• Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting

    From Alan@21:1/5 to -hh on Fri Dec 20 19:37:50 2024
    On 2024-12-20 19:05, -hh wrote:
    On 12/20/24 8:42 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-12-20 17:19, Joel wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-12-20 16:50, will wrote:

    Why limit yourself to one OS?  Run both.

    Or as you could do on a Mac: run all three!


    The Mac running Winblows is not that credible, possible to boot it
    sure, but it's a small side thing.
    It is absolutely credible...

    ...or at least it was absolutely credible...

    ...until Apple started producing better processors and using them.

    :-)

    Its just no longer Boot Camp today, but easily done by running within a
    VM; ARM64 Windows 11 is presently at version 24H2: same as x86 Win11.
    Oh, I'm aware. :-)

    I just wonder if it's really an option for most ordinary users.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to -hh on Wed Dec 25 12:08:00 2024
    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:vjsnu6$1t6l6$2@dont-email.me...
    On 12/17/24 3:35 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-12-17 11:50, Joel wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>> drives
    that perfectly sit under the desktop:

    <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers- >>>>>>>>>>>> Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?
    tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_
    source=1>

    <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack> >>>>>>>>>>>
    Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe >>>>>>>>>>> or
    two.
    Which is better in what measurable way?

    It's elegant.
    Why? What makes it more "elegant"?

    It's just a piece of the computer, once installed. No wire.
    So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having an >>>>>> external monitor?

    No.

    But you just defined elegance by lack of wires...


    But not by marrying different components to each other, creating a
    fragile system.

    So then an external monitor is "fragile"?

    And the keyboard & mouse too, because they've not been integrated into the computer case either, so under Joel's choice of definitions they must be considered to be 'fragile' too.

    Don't forget the printer.. we're going to need to integrate that into the
    case was well. Oh and speakers.. they MUST be part of the case....

    Seems to me that based on the standards that Joel is setting for the perfect system.. he has utterly failed to do so with his own build. Further bought a case with ZERO room for growth or expansion. I mean you know how hard you
    would have to look to find a case that only handles one hard drive?

    Would this also meant that our 'computer expert' has ZERO backup
    capabilities, and that he's just one hard drive crash away from losing all
    of his data?

    That's certainly 'elite'.





    This looks pretty "elegant" to me:

    <https://www.owc.com/solutions/ministack-stx>

    Or this:

    <https://satechi.net/landing/new-stand-and-hub-m4-mac-mini>

    Remember: Thunderbolt literally IS PCIe...

    OK, but why not just have a real case, a real motherboard? Why the
    quirks?
    What makes one more "real" than the other?


    Expandability.

    Which I've already addressed.

    Plus in the case of the STX, if the NVMe & HDD/SSD which one chose to
    install ends up being inadequate in size, it is straightforward to open
    the box and install a larger one...all with the advantage of also having a provisioning of a Thunderbolt 3 hub for additional peripheral ports.
    They're pretty sweet.

    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Wed Dec 25 18:33:04 2024
    On 12/25/24 1:08 PM, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:vjsnu6$1t6l6$2@dont-email.me...
    On 12/17/24 3:35 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-12-17 11:50, Joel wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can >>>>>>>>>>>>> buy drives that perfectly sit under the desktop:

    <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/>

    <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack> >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another >>>>>>>>>>>> NVMe or two.

    Which is better in what measurable way?

    It's elegant.

    Why? What makes it more "elegant"?

    It's just a piece of the computer, once installed.  No wire.

    So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having an >>>>>>> external monitor?

    No.

    But you just defined elegance by lack of wires...

    But not by marrying different components to each other, creating a
    fragile system.

    So then an external monitor is "fragile"?

    And the keyboard & mouse too, because they've not been integrated into
    the computer case either, so under Joel's choice of definitions they
    must be considered to be 'fragile' too.

    Don't forget the printer.. we're going to need to integrate that into
    the case was well. Oh and speakers.. they MUST be part of the case....

    Good point! And don't forget that webcams can be built-ins too.

    FWIW, there's also a system trade-off here to consider during product selection, for soldered components affords less subsequent modification,
    but are known to be more reliable.

    Seems to me that based on the standards that Joel is setting for the
    perfect system.. he has utterly failed to do so with his own build.
    Further bought a case with ZERO room for growth or expansion. I mean you
    know how hard you would have to look to find a case that only handles
    one hard drive?

    To be fair, Joel claimed that his motherboard has two spare NVMe slots.
    But since he's also said that his choice of a 1TB NMVe in its main slot
    is more storage than he'll ever need, having empty slots is superfluous,
    and gratuitously unnecessary.

    Would this also meant that our 'computer expert' has ZERO backup capabilities, and that he's just one hard drive crash away from losing
    all of his data?

    That's certainly 'elite'.

    I've seen that spin attempt happen before ... the typical excuse is that
    they have no personal data that's valuable enough to need to have a data backup, but that reveals that their PC is a toy for them, not a tool.


    -hh

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