https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers-laid-
off/

I've got a couple of Intel processors but they're 4th generation or older
so I doubt I'll see a problem. When I did the Patch Tuesday update on my company laptop yesterday I did notice it was flashing a new Intel update.

I've always favored AMD and my newest boxes are Ryzen 7s. With Intel
seemingly trying to commit suicide in a very messy fashion I wouldn't buy
a new machine with 'Intel Inside'.

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On 8/14/25 12:58 AM, rbowman wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers-laid- off/

I've got a couple of Intel processors but they're 4th generation or older
so I doubt I'll see a problem. When I did the Patch Tuesday update on my company laptop yesterday I did notice it was flashing a new Intel update.

I've always favored AMD and my newest boxes are Ryzen 7s. With Intel seemingly trying to commit suicide in a very messy fashion I wouldn't buy
a new machine with 'Intel Inside'.

I'd always had ISSUES with AMD - and thus
avoid them to this day. They are ALMOST
Intel compatible ... almost ....

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On 2025-08-14 09:08, c186282 wrote:

On 8/14/25 12:58 AM, rbowman wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers-
laid-
off/

I've got a couple of Intel processors but they're 4th generation or older
so I doubt I'll see a problem. When I did the Patch Tuesday update on my
company laptop yesterday I did notice it was flashing a new Intel update.

I've always favored AMD and my newest boxes are Ryzen 7s. With Intel
seemingly trying to commit suicide in a very messy fashion I wouldn't buy
a new machine with 'Intel Inside'.

  I'd always had ISSUES with AMD - and thus
  avoid them to this day. They are ALMOST
  Intel compatible ... almost ....

I had and have trouble with Intel video. My current laptop and desktop
are AMD. Not a single problem.

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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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On 2025-08-14, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2025-08-14 09:08, c186282 wrote:

On 8/14/25 12:58 AM, rbowman wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers-
laid-
off/

I've got a couple of Intel processors but they're 4th generation or older >>> so I doubt I'll see a problem. When I did the Patch Tuesday update on my >>> company laptop yesterday I did notice it was flashing a new Intel update. >>>
I've always favored AMD and my newest boxes are Ryzen 7s. With Intel
seemingly trying to commit suicide in a very messy fashion I wouldn't buy >>> a new machine with 'Intel Inside'.

  I'd always had ISSUES with AMD - and thus
  avoid them to this day. They are ALMOST
  Intel compatible ... almost ....

I had and have trouble with Intel video. My current laptop and desktop
are AMD. Not a single problem.

In general, AMD GPUs have made for smooth experiences in the situations
where I've used them. But two things:

1. I think radeon is among the drivers which for some reason override
the correct resolution information. That is, the display dimensions
are obtained by EDID and this allows to compute the actual
resolution, in a way that'd just make things work, but the driver
overrides that with some default value.

Maybe there's a setting to disable this which I've overlooked, my
workaround has been to resort to setting it with

xrandr --dpi output-id

2. There was an issue with radeon and VGA outputs in some GPUs that
resulted in incorrect colors in the output [1].

Besides that, how's power saving these days? Is this less of a problem
with the newer driver (amdgpu?)?


[1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27478 (But IIRC this
wasn't fully fixed as of 2010? At least I *think* I remember seeing it a
few years after that. Hopefully it's fully fixed now. [2] has a photo of
the issue.)

[2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/548709/comments/9


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On 2025-08-14 11:26, Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2025-08-14, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2025-08-14 09:08, c186282 wrote:

On 8/14/25 12:58 AM, rbowman wrote:

  I'd always had ISSUES with AMD - and thus
  avoid them to this day. They are ALMOST
  Intel compatible ... almost ....

I had and have trouble with Intel video. My current laptop and desktop
are AMD. Not a single problem.

In general, AMD GPUs have made for smooth experiences in the situations
where I've used them. But two things:

1. I think radeon is among the drivers which for some reason override
the correct resolution information. That is, the display dimensions
are obtained by EDID and this allows to compute the actual
resolution, in a way that'd just make things work, but the driver
overrides that with some default value.

Maybe there's a setting to disable this which I've overlooked, my
workaround has been to resort to setting it with

xrandr --dpi output-id

2. There was an issue with radeon and VGA outputs in some GPUs that
resulted in incorrect colors in the output [1].

Besides that, how's power saving these days? Is this less of a problem
with the newer driver (amdgpu?)?

Not a problem in my laptop, AFAIK.

Laicolasse:~ # inxi -G -C
CPU:
Info: 8-core model: AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5875U with Radeon Graphics bits: 64
type: MT MCP cache: L2: 4 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 1600 min/max: 1600/2000 cores: 1: 1600 2: 1600 3: 1600
4: 1600 5: 1600 6: 1600 7: 1600 8: 1600 9: 1600 10: 1600 11: 1600 12: 1600
13: 1600 14: 1600 15: 1600 16: 1600
Graphics:
Device-1: AMD Barcelo driver: amdgpu v: kernel
Device-2: Luxvisions Innotech Integrated RGB Camera driver: uvcvideo
type: USB
Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.1 driver: X:
loaded: amdgpu unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,radeon,vesa dri: radeonsi
gpu: amdgpu resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 23.3.4 renderer: AMD Radeon Graphics (radeonsi
renoir LLVM 17.0.6 DRM 3.57 6.4.0-150600.517.gb0b7b4d-default) Laicolasse:~ #

[1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27478 (But IIRC this
wasn't fully fixed as of 2010? At least I *think* I remember seeing it a
few years after that. Hopefully it's fully fixed now. [2] has a photo of
the issue.)

[2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/548709/comments/9

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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers-laid- off/

What I do not understand about this, why can't the Linux
Foundation hire them ? That would be a good place for
them I think. The last I hear is they are too bust with
AI than anything else :(

I've got a couple of Intel processors but they're 4th generation or
older so I doubt I'll see a problem. When I did the Patch Tuesday
update on my company laptop yesterday I did notice it was flashing
a new Intel update.

Same here

I've always favored AMD and my newest boxes are Ryzen 7s. With
Intel seemingly trying to commit suicide in a very messy fashion
I wouldn't buy a new machine with 'Intel Inside'.

Yes, if I ever buy new, it would be an AMD. And no Nvidia :)

--
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- Paraphrasing Star Wars

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On 14/08/2025 16:38, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

W dniu 14.08.2025 o 09:08, c186282 pisze:

   I'd always had ISSUES with AMD - and thus
   avoid them to this day. They are ALMOST
   Intel compatible ... almost ....

What a stupid sentence! You are backward over 20 years in this! AMD was almost Intel compatible with their AMD 386 and up to Athlon XP
processors. But due to Intel dummies, suddenly AMD develop AMD64, and
shot time ago Intel bought API and ABI license from AMD. So since 2003
Intel is almost AMD compatible!

Lol!

--
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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

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W dniu 14.08.2025 o 09:08, c186282 pisze:

  I'd always had ISSUES with AMD - and thus
  avoid them to this day. They are ALMOST
  Intel compatible ... almost ....

What a stupid sentence! You are backward over 20 years in this! AMD was
almost Intel compatible with their AMD 386 and up to Athlon XP
processors. But due to Intel dummies, suddenly AMD develop AMD64, and
shot time ago Intel bought API and ABI license from AMD. So since 2003
Intel is almost AMD compatible!

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On 14/08/2025 13:59, John McCue wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers-laid- >> off/

What I do not understand about this, why can't the Linux
Foundation hire them ? That would be a good place for
them I think. The last I hear is they are too bust with
AI than anything else :(

I've got a couple of Intel processors but they're 4th generation or
older so I doubt I'll see a problem. When I did the Patch Tuesday
update on my company laptop yesterday I did notice it was flashing
a new Intel update.

Same here

I've always favored AMD and my newest boxes are Ryzen 7s. With
Intel seemingly trying to commit suicide in a very messy fashion
I wouldn't buy a new machine with 'Intel Inside'.

Yes, if I ever buy new, it would be an AMD. And no Nvidia :)

Horses fopr courses. Ive had good luck with Nvidia. Mt friend at the
bleeding edge of mathematical computation, says Intel is the only chip
that has some advanced vector instructions or something .
I am getting fond of ARM base Pis.
Now I know not to expect too much beyond low price



--
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

Frédéric Bastiat

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At Thu, 14 Aug 2025 16:52:15 +0100 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 14/08/2025 13:59, John McCue wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers-laid- >> off/

What I do not understand about this, why can't the Linux
Foundation hire them ? That would be a good place for
them I think. The last I hear is they are too bust with
AI than anything else :(

I've got a couple of Intel processors but they're 4th generation or
older so I doubt I'll see a problem. When I did the Patch Tuesday
update on my company laptop yesterday I did notice it was flashing
a new Intel update.

Same here

I've always favored AMD and my newest boxes are Ryzen 7s. With
Intel seemingly trying to commit suicide in a very messy fashion
I wouldn't buy a new machine with 'Intel Inside'.

Yes, if I ever buy new, it would be an AMD. And no Nvidia :)

Horses fopr courses. Ive had good luck with Nvidia. Mt friend at the
bleeding edge of mathematical computation, says Intel is the only chip
that has some advanced vector instructions or something .
I am getting fond of ARM base Pis.
Now I know not to expect too much beyond low price

I've had *bad* luck with Nvidia. I have no need for their semi-closed driver (I don't really need the accel -- I almost exclusively use only xterms), but had issues with the open source drivers as well as issues with things like the ethernet driver on the AMD motherboard (which had a Nvidia chipset).

Since my AMD motherboard died (after over 10 years of more or less continious operation), I got a Raspberry Pi5. To replace the x86_64's guts it would cost 3x+ what I paided for the Raspberry Pi5, complete with power supply and 256G SSD. Basically I "replaced" a x86_64 ATX tower system with a Raspberry Pi5. About $100 for the complete Raspberry Pi5, vs *at least* $300 to replace the x86_64 ATX system: cheapest Intel desktop processor: $100, cheapest ATX moderboard $100, plus RAM for the motherboard (unknown, but guessing at least $100) -- the case, power supply (fairly recently replaced), and disks from the old system are still good.

AMD motherboards mostly have Nvidia chipsets... (Not that AMD motherboards
and processors are very much cheaper than Intel motherboards and processors.)

At this point the only *working* x86_64 machines I have are an old MacBook running MacOS that I use as a build box and for Zoom and Teams and a virtual x86_64 running on my Raspberry Pi5 (also used as a build box [slow, but so what?]).





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heller@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services

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On 14/08/2025 17:13, Robert Heller wrote:

At Thu, 14 Aug 2025 16:52:15 +0100 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 14/08/2025 13:59, John McCue wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers-laid- >>>> off/

What I do not understand about this, why can't the Linux
Foundation hire them ? That would be a good place for
them I think. The last I hear is they are too bust with
AI than anything else :(

I've got a couple of Intel processors but they're 4th generation or
older so I doubt I'll see a problem. When I did the Patch Tuesday
update on my company laptop yesterday I did notice it was flashing
a new Intel update.

Same here

I've always favored AMD and my newest boxes are Ryzen 7s. With
Intel seemingly trying to commit suicide in a very messy fashion
I wouldn't buy a new machine with 'Intel Inside'.

Yes, if I ever buy new, it would be an AMD. And no Nvidia :)

Horses fopr courses. Ive had good luck with Nvidia. Mt friend at the
bleeding edge of mathematical computation, says Intel is the only chip
that has some advanced vector instructions or something .
I am getting fond of ARM base Pis.
Now I know not to expect too much beyond low price

I've had *bad* luck with Nvidia. I have no need for their semi-closed driver (I don't really need the accel -- I almost exclusively use only xterms), but had issues with the open source drivers as well as issues with things like the
ethernet driver on the AMD motherboard (which had a Nvidia chipset).

Since my AMD motherboard died (after over 10 years of more or less continious operation), I got a Raspberry Pi5. To replace the x86_64's guts it would cost
3x+ what I paided for the Raspberry Pi5, complete with power supply and 256G SSD. Basically I "replaced" a x86_64 ATX tower system with a Raspberry Pi5. About $100 for the complete Raspberry Pi5, vs *at least* $300 to replace the x86_64 ATX system: cheapest Intel desktop processor: $100, cheapest ATX moderboard $100, plus RAM for the motherboard (unknown, but guessing at least $100) -- the case, power supply (fairly recently replaced), and disks from the
old system are still good.

AMD motherboards mostly have Nvidia chipsets... (Not that AMD motherboards and processors are very much cheaper than Intel motherboards and processors.)

At this point the only *working* x86_64 machines I have are an old MacBook running MacOS that I use as a build box and for Zoom and Teams and a virtual x86_64 running on my Raspberry Pi5 (also used as a build box [slow, but so what?]).

I have some old dual Core Intel Core i3 with a scrap Nvidia running in
it for a server.
An i3 laptop and an Intel® Core™ i5-6600T CPU with Intel integrated graphics here as a desktop

Everything else is pi-ish or routerish or Android.






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On 14/08/2025 10:04, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2025-08-14 09:08, c186282 wrote:

On 8/14/25 12:58 AM, rbowman wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers-
laid-
off/

I've got a couple of Intel processors but they're 4th generation or older >>> so I doubt I'll see a problem. When I did the Patch Tuesday update on my >>> company laptop yesterday I did notice it was flashing a new Intel update. >>>
I've always favored AMD and my newest boxes are Ryzen 7s. With Intel
seemingly trying to commit suicide in a very messy fashion I wouldn't buy >>> a new machine with 'Intel Inside'.

  I'd always had ISSUES with AMD - and thus
  avoid them to this day. They are ALMOST
  Intel compatible ... almost ....

I had and have trouble with Intel video. My current laptop and desktop
are AMD. Not a single problem.

My own experience with Linux on Intel and AMD suggests AMD FTW. My dual boot
laptop (intel) leaves Linux occasionally struggling to find the WiFi. My
Mini PC (AMD) presents no issues.

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 03:08:07 -0400, c186282 wrote:

On 8/14/25 12:58 AM, rbowman wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers-

laid-

off/

I've got a couple of Intel processors but they're 4th generation or
older so I doubt I'll see a problem. When I did the Patch Tuesday
update on my company laptop yesterday I did notice it was flashing a
new Intel update.

I've always favored AMD and my newest boxes are Ryzen 7s. With Intel
seemingly trying to commit suicide in a very messy fashion I wouldn't
buy a new machine with 'Intel Inside'.

I'd always had ISSUES with AMD - and thus avoid them to this day.
They are ALMOST Intel compatible ... almost ....

I did run into an issue with the early Athlons that didn't implement some
of the SSE extensions but that was years ago and even then the current AMD processors were okay.

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On 2025-08-14 23:22, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers-laid-off/

What I do not understand about this, why can't the Linux
Foundation hire them ?

Well Intel are one of the top sponsors of the Linux Foundation too: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members

(buggy Javascript required, and that made Firefox fill up all my
PC's RAM and freeze, so I had to kill it. Just to display some
company logos. Huff! I wouldn't choose Linux as my OS based on that
website!)

The page loads fine here.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers-laid-off/

What I do not understand about this, why can't the Linux
Foundation hire them ?

Well Intel are one of the top sponsors of the Linux Foundation too: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members

(buggy Javascript required, and that made Firefox fill up all my
PC's RAM and freeze, so I had to kill it. Just to display some
company logos. Huff! I wouldn't choose Linux as my OS based on that
website!)

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#_ < |\| |< _#

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 17:38:52 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

So since 2003 Intel is almost AMD compatible!

Note also that Intel is trying to get everybody to stop calling the 64-bit architecture “AMD64” and use the more generic “x86-64” name (or if you’re
DOSlexic like Microsoft, “x64”) instead. But you’ll notice that “AMD64” is
still used in many places, particularly in the Linux ecosystem.

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On 15 Aug 2025 07:22:26 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers- laid-off/

What I do not understand about this, why can't the Linux Foundation
hire them ?

Well Intel are one of the top sponsors of the Linux Foundation too: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members

(buggy Javascript required, and that made Firefox fill up all my PC's
RAM and freeze, so I had to kill it. Just to display some company logos. Huff! I wouldn't choose Linux as my OS based on that website!)

That truly is a gem. Brave hit 140% of the CPU before I killed the tab. (I didn't pass the flag to top that breaks out the usage by cores, so the
140%)

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 23:38:22 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2025-08-14 23:22, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers- laid-off/

What I do not understand about this, why can't the Linux Foundation
hire them ?

Well Intel are one of the top sponsors of the Linux Foundation too:
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members

(buggy Javascript required, and that made Firefox fill up all my PC's
RAM and freeze, so I had to kill it. Just to display some company
logos. Huff! I wouldn't choose Linux as my OS based on that website!)

The page loads fine here.

It did load in Brave and only took 1.4 of the 8 cores to do so. I didn't
note the RAM usage.

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On 2025-08-15 10:35, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 23:38:22 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2025-08-14 23:22, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers-

laid-off/

What I do not understand about this, why can't the Linux Foundation
hire them ?

Well Intel are one of the top sponsors of the Linux Foundation too:
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members

(buggy Javascript required, and that made Firefox fill up all my PC's
RAM and freeze, so I had to kill it. Just to display some company
logos. Huff! I wouldn't choose Linux as my OS based on that website!)

The page loads fine here.

It did load in Brave and only took 1.4 of the 8 cores to do so. I didn't
note the RAM usage.

In Ffx I looked at "about:processes" and it only went up when moving the "cursor" up/dn, ie, when displaying a new section of it, as expected.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2025-08-15 10:35, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 23:38:22 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2025-08-14 23:22, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers-

laid-off/

What I do not understand about this, why can't the Linux Foundation
hire them ?

Well Intel are one of the top sponsors of the Linux Foundation too:
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members

(buggy Javascript required, and that made Firefox fill up all my PC's
RAM and freeze, so I had to kill it. Just to display some company
logos. Huff! I wouldn't choose Linux as my OS based on that website!)

The page loads fine here.

It did load in Brave and only took 1.4 of the 8 cores to do so. I didn't
note the RAM usage.

In Ffx I looked at "about:processes"

After loading the page, enabling linuxfoundation.org in NoScript
(before which there's no issue, but also no content on the page),
and switching to another tab showing "about:processes" (no other
tabs running), the linuxfoundation.org tab's RAM usage rises at
around 150MB/sec until the browser window locks up at 1GB (the
PC only has 2GB RAM, still fine for running Javascript on sites
normally if one doesn't have lots of tabs open). CPU usage for that
tab is 130% (quad-core CPU) during this time.

I'm using Firefox 128.13.0esr, the current ESR release. My many
about:config tweaks might be a factor in triggering the JS bug.

Really Firefox should handle memory allocation by Javascript
more gracefully than this, since you're expected to be running
whatever random junk you get from any dodgy web designer. Maybe
it's supposed to?

I didn't note having the same trouble with this page in 2024 when
I first learned about it in: <6771c9fa@news.ausics.net>

I did note though that the page is pretty useless to explain who
most of the Linux Foundation's money really comes from because the
totals for those sponsors don't approach anything like the
overall "membership & donations" figure in the annual report. So
it's pure guesswork really. Though you'd suspect some of the top
sponsors like Intel supply a big part of the extra money, unless
others are being deliberately quiet about it.

Terrible web design and unknown financial backing, that website
really makes me wonder why I choose Linux.

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Le 14-08-2025, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> a écrit :

I've had *bad* luck with Nvidia.

Everyone is experiencing bad luck with Nvidia at a time or another. Even
Ubuntu for which the drivers are designed has issues during updates from
time to time.

Twenty five years go, Nvidia was the only way to have a modern graphic
card on Linux. Today, it's the worst.

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On 16/08/2025 09:37, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Le 14-08-2025, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> a écrit :

I've had *bad* luck with Nvidia.

Everyone is experiencing bad luck with Nvidia at a time or another. Even Ubuntu for which the drivers are designed has issues during updates from
time to time.

Twenty five years go, Nvidia was the only way to have a modern graphic
card on Linux. Today, it's the worst.

Ah. So that's what happened. I bought my last card 10 years ago, give
or take.

It is now outperformed by the IntelOnboard graphics....on later machines

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guns, why should we let them have ideas?

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On 16/08/2025 13:26, TJ wrote:

I have no issues with the page on my 11 year old HP laptop this morning,
but then I maxed out the RAM at 16GB soon after buying it at a lawn sale
4 years ago. RAM is cheap, and at 76 I'm too old to deal with the
frustration of having too little to do what I want to do. I also dumped
the ugly, useless Winders 8.1 that was on it, replacing it with Mageia.
And I replaced the rust drive with an SSD. It's a nice, capable little machine, now.

Yes. Once you are on a core i something processor mostly you have the
CPU speed for normal use. I am finding thgat on my 'entertainment'
laptop 4GB is a bit limiting, but its OK.
Here (desktop) I run a lot of CAD/CAM software and a windows VM and 8GB
wasn't enough and I was dubious about 16, so I got some pre loved 16GB
worth of sticks. And now its 24GB

I understand the concept of keeping old hardware going as long as
possible. I have a 2002 Dell 32-bit laptop that runs Mageia 9 with no
issues that I wouldn't expect with only 2GB of RAM and an almost ancient Radeon GPU. But when it takes a longer time to load a website into
Firefox than on a newer machine I don't complain of "terrible web
design." Mostly, I marvel that it can still work at all.

It depends with laptops. I had a POS Toshiba with a viewing angle of
about 5 degrees and execrable internal speakers.

I was glad when the plastic case fell to bits

On my second refurb HP since then.Good enough. I don't want to spend
too much on portable computers. They get damaged. or lost.




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..I'd spend it on drink.

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On 2025-08-15 20:24, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2025-08-15 10:35, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 23:38:22 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2025-08-14 23:22, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

https://www.xda-developers.com/linux-trouble-intel-employees-drivers- >>> laid-off/

What I do not understand about this, why can't the Linux Foundation >>>>>> hire them ?

Well Intel are one of the top sponsors of the Linux Foundation too:
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members

(buggy Javascript required, and that made Firefox fill up all my PC's >>>>> RAM and freeze, so I had to kill it. Just to display some company
logos. Huff! I wouldn't choose Linux as my OS based on that website!) >>>>>

The page loads fine here.

It did load in Brave and only took 1.4 of the 8 cores to do so. I didn't >>> note the RAM usage.

In Ffx I looked at "about:processes"

After loading the page, enabling linuxfoundation.org in NoScript
(before which there's no issue, but also no content on the page),
and switching to another tab showing "about:processes" (no other
tabs running), the linuxfoundation.org tab's RAM usage rises at
around 150MB/sec until the browser window locks up at 1GB (the
PC only has 2GB RAM, still fine for running Javascript on sites
normally if one doesn't have lots of tabs open). CPU usage for that
tab is 130% (quad-core CPU) during this time.

I'm using Firefox 128.13.0esr, the current ESR release. My many
about:config tweaks might be a factor in triggering the JS bug.

Really Firefox should handle memory allocation by Javascript
more gracefully than this, since you're expected to be running
whatever random junk you get from any dodgy web designer. Maybe
it's supposed to?

I didn't note having the same trouble with this page in 2024 when
I first learned about it in: <6771c9fa@news.ausics.net>

I did note though that the page is pretty useless to explain who
most of the Linux Foundation's money really comes from because the
totals for those sponsors don't approach anything like the
overall "membership & donations" figure in the annual report. So
it's pure guesswork really. Though you'd suspect some of the top
sponsors like Intel supply a big part of the extra money, unless
others are being deliberately quiet about it.

Terrible web design and unknown financial backing, that website
really makes me wonder why I choose Linux.

I have no issues with the page on my 11 year old HP laptop this morning,
but then I maxed out the RAM at 16GB soon after buying it at a lawn sale
4 years ago. RAM is cheap, and at 76 I'm too old to deal with the
frustration of having too little to do what I want to do. I also dumped
the ugly, useless Winders 8.1 that was on it, replacing it with Mageia.
And I replaced the rust drive with an SSD. It's a nice, capable little
machine, now.

I understand the concept of keeping old hardware going as long as
possible. I have a 2002 Dell 32-bit laptop that runs Mageia 9 with no
issues that I wouldn't expect with only 2GB of RAM and an almost ancient
Radeon GPU. But when it takes a longer time to load a website into
Firefox than on a newer machine I don't complain of "terrible web
design." Mostly, I marvel that it can still work at all.

TJ

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On 2025-08-16, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/08/2025 09:37, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Le 14-08-2025, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> a écrit :

I've had *bad* luck with Nvidia.

Everyone is experiencing bad luck with Nvidia at a time or another. Even
Ubuntu for which the drivers are designed has issues during updates from
time to time.

Twenty five years go, Nvidia was the only way to have a modern graphic
card on Linux. Today, it's the worst.

Ah. So that's what happened. I bought my last card 10 years ago, give
or take.

It is now outperformed by the IntelOnboard graphics....on later machines

I've had decent luck with Nvidia over the years, and when I needed a
new card about a year ago I chose Nvidia again and haven't regretted
it. Mind you, it's a fairly low-end card (GeForce GT 1030); I'm not
a cutting-edge gamer. I use the proprietary driver; I've had nouveau
lock up on me too many times.

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X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
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On 2025-08-16 09:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 16/08/2025 13:26, TJ wrote:

I have no issues with the page on my 11 year old HP laptop this
morning, but then I maxed out the RAM at 16GB soon after buying it at
a lawn sale 4 years ago. RAM is cheap, and at 76 I'm too old to deal
with the frustration of having too little to do what I want to do. I
also dumped the ugly, useless Winders 8.1 that was on it, replacing it
with Mageia. And I replaced the rust drive with an SSD. It's a nice,
capable little machine, now.

Yes. Once you are on a core i something processor mostly you have the
CPU speed for normal use.  I am finding thgat on my 'entertainment'
laptop 4GB is a bit limiting, but its OK.
Here (desktop) I run a lot of CAD/CAM software and a windows VM and 8GB wasn't enough and I was dubious about 16, so I got some pre loved 16GB
worth of sticks. And now its 24GB

That particular laptop has an AMD A8-4555, but the same concept applies.

TJ

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Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

Le 14-08-2025, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> a écrit :

I've had *bad* luck with Nvidia.

Everyone is experiencing bad luck with Nvidia at a time or another. Even Ubuntu for which the drivers are designed has issues during updates from
time to time.

Twenty five years go, Nvidia was the only way to have a modern graphic
card on Linux. Today, it's the worst.

I've noticed that, mostly, the folks having "issues with Nvidia" also
more often than not overlap with the set of users "who buy the newest
cutting edge thing the moment it arrives in the stores". In those
instances, and with Linux, yes, it is no wonder they experience "issues
with Nvidia".

But if one is content to let others spend the "small fortune" it takes
to buy that cutting edge card, and then wait until it is being sold off
on eBay for pennies on the dollar, then often by the time the $1000
Nvidia card can be had for $45 with free shipping from eBay, it very
often "just works" with Linux as well.

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On 16/08/2025 19:34, Rich wrote:

But if one is content to let others spend the "small fortune" it takes
to buy that cutting edge card, and then wait until it is being sold off
on eBay for pennies on the dollar, then often by the time the $1000
Nvidia card can be had for $45 with free shipping from eBay, it very
often "just works" with Linux as well.

Lol..,.

The days when Linux was fussy over hardware of the cooking sort are gone.

Ive had Mint tell me I needed Broadcomm wifi drivers in the past and
Nvidia graphics ones.

They JustWorked™ when installed
Even printers are like that. Scanners are still shite.




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intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is
futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into,
we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a
power-directed system of thought.”
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Le 16-08-2025, Rich <rich@example.invalid> a écrit :

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

Le 14-08-2025, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> a écrit :

I've had *bad* luck with Nvidia.

Everyone is experiencing bad luck with Nvidia at a time or another. Even
Ubuntu for which the drivers are designed has issues during updates from
time to time.

Twenty five years go, Nvidia was the only way to have a modern graphic
card on Linux. Today, it's the worst.

I've noticed that, mostly, the folks having "issues with Nvidia" also
more often than not overlap with the set of users "who buy the newest
cutting edge thing the moment it arrives in the stores". In those
instances, and with Linux, yes, it is no wonder they experience "issues
with Nvidia".

But if one is content to let others spend the "small fortune" it takes
to buy that cutting edge card, and then wait until it is being sold off
on eBay for pennies on the dollar, then often by the time the $1000
Nvidia card can be had for $45 with free shipping from eBay, it very
often "just works" with Linux as well.

What I mean by the issue changed since twenty five years ago is not
about being cutting edge. If you wanted to purchase a graphic card,
there was a list of compatible cards. When you went in a shop with that
list, the seller told you the list was obsolete and they didn't sell any
of the items on the list anymore. So, you had to buy a Nvidia card if
you wanted something you can purchase and which run on Linux.

Today, almost any graphic card is recognized by Linux. If you want, you
can buy a Nvidia card, but it's not mandatory anymore. Now, with Nvidia,
the drivers are half proprietary. When the kernel is upgraded, the
Nvidia, which was fine before the upgrade, can stop to work or start to
have weird issues. It's not about the last cutting edge, it's about the
way Nvidia send its drivers.


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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:

On 16/08/2025 19:34, Rich wrote:

But if one is content to let others spend the "small fortune" it
takes to buy that cutting edge card, and then wait until it is being
sold off on eBay for pennies on the dollar, then often by the time
the $1000 Nvidia card can be had for $45 with free shipping from
eBay, it very often "just works" with Linux as well.

Lol..,.

The days when Linux was fussy over hardware of the cooking sort are gone.

Oddly enough the last time I had serious trouble getting a computer to
talk to its video card it was running Windows. (15-20 years ago...)

Ive had Mint tell me I needed Broadcomm wifi drivers in the past and
Nvidia graphics ones.

They JustWorked™ when installed
Even printers are like that. Scanners are still shite.

Every scanner I’ve had (actually they’ve been part of an MFD) has
uploaded its results to an SMB share, which has been pretty trouble-free
and makes for an easy workflow.

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TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:

On 2025-08-15 20:24, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

I'm using Firefox 128.13.0esr, the current ESR release. My many
about:config tweaks might be a factor in triggering the JS bug.

Really Firefox should handle memory allocation by Javascript
more gracefully than this, since you're expected to be running
whatever random junk you get from any dodgy web designer. Maybe
it's supposed to?

I have no issues with the page on my 11 year old HP laptop this morning,
but then I maxed out the RAM at 16GB soon after buying it at a lawn sale
4 years ago. RAM is cheap,

The RAM isn't upgradable in that. Anyway the page actually works
fine, scrolling up and down (or not) for the seconds before the
RAM fills up. It's not a regular performance issue. There's a bug
in the JS causing it to fill up memory endlessly. I doubt more
RAM would do anything more than increase the delay before it runs
out and the browser locks up (but you can check the
"about:performance" page to see whether the Linux Foundation
tab's increasing RAM usage does stop somewhere above where my
browser stalls at 1GB if you want). Apparantly it's something my
particular Firefox version/configuration is triggering, but it's
not directly a hardware issue.

I understand the concept of keeping old hardware going as long as
possible. I have a 2002 Dell 32-bit laptop that runs Mageia 9 with no
issues that I wouldn't expect with only 2GB of RAM and an almost ancient Radeon GPU. But when it takes a longer time to load a website into
Firefox than on a newer machine I don't complain of "terrible web
design." Mostly, I marvel that it can still work at all.

I complain that terrible web design means I need as much as 2GB
RAM, but this is a different issue. As I say I don't have lock ups
like that normally and the RAM isn't usually maxed out while I'm
browsing with Firefox. This is another consequence of terrible web
design which is that websites can introduce bugs in basic
functionality that's built into the browser and works fine already
there. It's reason (alongside others, such as privacy and security)
to avoid JS-based websites regardless of the hardware you use.

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On 2025-08-16 18:29, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

TJ<TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:

On 2025-08-15 20:24, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

I'm using Firefox 128.13.0esr, the current ESR release. My many
about:config tweaks might be a factor in triggering the JS bug.

Really Firefox should handle memory allocation by Javascript
more gracefully than this, since you're expected to be running
whatever random junk you get from any dodgy web designer. Maybe
it's supposed to?

I have no issues with the page on my 11 year old HP laptop this morning,
but then I maxed out the RAM at 16GB soon after buying it at a lawn sale
4 years ago. RAM is cheap,

The RAM isn't upgradable in that. Anyway the page actually works
fine, scrolling up and down (or not) for the seconds before the
RAM fills up. It's not a regular performance issue. There's a bug
in the JS causing it to fill up memory endlessly. I doubt more
RAM would do anything more than increase the delay before it runs
out and the browser locks up (but you can check the
"about:performance" page to see whether the Linux Foundation
tab's increasing RAM usage does stop somewhere above where my
browser stalls at 1GB if you want). Apparantly it's something my
particular Firefox version/configuration is triggering, but it's
not directly a hardware issue.

It stops at 3GB. A huge list of logos and associated links. I wouldn't
know how long is reasonable for such a thing, so I can't comment on that
- but it DOESN'T "fill up memory endlessly."

The machine I'm on now has 48GB of RAM, so I wouldn't even notice it
unless I looked for it.

TJ

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TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:

On 2025-08-16 18:29, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

TJ<TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:

I have no issues with the page on my 11 year old HP laptop this morning, >>> but then I maxed out the RAM at 16GB soon after buying it at a lawn sale >>> 4 years ago. RAM is cheap,

The RAM isn't upgradable in that. Anyway the page actually works
fine, scrolling up and down (or not) for the seconds before the
RAM fills up. It's not a regular performance issue. There's a bug
in the JS causing it to fill up memory endlessly. I doubt more
RAM would do anything more than increase the delay before it runs
out and the browser locks up (but you can check the
"about:performance" page to see whether the Linux Foundation
tab's increasing RAM usage does stop somewhere above where my
browser stalls at 1GB if you want). Apparantly it's something my
particular Firefox version/configuration is triggering, but it's
not directly a hardware issue.

It stops at 3GB. A huge list of logos and associated links. I wouldn't
know how long is reasonable for such a thing, so I can't comment on that
- but it DOESN'T "fill up memory endlessly."

OK, I guess the page might just be unusually RAM-hungry by design.

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On 16 Aug 2025 20:29:20 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Now, with Nvidia, the drivers are half proprietary. When the kernel
is upgraded, the Nvidia, which was fine before the upgrade, can stop
to work or start to have weird issues. It's not about the last
cutting edge, it's about the way Nvidia send its drivers.

Debian (and likely its derivatives as well) have this mechanism called “DKMS”. They download a bunch of (object?) files from NVidia, and build a driver module that will load with your current kernel.

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On 2025-08-16 23:31, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On 16 Aug 2025 20:29:20 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Now, with Nvidia, the drivers are half proprietary. When the kernel
is upgraded, the Nvidia, which was fine before the upgrade, can stop
to work or start to have weird issues. It's not about the last
cutting edge, it's about the way Nvidia send its drivers.

Debian (and likely its derivatives as well) have this mechanism called “DKMS”. They download a bunch of (object?) files from NVidia, and build a driver module that will load with your current kernel.

Mageia has the same thing, but is an RPM-based distro. That's fine when
your GPU is considered "current." But, once it gets a little age on it,
Nvidia stops issuing new proprietary drivers, and the old ones usually
won't build with new kernels.

If your GPU is too old to be supported by the latest proprietary
drivers, you're pretty much stuck with the open source nouveau driver.
Chances of success are limited, getting less and less likely the older
the GPU is.

TJ

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On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 23:51:08 -0400, TJ wrote:

If your GPU is too old to be supported by the latest proprietary
drivers, you're pretty much stuck with the open source nouveau driver. Chances of success are limited, getting less and less likely the older
the GPU is.

Didn’t NVidia release some driver source code for some of its GPU product families?

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Le 17-08-2025, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :

On 16 Aug 2025 20:29:20 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Now, with Nvidia, the drivers are half proprietary. When the kernel
is upgraded, the Nvidia, which was fine before the upgrade, can stop
to work or start to have weird issues. It's not about the last
cutting edge, it's about the way Nvidia send its drivers.

Debian (and likely its derivatives as well) have this mechanism called “DKMS”. They download a bunch of (object?) files from NVidia, and build a driver module that will load with your current kernel.

I know, Ubuntu does it. But nevertheless, from time to time, I see
people coming with their computers running Ubuntu and having issues with
Nvidia after an upgrade.

One day, I'll live in Theory because in Theory everything works fine.

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Le 17-08-2025, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> a écrit :

On 2025-08-16 23:31, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On 16 Aug 2025 20:29:20 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Now, with Nvidia, the drivers are half proprietary. When the kernel
is upgraded, the Nvidia, which was fine before the upgrade, can stop
to work or start to have weird issues. It's not about the last
cutting edge, it's about the way Nvidia send its drivers.

Debian (and likely its derivatives as well) have this mechanism called
“DKMS”. They download a bunch of (object?) files from NVidia, and build a
driver module that will load with your current kernel.

Mageia has the same thing, but is an RPM-based distro. That's fine when
your GPU is considered "current." But, once it gets a little age on it, Nvidia stops issuing new proprietary drivers, and the old ones usually
won't build with new kernels.

If your GPU is too old to be supported by the latest proprietary
drivers, you're pretty much stuck with the open source nouveau driver. Chances of success are limited, getting less and less likely the older
the GPU is.

And Nvidia doesn't provide drivers for every kernel versions either.
There are too many. So he provides drivers for certain kernel versions
and if your kernel version isn't one fully supported, it can work. Or
not.

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On 17/08/2025 13:34, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-08-16 20:34, Rich wrote:

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

Le 14-08-2025, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> a écrit :

I've had *bad* luck with Nvidia.

Everyone is experiencing bad luck with Nvidia at a time or another. Even >>> Ubuntu for which the drivers are designed has issues during updates from >>> time to time.

Twenty five years go, Nvidia was the only way to have a modern graphic
card on Linux. Today, it's the worst.

I've noticed that, mostly, the folks having "issues with Nvidia" also
more often than not overlap with the set of users "who buy the newest
cutting edge thing the moment it arrives in the stores".  In those
instances, and with Linux, yes, it is no wonder they experience "issues
with Nvidia".

I had trouble with Nvidia stopping support of my then old card. I had to revert to Nouveau.

I think there are drivers for Nvidia going back to the year dot...

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On 2025-08-16 20:34, Rich wrote:

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

Le 14-08-2025, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> a écrit :

I've had *bad* luck with Nvidia.

Everyone is experiencing bad luck with Nvidia at a time or another. Even
Ubuntu for which the drivers are designed has issues during updates from
time to time.

Twenty five years go, Nvidia was the only way to have a modern graphic
card on Linux. Today, it's the worst.

I've noticed that, mostly, the folks having "issues with Nvidia" also
more often than not overlap with the set of users "who buy the newest
cutting edge thing the moment it arrives in the stores". In those
instances, and with Linux, yes, it is no wonder they experience "issues
with Nvidia".

I had trouble with Nvidia stopping support of my then old card. I had to
revert to Nouveau.

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On 2025-08-17, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:

If your GPU is too old to be supported by the latest proprietary
drivers, you're pretty much stuck with the open source nouveau driver. Chances of success are limited, getting less and less likely the older
the GPU is.

The reason I got a new graphics card a year ago was that I had just
upgraded the box to Bookworm. It wouldn't support the driver I was
using, and the new driver wouldn't support the graphics card. Oh
well, it was probably due for replacing anyway...

Nouveau is a non-starter for me. Too many lockups.

--
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
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On 2025-08-17 09:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 17/08/2025 13:34, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-08-16 20:34, Rich wrote:

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

Le 14-08-2025, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> a écrit :

I've had *bad* luck with Nvidia.

Everyone is experiencing bad luck with Nvidia at a time or another.
Even
Ubuntu for which the drivers are designed has issues during updates
from
time to time.

Twenty five years go, Nvidia was the only way to have a modern graphic >>>> card on Linux. Today, it's the worst.

I've noticed that, mostly, the folks having "issues with Nvidia" also
more often than not overlap with the set of users "who buy the newest
cutting edge thing the moment it arrives in the stores".  In those
instances, and with Linux, yes, it is no wonder they experience "issues
with Nvidia".

I had trouble with Nvidia stopping support of my then old card. I had
to revert to Nouveau.

I think there are drivers for Nvidia going back to the year dot...

Perhaps. But getting them to build and work with more modern kernels
than they were designed for just isn't worth the trouble. Nvidia's
banking on that. Their business model is to "force" you to buy a new
card every so often.

TJ

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On 2025-08-14, Robert Heller wrote:

At Thu, 14 Aug 2025 16:52:15 +0100 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 14/08/2025 13:59, John McCue wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

[...]

I've always favored AMD and my newest boxes are Ryzen 7s. With
Intel seemingly trying to commit suicide in a very messy fashion
I wouldn't buy a new machine with 'Intel Inside'.

Yes, if I ever buy new, it would be an AMD. And no Nvidia :)

Horses fopr courses. Ive had good luck with Nvidia. Mt friend at the
bleeding edge of mathematical computation, says Intel is the only chip
that has some advanced vector instructions or something .
I am getting fond of ARM base Pis.
Now I know not to expect too much beyond low price

I've had *bad* luck with Nvidia. I have no need for their semi-closed driver (I don't really need the accel -- I almost exclusively use only xterms), but had issues with the open source drivers as well as issues with things like the
ethernet driver on the AMD motherboard (which had a Nvidia chipset).

I've started seeing at least one website that *demands* webgl. Of course
the website (webapp?) could just have proper fallbacks in place, but:
how are things if one wants to enable webgl without hardware
acceleration? Is that doable? Is it practical?

Since my AMD motherboard died (after over 10 years of more or less continious operation), I got a Raspberry Pi5. To replace the x86_64's guts it would cost
3x+ what I paided for the Raspberry Pi5, complete with power supply and 256G SSD. Basically I "replaced" a x86_64 ATX tower system with a Raspberry Pi5. About $100 for the complete Raspberry Pi5, vs *at least* $300 to replace the x86_64 ATX system: cheapest Intel desktop processor: $100, cheapest ATX moderboard $100, plus RAM for the motherboard (unknown, but guessing at least $100) -- the case, power supply (fairly recently replaced), and disks from the
old system are still good.

Yeah, I can imagine. I for one would prefer to have more computing power
for compilation, but the space-saving and power-saving nature of a
smaller system, besides the price tag, probably shouldn't be overlooked.

(But to be fair I haven't checked what's the computing power available
nowadays in such smaller devices, maybe it already allows heaver CPU
usage of that kind?)

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Nuno Silva

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