Today I began assembling my new GNU/Linux machine. Inserting the
Xeon W-1270P and 32Gb of ECC memory was, of course, no problem.

However, the heat sink was a fucking bitch.

The Intel heat sink, based on a heat pipe design, is more than adequate
to dissipate the 125 Watts across a mere 1 inch square CPU.

But the attachment is the problem.

Four screws attach the heat sink to the MB and each screw is located directly beneath the heat sink vanes. There is no fucking way to get a Phillips head screwdriver into position.

Well, Intel does provide "tunnels" through the vanes to accommodate a screwdriver
but an 8-inch screwdriver shaft would be needed. The best I have is a shaft of about
4 inches.

I ain't about to purchase a screwdriver with an 8-inch shaft.

I have 1/4" screwdriver sockets with a 12-inch shaft but those will not fit through
the heat sink "tunnels."

So I have to take my Phillips screwdriver with a 4-inch shaft and angle it about
30 degrees and then provide additional force to tighten the screws. It works but
it is not the ideal solution.

Why can't these assholes inform the buyer that special tools may be needed?

Anyway, the worst is over. All I need is a vid card and a power supply and I will
bring it to life.

This will happen in the weeks ahead.

There's no hurry.

Rome was not built in a day.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!


--
Gentoo: The Fastest GNU/Linux Hands Down

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Farley Flud wrote:

Well, Intel does provide "tunnels" through the vanes to accommodate a screwdriver
but an 8-inch screwdriver shaft would be needed.

I've never seen an Intel heatsick that large!

The best I have is a shaft of about 4 inches.

Poor you. 8)

Anyway, the worst is over. All I need is a vid card and a power supply and I will
bring it to life.

This will happen in the weeks ahead.

There's no hurry.

I agree it's best to stretch-out the fun (and the frustration). I'm
building a new PC myself, this Winter. I've got everything except the
power supply and heatsink/fan, which are back-ordered. I can borrow
those items from work to play some before they arrive.

--
"My whole claim is that JPGs can and often do have EXIF data (but need
not to). [Peter Köhlmann] claims I am wrong." - some thing, lying shamelessly (but no one can quote it lying)

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On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:22:44 -0600, chrisv wrote:

I've never seen an Intel heatsick that large!

A lot of heat-pipe based heat sinks are even taller.

The problem is that going in at a 30 degree angle risks stripping
the heads of those cheap Chinese screws (they are like butter).

Home Depot/Lowes/Etc. are full of that cheap Chinese hardware.
I've had bolt heads rip off with only moderate tightening.

A master craftsman has no alternative except maybe McMaster-Carr.

The funny thing about this install however is that Intel actually supplied
too much heat sink grease. I expected those cheap bastards to provide
only a small token amount but I actually used only half of what they gave.


--
Gentoo: The Fastest GNU/Linux Hands Down

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On 2024-12-25, Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> wrote:

On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:22:44 -0600, chrisv wrote:

I've never seen an Intel heatsick that large!

A lot of heat-pipe based heat sinks are even taller.

The problem is that going in at a 30 degree angle risks stripping
the heads of those cheap Chinese screws (they are like butter).

Home Depot/Lowes/Etc. are full of that cheap Chinese hardware.
I've had bolt heads rip off with only moderate tightening.

A master craftsman has no alternative except maybe McMaster-Carr.

The funny thing about this install however is that Intel actually supplied too much heat sink grease. I expected those cheap bastards to provide
only a small token amount but I actually used only half of what they gave.

Packaged with the CPU Intel heat sinks are barely adequate.
Do yourself a favor and get something like a Noctua or similar.
They are much better.

As for thermal compound, if it's an Intel CPU, 4 very small dots in each
corner and one in the middle.
Don't spread it.
Install your cooler on top of if and you will be fine.
Make sure all of your clips are tight.
Problem solved.



--
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All about snit read below. Links courtesy of Ron:

Example of Snit trolling in real time:

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/biFilzgCcVg/m/eUcNGw6lP7UJ>

All about the snit troll:

<https://web.archive.org/web/20181028000459/http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/snit.html>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529062255/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitLieMethods.html>

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On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 02:25:37 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

Packaged with the CPU Intel heat sinks are barely adequate.
Do yourself a favor and get something like a Noctua or similar.
They are much better.

This is not a stock Intel heat sink:

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-004C-00093





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pothead wrote:

As for thermal compound, if it's an Intel CPU, 4 very small dots in each >corner and one in the middle.
Don't spread it.
Install your cooler on top of if and you will be fine.

There's more than one right way to do that, of course. I always press
down and remove, so that I can look to see that there are no voids.

--
"Linux on the desktop isn't looking very viable." - Larry "message
ID" Qualig

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On 2024-12-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

pothead wrote:

As for thermal compound, if it's an Intel CPU, 4 very small dots in each >>corner and one in the middle.
Don't spread it.
Install your cooler on top of if and you will be fine.

There's more than one right way to do that, of course. I always press
down and remove, so that I can look to see that there are no voids.

Same.
I peek as well :)

--
pothead

All about snit read below. Links courtesy of Ron:

Example of Snit trolling in real time:

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/biFilzgCcVg/m/eUcNGw6lP7UJ>

All about the snit troll:

<https://web.archive.org/web/20181028000459/http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/snit.html>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529062255/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitLieMethods.html>

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On 12/25/24 1:22 PM, chrisv wrote:

Farley Flud wrote:

Well, Intel does provide "tunnels" through the vanes to accommodate a screwdriver
but an 8-inch screwdriver shaft would be needed.

I've never seen an Intel heatsick that large!

The best I have is a shaft of about 4 inches.

Poor you. 8)

Anyway, the worst is over. All I need is a vid card and a power supply and I will
bring it to life.

This will happen in the weeks ahead.

There's no hurry.

I agree it's best to stretch-out the fun (and the frustration).

YMMV, depending on what its purpose is ... e.g. work vs hobby.

I'm building a new PC myself, this Winter. I've got everything except the power supply and heatsink/fan, which are back-ordered. I can borrow
those items from work to play some before they arrive.

I recently deployed a new laptop. Hardware arrived on Tuesday; had the
time on Friday to get it unpacked, up & running all in the margins on a
single day ... quite unlike Feeb's trials & tribulations.

After a week or so to confirm settings & burn-in for infant mortality,
I've now wiped the old one; it'll be shipped back for a small credit.

-hh

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On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 16:21:10 -0500, -hh wrote:

e.g. work vs hobby.

Is there a difference?

I recently deployed a new laptop.

Computing with a laptop can be likened to experiencing the
world by looking through a soda straw.





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Farley Flud wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 16:21:10 -0500, -hh wrote:

e.g. work vs hobby.

Is there a difference?

I recently deployed a new laptop.

Computing with a laptop can be likened to experiencing the
world by looking through a soda straw.

Depends how many monitors you hook to it.

My old ASUS loptap [sic] had two extras for awhile... one on the HDMI port
and one out of the mini DP port with a VGA adapter.

The mini PC has two HDMI ports; it's nice to not have to devote one of the monitors to a Corporate laptop.

Take me to the river, that shivery river, get the river ready for me.
I'm gonna drown my troubles, there'll be just some bubbles to indicate
what used to be me!

--
Sometimes I live in the country,
And sometimes I live in town.
And sometimes I have a great notion,
To jump in the river and drown.

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On 12/27/24 7:50 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Farley Flud wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 16:21:10 -0500, -hh wrote:

e.g. work vs hobby.

Is there a difference?

I recently deployed a new laptop.

Computing with a laptop can be likened to experiencing the
world by looking through a soda straw.

Depends how many monitors you hook to it.

Precisely.

My old ASUS loptap [sic] had two extras for awhile... one on the HDMI port and one out of the mini DP port with a VGA adapter.

Similarly, this laptop can support its built-in display, plus either:
1 external @ 8K/60Hz, or
1 external @ 4K/240Hz, or
2 externals of 6K/60Hz or at 4K/144Hz (including one of each).

That's already as many discrete displays as what Feeb's claiming he's
going to hopefully eventually have, although if I had needed more, I
could have opted for a higher end model, which ~doubles the amount:

Built-in display, plus either:
4 externals of 3 @ 6K/60Hz + 1 @ 4K/144Hz, or
3 externals of 2 @ 6K/60Hz + 1 @ 4K/240Hz, or
3 externals of 2 @ 6K/60Hz + 1 @ 8K/60Hz.

The mini PC has two HDMI ports; it's nice to not have to devote one
of the monitors to a Corporate laptop.

Depends on the use case/workflow needs, of course: if one typically
needs just two displays in a desktop setting, then having an allocation
"lost" to a closed laptop screen isn't necessarily a big deal when
built-in +2 externals are supported.

And even in the earlier days when it was +1 external, there were
sometimes workarounds. I can recall a Thinkpad where its workaround was
that the built-in could be mirrored which didn't count as an "extra", so
the solution was for the the laptop to be left open but off to the side;
the desktop was two externals, one of which was a mirror of the
set-aside laptop's built-in that was running but not being watched (if
this description makes sense).


-hh

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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 15:59:06 -0500, Joel wrote:

Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:

I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to >>>>>> give it an articulate edge. His English command can't be that
precise.

Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him. In my case I just
brute-force it.

For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.

He's a grown intellect, lived his life the proper way, developed
himself into a functional adult.

So did Biden. Does Biden speak English as well as hh presumably does in >>this forum?

-hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe, not to disrespect our outgoing president, he's a great man.

Adlai Stevenson was well-spoken to the point he was labeled 'egghead'.
Probably apocryphal but the legend goes that after a speech a supporter
said every intelligent person would vote for him. Stevenson said that was
well and good but he needed a majority.

He ran against Eisenhower in '52 and '56, losing by a landslide each time. People lapped up Eisenhower's avuncular style and much of the country
looked at him and Mamie as grandparents.

I don't know if Biden had it in him to be articulate but a successful politician may not want to present as very erudite.

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On 12/27/24 4:05 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:

On 12/27/2024 2:59 PM, Joel wrote:

Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:

I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI
to give it an
articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.

Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him.  In my case I just >>>>>> brute-force it.

For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.

He's a grown intellect, lived his life the proper way, developed
himself into a functional adult.

So did Biden. Does Biden speak English as well as hh presumably does in
this forum?

-hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe, not to disrespect our
outgoing president, he's a great man.

If you think hh's actual English command is as good as what's in his
posts, then you know something about him that I don't.

Or it is as simple as paying attention.

All I know about him is that he's probably been a photographer for some obscure online tabloid magazine.

Photography is just a hobby: sorry to disappoint. But I am curious to
learn of this alleged tabloid magazine is, & who came up with it.

Farley once mentioned he's rich.

They probably got that from Jeff Relf, where everyone with a flush
toilet is by comparison, rich.

So he must've inherited a lot of money from his parents.

They were public school teachers: care to try some other explanation?

But none of this means his English should get that precise.

A product of hard work. My English was so deplorably bad at one point
that I enrolled to take classes in Latin for a few years. It helped.


-hh

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On 2024-12-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 15:59:06 -0500, Joel wrote:

Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:

I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to >>>>>>> give it an articulate edge. His English command can't be that
precise.

Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him. In my case I just >>>>>> brute-force it.

For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.

He's a grown intellect, lived his life the proper way, developed
himself into a functional adult.

So did Biden. Does Biden speak English as well as hh presumably does in >>>this forum?

-hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe, not to disrespect our outgoing
president, he's a great man.

Adlai Stevenson was well-spoken to the point he was labeled 'egghead'. Probably apocryphal but the legend goes that after a speech a supporter
said every intelligent person would vote for him. Stevenson said that was well and good but he needed a majority.

He ran against Eisenhower in '52 and '56, losing by a landslide each time. People lapped up Eisenhower's avuncular style and much of the country
looked at him and Mamie as grandparents.

I don't know if Biden had it in him to be articulate but a successful politician may not want to present as very erudite.

Biden has always been perceived as somewhat of a goofball.
I go back as far as JFK but IMHO Clinton, Obama, Reagan and JFK were the
most eloquent speakers.
They had charisma and no matter what they said, they inspired confidence
much like FDR and his fireside chats.
And no, I am not THAT old.

Biden from the 2020 campaign forward is a bumbling, mumbling idiot who is obviously suffering from some type of cognitive failure.
The WH along with the MSM hid this from the public as best they could
but there is no question that Biden was not running the government.
The stories are now leaking out of the WH insiders and the best is yet to come as they write tell all books.


What I don't understand is how the democrat voters are not very, very upset that
they were lied to and suckered by the WH, DNC and the media as to the truth about Joe Biden's condition.
If it were me I would be very upset.

But the democrats have a far more serious problem and that is they are no longer
perceived as the party of the working class.
And Kamala Harris dragging in the Hollywood elite and wearing $60k necklaces to a soup
kitchen where she volunteered did not help.
And that's aside from the fact that intelligence wise she is a box of rocks and not
a likeable person.
It's going to take the democrats a long time to rebuild the confidence the working
class has had in them.
And a major reason is because of Kamala Harris.





--
pothead

"Give a man a fish and you turn him into a Democrat for life"
"Teach a man to fish and he might become a self-sufficient conservative Republican"

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On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 01:57:19 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

Biden has always been perceived as somewhat of a goofball.
I go back as far as JFK but IMHO Clinton, Obama, Reagan and JFK were the
most eloquent speakers.
They had charisma and no matter what they said, they inspired confidence
much like FDR and his fireside chats.
And no, I am not THAT old.

If Reagan could sell Twenty Mule Team Boraxo he could sell anything. We
always had a can of that and it really worked, better than GoJo. I thought
it was a step down when he left Death Valley Days to become a mere
governor of fruit'n'nut land.

I remember I Like Ike but I was high school age for JFK. Okay, I was young
and naive but he really seemed like a promise of the future. Then came
that corrupt Texas bastard.

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On 12/27/24 9:22 PM, Joel wrote:

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

On 12/27/24 4:05 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:

But none of this means his English should get that precise.

A product of hard work. My English was so deplorably bad at one point
that I enrolled to take classes in Latin for a few years. It helped.

Is English not your first language?

Unfortunately, it is; was just that bad at it. Think my first SAT test
was just 480 in English.


-hh

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On 12/27/24 9:32 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:

On 12/27/2024 7:55 PM, -hh wrote:

So he must've inherited a lot of money from his parents.

They were public school teachers: care to try some other explanation?

Sure. You may have bought bitcoins early on.

That would have been nice, but never got around to it.
Try again.


-hh

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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:11:47 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

I think he's even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.

I would seriously be offended, even outraged, if any AI (LLM) ever
dared to augment or enhance my work.

My work is my work alone. A vigorously creative man does not ever
enhance any aspect of his mind or being.

It would be like wearing a wig to conceal baldness or using padded
shoulders to give the appearance of being more physically imposing.
REAL MEN never do such things. It is womanish behavior.

AI is for pussies, wusses, and pansies.



--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

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On 2024-12-28 10:11, Joel wrote:

Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:11:47 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

I think he's even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an
articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.

I would seriously be offended, even outraged, if any AI (LLM) ever
dared to augment or enhance my work.

My work is my work alone. A vigorously creative man does not ever
enhance any aspect of his mind or being.

It would be like wearing a wig to conceal baldness or using padded
shoulders to give the appearance of being more physically imposing.
REAL MEN never do such things. It is womanish behavior.

AI is for pussies, wusses, and pansies.

You just endorsed it, because you don't like it - it must be a good
thing.

I am theoretically against AI, but it definitely saved me a lot of time
with searches. Had AI been available to me with my soccer team in 2009,
it would have also designed one heck of a logo for us.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch

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On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 15:27:39 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

I bet a thing like a much better AI than chatGPT exists but is not
accessible by public. THAT machine would also tell you why zircon became important starting around late 1950s :)

What you are saying is that AI (LLM) is just a cheap shortcut
to standard searches.

Yep. That's all that it is.

Nothing to see here. Just move along.


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On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 17:07:29 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

Which standard search machine do you know of that does it in various languages simultaneously for you?

Why would anyone want search results in multiple languages?

There are ways of doing this without LLM AI.





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On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 18:39:07 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

When I forget a word in English, or Persian (or both sometimes), I use chatGPT. I can have it list all words in both languages that's close
match to what I explained to the AI. Then zero in on better matches by
asking AI to give all usages for them in both languages. Then I'd know
what word it was that would give the closest meaning to what I had in mind.

There are probably ways to do this without having to invoke the
enormous computational resources of LLM AI.

Since I am essentially monolingual I can't be more specific but
it would seem that bilingual writers/translators would have used
similar tools, both digital and non-digital, for a long time.





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On 12/25/2024 12:48 PM, Lameass Larry Piet wrote:

I have 1/4" screwdriver sockets with a 12-inch shaft but those will not fit through
the heat sink "tunnels."

So I have to take my Phillips screwdriver with a 4-inch shaft and angle it about
30 degrees and then provide additional force to tighten the screws. It works but
it is not the ideal solution.

You and your drag-queen drama make everything difficult.

You don't have to use a Phillips head screwdriver to tighten Phillips
head screws. In a situation like this where you don't need much torque,
use a long, thin slot head screwdriver.

If you don't have long screwdrivers, go buy them for cheap.

Or use the thumb screws on the heat sink. If you put the mobo in the
case first and you can't reach the thumb screws from above, slap
yourself and start over.

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On 12/29/2024 4:23 AM, Lying Larry Piet wrote:

I am essentially monolingual

Other side of piehole:

"I have read Sigmund Freud, in the original German, at the age of sixteen."


Were you lying then, or are you lying now?

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