https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-the- games-industry/
I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs might revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the boat or if
the industry will spring back?
Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for
serious people.
If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and academic institutions would be willing to run it,
_I_ am an academic. I hold a Masters degree with three papers published
in peer-reviewed scientific journals. I am also on the adjunct faculty
of several community colleges.
_I_ also operate a highly successful business.
What OS do I use exclusively? "GNU/Linux" is the answer.
Only in your dreams.
On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-21 à 14:02, rbowman a écrit :
https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-the- >>> games-industry/
I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of
effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs might >>> revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the boat or if >>> the industry will spring back?
Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for
serious people.
If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and
academic institutions would be willing to run it, and invest in the
people necessary to troubleshoot it. Instead, both have realized that
its free cost does not result in savings of any kind because the
problems it causes often can't be resolved by even the most gifted of
technical staff. That's why they use Windows, even with the security issues.
The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and businesses are "married" to this crap)
and Microsoft's has leverage with the
computer manufacturers.
Monopolies have a lot of inertia that's hard to
overcome. But you'll note that, for development purposes, Microsoft is now including Linux in Windows. There's a reason for that. And, as software
moves to the "rental" phase and more and more of the applications move to
the "Cloud", there will be less and less necessity to use Windows.
It will take a while though.
https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-the-
games-industry/
I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs
might revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the
boat or if the industry will spring back?
Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for
serious people.
Some people stare at the boob toob. Some people game, which uses
the brain cells a bit more.
(idiocy snipped)
Hey. Hey, mutherfucker.
_I_ am an academic.
On 21 Dec 2024 22:09:04 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Only in your dreams.
Only in YOUR fucking dreams.
YOU are so far beneath me that you must look up to see
down.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
_I_ implement my own distro
My brother programs Windows applications. He despises .NET and DirectX.
He liked Visual C++ when it was the "go to" development tool.
On 2024-12-21, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (andNo purchasing manager was ever fired for specifying Microsoft.
businesses are "married" to this crap) and Microsoft's has leverage
with the computer manufacturers. Monopolies have a lot of inertia
that's hard to overcome. But you'll note that, for development
purposes, Microsoft is now including Linux in Windows. There's a
reason for that. And, as software moves to the "rental" phase and more
and more of the applications move to the "Cloud", there will be less
and less necessity to use Windows.
I wouldn't bet on it.
I know nothing about programming. I'm pretty sure, though, that it was
Visual C++ that my brother liked the most. I know for certain that he
doesn't like the newest Microsoft stuff. He says it's crap.
Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
On 21 Dec 2024 22:09:04 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Only in your dreams.
Only in YOUR fucking dreams.
YOU are so far beneath me that you must look up to see
down.
_I_ implement my own distro while the best that you can
accomplish is to install some standard junk -- and you haven't
the intelligence to realize it.
Get back on your knees, lackey.
_I_ am the true master.
Don't ever forget that.
Not even close. Stéphane is a very big guru, here, you are an
oddball.
And: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
CrudeSausage wrote:
(idiocy snipped)
Really? What does the NYSE run?
On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-21 à 17:36, RonB a écrit :
On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-21 à 14:02, rbowman a écrit :
https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-the- >>>>> games-industry/
I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of >>>>> effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs might
revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the boat or if >>>>> the industry will spring back?
Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for >>>>> serious people.
If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and >>>> academic institutions would be willing to run it, and invest in the
people necessary to troubleshoot it. Instead, both have realized that
its free cost does not result in savings of any kind because the
problems it causes often can't be resolved by even the most gifted of
technical staff. That's why they use Windows, even with the security issues.
The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and
businesses are "married" to this crap)
They do use Microsoft Office but there is no denying that it is superior
to what's available to Linux. Perhaps WPS Office can compete at some
level, but most people I know who use spreadsheet software say that
LibreOffice is sorely lacking in the functionality they use daily.
Additionally, they say that the functionality it does provide is nowhere
near the level of Microsoft's.
I'm denying it. I despise MicroCrap Office. Worthless bloatware.
I used Calc in OpenOffice at work before LibreOffice ever existed. For my purposes it worked fine. Spreadsheets are overused for data purposes anyhow. If you want a database use a database software.
Le 21-12-2024, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :
And: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
Agreed. Now, a computer is not mandatory to play. There are other possibilities.
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 05:25:09 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
On 2024-12-21, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (andNo purchasing manager was ever fired for specifying Microsoft.
businesses are "married" to this crap) and Microsoft's has leverage
with the computer manufacturers. Monopolies have a lot of inertia
that's hard to overcome. But you'll note that, for development
purposes, Microsoft is now including Linux in Windows. There's a
reason for that. And, as software moves to the "rental" phase and more >>>> and more of the applications move to the "Cloud", there will be less
and less necessity to use Windows.
I wouldn't bet on it.
Leaving out the cloud I have to agree. Microsoft and the availability of Microsoft Certified Whatevers makes pointy headed bosses sleep better at night.
Le 2024-12-22 à 05:09, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
Le 21-12-2024, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :
And: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
Agreed. Now, a computer is not mandatory to play. There are other
possibilities.
I have to agree here. I just got a new monitor yesterday and both my
computer and Xbox Series S are plugged into it. I'm sure that the same
game running from the computer would look better than it does coming
from the console, but the games still look fantastic and I doubt that
some additional polygons would multiply the amount of fun one can have. Besides, there are console exclusives like NHL that make it preferable.
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 14:42:38 -0500, Crud wrote:
If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and
academic institutions would be willing to run it,
Hey. Hey, mutherfucker.
<snip>
You are a fucking loser that has no business commenting
on GNU/Linux, which is the greatest OS in the history of
technical man.
CrudeSausage wrote:
Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
CrudeSausage wrote:
(idiocy snipped)
Really? What does the NYSE run?
I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.
How a viable option of a robust and well-supported non-commercial OS
doesn't improve the user experience for millions for whom "the big
two" are inadequate is up to you to explain.
Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
CrudeSausage wrote:
(idiocy snipped)
Really? What does the NYSE run?
I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.
Second, do you really think important databases run on MicroSlop?
Windows might be the front-end, but I'm willing to bet that most
corporations run SQL under Linux servers for their important records.
You've heard of Oracle,
right? (Not endorsing them, but they're the world's largest database
company, I believe. They have their own "flavor" of Red Hat.)
My kids have tried to get me interested in some of the games they play.
The graphics are pretty impressive sometimes, but the games, themselves, often seem kind of repetitious and boring. It seems like they're doing
the same thing, over and over again.
Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
CrudeSausage wrote:
(idiocy snipped)
Really? What does the NYSE run?
I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.
On 12/22/24 7:14 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
CrudeSausage wrote:
(idiocy snipped)
Really? What does the NYSE run?
I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.
Sounds like some lame deflection attempt into what *nix flavor is on the
mainframe servers...
But for the traders, the Industry Standard is the Bloomberg Terminal.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomberg_Terminal>
The Bloomberg Terminal runs on Windows OS.
On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
CrudeSausage wrote:
(idiocy snipped)
Really? What does the NYSE run?
I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.
"Improved the user experience" is subjective. For me, the best "user experience, when writing (for example), is working in non-GUI environment. I'm sure that's not the case with most here. I'm guessing the "best" "user experience" with the NYSE is whatever platform gets the users the
information they want in the shortest possible amount of time.
On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-22 à 05:09, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
Le 21-12-2024, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :
And: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
Agreed. Now, a computer is not mandatory to play. There are other
possibilities.
I have to agree here. I just got a new monitor yesterday and both my
computer and Xbox Series S are plugged into it. I'm sure that the same
game running from the computer would look better than it does coming
from the console, but the games still look fantastic and I doubt that
some additional polygons would multiply the amount of fun one can have.
Besides, there are console exclusives like NHL that make it preferable.
My kids have tried to get me interested in some of the games they play. The graphics are pretty impressive sometimes, but the games, themselves, often seem kind of repetitious and boring. It seems like they're doing the same thing, over and over again.
On 2024-12-22, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
CrudeSausage wrote:
Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
CrudeSausage wrote:
(idiocy snipped)
Really? What does the NYSE run?
I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.
How a viable option of a robust and well-supported non-commercial OS
doesn't improve the user experience for millions for whom "the big
two" are inadequate is up to you to explain.
He thinks Windows is "prettier." I don't.
On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-22 à 01:06, rbowman a écrit :
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 05:25:09 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
On 2024-12-21, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and >>>>>> businesses are "married" to this crap) and Microsoft's has leverage >>>>>> with the computer manufacturers. Monopolies have a lot of inertiaNo purchasing manager was ever fired for specifying Microsoft.
that's hard to overcome. But you'll note that, for development
purposes, Microsoft is now including Linux in Windows. There's a
reason for that. And, as software moves to the "rental" phase and more >>>>>> and more of the applications move to the "Cloud", there will be less >>>>>> and less necessity to use Windows.
I wouldn't bet on it.
Leaving out the cloud I have to agree. Microsoft and the availability of >>> Microsoft Certified Whatevers makes pointy headed bosses sleep better at >>> night.
It's the same argument as the one that was made as to why IBM won over
superior platforms in the 1980s. At the very least, anyone who suggests
Microsoft can't be reprimanded because the boss knows that they will be
able to find a ton of people who can use the well-known software as well
as a ton of techs who can troubleshoot it. Even if they can't afford
that staff, there is lots of help online for most problems if they
search for it. That doesn't mean that the operating system is
necessarily better; it simply means that businesses take a lot less risk
in choosing one over the other.
I've always mentioned that I believe that in fields like education and
finance, everyone would be better off using open-source though. For
finance, you need a robust kernel and a filesystem which resists bit-rot
to keep those records. There shouldn't be a need to back up data daily
for fear that your records will corrupt (even though it is still clearly
smart to do so). Similarly, in education, if the public system desires
removing all financial barriers to learning, doesn't it make sense to
run an operating system which can be deployed to even the most
affordable hardware at no performance penalty and prioritize the use of
software which can be downloaded at no charge? I've actually asked this
many times in the past and the answer has always been that maintaining
the Linux servers is more costly and time-consuming to the technicians.
I imagine that it is because the slightest change in configuration
causes chaos across the board.
First off, what happened to all those people who kept suggesting IBM was a "no brainer" when it sank?
Second, do you really think important databases run on MicroSlop? Windows might be the front-end, but I'm willing to bet that most corporations run
SQL under Linux servers for their important records. You've heard of Oracle, right? (Not endorsing them, but they're the world's largest database
company, I believe. They have their own "flavor" of Red Hat.)
On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-22 à 00:30, RonB a écrit :
On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-21 à 17:36, RonB a écrit :
On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-21 à 14:02, rbowman a écrit :
https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-the-
games-industry/
I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of >>>>>>> effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs might
revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the boat or if
the industry will spring back?
Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for >>>>>>> serious people.
If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and >>>>>> academic institutions would be willing to run it, and invest in the >>>>>> people necessary to troubleshoot it. Instead, both have realized that >>>>>> its free cost does not result in savings of any kind because the
problems it causes often can't be resolved by even the most gifted of >>>>>> technical staff. That's why they use Windows, even with the security issues.
The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and >>>>> businesses are "married" to this crap)
They do use Microsoft Office but there is no denying that it is superior >>>> to what's available to Linux. Perhaps WPS Office can compete at some
level, but most people I know who use spreadsheet software say that
LibreOffice is sorely lacking in the functionality they use daily.
Additionally, they say that the functionality it does provide is nowhere >>>> near the level of Microsoft's.
I'm denying it. I despise MicroCrap Office. Worthless bloatware.
I used Calc in OpenOffice at work before LibreOffice ever existed. For my >>> purposes it worked fine. Spreadsheets are overused for data purposes anyhow.
If you want a database use a database software.
Your opinion on spreadsheets and the software used to make them won't
sway people like my wife who calculates financial risk and needs to
report it to the investors. For people like her, Calc is not even up for
consideration because Microsoft's software is robust and has been
offering reliable service for decades. There were stronger competitors
to Excel than Calc in the past, competitors that had already made lots
of headway, and they too were left in the dust. It's not all because of
"shady business practises" either.
I don't think "robustness" has anything to do with it. I think it comes down to what the others expect. It's basically a monopoly product and, as I mentioned with Windows, monopolies have an inertia loop that's hard for businesses to exit from. It has nothing to do with the supposed "quality" of the product — it has everything to do with "this is what we're used to using."
In my opinion M$ Office is bloated crapware that tries to "think" for you. But I was only occasionally forced to use it so I never got in stuck in the "inertia loop."
My wife uses Power Point. She originally used it because a template she purchased only worked with Power Point. Now she's used to using it, so
she'll probably keep using it as long as she needs to prepare classes. Just the way it works. People use what they're used to using. Inertia.
That's why so many still use the inferior Microsoft Windows crap OS.
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 06:04:16 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
My kids have tried to get me interested in some of the games they play.
The graphics are pretty impressive sometimes, but the games, themselves,
often seem kind of repetitious and boring. It seems like they're doing
the same thing, over and over again.
I played a few I enjoyed. One of the Rainbow Six series, Call of Duty, and Gears of War. The 'open' types like GTA or Assassin's Creed didn't do anything for me. I guess I need more structure rather than wandering
around trying to figure out what I'm supposed to do.
-hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On 12/22/24 7:14 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
CrudeSausage wrote:
(idiocy snipped)
Really? What does the NYSE run?
I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.
Sounds like some lame deflection attempt into what *nix flavor is on the
mainframe servers...
But for the traders, the Industry Standard is the Bloomberg Terminal.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomberg_Terminal>
The Bloomberg Terminal runs on Windows OS.
What about the London Stock Exchange?
I'm getting to the point where I'm not so much a Linux advocate. When
someone says they like Windows better, I just kind of shrug my shoulders
and say, "Okay." The only that bothers me is when I'm told that Linux is
hard to use, or requires constant tweaking. That's simply not the case
for me. Never has been (at least from 2007 when I started using it as my
main OS). There were challenges in the 90s and early 2000s. (Which is
partly why I didn't stick with it until about 2007.)
I never was very good at these kind of games. I haven't gotten any
better as I've aged. It looks kind of like a more elaborate version of Astroids from the old arcade days.
I turn off AI in my searches. I don't know about Brave or Bing, but in Firefox you just add the udm14 add-on and AI results are gone in Google.
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 09:44:59 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
I'm getting to the point where I'm not so much a Linux advocate. When
someone says they like Windows better, I just kind of shrug my shoulders
and say, "Okay." The only that bothers me is when I'm told that Linux is
hard to use, or requires constant tweaking. That's simply not the case
for me. Never has been (at least from 2007 when I started using it as my
main OS). There were challenges in the 90s and early 2000s. (Which is
partly why I didn't stick with it until about 2007.)
As I've mentioned I use both Windows and various Linux distros with very
much the same workload on both OSs. Unless you persistently screw yourself like FuddNut, I don't see any difference in usability. Sure, you can get
into Linux esoterica but it isn't a necessity like it was 25 years ago.
rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 09:44:59 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
I'm getting to the point where I'm not so much a Linux advocate. When
someone says they like Windows better, I just kind of shrug my shoulders >>> and say, "Okay." The only that bothers me is when I'm told that Linux is >>> hard to use, or requires constant tweaking. That's simply not the case
for me. Never has been (at least from 2007 when I started using it as my >>> main OS). There were challenges in the 90s and early 2000s. (Which is
partly why I didn't stick with it until about 2007.)
As I've mentioned I use both Windows and various Linux distros with very
much the same workload on both OSs. Unless you persistently screw yourself >> like FuddNut, I don't see any difference in usability. Sure, you can get
into Linux esoterica but it isn't a necessity like it was 25 years ago.
I see a big difference in usability, because I can completely customize Linux to my workflow. Windows? No so much.
Merry Christmas!
On 2024-12-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-23 à 01:04, RonB a écrit :
On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-22 à 05:09, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :My kids have tried to get me interested in some of the games they play. The >>> graphics are pretty impressive sometimes, but the games, themselves, often >>> seem kind of repetitious and boring. It seems like they're doing the same >>> thing, over and over again.
Le 21-12-2024, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :
And: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
Agreed. Now, a computer is not mandatory to play. There are other
possibilities.
I have to agree here. I just got a new monitor yesterday and both my
computer and Xbox Series S are plugged into it. I'm sure that the same >>>> game running from the computer would look better than it does coming
from the console, but the games still look fantastic and I doubt that
some additional polygons would multiply the amount of fun one can have. >>>> Besides, there are console exclusives like NHL that make it preferable. >>>
I would tell you that the one game which might have a chance of
interesting you is Geometry Wars. It is simple, addictive, easy to
understand the first time you play and it should even work without issue
in Linux.
I never was very good at these kind of games. I haven't gotten any better as I've aged. It looks kind of like a more elaborate version of Astroids from the old arcade days.
Well, I can tell you that there are certain advanced features people
need in Microsoft Office which seem to be unavailable to LibreOffice
users. Of course, they might just be somewhere else in the open suite,
like when I received a document with forms in .DOCX and had someone here
convert it to the equivalent in .ODT. At the same time, I don't use any
of the advanced features so LibreOffice has always been more than enough
for me. The only reason I use Microsoft's suite is because I got a
license for cheap. I can also use the 365 license I get from work for
free. Since I routinely receive documents from them to fill out, I have
no proper use for Libre.
I guess I've never had any use for these advanced features. All I know is that, when we would get Word Documents at the print shop, we had a heck of a time cleaning them up for Desk Top Application. Lot of hidden code.
In my opinion M$ Office is bloated crapware that tries to "think" for you. >>> But I was only occasionally forced to use it so I never got in stuck in the >>> "inertia loop."
I would extend that to Windows itself too. The way it has implemented AI
makes it clear that they don't want you thinking. Of course, there are
certain places where I appreciate the AI like in Brave Search or Bing
Search. There, if there is a certain technological question like what is
the benefit of one monitor over another, the engine quickly scours the
web for information and summarizes the data for me. That is much easier
than navigating to a bunch of websites which cannon a series of ads at me.
I turn off AI in my searches. I don't know about Brave or Bing, but in Firefox you just add the udm14 add-on and AI results are gone in Google.
My wife uses Power Point. She originally used it because a template she
purchased only worked with Power Point. Now she's used to using it, so
she'll probably keep using it as long as she needs to prepare classes. Just >>> the way it works. People use what they're used to using. Inertia.
That's why so many still use the inferior Microsoft Windows crap OS.
I can't argue that habit plays a big part in what people choose to use.
At the same time, that's why I usually load Linux Mint for whatever user
I help: it's not that unfamiliar.
Linux Mint is often suggested for those moving from Windows because it does work similarly (at least at the Desktop level). I'm sure that design is not by accident.
On 2024-12-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-23 à 01:30, RonB a écrit :
On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-22 à 01:06, rbowman a écrit :
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 05:25:09 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
On 2024-12-21, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and >>>>>>>> businesses are "married" to this crap) and Microsoft's has leverage >>>>>>>> with the computer manufacturers. Monopolies have a lot of inertia >>>>>>>> that's hard to overcome. But you'll note that, for development >>>>>>>> purposes, Microsoft is now including Linux in Windows. There's a >>>>>>>> reason for that. And, as software moves to the "rental" phase and more >>>>>>>> and more of the applications move to the "Cloud", there will be less >>>>>>>> and less necessity to use Windows.No purchasing manager was ever fired for specifying Microsoft.
I wouldn't bet on it.
Leaving out the cloud I have to agree. Microsoft and the availability of >>>>> Microsoft Certified Whatevers makes pointy headed bosses sleep better at >>>>> night.
It's the same argument as the one that was made as to why IBM won over >>>> superior platforms in the 1980s. At the very least, anyone who suggests >>>> Microsoft can't be reprimanded because the boss knows that they will be >>>> able to find a ton of people who can use the well-known software as well >>>> as a ton of techs who can troubleshoot it. Even if they can't afford
that staff, there is lots of help online for most problems if they
search for it. That doesn't mean that the operating system is
necessarily better; it simply means that businesses take a lot less risk >>>> in choosing one over the other.
I've always mentioned that I believe that in fields like education and >>>> finance, everyone would be better off using open-source though. For
finance, you need a robust kernel and a filesystem which resists bit-rot >>>> to keep those records. There shouldn't be a need to back up data daily >>>> for fear that your records will corrupt (even though it is still clearly >>>> smart to do so). Similarly, in education, if the public system desires >>>> removing all financial barriers to learning, doesn't it make sense to
run an operating system which can be deployed to even the most
affordable hardware at no performance penalty and prioritize the use of >>>> software which can be downloaded at no charge? I've actually asked this >>>> many times in the past and the answer has always been that maintaining >>>> the Linux servers is more costly and time-consuming to the technicians. >>>> I imagine that it is because the slightest change in configuration
causes chaos across the board.
First off, what happened to all those people who kept suggesting IBM was a >>> "no brainer" when it sank?
By the time IBM sank, all of the standards they have introduced except
for PS/2 (for mice and keyboards) had already been abandoned.
Third-parties were already making better PCs than IBM was so suggesting
that company was no longer necessary. However, even if people chose to
suggest IBM anyway, they would have gotten ThinkPads which were
spectacular computers. Only the IBM hard disks became notoriously awful
by the end.
I just brought up IBM because they used to say the same thing about them. "You can't go wrong suggesting IBM."
Second, do you really think important databases run on MicroSlop? Windows >>> might be the front-end, but I'm willing to bet that most corporations run >>> SQL under Linux servers for their important records. You've heard of Oracle,
right? (Not endorsing them, but they're the world's largest database
company, I believe. They have their own "flavor" of Red Hat.)
I'm becoming increasingly aware of how ubiquitous Linux is. Clearly, it
has made inroads in areas where failure is not an option. I'm not
against using it again, especially if sticking to Windows introduces new
issues like the fTPM stuttering I mentioned before (I don't think Linux
necessarily resolves this issue as much as offers ways to circumvent it
which are not available to Windows users).
I'm getting to the point where I'm not so much a Linux advocate. When
someone says they like Windows better, I just kind of shrug my shoulders and say, "Okay." The only that bothers me is when I'm told that Linux is hard to use, or requires constant tweaking. That's simply not the case for me. Never has been (at least from 2007 when I started using it as my main OS). There were challenges in the 90s and early 2000s. (Which is partly why I didn't stick with it until about 2007.)
On 2024-12-27, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
On 2024-12-24 04:39, RonB wrote:
< snip >
Well, I can tell you that there are certain advanced features people
need in Microsoft Office which seem to be unavailable to LibreOffice
users. Of course, they might just be somewhere else in the open suite, >>>> like when I received a document with forms in .DOCX and had someone here >>>> convert it to the equivalent in .ODT. At the same time, I don't use any >>>> of the advanced features so LibreOffice has always been more than enough >>>> for me. The only reason I use Microsoft's suite is because I got a
license for cheap. I can also use the 365 license I get from work for
free. Since I routinely receive documents from them to fill out, I have >>>> no proper use for Libre.
I guess I've never had any use for these advanced features. All I know is >>> that, when we would get Word Documents at the print shop, we had a heck of a
time cleaning them up for Desk Top Application. Lot of hidden code.
I believe that is part of the reason why legal offices still prefer
WordPerfect Office over Microsoft's software.
I think WordPerfect also has special templates for lawyers. And, I'm guessing, it's inertia thing again. WordPerfect got popular for lawyers, so they keep using it.
I turn off AI in my searches. I don't know about Brave or Bing, but inIn my opinion M$ Office is bloated crapware that tries to "think" for you.
But I was only occasionally forced to use it so I never got in stuck in the
"inertia loop."
I would extend that to Windows itself too. The way it has implemented AI >>>> makes it clear that they don't want you thinking. Of course, there are >>>> certain places where I appreciate the AI like in Brave Search or Bing
Search. There, if there is a certain technological question like what is >>>> the benefit of one monitor over another, the engine quickly scours the >>>> web for information and summarizes the data for me. That is much easier >>>> than navigating to a bunch of websites which cannon a series of ads at me. >>>
Firefox you just add the udm14 add-on and AI results are gone in Google.
I'm a big fan of Brave's AI, to be honest. When I was looking up the
fTPM problem I mentioned in a previous post, it saved me a lot of time
by telling me what people were saying, how to fix it, whether or not
Linux is affected and so on. Had I been forced to read all that content
on my own, I'd probably get discouraged. In fact, I might never have
learned that the Linux kernel actually addresses the problem and allows
you to circumvent the issue entirely.
I've been using Firefox for so long that I don't think I would want to move away from it. I can customize so it's very minimal and that's something I _do_ do on new installs, get Firefox working the way I like it.
My impression of AI is just not very good. It always sounds like an informercial to me. And it pisses me off that these AI server farms use as much power as whole cities and not a damn peep (or very muted whining) about it from the climate screechers — who keep trying to get us (personally) to use less and less power. I guess the AI server farms are more important than people.
My wife uses Power Point. She originally used it because a template she >>>>> purchased only worked with Power Point. Now she's used to using it, so >>>>> she'll probably keep using it as long as she needs to prepare classes. Just
the way it works. People use what they're used to using. Inertia.
That's why so many still use the inferior Microsoft Windows crap OS.
I can't argue that habit plays a big part in what people choose to use. >>>> At the same time, that's why I usually load Linux Mint for whatever user >>>> I help: it's not that unfamiliar.
Linux Mint is often suggested for those moving from Windows because it does >>> work similarly (at least at the Desktop level). I'm sure that design is not >>> by accident.
I chose Fedora this time around because www.asus-linux.org offers a
comprehensive guide for the distribution to make sure that everything
you want works as it should on your hardware. I chose the KDE flavour
and it more or less behaves like a snappier Windows.
I could use Fedora (especially with the Cinnamon spin) without much trouble. Synaptic is better than Fedora's install application and Linux Mint has nice little utilities built-in, but (for when it matters) you're trading "cutting edge" for a little more convenience. (A trade I don't mind making.) In
Linux Mint, if I install EasyEffects (for example), I'll have to use FlatPak instead of the repository (at least in version 21). So there's pros and
cons.
On 2024-12-27, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
On 2024-12-24 04:44, RonB wrote:
On 2024-12-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-23 à 01:30, RonB a écrit :
On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-22 à 01:06, rbowman a écrit :
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 05:25:09 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
On 2024-12-21, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:I wouldn't bet on it.
The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and >>>>>>>>>> businesses are "married" to this crap) and Microsoft's has leverage >>>>>>>>>> with the computer manufacturers. Monopolies have a lot of inertia >>>>>>>>>> that's hard to overcome. But you'll note that, for development >>>>>>>>>> purposes, Microsoft is now including Linux in Windows. There's a >>>>>>>>>> reason for that. And, as software moves to the "rental" phase and moreNo purchasing manager was ever fired for specifying Microsoft. >>>>>>>>
and more of the applications move to the "Cloud", there will be less >>>>>>>>>> and less necessity to use Windows.
Leaving out the cloud I have to agree. Microsoft and the availability of
Microsoft Certified Whatevers makes pointy headed bosses sleep better at
night.
It's the same argument as the one that was made as to why IBM won over >>>>>> superior platforms in the 1980s. At the very least, anyone who suggests >>>>>> Microsoft can't be reprimanded because the boss knows that they will be >>>>>> able to find a ton of people who can use the well-known software as well >>>>>> as a ton of techs who can troubleshoot it. Even if they can't afford >>>>>> that staff, there is lots of help online for most problems if they >>>>>> search for it. That doesn't mean that the operating system is
necessarily better; it simply means that businesses take a lot less risk >>>>>> in choosing one over the other.
I've always mentioned that I believe that in fields like education and >>>>>> finance, everyone would be better off using open-source though. For >>>>>> finance, you need a robust kernel and a filesystem which resists bit-rot >>>>>> to keep those records. There shouldn't be a need to back up data daily >>>>>> for fear that your records will corrupt (even though it is still clearly >>>>>> smart to do so). Similarly, in education, if the public system desires >>>>>> removing all financial barriers to learning, doesn't it make sense to >>>>>> run an operating system which can be deployed to even the most
affordable hardware at no performance penalty and prioritize the use of >>>>>> software which can be downloaded at no charge? I've actually asked this >>>>>> many times in the past and the answer has always been that maintaining >>>>>> the Linux servers is more costly and time-consuming to the technicians. >>>>>> I imagine that it is because the slightest change in configuration >>>>>> causes chaos across the board.
First off, what happened to all those people who kept suggesting IBM was a
"no brainer" when it sank?
By the time IBM sank, all of the standards they have introduced except >>>> for PS/2 (for mice and keyboards) had already been abandoned.
Third-parties were already making better PCs than IBM was so suggesting >>>> that company was no longer necessary. However, even if people chose to >>>> suggest IBM anyway, they would have gotten ThinkPads which were
spectacular computers. Only the IBM hard disks became notoriously awful >>>> by the end.
I just brought up IBM because they used to say the same thing about them. >>> "You can't go wrong suggesting IBM."
Second, do you really think important databases run on MicroSlop? Windows >>>>> might be the front-end, but I'm willing to bet that most corporations run >>>>> SQL under Linux servers for their important records. You've heard of Oracle,
right? (Not endorsing them, but they're the world's largest database >>>>> company, I believe. They have their own "flavor" of Red Hat.)
I'm becoming increasingly aware of how ubiquitous Linux is. Clearly, it >>>> has made inroads in areas where failure is not an option. I'm not
against using it again, especially if sticking to Windows introduces new >>>> issues like the fTPM stuttering I mentioned before (I don't think Linux >>>> necessarily resolves this issue as much as offers ways to circumvent it >>>> which are not available to Windows users).
I'm getting to the point where I'm not so much a Linux advocate. When
someone says they like Windows better, I just kind of shrug my shoulders and
say, "Okay." The only that bothers me is when I'm told that Linux is hard to
use, or requires constant tweaking. That's simply not the case for me. Never
has been (at least from 2007 when I started using it as my main OS). There >>> were challenges in the 90s and early 2000s. (Which is partly why I didn't >>> stick with it until about 2007.)
I'll be honest: Linux is easier to set up on hardware than Windows. In
fact, even hardware encryption is easier to set up on Linux than it is
on Windows. I just wish I hadn't already gone through the process with
Microsoft's OS because I'm at a loss as to how to "take ownership" of my
nvme to complete the encryption process in Linux. Despite the fact that
the nvme's PSID was reverted and the drive was erased securely, it still
seems to have a tie to Windows. No matter.
I stay away from encryption, so can't be any help here.
That's probably true. I never got too far into using it because the
"legal" license I bought on eBay turned out not to be legal. One update
later and poof, no more functionality.
Sorry to hear that. I, personally, never was a big WordPerfect fan. My "favorite" Windows word processor was WordPro, but usually used WordStar 7 for DOS. (Still do in DOBox-X.)
I swore not to use Firefox but it looks like it's the best browser on
Linux if you don't want your dGPU to be used needlessly, and if you want
gestures to work as they should. Using Firefox, I can flick two fingers
back and forth to go to the previous web page or the next one, but it
doesn't work anywhere else. If I use Brave, it ignores the fact that I
don't want hardware acceleration too whereas Firefox respects my wishes.
My brother is the same way about firefox. I've tried Brave and several others, but I guess I'm a creature of habit. I don't do any of the fancy gestures, however. And uBlock Origin (the full version) works well in Firefox.
You have the same kind of choice in Fedora as it relates to Flatpaks and
the rest. It's actually kind of annoying when you're looking for
applications because you're never sure which version will integrate best
with the rest of your system.
I'm figuring out FlatPaks. Basically all the configuration files are in
/.var (in your home directory) and /var in the root directory. I still try
to find the application in the repository first.
On 2024-12-28, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
On 2024-12-28 02:14, RonB wrote:
That's probably true. I never got too far into using it because the
"legal" license I bought on eBay turned out not to be legal. One update >>>> later and poof, no more functionality.
Sorry to hear that. I, personally, never was a big WordPerfect fan. My
"favorite" Windows word processor was WordPro, but usually used WordStar 7 >>> for DOS. (Still do in DOBox-X.)
In the short time I used it, I thought it had the most outdated
interface. However, its dictionary features were superior to Microsoft's
and this is very important if you're writing.
I swore not to use Firefox but it looks like it's the best browser onMy brother is the same way about firefox. I've tried Brave and several
Linux if you don't want your dGPU to be used needlessly, and if you want >>>> gestures to work as they should. Using Firefox, I can flick two fingers >>>> back and forth to go to the previous web page or the next one, but it
doesn't work anywhere else. If I use Brave, it ignores the fact that I >>>> don't want hardware acceleration too whereas Firefox respects my wishes. >>>
others, but I guess I'm a creature of habit. I don't do any of the fancy >>> gestures, however. And uBlock Origin (the full version) works well in
Firefox.
And it will continue to work in Firefox because it won't be affected by
Google's decisions to stop supporting Manifest v2. People often forget
that the base for most browsers out there is developed by Google and
that they don't benefit in any way from people using an ad-blocker.
You have the same kind of choice in Fedora as it relates to Flatpaks and >>>> the rest. It's actually kind of annoying when you're looking for
applications because you're never sure which version will integrate best >>>> with the rest of your system.
I'm figuring out FlatPaks. Basically all the configuration files are in
/.var (in your home directory) and /var in the root directory. I still try >>> to find the application in the repository first.
The repository version is always going to be the fastest, but it is
likely to be outdated in some cases. That's part of why people prefer a
Flatpak which doesn't depend on the distribution developers to update
their package. It also has some additional security though I don't
believe that it is really all that effective.
I understand. I use some FlatPaks specifically because they are newer. Usually, though, I'll only use a FlatPak when the application is not available in the repository.
I understand. I use some FlatPaks specifically because they are newer. Usually, though, I'll only use a FlatPak when the application is not available in the repository.
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 14:42:38 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and
academic institutions would be willing to run it,
Hey. Hey, mutherfucker.
_I_ am an academic.
I hold a Masters degree with three papers published
in peer-reviewed scientific journals.
I am also on the adjunct faculty
of several community colleges.
_I_ also operate a highly successful business.
What OS do I use exclusively? "GNU/Linux" is the answer.
So "Fuck you!" and your imbecilic suppositions.
What do you do? What have you accomplished?
I asked: "What do you do? What have you accomplished?"
Huh? What?
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
You are a fucking loser
that has no business commenting
on GNU/Linux, which is the greatest OS in the history of
technical man.
On 12/21/2024 3:43 PM, Lying Larry Piet wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 14:42:38 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and >>> academic institutions would be willing to run it,
Hey. Hey, mutherfucker.
_I_ am an academic.
How many instances and what subjects have you taught the last 2 years?
I hold a Masters degree with three papers published
in peer-reviewed scientific journals.
There's no online record of an academic paper authored or co-authored by Larry Andrew Piet or Pietraskiewicz, or any combo of those names.
Which means you're very likely a LIAR.
I am also on the adjunct faculty
of several community colleges.
Macomb Community College:
Acceptance rate: 100%.
Graduation rate:Â 16% (within 3 years)
Aim for the stars, princess!
You are a fucking loser
From what I know about the two of you, Slimer is by far the more well- rounded, accomplished person.
He's not a programmer, but neither are you.
When I was a kid, I was top of class and understood the material so
easily that every teacher was convinced that I would do marvelous
things. I understood things so easily that I got a little lazy with my >studies and was distracted by things like girls and an acne problem that >truly killed my self-confidence. People don't understand what it is like
to be the one suffering from that, so they offer little to no sympathy
to those afflicted. Anyways, studies took a backseat. Even though I had >pretty good grades in high school, I should have been top of the class
and ended up becoming an engineer or a doctor. However, even by 17 I
knew that I probably had Seasonal Affective Disorder and that working
summers was going to kill me. Therefore, teaching became the most
obvious solution.
There is no shortage of great intellect in my family. Two of my cousins
are already doctors, their little sister will be a veterinarian, my
cousin was programming in BASIC by the age of 5 and Assembler by 10 or
so, and the generation before ours was packed with engineers (if they
were second-generation Canadians, anyway). Being anything less than a >university graduate was considered disappointing.
CrudeSausage wrote:
When I was a kid, I was top of class and understood the material so
easily that every teacher was convinced that I would do marvelous
things. I understood things so easily that I got a little lazy with my
studies and was distracted by things like girls and an acne problem that
truly killed my self-confidence. People don't understand what it is like
to be the one suffering from that, so they offer little to no sympathy
to those afflicted. Anyways, studies took a backseat. Even though I had
pretty good grades in high school, I should have been top of the class
and ended up becoming an engineer or a doctor. However, even by 17 I
knew that I probably had Seasonal Affective Disorder and that working
summers was going to kill me. Therefore, teaching became the most
obvious solution.
I was always top of my classes, up until I became a "burnout" in high
school, anyway. I didn't even graduate. Fortunately, I eventually
grew-up and went back to school.
Even during my worst years I was a computer nerd, and I think that I
always knew that I'd eventually get my shit together and work with
computers. I realized that eventually I would need to work for a
living, and I didn't want it to be digging ditches.
There is no shortage of great intellect in my family. Two of my cousins
are already doctors, their little sister will be a veterinarian, my
cousin was programming in BASIC by the age of 5 and Assembler by 10 or
so, and the generation before ours was packed with engineers (if they
were second-generation Canadians, anyway). Being anything less than a
university graduate was considered disappointing.
I have two brothers. One is a doctor, the other a lawyer. As an
engineer, I'm low man on the totem pole, I guess. But we all found
our niche in life, which is huge.
chrisv wrote:
I have two brothers. One is a doctor, the other a lawyer. As an
engineer, I'm low man on the totem pole, I guess. But we all found
our niche in life, which is huge.
I'm come to terms with the fact that teaching, while not always ideal,
is probably the most enjoyable job I would have had. If you've enjoyed
what you've been doing so far, there is no reason to question it.
I've often thought that I should have went into programming as a
profession. I programmed a lot when I was young, and really enjoyed
it. The only times at work when I felt that I was having so much fun
that I didn't want to go home for the evening was when I was
programming.
CrudeSausage wrote:
chrisv wrote:
I have two brothers. One is a doctor, the other a lawyer. As an
engineer, I'm low man on the totem pole, I guess. But we all found
our niche in life, which is huge.
I'm come to terms with the fact that teaching, while not always ideal,
is probably the most enjoyable job I would have had. If you've enjoyed
what you've been doing so far, there is no reason to question it.
I've often thought that I should have went into programming as a
profession. I programmed a lot when I was young, and really enjoyed
it. The only times at work when I felt that I was having so much fun
that I didn't want to go home for the evening was when I was
programming.
But I had my safe, and tolerable, niche in electronics manufacturing,
and I was too cowardly to risk the career change.
Poor choice. You would have immediately stopped having fun
if you had been hired.
The kinds of shit programming that occurs in most commercial
businesses would make any intelligent person cringe. It's all
bullshit from start to finish, especially in the web arena.
That's why I quit and I am extremely glad that I did.
For me, the only exception would be HPC, but that usually requires
a PhD in computational physics, and that's something which I did
not have (close but no cigar).
So nobody can work with you for
more than an hour (the time required to realize their mistake to have
trusted you).
OK, I'll have to fall back on a French website,
But I had my safe, and tolerable, niche in electronics manufacturing,
and I was too cowardly to risk the career change.
On 11 Jan 2025 19:31:20 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
So nobody can work with you for
more than an hour (the time required to realize their mistake to have
trusted you).
An hour! It's more like 10 fucking minutes.
I do not tolerate idiots and it doesn't take me an hour to discern
that someone, like YOU, is a total idiot.
Then I throw his ass out.
OK, I'll have to fall back on a French website,
Fuck the French.
They do nothing.
In fact I have an image from the École polytechnique that was
processed from the RAW file by some "expert" from there. The
result is shit compared to my processing.
You, of course, will claim disbelief
but you can go and fuck yourself.
But if you prove that you are worthy I just may allow you to
view the comparative results.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 08:15:13 -0600, chrisv wrote:
I've often thought that I should have went into programming as a
profession. I programmed a lot when I was young, and really enjoyed
it. The only times at work when I felt that I was having so much fun
that I didn't want to go home for the evening was when I was
programming.
Poor choice. You would have immediately stopped having fun
if you had been hired.
The kinds of shit programming that occurs
in most commercial businesses would make any intelligent person
cringe. It's all bullshit from start to finish, especially in
the web arena.
That's why I quit and I am extremely glad that I did.
For me, the only exception would be HPC, but that usually requires
a PhD in computational physics, and that's something which I did
not have (close but no cigar).
So congratulate yourself on your choice. The commercial programming environment is pure shit and with the AI bubble it will get even
worse.
CrudeSausage wrote:
chrisv wrote:
I've often thought that I should have went into programming as a
profession. I programmed a lot when I was young, and really enjoyed
it. The only times at work when I felt that I was having so much fun
that I didn't want to go home for the evening was when I was
programming.
But I had my safe, and tolerable, niche in electronics manufacturing,
and I was too cowardly to risk the career change.
Even if I had learned to program more than I did, I was always worried
that there would be faster and better programmers out there. As a
result, I was worried that if I had gone into that field, I would never
have been able to hold down a job for long. There's a chance that I
would have fallen in love with it and done everything to get much
better, but I have to admit that I was never that enamoured with it either.
I was concerned about the stability of the programming job. A project
gets axed, or completed, and the programmers might be let-go. In my
job, I'm well embedded into the system, helping to explain my 30+ year tenure. Now, as the "OG", I know a lot of stuff that no one else
does.
chrisv wrote:
I've often thought that I should have went into programming as a
profession. I programmed a lot when I was young, and really enjoyed
it. The only times at work when I felt that I was having so much fun
that I didn't want to go home for the evening was when I was
programming.
But I had my safe, and tolerable, niche in electronics manufacturing,
and I was too cowardly to risk the career change.
Even if I had learned to program more than I did, I was always worried
that there would be faster and better programmers out there. As a
result, I was worried that if I had gone into that field, I would never
have been able to hold down a job for long. There's a chance that I
would have fallen in love with it and done everything to get much
better, but I have to admit that I was never that enamoured with it either.
Farley Flud wrote:
Poor choice. You would have immediately stopped having fun
if you had been hired.
It's impressive. Your stupidity has no boundary. You are always able to >surpass yourself. There is no reason to look for a job you don't like.
Most people on the planet can't choose their job: they have to do a
difficult job for a bad salary provided them just enough money to eat.
And sometime, the job that destroy their health doesn't even not provide
them enough money to eat. So having the possibility to get a well payed
job you like is a blessing. Only a brain dead first class moron like you >can't understand that.
The kinds of shit programming that occurs in most commercial
businesses would make any intelligent person cringe. It's all
bullshit from start to finish, especially in the web arena.
You don't explain why he shouldn't have fun.
I taught my kids to pick a career that they enjoyed rather than look for
pure money.
Of course money is the #1 criteria for young folks but being miserable
even if making lot's of money sucks.
I was concerned about the stability of the programming job. A project
gets axed, or completed, and the programmers might be let-go. In my
job, I'm well embedded into the system, helping to explain my 30+ year tenure. Now, as the "OG", I know a lot of stuff that no one else does.
Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Farley Flud wrote:
Poor choice. You would have immediately stopped having fun
if you had been hired.
It's impressive. Your stupidity has no boundary. You are always able to >>surpass yourself. There is no reason to look for a job you don't like.
Most people on the planet can't choose their job: they have to do a >>difficult job for a bad salary provided them just enough money to eat.
And sometime, the job that destroy their health doesn't even not provide >>them enough money to eat. So having the possibility to get a well payed
job you like is a blessing. Only a brain dead first class moron like you >>can't understand that.
The kinds of shit programming that occurs in most commercial
businesses would make any intelligent person cringe. It's all
bullshit from start to finish, especially in the web arena.
You don't explain why he shouldn't have fun.
Yeah, having a job that is actually fun is "the dream" that not many
people get to live. Plus you'll out-perform everyone who is only
doing it for the paycheck.
Not to disparage my job. It's OK. Sometimes fun. I'm fscking-around
with computers and electronics all day, so it's what I like and am
good at.
chrisv wrote:
I taught my kids to pick a career that they enjoyed rather than look for
Yeah, having a job that is actually fun is "the dream" that not many
people get to live. Plus you'll out-perform everyone who is only
doing it for the paycheck.
Not to disparage my job. It's OK. Sometimes fun. I'm fscking-around
with computers and electronics all day, so it's what I like and am
good at.
pure money.
Of course money is the #1 criteria for young folks but being miserable
even if making lot's of money sucks.
All my kids turned out fine.
Different professions, different salaries, but all happy with their choice.
So here is the only certificate you ever get, because it's easy to put your name on it and it shows exactly your ability to work with others.
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 01:16:05 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
I taught my kids to pick a career that they enjoyed rather than look for
pure money.
Of course money is the #1 criteria for young folks but being miserable
even if making lot's of money sucks.
Three months was my limit for any job I didn't enjoy. One evening at the
Cafe Lena I overheard two couple that looked like 'young professionals' at the adjacent table talking between acts. The topic: how much our jobs
suck. All four of them hated whatever they were doing.
The Lena was sort of a proto-hippie coffee house and I wanted to yell
'Tune In! Turn On! Drop Out!'
CrudeSausage wrote:
chrisv wrote:
I've often thought that I should have went into programming as a
profession. I programmed a lot when I was young, and really enjoyed
it. The only times at work when I felt that I was having so much fun
that I didn't want to go home for the evening was when I was
programming.
But I had my safe, and tolerable, niche in electronics manufacturing,
and I was too cowardly to risk the career change.
Even if I had learned to program more than I did, I was always worried
that there would be faster and better programmers out there. As a
result, I was worried that if I had gone into that field, I would never
have been able to hold down a job for long. There's a chance that I
would have fallen in love with it and done everything to get much
better, but I have to admit that I was never that enamoured with it either.
I was concerned about the stability of the programming job. A project
gets axed, or completed, and the programmers might be let-go.
In my job, I'm well embedded into the system, helping to explain
my 30+ year tenure. Now, as the "OG", I know a lot of stuff that
no one else does.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 08:15:13 -0600, chrisv wrote:
But I had my safe, and tolerable, niche in electronics manufacturing,
and I was too cowardly to risk the career change.
My career started in the machine tool industry, which at the time was
mostly based on relay logic. As microcontrollers entered the mix, drawing ladder diagrams and wiring up ice cube relays was replaced by programming. Logic is logic.
With my first exposure to programming being FORTRAN IV and punch cards I wasn't interested in programming. When it got to the point where I could wire-wrap a board on the kitchen table and program it the field became interesting.
I went into physics because I thought I would become bored with programming.
Yeah, having a job that is actually fun is "the dream" that not many
people get to live.
Le 12-01-2025, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
I went into physics because I thought I would become bored with programming.
I can understand one can become bored with programming in some company
doing always the same stuff. But in a general way, I don't understand
how one can get bored with programming. And that's one thing DFS will
never be able to contest about the superiority of FOSS over proprietary software.
With proprietary software, to get chalenges in programming,
you have to get hired by the company to work on it first. With FOSS,
there are so many lines of codes in so many programming languages
waiting for you to improve them that you can have fun as long as you
want.
I don't work with others
because most people are too slow
and too stupid,
just like all the jackasses on this NG.
I am not being arrogant.
This is a fact of reality.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 17:47:28 -0600, chrisv wrote:
Yeah, having a job that is actually fun is "the dream" that not many
people get to live.
If you want to have fun with programming then start your own FOSS project. You will get to work on something that you enjoy as well as provide the
world with something useful.
I have a couple of software projects (all C of course) that are
waiting in the wings.
But the code has to be more than good. It has to be perfect.
On 1/12/2025 8:05 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 12-01-2025, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
I went into physics because I thought I would become bored with programming.
I can understand one can become bored with programming in some company
doing always the same stuff. But in a general way, I don't understand
how one can get bored with programming. And that's one thing DFS will
never be able to contest about the superiority of FOSS over proprietary
software.
What superiority are you referring to?
With proprietary software, to get chalenges in programming,
you have to get hired by the company to work on it first. With FOSS,
there are so many lines of codes in so many programming languages
waiting for you to improve them that you can have fun as long as you
want.
That's why it's called hobbyware.
On 1/12/2025 4:08 AM, Lying Larry Pietraskiewicz wrote:
and too stupid,
"Anyone probably could beat me in a coding contest."
Your stupidity is basically endless.
just like all the jackasses on this NG.
You being the main jackass.
If you were anything close to what you say you are (academic, research scientist, computer scientist, material scientist, electrical engineer, mechanical engineer, mathematician, psychiatrist, knows EVERYTHING,
writes perfect code, is NEVER wrong), you'd have a successful career or tenure at a good school.
Le 12-01-2025, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
On 1/12/2025 8:05 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 12-01-2025, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
I went into physics because I thought I would become bored with programming.
I can understand one can become bored with programming in some company
doing always the same stuff. But in a general way, I don't understand
how one can get bored with programming. And that's one thing DFS will
never be able to contest about the superiority of FOSS over proprietary
software.
What superiority are you referring to?
That's what I explained just after.
With proprietary software, to get chalenges in programming,
you have to get hired by the company to work on it first. With FOSS,
there are so many lines of codes in so many programming languages
waiting for you to improve them that you can have fun as long as you
want.
That's why it's called hobbyware.
There is no incompatibility between having fun and contributing to great things. You can choose what you want with FOSS, you have to be hired to
do the same thing in a company.
I don't believe that.
I can understand one can become bored with programming in some company
doing always the same stuff. But in a general way, I don't understand
how one can get bored with programming.
It's not always that easy. If you have never been able to learn anything useful, the job offer is limited. When you have two opportunities will
good salaries, it's easy to pick the most enjoyable one even if it means
a little bit less money. But if anybody can take the jobs you can
choose, then the probability that the offers are at the same time poorly remunerated and uninteresting is high.
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