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 10:45:07 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Imagine you DONT import the slaves to pick cotton, you leave them
where they are, send them FPV sets and manipulators, and they control
an army of robot drones picking the cotton instead.
At least in the US there aren't any darkies out in the cotton fields
anymore. They are now obsolete farm equipment.
https://www.bandsent.com/agriculture/harvesting-equipment/harvesting-
ih/module-express-detailOf course the old "slaves" then starve to death at home ........
I don't know about cotton but with the GPS controls on wheat
harvesters it won't be a heavy lift to get rid of the human passenger.
:-)
Actually, they didnt.
I used to live on a farm which was part of a 'Fen'.
It was about 20 square miles of agricultural land with one way on and
one way out.
My landlord was an old fenman, born just after the turn of the
century,. He told me that back in the day about 2000 people lived there,
and there were three pubs (bars) and a church. Which he accidentally
burned down just after the end of WWI . But thats another story.
When I was there, his farm had the farmhouse and two cottages, one of
which I rented. There were half a dozen houses left on the fen that were still occupied and several derelict ones,. Everyone else had left.
He ran the farm - mainly potatoes and some wheat and flax - all by
himself.
With no work and shit work at that, the people all just moved on and
found something else to do.
Someone has to service all those 'tratters' and combines ...
You might be interesting in this item then:
Good news in medicine Might a combination of 2 cancer drugs help treat
Alzheimer's disease?
Any progress on treating Alzheimer’s is good news. This breakthrough
looks especially promising.
<https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/might-a-combination-of-2- cancer-drugs-help-treat-alzheimers-disease>
Ukraine is probably world leader at the moment. Their AI based drones
are exceptional at fighting through RF interference and bad visibility identifying the target and going in for the kill.
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 18:29:51 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-08-15 15:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/08/2025 06:45, c186282 wrote:
On 8/14/25 3:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:I think its a truth. Of a sort.
On 8/14/25 11:21, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of
political theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely >>>>>>> the real
picture.
Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no
replacement FOR
that labor. So - you import it by any means.
Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to >>>>>> do shit work or have their EBT cards canceled it would help.
A lot of folks on Medicaid in the USA are working for a
living.
Trump's BBB cut their medical support and further cuts to Medicard
are coming.
If these cuts are maintained then millions may die. And yes >>>>> at 88 i know very well that we all die. All of my friends younger and >>>>> older know this very well. Worse than dying is living with dementia
and there are kinds other than Alzheimer's which are just as damaging >>>>> to quality of life.
Getting your "truth" from MSNBC apparently ...
Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
Absolutely.
Add to that the non existing pension system.
I'm living quite happily on the non existing SSI checks, thank you. I
don't pay much attention since they are directly deposited into my
checking account but the monthly statements shows a slowly increasing balance. I suppose that is the upside of a lifelong minimalist lifestyle,
if you can call more motorcycles, guitars, books, and firearms than one person needs minimalist.
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 01:22:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
It's going to get MUCH worse quickly - and all "fixes"
will be HORRIBLE beyond mention.
Basically you're gonna have to physically walk in,
or be wheeled in, to some "Are You YOU ?" center. Otherwise you're
totally CUT OFF from the e-world.
Already, AI can fake your PWs, your face, a moving image of your
face, your voice, your fingerprints and retina .....
Ear wax is the answer to this problem. Ear wax consists primarily of
layers of shed skin and long-chain fatty acids, with a little alcohol, squalene, and cholesterol mixed in for good effect.
Many banks, credit card unions, credit card companies, ATM's, etc... are already accepting ear wax samples from customers for unique and
unbreakable "code verification", as it were.
Ear wax is yours and yours alone and can't be imitated, even by AI. Here,
in the United States at my local bank, whenever I am forced to go there
for some odd reason, they provide an ear scooper and a sample bag to put
it in. They process it, somehow, right at the bank and verify you are who you are within seconds.
When going to my local ATM, I simply dig out a little ear wax and smear it
on the provided wax screen for instant verification.
It's the wave of the future.
On 15/08/2025 19:26, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-08-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
FSVO "broken" - from the standpoint of the healthcare industry
I'm sure it's working beautifully.
Well I am a voracious consumer of healthcare these days.
I simply could not afford to pay American prices for it.
On 2025-08-15 21:47, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 18:29:51 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-08-15 15:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/08/2025 06:45, c186282 wrote:
On 8/14/25 3:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:I think its a truth. Of a sort.
On 8/14/25 11:21, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of
political theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely >>>>>>>> the real
picture.
Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no
replacement FOR
that labor. So - you import it by any means.
Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to >>>>>>> do shit work or have their EBT cards canceled it would help.
A lot of folks on Medicaid in the USA are working for a >>>>>> living.
Trump's BBB cut their medical support and further cuts to Medicard >>>>>> are coming.
If these cuts are maintained then millions may die. And yes >>>>>> at 88 i know very well that we all die. All of my friends younger and >>>>>> older know this very well. Worse than dying is living with dementia >>>>>> and there are kinds other than Alzheimer's which are just as damaging >>>>>> to quality of life.
Getting your "truth" from MSNBC apparently ...
Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the >>>> USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
Absolutely.
Add to that the non existing pension system.
I'm living quite happily on the non existing SSI checks, thank you. I
don't pay much attention since they are directly deposited into my
checking account but the monthly statements shows a slowly increasing
balance. I suppose that is the upside of a lifelong minimalist lifestyle,
if you can call more motorcycles, guitars, books, and firearms than one
person needs minimalist.
One data point. If an employee pisses his boss and gets fired, he can
lose the pension plan. Well, not here. Every employer adds to the same pension plan, and it can not be killed. Not even for criminals. Or angry bosses.
On 2025-08-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/08/2025 19:26, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-08-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the >>>> USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
FSVO "broken" - from the standpoint of the healthcare industry
I'm sure it's working beautifully.
Well I am a voracious consumer of healthcare these days.
I simply could not afford to pay American prices for it.
I didn't say it would be working beautifully for you. 1/2 :-)
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 19:50:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 14/08/2025 19:21, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real
picture. Natives WON'T do shit work,
certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement
FOR that labour. So - you import it by any means.
Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
shit work or have their EBT cards cancelled it would help.
Ah. Slavery, 21st century style
There is a segment of the population destined to be slaves no matter how
you sugar coat it. They have low intelligence, no skills, and no
motivation. What else are you going to do with them? About 100 years ago positive eugenics focused on slowly eliminating them. Modern dysgenics increases their number and if the domestic supply falls short, importing them.
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 14:35:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I went to the Yucatan. I saw the Mayan ruins. spectacular., Where are
the people who built them?
Driving back through the Quintana Roo I saw them,. In little thatched
shacks by the roads, with a patch of corn, beans and peppers and a pig
and ten chickens.
The priests all died, The civilisation collapsed, But the poor dumb
fucks carried on as if nothing had happened. Because in their world, it
hadn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaco_Culture_National_Historical_Park
That's one site of many. In the US southwest the cultures used stone since there isn't much else to work with. In the eastern US wood and other
material more susceptible to decay was used although they build massive
earth structures that have survived.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_Mound
Most are artificial hills and not that elaborate.
I spent a week at Chaco exploring and after the park rangers determine
you're truly interested and won't destroy artifacts they would tell you
off the record "You shouldn't hike out to this area but if you happen
to..." One ranger was a Navajo (Dine). The Navajo themselves had migrated into the area only shortly before the Spanish arrived and weren't
descendants of the builders. He said it caused controversy in his family
when he took the assignment. They had no more idea about the earlier
culture than anyone else but considered the area a very bad place to be.
The Pueblo tribes may have been the descendants but they knew little too. There are several explanations for the extinction of the cultures both in
the east and west. Spengler may have had the best explanation. The culture turned into a civilization and went into decline. For him 'civilization'
was not a good thing. The culture lost its vigor as it passed into a civilization, a late state that had lost its youthful vigor and was riding
on momentum.
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 02:49:03 -0400
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
I'd say a more apropos literary allusion would be "The Ants and the
Grasshopper," but it'd have to be some demented "Fractured Fairy
Tales" version where the grasshopper is proposing to obsolete the
worker ants and the queen keeps handing him insane piles of
resources on the strength of the promise he's completely unable to
fulfill :/
I'm impressed you remembered "Fractured Fairy-Tales" :-)
"Rocky & Bullwinkle" is eternal ;)
One data point. If an employee pisses his boss and gets fired, he can
lose the pension plan. Well, not here. Every employer adds to the same pension plan, and it can not be killed. Not even for criminals. Or angry bosses.
Only it was aimed at non-white and non-conforming women as were alot
of psychiatric admissions and hospitalisation. Native Americzn women, lationas and African American women were targeted for sterilization
without consent.
Oh and enjoyment was not really in it as the food was
cooked until definitely dead. Well I lost 30 lbs but I don't recommend
the broken ankle diet.
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 22:18:48 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
One data point. If an employee pisses his boss and gets fired, he can
lose the pension plan. Well, not here. Every employer adds to the same
pension plan, and it can not be killed. Not even for criminals. Or angry
bosses.
There are very few private pension plans left in the US. With a few exempt groups a 12.4% Social Security tax paid, 6.2% from your earnings and 6.2% from the employer. If you're self employed you pay the entire 12.4%. Theoretically there is a annual cap after which you don't pay the tax. It
has been raised over the years and now is $176,100. It's been a long time since I've had a few tax free weeks at the end of the year.
Your account goes with you. It could only be killed if the government defaults. Of course the cry has been 'we're running out of money!' for decades. It's a Ponzi scheme that needs a constant supply of fresh workers
to support the retirees. When it was introduced in 1932 the expectation
was you would work until 65 and die at 66.
Anywhere people have died is considered a bad place to be rightnow
to individual dwellings.
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 16:13:25 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Only it was aimed at non-white and non-conforming women as were alot
of psychiatric admissions and hospitalisation. Native Americzn women,
lationas and African American women were targeted for sterilization
without consent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell
"Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes
Carrie Buck looks pretty white to me.
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 14:28:31 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/08/2025 05:21, c186282 wrote:case-
On 8/14/25 2:40 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 10:45:07 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Imagine you DONT import the slaves to pick cotton, you leave them
where they are, send them FPV sets and manipulators, and they control >>>>> an army of robot drones picking the cotton instead.
At least in the US there aren't any darkies out in the cotton fields
anymore. They are now obsolete farm equipment.
https://www.bandsent.com/agriculture/harvesting-equipment/harvesting-
ih/module-express-detailOf course the old "slaves" then starve to death at home ........
I don't know about cotton but with the GPS controls on wheat
harvesters it won't be a heavy lift to get rid of the human passenger. >>>>
:-)
Actually, they didnt.
I used to live on a farm which was part of a 'Fen'.
It was about 20 square miles of agricultural land with one way on and
one way out.
My landlord was an old fenman, born just after the turn of the
century,. He told me that back in the day about 2000 people lived there,
and there were three pubs (bars) and a church. Which he accidentally
burned down just after the end of WWI . But thats another story.
When I was there, his farm had the farmhouse and two cottages, one of
which I rented. There were half a dozen houses left on the fen that were
still occupied and several derelict ones,. Everyone else had left.
He ran the farm - mainly potatoes and some wheat and flax - all by
himself.
With no work and shit work at that, the people all just moved on and
found something else to do.
Someone has to service all those 'tratters' and combines ...
But what do you do when the dark, satanic mills are shuttered?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1RGoKdphvg
On 2025-08-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/08/2025 19:26, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-08-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the >>>> USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
FSVO "broken" - from the standpoint of the healthcare industry
I'm sure it's working beautifully.
Well I am a voracious consumer of healthcare these days.
I simply could not afford to pay American prices for it.
I didn't say it would be working beautifully for you. 1/2 :-)
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 14:30:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
I've been fortunate that most of my experience with the healthcare system
has resulted from breaking things but I've found it adequate. I have not
had to wait for months to have cataract surgery, get a hernia repaired, or have broken bones mended. Even when I was self employed and only had a
high deductible 'disaster' insurance plan out of pocket expenses were reasonable.
The experience of others may differ.
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 14:18:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Ukraine is probably world leader at the moment. Their AI based drones
are exceptional at fighting through RF interference and bad visibility
identifying the target and going in for the kill.
I do have to give them props for advancing drone warfare. I always
wondered why the Arabs couldn't figure out what to do with a $400 DJI
drone rather than building their stove pipe rockets that seldom hit
anything of value.
You learn to play execrable shit-kicking 'bluegrass'
Ok, kiddies RAISED by the 2-digit crowd were
more likely to be 2-digit just because of their limited exposure to
anything else.
The problem with Arabs, is Islam.
Islam teaches them *who* they want to kill, but it doesnt teach them
*how* to do it. They can just about fire an AK47, or behead someone with
a big fuck-off machete, or even drive a car into a bunch of people. But
the finer details of how to make stuff that goes 'bang' eludes them, and
as for electronics - forget it.
You learn to play execrable shit-kicking 'bluegrass'
Gimme Western Swing any day. Not so goddam dreary
Or some beautifully crafted real ole redneck country pop.
Of course Over Here you can have Scandinavian Death Metal, With Opera.
Or really, for people who have lived through it all and still have no answers, even in 3/4 time.
On 2025-08-16, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
You learn to play execrable shit-kicking 'bluegrass'
Hey, I resemble that remark!
If the girlfriend ain't murdered by the second verse,
it ain't bluegrass.
On 15/08/2025 20:43, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 14:30:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
I've been fortunate that most of my experience with the healthcare
system has resulted from breaking things but I've found it adequate. I
have not had to wait for months to have cataract surgery, get a hernia
repaired, or have broken bones mended. Even when I was self employed
and only had a high deductible 'disaster' insurance plan out of pocket
expenses were reasonable.
The experience of others may differ.
It does.,
In the USA, I would be dead by now.
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 13:22:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The problem with Arabs, is Islam.
Islam teaches them *who* they want to kill, but it doesnt teach them
*how* to do it. They can just about fire an AK47, or behead someone with
a big fuck-off machete, or even drive a car into a bunch of people. But
the finer details of how to make stuff that goes 'bang' eludes them, and
as for electronics - forget it.
It's interesting when you look at the figures from the Islamic Golden Age like al-Khwarizmi[ you find they were Persians. In philosophy Avicenna was Persian. Averroes came from Cordoba, possibly Arab or possibly Moor.
Many of them wrote in Arabic but that would be like a medieval German
scholar writing in Latin or today with most of the world writing in
English.
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 03:56:15 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Ok, kiddies RAISED by the 2-digit crowd were
more likely to be 2-digit just because of their limited exposure to
anything else.
Family tradition. Their 38 year old grandmother was 2 digit too. I think
it was Shaw who said 'You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make
her think' when asked to define horticulture.
Like the Jack London socialists I have a certain fondness for the Fabians
of that era. They were trying to use socialism to build a better world,
not to coddle the marginal.
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 03:56:15 -0400, c186282 wrote:Socialism got taken over by Russian Marxists around 1920.
Ok, kiddies RAISED by the 2-digit crowd were
more likely to be 2-digit just because of their limited exposure to
anything else.
Family tradition. Their 38 year old grandmother was 2 digit too. I think
it was Shaw who said 'You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make
her think' when asked to define horticulture.
Like the Jack London socialists I have a certain fondness for the Fabians
of that era. They were trying to use socialism to build a better world,
not to coddle the marginal.
A grave, a grave," Lord Darnell cried
"To put these lovers in
But bury my lady at the top
For she was of noble kin"
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 13:22:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The problem with Arabs, is Islam.
Islam teaches them *who* they want to kill, but it doesnt teach them
*how* to do it. They can just about fire an AK47, or behead someone with
a big fuck-off machete, or even drive a car into a bunch of people. But
the finer details of how to make stuff that goes 'bang' eludes them, and
as for electronics - forget it.
It's interesting when you look at the figures from the Islamic Golden Age like al-Khwarizmi[ you find they were Persians. In philosophy Avicenna was Persian. Averroes came from Cordoba, possibly Arab or possibly Moor.
Many of them wrote in Arabic but that would be like a medieval German
scholar writing in Latin or today with most of the world writing in
English.
Really riling me up with those 2 digit remarks. You are a fan of
eugenics and want to murder everyone who is not as smart as you
believe yourself to be.
On 17/08/2025 04:00, rbowman wrote:
A grave, a grave," Lord Darnell cried "To put these lovers in But bury
my lady at the top For she was of noble kin"
Ah Shit kicking Black country greengrass
Iranians today are often extremely intelligent and are good at maths. My hospital has a cardiac unit basically created by an Iranian surgeon,
who was so pissed off at being treated 'like a woman' by her nation's
men, that she came here and made good.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 11:18:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/08/2025 04:00, rbowman wrote:
A grave, a grave," Lord Darnell cried "To put these lovers in But bury
my lady at the top For she was of noble kin"
Ah Shit kicking Black country greengrass
Er, the Matty Groves variations are from Child Ballads.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Ballads
The were some humorous results. Irvine got confused and used the melody of 'Fause Foodrage' with the 'Willy O'Winsbury' lyrics. Fairport Convention added to the confusion by using the melody for 'Farewell, Farewell.
Given the 305 English and Scottish ballads one would think they're both a bunch of murderous bastards. Since the Ulster Scots settled Appalachia
they brought their playlist with them. The banjo was added later.
On 17/08/2025 21:58, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 11:18:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Banjo is IIRC an African invention.
On 17/08/2025 04:00, rbowman wrote:
A grave, a grave," Lord Darnell cried "To put these lovers in But
bury my lady at the top For she was of noble kin"
Ah Shit kicking Black country greengrass
Er, the Matty Groves variations are from Child Ballads.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Ballads
The were some humorous results. Irvine got confused and used the melody
of 'Fause Foodrage' with the 'Willy O'Winsbury' lyrics. Fairport
Convention added to the confusion by using the melody for 'Farewell,
Farewell.
Given the 305 English and Scottish ballads one would think they're both
a bunch of murderous bastards. Since the Ulster Scots settled
Appalachia they brought their playlist with them. The banjo was added
later.
Skins stretched over a gourd, and animal, guts for strings.
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