It's all part of the 're-patriation'/security
mindset - and not necessarily wrong.

Intel DOES have good engineers ... BUT almost
all of its physical ops were moved to Taiwan -
which remains in imminent danger of abrupt
CCP take-over by nasty means.

Real world SUCKS eh ???

Intel is no longer the greatest company,
others seem to have more verve, more
creativity. However Intel product is
still very "solid" and you'll find it
in most PCs/Servers. NOT something you
can abandon.

Me, I still intentionally buy units with
Intel processors. They are the "standard".
Some love AMD ... they're pretty good too.

I DO remember an old vid of someone pulling
the heat-sink off an AMD ... and the SMOKE
coming out ten seconds later :-)

Maybe not true NOW, but ... prejudices
are easy to make and hard to dispel,

SOME ultra-capitalists have been on TV
bitching about the govt investment.
Said that Intel should be sold for car
parts - crap, obsolete.

No, Intel stuff IS still "pretty good".

WORST world outcome - short of Global
Thermonuclear War - the 'west'/USA
really WILL need competent LOCAL chip
designers/makers.

So, pick and act NOW - before it's Too Late.

And IF I buy another mini-box/lap anytime
soon, I WILL still go with an Intel CPU.
Still have TWO spares right now ... one
dedicated to nothing and one in the box
(with Win-11 by default). But, near future,
ya never know. HAVE used AMDs and they're
GOOD ... but .........

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On 2025-08-20 07:42, c186282 wrote:

It's all part of the 're-patriation'/security
mindset - and not necessarily wrong.

Intel DOES have good engineers ... BUT almost
all of its physical ops were moved to Taiwan -
which remains in imminent danger of abrupt
CCP take-over by nasty means.

Real world SUCKS eh ???

Intel is no longer the greatest company,
others seem to have more verve, more
creativity. However Intel product is
still very "solid" and you'll find it
in most PCs/Servers. NOT something you
can abandon.

Me, I still intentionally buy units with
Intel processors. They are the "standard".
Some love AMD ... they're pretty good too.

I DO remember an old vid of someone pulling
the heat-sink off an AMD ... and the SMOKE
coming out ten seconds later  :-)

Maybe not true NOW, but ... prejudices
are easy to make and hard to dispel,

That is very ancient history. After that, it was Intel who followed AMD
in the 64 bit processor, not the reverse. And more recently, we have the plethora of security bugs in Intel.

Impacting me directly, I suffer bugs in Intel video, which I was told
the Intel developers know about but refuse to correct.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 01:42:22 -0400, c186282 wrote:

And IF I buy another mini-box/lap anytime soon, I WILL still go with an
Intel CPU. Still have TWO spares right now ... one dedicated to nothing
and one in the box (with Win-11 by default). But, near future,
ya never know. HAVE used AMDs and they're GOOD ... but .........

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/08/ars-technica-system-guide-back-to- pc-building-for-back-to-school/

I haven't been keeping up so I don't know what Intel's current socket selections are but he claims AM5 is more future-proof. AM4 lasted almost
10 years and you can still get processors. LGA 1200 was quickly followed
by LGA 1700 and now LGA 1851.

My Intel box has a LGA 1150, which had a pretty good run. It was followed
by LGA 1151. I'm curious what the extra pin was for.

I keep looking at the Antec case under the bench and thinking I should do
a build. but it's huge with those big drive bays that would need to be
adapted down. It was designed for a ATX mobo but I never did use all the
slots. A microATX would do.

Then I'd have another box and could install the vastly superior Mint
Linux. Only fooling -- I'd probably go for Leap.

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 12:13:23 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

Impacting me directly, I suffer bugs in Intel video, which I was told
the Intel developers know about but refuse to correct.

Are the bugs in open-source drivers? Somebody must have come up with a
patch.

Re Government ownership of private companies ... there’s a name for
that ... not “Capitalism”, but something opposite to it, also beginning with “C” ...

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On 2025-08-24 04:34, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 12:13:23 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

Impacting me directly, I suffer bugs in Intel video, which I was told
the Intel developers know about but refuse to correct.

Are the bugs in open-source drivers? Somebody must have come up with a
patch.

Yes; no.

As far as Intel drivers are open source.

Isengard:~ # inxi -C -GSaz --za --vs
inxi 3.3.31-00 (2023-11-02)
System:
Kernel: 6.4.0-150600.23.53-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
v: 7.5.0 clocksource: tsc available: acpi_pm
parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.4.0-150600.23.53-default
root=UUID=<filter> showopts splash=verbose resume=/dev/disk/by-label/Swap
verbose mitigations=auto
Desktop: Xfce v: 4.20.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.43 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm
v: 4.20.0 dm: 1: GDM v: 45.0.1 2: SDDM note: stopped
Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.6
CPU:
Info: model: Intel Pentium N3710 socket: BGA1155 bits: 64 type: MCP
arch: Airmont level: v2 built: 2015-17 process: Intel 14nm family: 6
model-id: 0x4C (76) stepping: 4 microcode: 0x411
Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 4 smt: <unsupported> cache: L1: 224 KiB
desc: d-4x24 KiB; i-4x32 KiB L2: 2 MiB desc: 2x1024 KiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 480 min/max: 480/2560 base/boost: 1600/2400 scaling:
driver: intel_pstate governor: powersave volts: 1.2 V ext-clock: 80 MHz
cores: 1: 480 2: 480 3: 480 4: 480 bogomips: 12800
Flags: ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
Vulnerabilities: <filter>
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx
Integrated Graphics vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: i915 v: kernel
arch: Gen-8 process: Intel 14nm built: 2014-15 ports: active: HDMI-A-3
empty: DP-1, DP-2, DP-3, HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2 bus-ID: 00:02.0
chip-ID: 8086:22b1 class-ID: 0300
Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.1
compositor: xfwm v: 4.20.0 driver: X: loaded: intel dri: iris gpu: i915
display-ID: localhost:10.0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 509x286mm (20.04x11.26")
s-diag: 584mm (22.99")
Monitor-1: HDMI-A-3 mapped: DVI-D-0 model: Samsung T22C350 built: 2012
res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 92 gamma: 1.2 size: 531x298mm (20.91x11.73")
diag: 547mm (21.5") ratio: 16:9 modes: max: 1920x1080 min: 720x400
API: OpenGL v: 4.5 vendor: mesa v: 23.3.4 glx-v: 1.4 es-v: 3.2
direct-render: yes renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 17.0.6 128 bits)
device-ID: ffffffff:ffffffff memory: 7.44 GiB unified: yes
API: Vulkan v: 1.3.275 layers: 1 device: 0 type: integrated-gpu name: Intel
HD Graphics 405 (BSW) driver: N/A device-ID: 8086:22b1 surfaces: xcb,xlib
API: EGL Message: EGL data requires eglinfo. Check --recommends.
Isengard:~ #


Mouse movement now and then leaves a "trail" of cursors in the screen that persist blinking there for hours, till I do ctrl-alt-f1 and back to graphics.

Re Government ownership of private companies ... there’s a name for
that ... not “Capitalism”, but something opposite to it, also beginning with “C” ...

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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On 2025-08-24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 12:13:23 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

Impacting me directly, I suffer bugs in Intel video, which I was told
the Intel developers know about but refuse to correct.

Are the bugs in open-source drivers? Somebody must have come up with a
patch.

Re Government ownership of private companies ... there’s a name for
that ... not “Capitalism”, but something opposite to it, also beginning with “C” ...

What do we call it when private companies become the government?

And is it time to draw a line between "private ownership"
and "individual ownership"?

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey

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On 24/08/2025 20:19, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2025-08-24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 12:13:23 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

Impacting me directly, I suffer bugs in Intel video, which I was told
the Intel developers know about but refuse to correct.

Are the bugs in open-source drivers? Somebody must have come up with a
patch.

Re Government ownership of private companies ... there’s a name for
that ... not “Capitalism”, but something opposite to it, also beginning >> with “C” ...

What do we call it when private companies become the government?

Oligarchy, The Mafia, Russia today

And is it time to draw a line between "private ownership"
and "individual ownership"?

I don't think so.

Companies can be owned by a one or a few individuals, owned by many as
publicly listed shares on the stock exchange or owned 'by the government'.

The latter is usually the worst of all possible worlds.


--
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 12:16:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 24/08/2025 20:19, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

And is it time to draw a line between "private ownership"
and "individual ownership"?

I don't think so.

Companies can be owned by a one or a few individuals, owned by many as publicly listed shares on the stock exchange ...

But those companies on the stock exchange, i.e. “limited liability” companies, are legally considered to be separate entities from their shareholders. This is done so the worst that can happen is the company
goes bust and the shareholders lose their investments, but they are not personally liable for additional debts the companies may have incurred --
those die with the company (at least as I understand it).

Should this distinction be done away with?

... or owned 'by the government'.

The latter is usually the worst of all possible worlds.

That seems to be where the current US administration is heading.

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