• Re: All Hail The Great Netpbm!

    From jayjwa@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 26 17:22:49 2025
    Can't ImageMagick take over for netpbm? Frankly I'm surprised it still compiles. I'm not knocking it - just surprised it's still getting love
    after all these years.
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  • From Marc Haber@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Wed Aug 27 09:19:49 2025
    Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
    If any of you freeloading distro lackeys wish to do the same,
    his email address can be found at the netpbm site:

    You insult nearly all users of Linux (or maybe the people making the distributions) while calling for a DDoS Attack on Bryan's Mailbox?

    I am not a native speaker, but that sounds like an accomplishment. So
    much malice in a single sentence.

    May I ask what YOU are doing for the World of Free Software?

    We need everybody. We need people making high quality software, and we
    need the distributions that make that high quality software easily
    accessible for people who cannot roll their own distributions¹.

    xkcd 2347 is actually playing the issue down. It's a truckload of such
    projects like the one in the lower right corner, and each one that
    fails will make the world fail.

    Be more careful when you talk to people. And be aware what you're
    doing.

    Greetings
    Marc

    ¹ I havae been working with and on GNU/Linux for a quarter of a
    centory and I wouldnt want to roll my own distribution.
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  • From Nuno Silva@21:1/5 to Marc Haber on Wed Aug 27 10:35:49 2025
    On 2025-08-27, Marc Haber wrote:

    Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
    If any of you freeloading distro lackeys wish to do the same,
    his email address can be found at the netpbm site:

    You insult nearly all users of Linux (or maybe the people making the distributions) while calling for a DDoS Attack on Bryan's Mailbox?

    I am not a native speaker, but that sounds like an accomplishment. So
    much malice in a single sentence.

    May I ask what YOU are doing for the World of Free Software?

    My guess is they're making sure the killfile features of FLOSS
    newsreaders are thoroughly tested.

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    Nuno Silva

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  • From Harold Stevens@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 27 04:52:46 2025
    In <108mjhl$iqm7$3@dont-email.me> Nuno Silva:

    [Snip ...]

    My guess is they're making sure the killfile features of FLOSS
    newsreaders are thoroughly tested.

    +1

    Old Fartley here, for example, has been in mine for years. Jez sayin' ...

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  • From Ben Collver@21:1/5 to jayjwa on Wed Aug 27 15:11:41 2025
    On 2025-08-26, jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> wrote:
    Can't ImageMagick take over for netpbm? Frankly I'm surprised it still compiles. I'm not knocking it - just surprised it's still getting love
    after all these years.

    On the contrary, simpler code should be easier to compile and to port.

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOlivei@21:1/5 to Ben Collver on Wed Aug 27 23:29:00 2025
    On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 15:11:41 -0000 (UTC), Ben Collver wrote:

    On 2025-08-26, jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> wrote:

    Can't ImageMagick take over for netpbm? Frankly I'm surprised it still
    compiles. I'm not knocking it - just surprised it's still getting love
    after all these years.

    On the contrary, simpler code should be easier to compile and to port.

    But conversely, netpbm has not been updated for modern features like deep pixels.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to Nuno Silva on Wed Aug 27 23:13:32 2025
    On 8/27/25 5:35 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-08-27, Marc Haber wrote:

    Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
    If any of you freeloading distro lackeys wish to do the same,
    his email address can be found at the netpbm site:

    You insult nearly all users of Linux (or maybe the people making the
    distributions) while calling for a DDoS Attack on Bryan's Mailbox?

    I am not a native speaker, but that sounds like an accomplishment. So
    much malice in a single sentence.

    May I ask what YOU are doing for the World of Free Software?

    My guess is they're making sure the killfile features of FLOSS
    newsreaders are thoroughly tested.

    Heh Heh ... yep !

    Assholes abound, especially on usenet.

    I do remember CompuServe Forums - people were
    much more civil.

    But I *wanted* usenet nevertheless.

    Now Haber will single ME out for "off-topic"
    posting :-)

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  • From Eli the Bearded@21:1/5 to Lawrence DOliveiro on Mon Sep 1 01:28:39 2025
    In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 15:11:41 -0000 (UTC), Ben Collver wrote:
    On 2025-08-26, jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> wrote:
    Can't ImageMagick take over for netpbm? Frankly I'm surprised it still
    compiles. I'm not knocking it - just surprised it's still getting love
    after all these years.

    netpbm has working documentation unlike Imagemagick

    On the contrary, simpler code should be easier to compile and to port.

    Besides documentation, I like the pbm formats (pbm for monochrome, pgm
    for grayscale, ppm for RGB, pam for more complicated things) as
    interchange when writing my own tools to stick in a processing pipeline. Imagemagick, being a monolith, does not cope with user tools well.

    But conversely, netpbm has not been updated for modern features like deep pixels.

    ???

    https://deep-pixels.com/

    Elijah
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    admits the pam formats have not gotten much love

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOlivei@21:1/5 to Eli the Bearded on Mon Sep 1 02:58:40 2025
    On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 01:28:39 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote:

    netpbm has working documentation unlike Imagemagick

    You didn’t know about <https://imagemagick.org/>?

    But conversely, netpbm has not been updated for modern features like
    deep pixels.

    More than 8 bits per pixel component.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to Eli the Bearded on Mon Sep 1 03:07:27 2025
    On 8/31/25 9:28 PM, Eli the Bearded wrote:
    In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 15:11:41 -0000 (UTC), Ben Collver wrote:
    On 2025-08-26, jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> wrote:
    Can't ImageMagick take over for netpbm? Frankly I'm surprised it still >>>> compiles. I'm not knocking it - just surprised it's still getting love >>>> after all these years.

    netpbm has working documentation unlike Imagemagick

    On the contrary, simpler code should be easier to compile and to port.

    Besides documentation, I like the pbm formats (pbm for monochrome, pgm
    for grayscale, ppm for RGB, pam for more complicated things) as
    interchange when writing my own tools to stick in a processing pipeline. Imagemagick, being a monolith, does not cope with user tools well.

    But conversely, netpbm has not been updated for modern features like deep
    pixels.

    ???

    https://deep-pixels.com/

    Elijah
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    admits the pam formats have not gotten much love


    DO note, NetPBM is not an application per-se like Gimp,
    it's more a group of CL-evokable utilities, more like
    ImageMagik. You CAN call these inside most kinds of
    programs.

    I've writ a number of apps for viewing/storing my security
    cams. A number use OS calls to ImageMagik for re-size and
    contrast enhancment and such. IM can even deal with RTSP
    streams and produce .mpg output. Made one to grab an RTSP
    stream, shrink it to very small video (space !) but keep
    the audio stream fully intact. UGLY param sets alas, but
    you CAN do almost anything.

    DID want a low-rez vid remainder for 'reference'.

    Sometimes it's easier to use OpenCV ... but there aren't
    enough 'canned' calls to deal with every situation.

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