-hh wrote:

CrudeSausage wrote:

chrisv wrote:

I went with Michelin X-Ice tires, breaking from many years of running
Dunlop Winter Sports.

My previous QX60 had Michelin X-Ice and they were wonderful. For the
longest time, they were the top-rated winter tires and have only
recently been surpassed by Toyo's offering. I wanted the same thing on
my new vehicle but they only had a choice of either Continental or
Yokohama. Since Continental is the absolute worst garbage I've ever
owned (bubbles form on the side of the tires after about 15,000km), you
can imagine what I purchased.

My preferences for winter snows has long been Vredstein, but the family
shop that I'd been using for decades couldn't get them in stock during
CoVid when I last needed to buy a replacement set, so I settled on the >Continentals. Conti is an okay provider...given sufficient years, one
can probably find some complaint about most any of them - - case in
point, I've had good success with Michelin, but ten years ago, I had a >horrible time with a set which had a loud harmonic vibration which
occurred only at my preferred long distance highway cruising speed.

AFAIK, the most "serious" Winter tires are made by Nokian, based in
Finland. I had a set of them long ago on my FWD Honda Predule Si, and
that thing was unstoppable in the snow. Of course, you do pay a price
in dry-road performance.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

rbowman wrote:

chrisv wrote:

s/TPMS/TPM/

Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car?

Great feature! The wheels my winter tires are mounted on don't have
sensors so I learn to live with the little orange icon.

My orange icon is off for now, but I also live with it being on, much
of the time. I swap tires and wheels myself, Spring and Fall, and
don't have the tool to move the car to the alternate set of sensors.
The fscking assholes who made my car thought that it wasn't important
for the computer to be able to remember two sets of sensors and allow
switching between them. They must have saved an entire dollar.
Assholes.

I read somewhere that newer cars are smart enough to just lock onto
the four sensors that are usually the closest and spinning in unison.
I don't know if that's universal, though. My daughter's Accord
doesn't use sensors at all, comparing wheel speeds to determine loss
of pressure.

I learned to use a pressure gauge a long time ago although I finally went >digital. It was hard to get 35.3 psi exactly with the old stick gauges :)

Mine's analog, but it is a good-quality dial gage that holds peak
pressure. So, unlike a stick gage, you don't need to be good at that
initial push onto the valve.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Le 2024-12-21 à 08:30, chrisv a écrit :

-hh wrote:

CrudeSausage wrote:

chrisv wrote:

I went with Michelin X-Ice tires, breaking from many years of running
Dunlop Winter Sports.

My previous QX60 had Michelin X-Ice and they were wonderful. For the
longest time, they were the top-rated winter tires and have only
recently been surpassed by Toyo's offering. I wanted the same thing on
my new vehicle but they only had a choice of either Continental or
Yokohama. Since Continental is the absolute worst garbage I've ever
owned (bubbles form on the side of the tires after about 15,000km), you
can imagine what I purchased.

My preferences for winter snows has long been Vredstein, but the family
shop that I'd been using for decades couldn't get them in stock during
CoVid when I last needed to buy a replacement set, so I settled on the
Continentals. Conti is an okay provider...given sufficient years, one
can probably find some complaint about most any of them - - case in
point, I've had good success with Michelin, but ten years ago, I had a
horrible time with a set which had a loud harmonic vibration which
occurred only at my preferred long distance highway cruising speed.

AFAIK, the most "serious" Winter tires are made by Nokian, based in
Finland. I had a set of them long ago on my FWD Honda Predule Si, and
that thing was unstoppable in the snow. Of course, you do pay a price
in dry-road performance.

Unstoppable in that it was excellent or that the car wouldn't stop?

--
CrudeSausage

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 07:30:48 -0600, chrisv wrote:

AFAIK, the most "serious" Winter tires are made by Nokian, based in
Finland. I had a set of them long ago on my FWD Honda Predule Si, and
that thing was unstoppable in the snow. Of course, you do pay a price
in dry-road performance.

I wasn't able to find them when I bought this set but the previous set was Nokian Hakkapeliittas and they really worked well. Unfortunately they were
on the car that was totaled by a snow plow and I didn't have a spare set
to swap on the wreck.

Nokian used to make studded bicycle tires but all I see now at Schwalbe
and 45Nrth. My winter cycling days are over anyway.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 07:43:53 -0600, chrisv wrote:

I read somewhere that newer cars are smart enough to just lock onto the
four sensors that are usually the closest and spinning in unison.
I don't know if that's universal, though. My daughter's Accord doesn't
use sensors at all, comparing wheel speeds to determine loss of
pressure.

For a couple of weeks before I swapped the tires I was getting the low
pressure alert. The first time was disconcerting since i was out at the
range which is outside of town. I checked the pressures and one was 29 psi
so I got out the inflater and brought them all up to 35. Eventually the
light went off. Then it came on again on a rough road out to a trailhead.
I did a walk around. Everything looked okay so I ignored it. The next day
it was off, and then a day later it was on.

I bought the car in 2020 but it was a leftover 2018. Because of covid it
only has 27,000 miles, less than that on the street tires because of the
swap so they're OEM. The only thing I can think of is one or more of the batteries in the sensors are starting to fail. PITA. I'll check the tread
and may get new tires in the spring along with a sensor replacement.

Linux: or I can use one of the Linux boxes to flash a Pico after figuring
out how to spoof a TPMS signal.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On 12/21/24 8:43 AM, chrisv wrote:

rbowman wrote:

chrisv wrote:

s/TPMS/TPM/

Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car?

Great feature! The wheels my winter tires are mounted on don't have
sensors so I learn to live with the little orange icon.

My orange icon is off for now, but I also live with it being on, much
of the time. I swap tires and wheels myself, Spring and Fall, and
don't have the tool to move the car to the alternate set of sensors.
The fscking assholes who made my car thought that it wasn't important
for the computer to be able to remember two sets of sensors and allow switching between them. They must have saved an entire dollar.
Assholes.

I've never heard of OEMs requiring a special tool for (re)learning
TPMS's, but its apparently a common-enough thing. I've only had to use
some dashboard buttons to push to relearn, but it does look like there's
some cheap 'relearn' tools these days; this example's under $10:

<https://www.walmart.com/ip/Universal-Tire-Pressure-Monitor-Activation-Relearn-Assistant-Car-TPMS-Reset-Tool/7740856280>

Of course, the TPMS sensors themselves aren't that cheap...

I read somewhere that newer cars are smart enough to just lock onto
the four sensors that are usually the closest and spinning in unison.
I don't know if that's universal, though.

I've not seen that solution (yet?). It can be interesting to have 8
sensors active when one paid a tire shop to do the swap and there's the
old set in the trunk & new set on the wheels.

My daughter's Accord
doesn't use sensors at all, comparing wheel speeds to determine loss
of pressure.

A clever approach, although it still needs some degree of calibration
input in order to know what's "too low", etc.

I learned to use a pressure gauge a long time ago although I finally went
digital. It was hard to get 35.3 psi exactly with the old stick gauges :)

Mine's analog, but it is a good-quality dial gage that holds peak
pressure. So, unlike a stick gage, you don't need to be good at that
initial push onto the valve.

These days, the challenge is in remembering to periodically check, as reliability performance makes it easy to go months between actually
needing a top-up.

-hh

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On 12/21/24 1:46 PM, rbowman wrote:

On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 07:43:53 -0600, chrisv wrote:

I read somewhere that newer cars are smart enough to just lock onto the
four sensors that are usually the closest and spinning in unison.
I don't know if that's universal, though. My daughter's Accord doesn't
use sensors at all, comparing wheel speeds to determine loss of
pressure.

For a couple of weeks before I swapped the tires I was getting the low pressure alert. The first time was disconcerting since i was out at the
range which is outside of town. I checked the pressures and one was 29 psi
so I got out the inflater and brought them all up to 35. Eventually the
light went off. Then it came on again on a rough road out to a trailhead.
I did a walk around. Everything looked okay so I ignored it. The next day
it was off, and then a day later it was on.

I bought the car in 2020 but it was a leftover 2018. Because of covid it
only has 27,000 miles, less than that on the street tires because of the
swap so they're OEM. The only thing I can think of is one or more of the batteries in the sensors are starting to fail. PITA. I'll check the tread
and may get new tires in the spring along with a sensor replacement.

It could be a premature battery failure, or it might be a bad/damaged
sensor pickup at the wheel location .. latter can happen from road
debris, and/or off-roading.

If the TPMS system tells you which tire is low, you could do some troubleshooting by doing a tire rotation to see if the "low" follows the
tire or stays at the same location.


-hh

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)