• How quickly a bug gets fixed...

    From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 28 08:54:34 2024
    After installing Fedora 41 yesterday, I noticed a bug where unplugging
    my laptop would result in the screen's brightness going to 0%. You
    couldn't increase the brightness at all and had to plug it back in to
    see what you were doing. People in Fedora's own forums mentioned that
    the quickest resolution was to change the power plan to Performance
    which was obviously not ideal if preserving power was the objective.

    Anyways, I got an update today. It's already fixed.

    In summary: ASUS has yet to fix an fTPM bug with AMD processors
    discovered in 2021 yet Fedora fixes an annoyance within a few days (I experienced it yesterday but it was reported to the developers a few
    days earlier).

    --
    Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
    Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Dec 28 15:09:41 2024
    On 2024-12-28 14:40, rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 08:54:34 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    In summary: ASUS has yet to fix an fTPM bug with AMD processors
    discovered in 2021 yet Fedora fixes an annoyance within a few days (I
    experienced it yesterday but it was reported to the developers a few
    days earlier).

    I haven't moved to 41 but the KDE spin of 40 was a little rocky when it rolled out but the issues were fixed very rapidly. I think most were from
    the KDE/Wayland side.

    I'm actually trying hard to find bugs in Fedora 41. I'm surprised that
    it works as well as it does. The one issue I did come up with is that
    the machine doesn't stick to Hybrid mode with NVIDIA, and reverts to
    Integrated on its own. When it does that, I am incapable of running my
    external monitor through a USB-C hub. I can either plug it directly to
    an HDMI port or log in, set it to Hybrid, log out, log in and try again.
    It's not a big issue though.

    --
    Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
    Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Andrzej Matuch on Sat Dec 28 19:40:58 2024
    On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 08:54:34 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    In summary: ASUS has yet to fix an fTPM bug with AMD processors
    discovered in 2021 yet Fedora fixes an annoyance within a few days (I experienced it yesterday but it was reported to the developers a few
    days earlier).

    I haven't moved to 41 but the KDE spin of 40 was a little rocky when it
    rolled out but the issues were fixed very rapidly. I think most were from
    the KDE/Wayland side.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Andrzej Matuch on Sun Dec 29 00:58:56 2024
    On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 15:09:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    I'm actually trying hard to find bugs in Fedora 41. I'm surprised that
    it works as well as it does. The one issue I did come up with is that
    the machine doesn't stick to Hybrid mode with NVIDIA, and reverts to Integrated on its own. When it does that, I am incapable of running my external monitor through a USB-C hub. I can either plug it directly to
    an HDMI port or log in, set it to Hybrid, log out, log in and try again.
    It's not a big issue though.

    The Fedora box goes through a 4 channel KVM with HDMI so no problem for
    me. The first couple of weeks Firefox tended to crash or sometimes there wouldn't be a desktop but that was fixed. I didn't have a problem but QGIS warned some dialogs might not render correctly but I think the Wayland
    tweaks took care of that.

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Andrzej Matuch on Mon Dec 30 19:10:19 2024
    On 12/28/2024 8:54 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    After installing Fedora 41 yesterday,


    wtf?

    It's one of the wokest distros of all, with a code of conduct, DEI
    galore, and a "Week of Diversity".

    That's a hard pass for me.

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to DFS on Mon Dec 30 20:50:52 2024
    On 2024-12-30 19:10, DFS wrote:
    On 12/28/2024 8:54 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    After installing Fedora 41 yesterday,


    wtf?

    It's one of the wokest distros of all, with a code of conduct, DEI
    galore, and a "Week of Diversity".

    That's a hard pass for me.

    It's the one asus-linux.org provides a guide for and so far, everything
    works as it should. I have no idea if there even is a non-woke Linux distribution anymore.

    --
    Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
    Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
    Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
    KDE supporting member

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to DFS on Tue Dec 31 02:32:20 2024
    On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 19:10:19 -0500, DFS wrote:

    On 12/28/2024 8:54 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    After installing Fedora 41 yesterday,


    wtf?

    It's one of the wokest distros of all, with a code of conduct, DEI
    galore, and a "Week of Diversity".

    That's a hard pass for me.

    The software works. TBH I don't care if they have bisexual circle jerks involving gerbils. It's not like Netflix coming up with a black, female, possibly lesbian jarl in 11th century Denmark and expect me to watch the
    show.

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue Dec 31 08:39:29 2024
    On 2024-12-30 21:32, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 19:10:19 -0500, DFS wrote:

    On 12/28/2024 8:54 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    After installing Fedora 41 yesterday,


    wtf?

    It's one of the wokest distros of all, with a code of conduct, DEI
    galore, and a "Week of Diversity".

    That's a hard pass for me.

    The software works. TBH I don't care if they have bisexual circle jerks involving gerbils. It's not like Netflix coming up with a black, female, possibly lesbian jarl in 11th century Denmark and expect me to watch the show.

    The original Vikings on History is one of the greatest shows I've ever
    watched. I was barely able to stomach the first episode of the
    continuation on Netflix though. Seeing a black woman as a jarl was just
    too much for me to accept.

    Outlander is another show I think is spectacular but I can't help but
    notice that in one particular episode, the dialogue was particularly insufferable (when Jamie is mad at his wife for having slept with Lord
    Grey when they both thought he was dead) and that there sure is a lot of
    gay in this season.

    --
    Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
    Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
    Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
    KDE supporting member

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to RonB on Tue Dec 31 08:46:52 2024
    On 2024-12-31 02:25, RonB wrote:
    On 2024-12-31, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
    On 2024-12-30 19:10, DFS wrote:
    On 12/28/2024 8:54 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    After installing Fedora 41 yesterday,


    wtf?

    It's one of the wokest distros of all, with a code of conduct, DEI
    galore, and a "Week of Diversity".

    That's a hard pass for me.

    It's the one asus-linux.org provides a guide for and so far, everything
    works as it should. I have no idea if there even is a non-woke Linux
    distribution anymore.

    You're getting lectured from someone who touts Woke Microsoft. But you're right, there really isn't much in the IT industry that isn't Woke anymore... but it's starting to turn around (I think).

    Microsoft's DEI page...

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/diversity/default?oneroute=true

    Lunduke released a video yesterday confirming that Microsoft is doubling
    down on its diversity efforts and will continue to help employees
    transition their three-year-olds to a different gender. It looks like
    the corporation hasn't yet been cured of its mind virus. Of course, with
    a guy like Bill Gates around, there is probably no chance that it will
    happen.

    Still, if there's a KDE distribution out there which can proudly say
    that it is non-woke, I'll look into it.

    --
    Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
    Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
    Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
    KDE supporting member

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Andrzej Matuch on Tue Dec 31 17:40:53 2024
    On 12/30/2024 8:50 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
    On 2024-12-30 19:10, DFS wrote:
    On 12/28/2024 8:54 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    After installing Fedora 41 yesterday,


    wtf?

    It's one of the wokest distros of all, with a code of conduct, DEI
    galore, and a "Week of Diversity".

    That's a hard pass for me.

    It's the one asus-linux.org provides a guide for and so far, everything
    works as it should. I have no idea if there even is a non-woke Linux distribution anymore.


    There are. 11 of the the Top 25 on distrowatch I looked at a few months
    ago had no code of conduct or DEI statement on their website (doing a
    cursory search)

    MX Linux
    Mint
    EndeavourOS
    Pop!_OS
    Zorin
    CachyOS (tho the founder specified he/him pronouns)
    Garuda
    Sparky
    Tuxedo
    Kali
    EasyOS

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to DFS on Wed Jan 1 02:29:08 2025
    On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:40:53 -0500, DFS wrote:


    There are. 11 of the the Top 25 on distrowatch I looked at a few months
    ago had no code of conduct or DEI statement on their website (doing a
    cursory search)

    MX Linux Mint EndeavourOS Pop!_OS Zorin CachyOS (tho the founder
    specified he/him pronouns)
    Garuda Sparky Tuxedo Kali EasyOS

    I have Kali running in WSL. I like it but it's Debian with pentest tools conveniently packaged. Most of the rest are Debian based, or one step
    removed Ubuntu. EndeavourOS is Arch based and the Arch wiki claims
    politics aren't involved only technical merits. I'm not sure about EasyOS.

    Does the one drop rule apply to Linux distros?

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to DFS on Tue Dec 31 21:51:40 2024
    On 2024-12-31 17:40, DFS wrote:
    On 12/30/2024 8:50 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
    On 2024-12-30 19:10, DFS wrote:
    On 12/28/2024 8:54 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    After installing Fedora 41 yesterday,


    wtf?

    It's one of the wokest distros of all, with a code of conduct, DEI
    galore, and a "Week of Diversity".

    That's a hard pass for me.

    It's the one asus-linux.org provides a guide for and so far,
    everything works as it should. I have no idea if there even is a non-
    woke Linux distribution anymore.


    There are.  11 of the the Top 25 on distrowatch I looked at a few months
    ago had no code of conduct or DEI statement on their website (doing a
    cursory search)

    MX Linux
    Mint
    EndeavourOS
    Pop!_OS
    Zorin
    CachyOS (tho the founder specified he/him pronouns)
    Garuda
    Sparky
    Tuxedo
    Kali
    EasyOS

    I already like Mint quite a bit, admittedly. Nevertheless, I'm already comfortable in Fedora and don't feel like hopping over for the time
    being. All my original concerns with using Linux are also addressed in
    this distribution, and the experience is no worse than using Windows. In
    fact, it's superior as a result of the machine's greater responsiveness.
    I'm also a fan of KDE and Fedora's spin on it is excellent.

    --
    Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
    Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
    Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
    KDE supporting member

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to DFS on Wed Jan 1 06:42:49 2025
    On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:40:53 -0500, DFS wrote:

    11 of the the Top 25 on distrowatch I looked at a few months
    ago had no code of conduct or DEI statement on their website (doing a
    cursory search) ...

    I wonder what you think needs to be said. Do they have to declare that
    they do not condone slavery? Or is that understood these days?

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Thu Jan 2 13:14:13 2025
    On 1/1/2025 1:42 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:40:53 -0500, DFS wrote:

    11 of the the Top 25 on distrowatch I looked at a few months
    ago had no code of conduct or DEI statement on their website (doing a
    cursory search) ...

    I wonder what you think needs to be said. Do they have to declare that
    they do not condone slavery? Or is that understood these days?


    It's not what needs to be said. It's what needs to NOT be said. Nobody
    needs an explicit "code of conduct" to guide their behavior (or face
    increasing levels of penalties as judged by The Council...ooohhh!!!).
    And nobody needs to be told a computer OS website and conference events
    are "welcoming nurturing safe spaces for everyone".

    Fedora DEI page:
    "Our key focuses are to engage, empower, and celebrate the contributions
    of women, LGBT+, BIPOC, and people with disabilities in Free and Open
    Source projects and communities."

    gag. Contributions by females, queers, jigs and disabled people have
    always been welcomed in software... on the technical merits of the contributions.

    But overwhelmingly, straight White males have created the world's
    computer technology, and apparently that FACT needs to be "corrected" by shoving blue-haired dykes in our faces. Pathetically, the straight
    White males that started these distros and technologies are social
    weaklings, and are allowing DEI and woke sickness to be plastered all
    over their distros.

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to DFS on Thu Jan 2 14:57:52 2025
    On 2025-01-02 13:14, DFS wrote:
    On 1/1/2025 1:42 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:40:53 -0500, DFS wrote:

    11 of the the Top 25 on distrowatch I looked at a few months
    ago had no code of conduct or DEI statement on their website (doing a
    cursory search) ...

    I wonder what you think needs to be said. Do they have to declare that
    they do not condone slavery? Or is that understood these days?


    It's not what needs to be said.  It's what needs to NOT be said.  Nobody needs an explicit "code of conduct" to guide their behavior (or face increasing levels of penalties as judged by The Council...ooohhh!!!).
    And nobody needs to be told a computer OS website and conference events
    are "welcoming nurturing safe spaces for everyone".

    Fedora DEI page:
    "Our key focuses are to engage, empower, and celebrate the contributions
    of women, LGBT+, BIPOC, and people with disabilities in Free and Open
    Source projects and communities."

    gag.  Contributions by females, queers, jigs and disabled people have
    always been welcomed in software... on the technical merits of the contributions.

    But overwhelmingly, straight White males have created the world's
    computer technology, and apparently that FACT needs to be "corrected" by shoving blue-haired dykes in our faces.  Pathetically, the straight
    White males that started these distros and technologies are social
    weaklings, and are allowing DEI and woke sickness to be plastered all
    over their distros.

    I made an account on the Fedora page and I was given the option to
    choose pronouns to be referred by. It was disheartening but it was
    clearly an option.

    --
    Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
    Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
    Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
    KDE supporting member

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to RonB on Fri Jan 3 08:37:19 2025
    On 2025-01-03 03:11, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
    On 2025-01-02 13:14, DFS wrote:
    On 1/1/2025 1:42 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:40:53 -0500, DFS wrote:

    11 of the the Top 25 on distrowatch I looked at a few months
    ago had no code of conduct or DEI statement on their website (doing a >>>>> cursory search) ...

    I wonder what you think needs to be said. Do they have to declare that >>>> they do not condone slavery? Or is that understood these days?


    It's not what needs to be said.  It's what needs to NOT be said.  Nobody >>> needs an explicit "code of conduct" to guide their behavior (or face
    increasing levels of penalties as judged by The Council...ooohhh!!!).
    And nobody needs to be told a computer OS website and conference events
    are "welcoming nurturing safe spaces for everyone".

    Fedora DEI page:
    "Our key focuses are to engage, empower, and celebrate the contributions >>> of women, LGBT+, BIPOC, and people with disabilities in Free and Open
    Source projects and communities."

    gag.  Contributions by females, queers, jigs and disabled people have
    always been welcomed in software... on the technical merits of the
    contributions.

    But overwhelmingly, straight White males have created the world's
    computer technology, and apparently that FACT needs to be "corrected" by >>> shoving blue-haired dykes in our faces.  Pathetically, the straight
    White males that started these distros and technologies are social
    weaklings, and are allowing DEI and woke sickness to be plastered all
    over their distros.

    I made an account on the Fedora page and I was given the option to
    choose pronouns to be referred by. It was disheartening but it was
    clearly an option.

    The last time I filled out something at the doctor's office they had a crap form like that also.

    I can't imagine being such a spoiled brat that you would get offended
    that the doctor didn't address what is an obvious guy as "miss" during
    the check-up you've waited hours for. The fact that people are going
    along with this is bothering me immensely. Mostly, it is because when
    the authorities come along and tell us that we won't be able to buy and
    sell unless we accept a chip in our foreheads or hands and renounce
    Christ, few if any will resist. They didn't resist the vaccine, they
    didn't resist the mask, they didn't resist the pronoun garbage; why
    would they resist the Mark?

    --
    Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
    Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
    Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
    KDE supporting member

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to rbowman on Fri Jan 3 14:50:40 2025
    rbowman wrote:

    Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    They didn't resist the vaccine, they
    didn't resist the mask, they didn't resist the pronoun garbage; why
    would they resist the Mark?

    I skipped the vaccine and had my useless, Chinese made, N0 muzzle to get
    me into CostCo, but how do you 'resist' the pronoun garbage?

    By refusing to refer to a man who claims to be a woman as "she", for
    example. Or by refusing to tell people my pronouns, when it couldn't
    be more obvious. I'm just glad that it's never come up in my life,
    lest I be accused of a "hate crime".

    What amuses me is the 'White non-Hispanic' category. Are they trying to
    imply Hispanics aren't white?

    Are they white? I don't consider them to be.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Andrzej Matuch on Fri Jan 3 20:41:24 2025
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:37:19 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    They didn't resist the vaccine, they
    didn't resist the mask, they didn't resist the pronoun garbage; why
    would they resist the Mark?

    I skipped the vaccine and had my useless, Chinese made, N0 muzzle to get
    me into CostCo, but how do you 'resist' the pronoun garbage?

    What amuses me is the 'White non-Hispanic' category. Are they trying to
    imply Hispanics aren't white?

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to rbowman on Fri Jan 3 17:01:30 2025
    On 2025-01-03 15:41, rbowman wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:37:19 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    They didn't resist the vaccine, they
    didn't resist the mask, they didn't resist the pronoun garbage; why
    would they resist the Mark?

    I skipped the vaccine and had my useless, Chinese made, N0 muzzle to get
    me into CostCo, but how do you 'resist' the pronoun garbage?

    By refusing to address people who believe they are the opposite gender
    by the pronouns associated with that gender. Also, by refusing to use
    made-up pronouns like ze and zir.

    What amuses me is the 'White non-Hispanic' category. Are they trying to
    imply Hispanics aren't white?

    Since Hispanics include people who have no European characteristics
    whatsoever, I can imagine why they are not considered White.

    --
    Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
    Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
    Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
    KDE supporting member

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Physfitfreak on Fri Jan 3 20:02:52 2025
    On 1/3/2025 7:47 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:

    Hispanics aren't cro-magnon. Whites are cro-magnon. Too bad, "Whites"
    carry the best and most easily understandable proof of it on them. The
    best clue tying them with Neanderthals.

    _Anything_ more advanced than Neanderthals that Whites have got today,
    is from the Iranian dicks fucking those Neanderthals in Europe from 40k
    years back all the way to 24K years back.


    You ugly, hairy, backward dune coons are seen as jokes around the
    civilized world.

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 4 07:58:13 2025
    On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:37:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
    wrote in <vlaogf$c5ch$4@dont-email.me>:

    On 2025-01-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
    On 2025-01-03 15:41, rbowman wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:37:19 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    They didn't resist the vaccine, they
    didn't resist the mask, they didn't resist the pronoun garbage; why
    would they resist the Mark?

    I skipped the vaccine and had my useless, Chinese made, N0 muzzle to
    get
    me into CostCo, but how do you 'resist' the pronoun garbage?

    By refusing to address people who believe they are the opposite gender
    by the pronouns associated with that gender. Also, by refusing to use
    made-up pronouns like ze and zir.

    What amuses me is the 'White non-Hispanic' category. Are they trying
    to
    imply Hispanics aren't white?

    Since Hispanics include people who have no European characteristics
    whatsoever, I can imagine why they are not considered White.

    I consider white Latinos white. "Hispanic" is a language group, not a
    racial
    group.

    And they are Spanish/Indigenous descendants.

    (I guess Spain isn't in Europe anymore? Learn something
    every day!)

    ObLinux: Linux 6.12.8 was released yesterday.

    $ uname -a
    Linux lm 6.12.8 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Jan 2 18:36:24 PST 2025 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    --
    -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
    OS: Linux 6.12.8 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
    ""Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead!"

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Andrzej Matuch on Sat Jan 4 09:29:59 2025
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 17:01:30 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    On 2025-01-03 15:41, rbowman wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:37:19 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    They didn't resist the vaccine, they
    didn't resist the mask, they didn't resist the pronoun garbage; why
    would they resist the Mark?

    I skipped the vaccine and had my useless, Chinese made, N0 muzzle to
    get me into CostCo, but how do you 'resist' the pronoun garbage?

    By refusing to address people who believe they are the opposite gender
    by the pronouns associated with that gender. Also, by refusing to use
    made-up pronouns like ze and zir.

    I don't think I've ever had the opportunity.

    What amuses me is the 'White non-Hispanic' category. Are they trying to
    imply Hispanics aren't white?

    Since Hispanics include people who have no European characteristics whatsoever, I can imagine why they are not considered White.

    https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/hep/guidance/superseded/49cfr26.cfm#sec.26.63

    "Hispanic Americans," which includes persons of Mexican, Puerto Rican,
    Cuban, Dominican, Central or South American, or other Spanish or
    Portuguese culture or origin, regardless of race;"

    That's a FHA document but I believe a similar definition applies to all
    federal agencies. So, if a junta deposes Sheinbaum and she flees to the US
    does that make her Hispanic?

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to RonB on Sat Jan 4 10:11:29 2025
    On 2025-01-04 02:37, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
    On 2025-01-03 15:41, rbowman wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:37:19 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    They didn't resist the vaccine, they
    didn't resist the mask, they didn't resist the pronoun garbage; why
    would they resist the Mark?

    I skipped the vaccine and had my useless, Chinese made, N0 muzzle to get >>> me into CostCo, but how do you 'resist' the pronoun garbage?

    By refusing to address people who believe they are the opposite gender
    by the pronouns associated with that gender. Also, by refusing to use
    made-up pronouns like ze and zir.

    What amuses me is the 'White non-Hispanic' category. Are they trying to
    imply Hispanics aren't white?

    Since Hispanics include people who have no European characteristics
    whatsoever, I can imagine why they are not considered White.

    I consider white Latinos white. "Hispanic" is a language group, not a racial group.

    Until they forced me to notice that they looked different in my 30s or
    so, I never cared what ethnicity someone was. They were either friends
    or they weren't. However, Obama and the media of the time were very good
    at separating us by sex and religion and I can no longer be as blind as
    I used to be. I guess that was the HOPE he kept referring to.

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to RonB on Sun Jan 5 09:41:42 2025
    On 2025-01-05 08:42, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-04, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
    On 2025-01-04 02:37, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
    On 2025-01-03 15:41, rbowman wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:37:19 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    They didn't resist the vaccine, they
    didn't resist the mask, they didn't resist the pronoun garbage; why >>>>>> would they resist the Mark?

    I skipped the vaccine and had my useless, Chinese made, N0 muzzle to get >>>>> me into CostCo, but how do you 'resist' the pronoun garbage?

    By refusing to address people who believe they are the opposite gender >>>> by the pronouns associated with that gender. Also, by refusing to use
    made-up pronouns like ze and zir.

    What amuses me is the 'White non-Hispanic' category. Are they trying to >>>>> imply Hispanics aren't white?

    Since Hispanics include people who have no European characteristics
    whatsoever, I can imagine why they are not considered White.

    I consider white Latinos white. "Hispanic" is a language group, not a racial
    group.

    Until they forced me to notice that they looked different in my 30s or
    so, I never cared what ethnicity someone was. They were either friends
    or they weren't. However, Obama and the media of the time were very good
    at separating us by sex and religion and I can no longer be as blind as
    I used to be. I guess that was the HOPE he kept referring to.

    When I was a kid in school they taught us about the "melting pot" and how there are no differences in the races. (Not true, but I got the point.
    People are people.) Now it's "racist" not to "recognize" the differences in race. And the "melting pot" mixing of cultures has become "appropriation." But all this only seems to work only in one direction. There's no issues
    with other races "appropriating" stuff from the white culture. I think it's all stupid. People are people — we're basically all mutts. As my grandmother
    used to say, "There's good and there's bad in all of us." By "us" she meant the various races.

    I don't mind the other races appropriating the White culture because
    it's their only hope of ever becoming civilized. However, I am entirely
    against Whites appropriating anything from inferior cultures like black
    ones. Their nutrition is terrible, their music does little other than
    corrupt minds and their languages are always a lazy creole of something
    that already exists. If Whites want to appropriate the excellent
    nutrition of the Japanese or Indians, that's fine because they've
    actually accomplished something in their respective existences. Blacks, however, have done little more than destroy something that already existed.

    If anyone needs an excellent example of _how_ Whites are superior to
    other civilizations, consider the creation of Venice in Italy <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77omYd0JOeA&pp=ygUSY3JlYXRpb24gb2YgdmVuaWNl> Meanwhile, the civilizations that we apparently stole from and which
    take credit for building everything for us can't even erect a house.
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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Joel on Sun Jan 5 10:42:38 2025
    On 1/3/2025 8:08 PM, Joel wrote:
    DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
    On 1/3/2025 7:47 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:

    Hispanics aren't cro-magnon. Whites are cro-magnon. Too bad, "Whites"
    carry the best and most easily understandable proof of it on them. The
    best clue tying them with Neanderthals.

    _Anything_ more advanced than Neanderthals that Whites have got today,
    is from the Iranian dicks fucking those Neanderthals in Europe from 40k
    years back all the way to 24K years back.

    You ugly, hairy, backward dune coons are seen as jokes around the
    civilized world.


    Don't you ever get tired of treating an entire *race* of people as a monolith? Not even a family is a monolith, much less a race ...


    How come you don't say this to the jealous SandChimp about his
    "cro-magnon" putdown of his White masters? Oh yeah, you're a jigaboo
    that hates Whitey too.

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to DFS on Sun Jan 5 13:25:27 2025
    On 2025-01-05 10:42, DFS wrote:
    On 1/3/2025 8:08 PM, Joel wrote:
    DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
    On 1/3/2025 7:47 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:

    Hispanics aren't cro-magnon. Whites are cro-magnon. Too bad, "Whites"
    carry the best and most easily understandable proof of it on them. The >>>> best clue tying them with Neanderthals.

    _Anything_ more advanced than Neanderthals that Whites have got today, >>>> is from the Iranian dicks fucking those Neanderthals in Europe from 40k >>>> years back all the way to 24K years back.

    You ugly, hairy, backward dune coons are seen as jokes around the
    civilized world.


    Don't you ever get tired of treating an entire *race* of people as a
    monolith?  Not even a family is a monolith, much less a race ...


    How come you don't say this to the jealous SandChimp about his "cro-
    magnon" putdown of his White masters?  Oh yeah, you're a jigaboo that
    hates Whitey too.

    I can only imagine how disappointed Physfitfreak must be every morning
    when he looks in the mirror and notices that despite his best efforts,
    he looks like a primate. I'm sure that he uses the best razors on the
    market and the most powerful deodorants and perfume, but people still
    mistake him for the missing link whenever he leaves his home and
    presents himself in public.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Sun Jan 5 22:10:17 2025
    On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 13:42:46 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    When I was a kid in school they taught us about the "melting pot" and
    how there are no differences in the races. (Not true, but I got the
    point. People are people.)

    When I was a kid in school what got thrown into the melting pot were white Europeans. Until 1965 that was how the immigration laws were structured.
    The deep south was segregated de jure and the north was segregated de
    facto outside of the public schools.

    Ashley Montagu, nee Israel Ehrenberg, had only begun to spread the 'race
    is a social construct' lie in 'Man's Most Dangerous Myth: the Fallacy of
    Race.' He authored the UNESCO proclamations on race almost
    singlehandedly. He also wrote 'The Natural Superiority of Women'.

    Meanwhile Boas was destroying anthropology. I have the chronology wrong
    since Ruth Benedict, Boas' student, was Montagu's thesis supervisor for
    his doctorate at Columbia.

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to Joel on Mon Jan 6 10:23:54 2025
    On 2025-01-05 20:50, Joel wrote:
    DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
    On 1/3/2025 8:08 PM, Joel wrote:
    DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
    On 1/3/2025 7:47 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:

    Hispanics aren't cro-magnon. Whites are cro-magnon. Too bad, "Whites" >>>>> carry the best and most easily understandable proof of it on them. The >>>>> best clue tying them with Neanderthals.

    _Anything_ more advanced than Neanderthals that Whites have got today, >>>>> is from the Iranian dicks fucking those Neanderthals in Europe from 40k >>>>> years back all the way to 24K years back.

    You ugly, hairy, backward dune coons are seen as jokes around the
    civilized world.

    Don't you ever get tired of treating an entire *race* of people as a
    monolith? Not even a family is a monolith, much less a race ...

    How come you don't say this to the jealous SandChimp about his
    "cro-magnon" putdown of his White masters? Oh yeah, you're a jigaboo
    that hates Whitey too.


    I might hate "Whitey" but *you* aren't him.

    Without Whitey, you'd be living in poverty and forced to defend whatever pathetic home you've built and your family from constant attacks. Be
    thankful for what Whites have created.

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  • From Jack Sovalot@21:1/5 to Joel on Mon Jan 6 12:29:26 2025
    Joel wrote:
    Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
    On 2025-01-05 20:50, Joel wrote:
    DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
    On 1/3/2025 8:08 PM, Joel wrote:

    Don't you ever get tired of treating an entire *race* of people as a >>>>> monolith? Not even a family is a monolith, much less a race ...

    How come you don't say this to the jealous SandChimp about his
    "cro-magnon" putdown of his White masters? Oh yeah, you're a jigaboo
    that hates Whitey too.

    I might hate "Whitey" but *you* aren't him.

    Without Whitey, you'd be living in poverty and forced to defend whatever
    pathetic home you've built and your family from constant attacks. Be
    thankful for what Whites have created.


    That's not what I think of as Whitey.


    https://postimg.cc/zbsxh1Fx

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Andrzej Matuch on Mon Jan 6 12:29:00 2025
    On 1/6/2025 10:23 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
    On 2025-01-05 20:50, Joel wrote:
    DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
    On 1/3/2025 8:08 PM, Joel wrote:
    DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
    On 1/3/2025 7:47 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:

    Hispanics aren't cro-magnon. Whites are cro-magnon. Too bad, "Whites" >>>>>> carry the best and most easily understandable proof of it on them. >>>>>> The
    best clue tying them with Neanderthals.

    _Anything_ more advanced than Neanderthals that Whites have got
    today,
    is from the Iranian dicks fucking those Neanderthals in Europe
    from 40k
    years back all the way to 24K years back.

    You ugly, hairy, backward dune coons are seen as jokes around the
    civilized world.

    Don't you ever get tired of treating an entire *race* of people as a
    monolith?  Not even a family is a monolith, much less a race ...

    How come you don't say this to the jealous SandChimp about his
    "cro-magnon" putdown of his White masters?  Oh yeah, you're a jigaboo
    that hates Whitey too.


    I might hate "Whitey" but *you* aren't him.

    Without Whitey, you'd be living in poverty and forced to defend whatever pathetic home you've built and your family from constant attacks. Be
    thankful for what Whites have created.


    +10000000000000

    Joel (and other ungrateful negroids) don't verbally appreciate what
    Whites have created and allowed them to enjoy. They ALL know in their
    hearts that being forced to live in the African shitholes they belong in
    would be a literal nightmare.

    I know I'm lucky as hell to have been born a Caucasian male in a Western country, at this time in history (computing, technology, Internet).

    I can't even imagine being born poor and black and female in South Sudan.

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to RonB on Mon Jan 6 13:53:29 2025
    On 2025-01-06 05:08, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-05, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
    On 2025-01-05 08:42, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-04, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
    On 2025-01-04 02:37, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
    On 2025-01-03 15:41, rbowman wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:37:19 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

    They didn't resist the vaccine, they
    didn't resist the mask, they didn't resist the pronoun garbage; why >>>>>>>> would they resist the Mark?

    I skipped the vaccine and had my useless, Chinese made, N0 muzzle to get
    me into CostCo, but how do you 'resist' the pronoun garbage?

    By refusing to address people who believe they are the opposite gender >>>>>> by the pronouns associated with that gender. Also, by refusing to use >>>>>> made-up pronouns like ze and zir.

    What amuses me is the 'White non-Hispanic' category. Are they trying to >>>>>>> imply Hispanics aren't white?

    Since Hispanics include people who have no European characteristics >>>>>> whatsoever, I can imagine why they are not considered White.

    I consider white Latinos white. "Hispanic" is a language group, not a racial
    group.

    Until they forced me to notice that they looked different in my 30s or >>>> so, I never cared what ethnicity someone was. They were either friends >>>> or they weren't. However, Obama and the media of the time were very good >>>> at separating us by sex and religion and I can no longer be as blind as >>>> I used to be. I guess that was the HOPE he kept referring to.

    When I was a kid in school they taught us about the "melting pot" and how >>> there are no differences in the races. (Not true, but I got the point.
    People are people.) Now it's "racist" not to "recognize" the differences in >>> race. And the "melting pot" mixing of cultures has become "appropriation." >>> But all this only seems to work only in one direction. There's no issues >>> with other races "appropriating" stuff from the white culture. I think it's >>> all stupid. People are people — we're basically all mutts. As my grandmother
    used to say, "There's good and there's bad in all of us." By "us" she meant >>> the various races.

    I don't mind the other races appropriating the White culture because
    it's their only hope of ever becoming civilized. However, I am entirely
    against Whites appropriating anything from inferior cultures like black
    ones. Their nutrition is terrible, their music does little other than
    corrupt minds and their languages are always a lazy creole of something
    that already exists. If Whites want to appropriate the excellent
    nutrition of the Japanese or Indians, that's fine because they've
    actually accomplished something in their respective existences. Blacks,
    however, have done little more than destroy something that already existed. >>
    If anyone needs an excellent example of _how_ Whites are superior to
    other civilizations, consider the creation of Venice in Italy
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77omYd0JOeA&pp=ygUSY3JlYXRpb24gb2YgdmVuaWNl>
    Meanwhile, the civilizations that we apparently stole from and which
    take credit for building everything for us can't even erect a house.

    When they talk about "cultural appropriation" they're usually talking about food and Halloween customs. Really stupid stuff that only vapid morons would worry about.

    As it relates to food, they should be happy that someone out there is
    willing to trade money for what is often something that can barely be
    called sustenance. Japanese food is splendid, but why the Hell would I
    want to eat Haitian cuisine?

    As for Halloween, they can whine all they want. If Whites are
    discouraged from celebrating what can be considered to be a Satanic
    holiday, that's all good with me.


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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to Joel on Mon Jan 6 14:12:31 2025
    On 2025-01-06 10:56, Joel wrote:
    Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
    On 2025-01-05 20:50, Joel wrote:
    DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
    On 1/3/2025 8:08 PM, Joel wrote:

    Don't you ever get tired of treating an entire *race* of people as a >>>>> monolith? Not even a family is a monolith, much less a race ...

    How come you don't say this to the jealous SandChimp about his
    "cro-magnon" putdown of his White masters? Oh yeah, you're a jigaboo
    that hates Whitey too.

    I might hate "Whitey" but *you* aren't him.

    Without Whitey, you'd be living in poverty and forced to defend whatever
    pathetic home you've built and your family from constant attacks. Be
    thankful for what Whites have created.

    That's not what I think of as Whitey.

    You can interpret Whitey in your own way, but the definition of Whitey
    includes the entire continent of Europe and its colonies when they were inhabited mostly by Europeans. Whether you want to admit it to yourself
    or not, it is because of Whitey that the Ottomans stopped growing their
    empire. It is also Whitey who neutralized the pirate threat in the Mediterranean where Muslim pirates enslaved coastal populations all the
    way to Ireland at a number of around 1.25 million, including Americans
    who had never even had a cross word with them. It is because of Whitey
    in general that blacks are no longer living as slaves in the West even
    though the practice still exists in their home continent. The reality is
    that the people who complain about Whitey can barely write their own
    names, much less form a sentence, so they have no idea what really
    happened and how good life is as a result of "the oppressors."

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to Jack Sovalot on Mon Jan 6 14:19:40 2025
    On 2025-01-06 12:29, Jack Sovalot wrote:
    Joel wrote:
    Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
    On 2025-01-05 20:50, Joel wrote:
    DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
    On 1/3/2025 8:08 PM, Joel wrote:

    Don't you ever get tired of treating an entire *race* of people as a >>>>>> monolith?  Not even a family is a monolith, much less a race ...

    How come you don't say this to the jealous SandChimp about his
    "cro-magnon" putdown of his White masters?  Oh yeah, you're a jigaboo >>>>> that hates Whitey too.

    I might hate "Whitey" but *you* aren't him.

    Without Whitey, you'd be living in poverty and forced to defend whatever >>> pathetic home you've built and your family from constant attacks. Be
    thankful for what Whites have created.


    That's not what I think of as Whitey.


    https://postimg.cc/zbsxh1Fx

    LOL @ the shirt.

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to DFS on Mon Jan 6 14:19:09 2025
    On 2025-01-06 12:29, DFS wrote:
    On 1/6/2025 10:23 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
    On 2025-01-05 20:50, Joel wrote:
    DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
    On 1/3/2025 8:08 PM, Joel wrote:
    DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
    On 1/3/2025 7:47 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:

    Hispanics aren't cro-magnon. Whites are cro-magnon. Too bad,
    "Whites"
    carry the best and most easily understandable proof of it on
    them. The
    best clue tying them with Neanderthals.

    _Anything_ more advanced than Neanderthals that Whites have got
    today,
    is from the Iranian dicks fucking those Neanderthals in Europe
    from 40k
    years back all the way to 24K years back.

    You ugly, hairy, backward dune coons are seen as jokes around the
    civilized world.

    Don't you ever get tired of treating an entire *race* of people as a >>>>> monolith?  Not even a family is a monolith, much less a race ...

    How come you don't say this to the jealous SandChimp about his
    "cro-magnon" putdown of his White masters?  Oh yeah, you're a jigaboo >>>> that hates Whitey too.


    I might hate "Whitey" but *you* aren't him.

    Without Whitey, you'd be living in poverty and forced to defend
    whatever pathetic home you've built and your family from constant
    attacks. Be thankful for what Whites have created.


    +10000000000000

    Joel (and other ungrateful negroids) don't verbally appreciate what
    Whites have created and allowed them to enjoy.  They ALL know in their hearts that being forced to live in the African shitholes they belong in would be a literal nightmare.

    I know I'm lucky as hell to have been born a Caucasian male in a Western country, at this time in history (computing, technology, Internet).

    I can't even imagine being born poor and black and female in South Sudan.

    Absolutely. I am absolutely sick of these Marxist assholes rewriting
    history to gain sympathy amongst the "oppressed" populations who are
    usually just lazy people who refused to go to school or work. It's part
    of their playbook to locate the most downtrodden people and sell them a solution for their misery in the form of a new religion called
    Communism. It's not unlike what the Muslims themselves do when they try
    to sell Islam as the religion for blacks (even though Muslims were
    originally responsible for most of their enslavement and still enslave
    them to this day) or for scientists (even though most of the Koran has "science" which can be refuted by grade-school children). Anyone who
    believes the garbage either group is selling needs to be smacked in the
    back of the head with a shovel.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Mon Jan 6 19:23:52 2025
    On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 10:08:03 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    When they talk about "cultural appropriation" they're usually talking
    about food and Halloween customs. Really stupid stuff that only vapid
    morons would worry about.

    https://www.florabelletheband.com/about-6

    The local vapid morons are in a dither about this band. I don't care for
    their genre but that's neither here nor there. The original name of the
    band was 'War Pony' and the posters had an Indian motif. After much
    bitching about cultural appropriation Schulz changed the name to
    Florabelle. However she didn't grovel enough to satisfy the morons

    https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/zacc-changes-lineup-after-music- festival-artist-backlash

    fwiw, I did see Florabelle perform at a festival last summer but I've
    never heard of Running Crane.

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to Joel on Mon Jan 6 14:27:09 2025
    On 2025-01-06 12:37, Joel wrote:
    DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
    On 1/6/2025 10:23 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
    On 2025-01-05 20:50, Joel wrote:

    I might hate "Whitey" but *you* aren't him.

    Without Whitey, you'd be living in poverty and forced to defend whatever >>> pathetic home you've built and your family from constant attacks. Be
    thankful for what Whites have created.

    +10000000000000

    Joel (and other ungrateful negroids) don't verbally appreciate what
    Whites have created and allowed them to enjoy. They ALL know in their
    hearts that being forced to live in the African shitholes they belong in
    would be a literal nightmare.

    I know I'm lucky as hell to have been born a Caucasian male in a Western
    country, at this time in history (computing, technology, Internet).

    I can't even imagine being born poor and black and female in South Sudan.


    I like white people and in some respects *am* one.

    Not in "some respects," a pasty-faced guy like you can be nothing else.
    Don't fool yourself: by surrendering to the coloured populations, you're
    only ensuring that once they have the opportunity, they will liquidate
    you. They see you as little more than a useful idiot for the time being.
    They will never allow you to live in peace because she's a thing is
    contrary to their identity. Look at how well they treated Whites in
    Rhodesia before they turned it into a joke. Look now at how they're
    treating Whites in South Africa. That is your fate.

    Acknowledge that your race is accomplished and that it has done little
    other than attempt to civilize the savage. Unfortunately, no matter how
    much we do to help them, they will cry out at being turned into
    something other than the barbarians they have always been.

    --
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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to Joel on Mon Jan 6 14:38:37 2025
    On 2025-01-06 14:21, Joel wrote:
    Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:

    Without Whitey, you'd be living in poverty and forced to defend whatever >>>> pathetic home you've built and your family from constant attacks. Be
    thankful for what Whites have created.

    That's not what I think of as Whitey.

    You can interpret Whitey in your own way, but the definition of Whitey
    includes the entire continent of Europe and its colonies when they were
    inhabited mostly by Europeans. Whether you want to admit it to yourself
    or not, it is because of Whitey that the Ottomans stopped growing their
    empire. It is also Whitey who neutralized the pirate threat in the
    Mediterranean where Muslim pirates enslaved coastal populations all the
    way to Ireland at a number of around 1.25 million, including Americans
    who had never even had a cross word with them. It is because of Whitey
    in general that blacks are no longer living as slaves in the West even
    though the practice still exists in their home continent. The reality is
    that the people who complain about Whitey can barely write their own
    names, much less form a sentence, so they have no idea what really
    happened and how good life is as a result of "the oppressors."

    The Caucasian contributions to achievement of a better world are
    remarkable, but it's dangerous to think it reflects a generalized superiority.

    Whether you want to admit it or not, Whites have made greater
    contributions to humanity which essentially results in them being
    superior. Let's not forget that they were the first to develop a
    republic and democracy as well, systems superior to what even the Asians
    were using. However, there is no greater example of example of White superiority than the story of how 464 White settlers defeated 25,000
    Zulus in the Battle of Blood River. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blood_River>

    Remember that the 464 settlers had single-fire guns which needed to be
    reloaded constantly. They were, however, organized... something that
    blacks can't manage to be _to this day_. The Zulus essentially figured
    that sheer numbers being thrown like lemmings at the Whites would be
    enough to defeat them, but Whites believed in some magic called strategy.

    --
    Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
    Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
    Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
    KDE supporting member

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  • From Beavis@21:1/5 to Andrzej Matuch on Mon Jan 6 14:45:58 2025
    Andrzej Matuch wrote:
    On 2025-01-06 12:37, Joel wrote:
    DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
    On 1/6/2025 10:23 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
    On 2025-01-05 20:50, Joel wrote:

    I might hate "Whitey" but *you* aren't him.

    Without Whitey, you'd be living in poverty and forced to defend
    whatever
    pathetic home you've built and your family from constant attacks. Be
    thankful for what Whites have created.

    +10000000000000

    Joel (and other ungrateful negroids) don't verbally appreciate what
    Whites have created and allowed them to enjoy.  They ALL know in their
    hearts that being forced to live in the African shitholes they belong in >>> would be a literal nightmare.

    I know I'm lucky as hell to have been born a Caucasian male in a Western >>> country, at this time in history (computing, technology, Internet).

    I can't even imagine being born poor and black and female in South
    Sudan.


    I like white people and in some respects *am* one.

    Not in "some respects," a pasty-faced guy like you can be nothing else.
    Don't fool yourself: by surrendering to the coloured populations, you're
    only ensuring that once they have the opportunity, they will liquidate
    you. They see you as little more than a useful idiot for the time being.
    They will never allow you to live in peace because she's a thing is
    contrary to their identity. Look at how well they treated Whites in
    Rhodesia before they turned it into a joke. Look now at how they're
    treating Whites in South Africa. That is your fate.

    Acknowledge that your race is accomplished and that it has done little
    other than attempt to civilize the savage. Unfortunately, no matter how
    much we do to help them, they will cry out at being turned into
    something other than the barbarians they have always been.


    Yes, avoid the groid at all costs.

    https://youtu.be/aRWAYKJ4IJI

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  • From Beavis@21:1/5 to Joel on Mon Jan 6 14:50:17 2025
    Joel wrote:
    I'm not white.


    You're a delusional fuckwit.

    https://postimg.cc/8F9Qn6kC

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to Beavis on Mon Jan 6 14:51:20 2025
    On 2025-01-06 14:45, Beavis wrote:
    Andrzej Matuch wrote:
    On 2025-01-06 12:37, Joel wrote:
    DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
    On 1/6/2025 10:23 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
    On 2025-01-05 20:50, Joel wrote:

    I might hate "Whitey" but *you* aren't him.

    Without Whitey, you'd be living in poverty and forced to defend
    whatever
    pathetic home you've built and your family from constant attacks. Be >>>>> thankful for what Whites have created.

    +10000000000000

    Joel (and other ungrateful negroids) don't verbally appreciate what
    Whites have created and allowed them to enjoy.  They ALL know in their >>>> hearts that being forced to live in the African shitholes they
    belong in
    would be a literal nightmare.

    I know I'm lucky as hell to have been born a Caucasian male in a
    Western
    country, at this time in history (computing, technology, Internet).

    I can't even imagine being born poor and black and female in South
    Sudan.


    I like white people and in some respects *am* one.

    Not in "some respects," a pasty-faced guy like you can be nothing
    else. Don't fool yourself: by surrendering to the coloured
    populations, you're only ensuring that once they have the opportunity,
    they will liquidate you. They see you as little more than a useful
    idiot for the time being. They will never allow you to live in peace
    because she's a thing is contrary to their identity. Look at how well
    they treated Whites in Rhodesia before they turned it into a joke.
    Look now at how they're treating Whites in South Africa. That is your
    fate.

    Acknowledge that your race is accomplished and that it has done little
    other than attempt to civilize the savage. Unfortunately, no matter
    how much we do to help them, they will cry out at being turned into
    something other than the barbarians they have always been.


    Yes, avoid the groid at all costs.

    https://youtu.be/aRWAYKJ4IJI

    He considers going outside to the ice cream truck to be "his exercise
    for the day." And people wonder why I am no longer surprised when some
    of these people fail in life.

    --
    Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
    Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
    Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
    KDE supporting member

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Beavis on Mon Jan 6 15:35:44 2025
    On 1/6/2025 2:45 PM, Beavis wrote:


    avoid the groid

    ha!

    I'll be using that in YouTube comments (which were uncensored until
    shortly after George Floyd was kilt. Now you get warnings, then 24 hour
    bans, or sometimes get your channel deleted.)

    Also: "Around blacks never relax"

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to Joel on Mon Jan 6 15:53:13 2025
    On 2025-01-06 15:00, Joel wrote:
    Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:

    Without Whitey, you'd be living in poverty and forced to defend whatever >>>>>> pathetic home you've built and your family from constant attacks. Be >>>>>> thankful for what Whites have created.

    That's not what I think of as Whitey.

    You can interpret Whitey in your own way, but the definition of Whitey >>>> includes the entire continent of Europe and its colonies when they were >>>> inhabited mostly by Europeans. Whether you want to admit it to yourself >>>> or not, it is because of Whitey that the Ottomans stopped growing their >>>> empire. It is also Whitey who neutralized the pirate threat in the
    Mediterranean where Muslim pirates enslaved coastal populations all the >>>> way to Ireland at a number of around 1.25 million, including Americans >>>> who had never even had a cross word with them. It is because of Whitey >>>> in general that blacks are no longer living as slaves in the West even >>>> though the practice still exists in their home continent. The reality is >>>> that the people who complain about Whitey can barely write their own
    names, much less form a sentence, so they have no idea what really
    happened and how good life is as a result of "the oppressors."

    The Caucasian contributions to achievement of a better world are
    remarkable, but it's dangerous to think it reflects a generalized
    superiority.

    Whether you want to admit it or not, Whites have made greater
    contributions to humanity which essentially results in them being
    superior. Let's not forget that they were the first to develop a
    republic and democracy as well, systems superior to what even the Asians
    were using. However, there is no greater example of example of White
    superiority than the story of how 464 White settlers defeated 25,000
    Zulus in the Battle of Blood River.
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blood_River>

    Remember that the 464 settlers had single-fire guns which needed to be
    reloaded constantly. They were, however, organized... something that
    blacks can't manage to be _to this day_. The Zulus essentially figured
    that sheer numbers being thrown like lemmings at the Whites would be
    enough to defeat them, but Whites believed in some magic called strategy.


    Just don't forget that we form consciousness collectively, individual achievements and group efforts are interdependent with everything
    going around. It's dangerous to become arrogant or self-satisfied.

    Let me know when people who aren't White or Asian contribute to that
    collective consciousness instead of taking credit for it.

    --
    Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
    Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
    Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
    KDE supporting member

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Joel on Mon Jan 6 19:58:36 2025
    On 1/6/25 2:21 PM, Joel wrote:
    Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:

    Without Whitey, you'd be living in poverty and forced to defend whatever >>>> pathetic home you've built and your family from constant attacks. Be
    thankful for what Whites have created.

    That's not what I think of as Whitey.

    You can interpret Whitey in your own way, but the definition of Whitey
    includes the entire continent of Europe and its colonies when they were
    inhabited mostly by Europeans. Whether you want to admit it to yourself
    or not, it is because of Whitey that the Ottomans stopped growing their
    empire. It is also Whitey who neutralized the pirate threat in the
    Mediterranean where Muslim pirates enslaved coastal populations all the
    way to Ireland at a number of around 1.25 million, including Americans
    who had never even had a cross word with them. It is because of Whitey
    in general that blacks are no longer living as slaves in the West even
    though the practice still exists in their home continent. The reality is
    that the people who complain about Whitey can barely write their own
    names, much less form a sentence, so they have no idea what really
    happened and how good life is as a result of "the oppressors."


    The Caucasian contributions to achievement of a better world are
    remarkable, but it's dangerous to think it reflects a generalized superiority.

    Ask someone who's read Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs & Steel" (1997).


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to vallor on Mon Jan 6 20:08:40 2025
    On 1/4/25 2:58 AM, vallor wrote:
    On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:37:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
    wrote in <vlaogf$c5ch$4@dont-email.me>:

    On 2025-01-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
    On 2025-01-03 15:41, rbowman wrote:
    ...

    What amuses me is the 'White non-Hispanic' category. Are they trying
    to imply Hispanics aren't white?

    Since Hispanics include people who have no European characteristics
    whatsoever, I can imagine why they are not considered White.

    I consider white Latinos white. "Hispanic" is a language group, not a
    racial group.

    And they are Spanish/Indigenous descendants.

    (I guess Spain isn't in Europe anymore? Learn something
    every day!)

    Yup. Fun fact: the 1930 Census added the category of "Mexican". Prior
    to that, they were classified as either "White", "Indian", or "Other".

    "Mexican" disappeared for the 1940, 50 & 60 Censuses; 1970 had "Mexican,
    Puerto Rican, Cuban, Central/South America, Other Spanish" category:

    <https://www.census.gov/data-tools/demo/race/MREAD_1790_2010.html>


    -hh

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  • From Andrzej Matuch@21:1/5 to RonB on Tue Jan 7 09:07:21 2025
    On 2025-01-07 02:49, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-06, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 10:08:03 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    When they talk about "cultural appropriation" they're usually talking
    about food and Halloween customs. Really stupid stuff that only vapid
    morons would worry about.

    https://www.florabelletheband.com/about-6

    The local vapid morons are in a dither about this band. I don't care for
    their genre but that's neither here nor there. The original name of the
    band was 'War Pony' and the posters had an Indian motif. After much
    bitching about cultural appropriation Schulz changed the name to
    Florabelle. However she didn't grovel enough to satisfy the morons

    You can never grovel enough to satisfy these Woke morons. I remember when
    Mel Gibson released Braveheart. They were whining about the homosexual
    prince being too stereotyped (or something). Gibson just told them it "his movie" and he would make it how he wanted to make it, and if they didn't
    like it they could make their own movie. That was the last I heard about it. Had he caved, they would probably still be pushing for more and more apologies.

    For what it's worth, Braveheart is one of the best movies ever made. Additionally, the homosexual nature of the prince in that movie is a
    theme stolen in "Those About To Die" on Amazon about the Roman Empire. Vespasian's son Domitian is such a faggot that you're just anticipating
    his spontaneous combustion.


    --
    Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
    Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
    Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
    KDE supporting member

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to RonB on Tue Jan 7 21:58:30 2025
    On 1/7/2025 2:49 AM, RonB wrote:

    You can never grovel enough to satisfy these Woke morons. I remember when
    Mel Gibson released Braveheart. They were whining about the homosexual
    prince being too stereotyped (or something). Gibson just told them it "his movie" and he would make it how he wanted to make it, and if they didn't
    like it they could make their own movie. That was the last I heard about it. Had he caved, they would probably still be pushing for more and more apologies.


    I saw Braveheart in the theater on opening weekend, and when King
    Richard shoved a gayboy (his gay son's lover) out a high window to his
    death, most of the audience - including me - laughed out loud.

    The queer "community" was outraged that everyone laughed at that scene.
    But I didn't laugh because he was gay - it happened so fast and he
    screamed on the way down... you have to see it to understand.

    Gibson's a masterful movie director who loves bloodletting on screen. Apocalypto is one of his best.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to DFS on Wed Jan 8 09:02:04 2025
    On 2025-01-07 21:58, DFS wrote:
    On 1/7/2025 2:49 AM, RonB wrote:

    You can never grovel enough to satisfy these Woke morons. I remember when
    Mel Gibson released Braveheart. They were whining about the homosexual
    prince being too stereotyped (or something). Gibson just told them it
    "his
    movie" and he would make it how he wanted to make it, and if they didn't
    like it they could make their own movie. That was the last I heard
    about it.
    Had he caved, they would probably still be pushing for more and more
    apologies.


    I saw Braveheart in the theater on opening weekend, and when King
    Richard shoved a gayboy (his gay son's lover) out a high window to his
    death, most of the audience - including me - laughed out loud.

    The queer "community" was outraged that everyone laughed at that scene.
    But I didn't laugh because he was gay - it happened so fast and he
    screamed on the way down... you have to see it to understand.

    Gibson's a masterful movie director who loves bloodletting on screen. Apocalypto is one of his best.

    I love just about eerything Mel Gibson produced, to be honest. As for
    the scene with a faggot, I laughed too. In fact, everyone should because
    it is very well done, as it the prince's pathetic response to the death.

    --
    CrudeSausage
    Unapologetic paleoconservative

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to DFS on Fri Jan 10 02:13:20 2025
    On 2025-01-08, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
    On 1/7/2025 2:49 AM, RonB wrote:

    You can never grovel enough to satisfy these Woke morons. I remember when
    Mel Gibson released Braveheart. They were whining about the homosexual
    prince being too stereotyped (or something). Gibson just told them it "his >> movie" and he would make it how he wanted to make it, and if they didn't
    like it they could make their own movie. That was the last I heard about it. >> Had he caved, they would probably still be pushing for more and more
    apologies.


    I saw Braveheart in the theater on opening weekend, and when King
    Richard shoved a gayboy (his gay son's lover) out a high window to his
    death, most of the audience - including me - laughed out loud.

    The queer "community" was outraged that everyone laughed at that scene.
    But I didn't laugh because he was gay - it happened so fast and he
    screamed on the way down... you have to see it to understand.

    Gibson's a masterful movie director who loves bloodletting on screen. Apocalypto is one of his best.

    Queers for Palestine.
    Trannys for Gaza.

    Are these people idiots?

    They wouldn't last 10 minutes in Gaza before they are castrated and tossed off the highest rooftop.

    Despite what the LBGTQ+ community wants you to believe, they are a minuscule portion
    of the population but they are very loud vocally.
    --
    pothead

    "Give a man a fish and you turn him into a Democrat for life"
    "Teach a man to fish and he might become a self-sufficient conservative Republican"
    "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up,"
    --- Barack H. Obama

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to pothead on Fri Jan 10 07:02:34 2025
    pothead wrote:

    Queers for Palestine.
    Trannys for Gaza.

    Are these people idiots?

    They wouldn't last 10 minutes in Gaza before they are castrated and tossed off the highest rooftop.

    Despite what the LBGTQ+ community wants you to believe, they are a minuscule portion
    of the population but they are very loud vocally.

    Well, fully half of the population (females) are suppressed by the
    Muslims. Yet leftists here support them over the *far* more
    enlightened Israelis. Incredible.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to chrisv on Fri Jan 10 10:03:34 2025
    On 2025-01-10 08:02, chrisv wrote:
    pothead wrote:

    Queers for Palestine.
    Trannys for Gaza.

    Are these people idiots?

    They wouldn't last 10 minutes in Gaza before they are castrated and tossed off the highest rooftop.

    Despite what the LBGTQ+ community wants you to believe, they are a minuscule portion
    of the population but they are very loud vocally.

    Well, fully half of the population (females) are suppressed by the
    Muslims. Yet leftists here support them over the *far* more
    enlightened Israelis. Incredible.

    The funny part is that the leftists believe they can make allies of
    Muslims by convincing them that they are being "oppressed" by the White
    man. Muslims have already spent most of their history oppressing the
    world all the while complaining that they are being oppressed. As such,
    both parties are seeing the other as being a pack of useful idiots.
    Leftists are so dumb that they believe that Muslims will conveniently
    ignore the fact that everything they are pushing is contrary to Islamic
    law like homosexuality, free sex, an empowered woman and a secular
    society. Even if these hippies were to become the authority (with the
    assumed help of the Muslims), Muslims would either be a constant threat
    to their power or would hang every last one of them. Unlike what
    happened during Soviet times though, whichever "progressives" aren't
    already lying in a pool of their own blood or hanging would be calling
    anyone who fears that they are going to be the next to be raped or
    killed an islamophobe.

    --
    CrudeSausage
    Gab: @CrudeSausage
    Unapologetic paleoconservative

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Sat Jan 11 07:27:21 2025
    On 2025-01-11 04:22, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-01-10 08:02, chrisv wrote:
    pothead wrote:

    Queers for Palestine.
    Trannys for Gaza.

    Are these people idiots?

    They wouldn't last 10 minutes in Gaza before they are castrated and tossed off the highest rooftop.

    Despite what the LBGTQ+ community wants you to believe, they are a minuscule portion
    of the population but they are very loud vocally.

    Well, fully half of the population (females) are suppressed by the
    Muslims. Yet leftists here support them over the *far* more
    enlightened Israelis. Incredible.

    The funny part is that the leftists believe they can make allies of
    Muslims by convincing them that they are being "oppressed" by the White
    man. Muslims have already spent most of their history oppressing the
    world all the while complaining that they are being oppressed. As such,
    both parties are seeing the other as being a pack of useful idiots.
    Leftists are so dumb that they believe that Muslims will conveniently
    ignore the fact that everything they are pushing is contrary to Islamic
    law like homosexuality, free sex, an empowered woman and a secular
    society. Even if these hippies were to become the authority (with the
    assumed help of the Muslims), Muslims would either be a constant threat
    to their power or would hang every last one of them. Unlike what
    happened during Soviet times though, whichever "progressives" aren't
    already lying in a pool of their own blood or hanging would be calling
    anyone who fears that they are going to be the next to be raped or
    killed an islamophobe.

    The "enemy of my enemy" is not always my friend. Sometimes there is no good side. But if I had to pick one over the other, bombing and starving children (as the Israelis are doing) makes them the more detestable of the two sides.

    At one point there was a large Christian population in Palestine. The
    Muslims aren't the only ones oppressed by the Israeli terrorists.

    In the conflict between Muslims and Jews, the only side to pick is the Christians. As I told anyone who's asked me in the past which side I'm
    on, one side will spit on me for being a Christian and the other will
    behead me.

    --
    CrudeSausage
    Gab: @CrudeSausage
    Unapologetic paleoconservative

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to Joel on Sat Jan 11 08:18:28 2025
    On 2025-01-11 07:46, Joel wrote:
    CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-01-11 04:22, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-01-10 08:02, chrisv wrote:
    pothead wrote:

    Queers for Palestine.
    Trannys for Gaza.

    Are these people idiots?

    They wouldn't last 10 minutes in Gaza before they are castrated and tossed off the highest rooftop.

    Despite what the LBGTQ+ community wants you to believe, they are a minuscule portion
    of the population but they are very loud vocally.

    Well, fully half of the population (females) are suppressed by the
    Muslims. Yet leftists here support them over the *far* more
    enlightened Israelis. Incredible.

    The funny part is that the leftists believe they can make allies of
    Muslims by convincing them that they are being "oppressed" by the White >>>> man. Muslims have already spent most of their history oppressing the
    world all the while complaining that they are being oppressed. As such, >>>> both parties are seeing the other as being a pack of useful idiots.
    Leftists are so dumb that they believe that Muslims will conveniently
    ignore the fact that everything they are pushing is contrary to Islamic >>>> law like homosexuality, free sex, an empowered woman and a secular
    society. Even if these hippies were to become the authority (with the
    assumed help of the Muslims), Muslims would either be a constant threat >>>> to their power or would hang every last one of them. Unlike what
    happened during Soviet times though, whichever "progressives" aren't
    already lying in a pool of their own blood or hanging would be calling >>>> anyone who fears that they are going to be the next to be raped or
    killed an islamophobe.

    The "enemy of my enemy" is not always my friend. Sometimes there is no good >>> side. But if I had to pick one over the other, bombing and starving children
    (as the Israelis are doing) makes them the more detestable of the two sides.

    At one point there was a large Christian population in Palestine. The
    Muslims aren't the only ones oppressed by the Israeli terrorists.

    In the conflict between Muslims and Jews, the only side to pick is the
    Christians. As I told anyone who's asked me in the past which side I'm
    on, one side will spit on me for being a Christian and the other will
    behead me.


    This unobjective rhetoric from the four of you illustrates quite well
    the problem. We can't overcome cultural differences long enough to
    have a prayer of mediating the Middle East conflict. And by now it's
    just impossible to think about another strategy, the Israelis have
    made a basis for regional war that no one could believe is avoidable,
    unless Iran has decided to go along with Zionism.

    If I ran a powerful country like the United States, here is what I do to respond to the conflict in the Middle East:

    - Give no money whatsoever to Israel
    - Give no support whatsoever to Palestine
    - Violently put down any protest by either side on American soil

    --
    CrudeSausage
    Gab: @CrudeSausage
    Unapologetic paleoconservative

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to RonB on Sat Jan 11 07:35:23 2025
    RonB wrote:

    The "enemy of my enemy" is not always my friend. Sometimes there is no good >side. But if I had to pick one over the other, bombing and starving children >(as the Israelis are doing) makes them the more detestable of the two sides.

    At one point there was a large Christian population in Palestine. The
    Muslims aren't the only ones oppressed by the Israeli terrorists.

    What is going on over there is horrible, but we should not forget that
    Hamas intentionally uses civilians as shields. We also should not
    forget that Hamas would happily slaughter *every last jew* if they had
    the ability.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to chrisv on Sat Jan 11 09:36:43 2025
    On 2025-01-11 08:35, chrisv wrote:
    RonB wrote:

    The "enemy of my enemy" is not always my friend. Sometimes there is no good >> side. But if I had to pick one over the other, bombing and starving children >> (as the Israelis are doing) makes them the more detestable of the two sides. >>
    At one point there was a large Christian population in Palestine. The
    Muslims aren't the only ones oppressed by the Israeli terrorists.

    What is going on over there is horrible, but we should not forget that
    Hamas intentionally uses civilians as shields. We also should not
    forget that Hamas would happily slaughter *every last jew* if they had
    the ability.

    They would slaughter every Christian too because, as we know, we are
    infidels and must be either killed, enslaved or taxed. All of this is
    because neither Jews nor Christians accepted Muhammad as a prophet in
    the 7th century. His being ridiculed back then means that we all have to
    die.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Sat Jan 11 20:25:32 2025
    On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 09:22:56 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    The "enemy of my enemy" is not always my friend. Sometimes there is no
    good side. But if I had to pick one over the other, bombing and starving children (as the Israelis are doing) makes them the more detestable of
    the two sides.

    I had a friend who had the ability to get two people at a bar arguing with
    each other. Then he would slip away. Unfortunately the US doesn't have the ability to get two enemies to the point of mutual destruction. It usually
    has to take sides even when there is no advantage.

    If it does make the attempt it screws it up. How did that Sino-Soviet
    split work in the long run?

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Sun Jan 12 08:26:38 2025
    On 2025-01-12 03:18, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-11, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    RonB wrote:

    The "enemy of my enemy" is not always my friend. Sometimes there is no good >>> side. But if I had to pick one over the other, bombing and starving children
    (as the Israelis are doing) makes them the more detestable of the two sides.

    At one point there was a large Christian population in Palestine. The
    Muslims aren't the only ones oppressed by the Israeli terrorists.

    What is going on over there is horrible, but we should not forget that
    Hamas intentionally uses civilians as shields. We also should not
    forget that Hamas would happily slaughter *every last jew* if they had
    the ability.

    And Israelis have been calling for the total anihilation of Palestinians.
    I'm not Muslim or Jewish. Neither side is worth a shit. I agree with Crude, just stay out of it.

    Both of their ideologies see us Christians as garbage, so I don't see
    why they should allow themselves to beg for our help, why they should
    accept it or why we would be foolish enough to offer it in the first place.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Sun Jan 12 09:32:39 2025
    On 2025-01-12 03:21, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-11, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    RonB wrote:

    The "enemy of my enemy" is not always my friend. Sometimes there is no good >>> side. But if I had to pick one over the other, bombing and starving children
    (as the Israelis are doing) makes them the more detestable of the two sides.

    At one point there was a large Christian population in Palestine. The
    Muslims aren't the only ones oppressed by the Israeli terrorists.

    What is going on over there is horrible, but we should not forget that
    Hamas intentionally uses civilians as shields. We also should not
    forget that Hamas would happily slaughter *every last jew* if they had
    the ability.

    You've got to remember that, about three or four years, the Israelis "mow
    the grass" in Gaza. By "mowing the grass" they mean terrorizing the Gazans
    by carpet bombing them and killing whomever is there (women, children and innocent men). So the Muslims may *want* to do the same to the Jews, but it is the Israelis who actually do it — with the weapons we supply.

    Nothing in what I've seen over the past few years suggests otherwise.
    There is no redeeming either of these parties. In fact, if you watch
    Openration Stephen on YouTube where an Indian Christian uses the Koran
    itself to show Muslims how incorrect their faith is, you'll know that
    there is no arguing with these people. They will deceive, lie and defend
    the indefensible rather than admit that they might be wrong about anything.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Mon Jan 13 09:57:44 2025
    On 2025-01-13 07:25, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-12, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-01-12 03:18, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-11, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    RonB wrote:

    The "enemy of my enemy" is not always my friend. Sometimes there is no good
    side. But if I had to pick one over the other, bombing and starving children
    (as the Israelis are doing) makes them the more detestable of the two sides.

    At one point there was a large Christian population in Palestine. The >>>>> Muslims aren't the only ones oppressed by the Israeli terrorists.

    What is going on over there is horrible, but we should not forget that >>>> Hamas intentionally uses civilians as shields. We also should not
    forget that Hamas would happily slaughter *every last jew* if they had >>>> the ability.

    And Israelis have been calling for the total anihilation of Palestinians. >>> I'm not Muslim or Jewish. Neither side is worth a shit. I agree with Crude, >>> just stay out of it.

    Both of their ideologies see us Christians as garbage, so I don't see
    why they should allow themselves to beg for our help, why they should
    accept it or why we would be foolish enough to offer it in the first place.

    The obvious answer is... the West is run by the Rothschilds. Israel is comprised of their kith and kin. Mostly kin.

    That's why we shouldn't be surprised with the way Christianity has lost importance and how debauchery is increasingly permitted.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Mon Jan 13 09:58:28 2025
    On 2025-01-13 07:29, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-12, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-01-12 03:21, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-01-11, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    RonB wrote:

    The "enemy of my enemy" is not always my friend. Sometimes there is no good
    side. But if I had to pick one over the other, bombing and starving children
    (as the Israelis are doing) makes them the more detestable of the two sides.

    At one point there was a large Christian population in Palestine. The >>>>> Muslims aren't the only ones oppressed by the Israeli terrorists.

    What is going on over there is horrible, but we should not forget that >>>> Hamas intentionally uses civilians as shields. We also should not
    forget that Hamas would happily slaughter *every last jew* if they had >>>> the ability.

    You've got to remember that, about three or four years, the Israelis "mow >>> the grass" in Gaza. By "mowing the grass" they mean terrorizing the Gazans >>> by carpet bombing them and killing whomever is there (women, children and >>> innocent men). So the Muslims may *want* to do the same to the Jews, but it >>> is the Israelis who actually do it — with the weapons we supply.

    Nothing in what I've seen over the past few years suggests otherwise.
    There is no redeeming either of these parties. In fact, if you watch
    Openration Stephen on YouTube where an Indian Christian uses the Koran
    itself to show Muslims how incorrect their faith is, you'll know that
    there is no arguing with these people. They will deceive, lie and defend
    the indefensible rather than admit that they might be wrong about anything.

    The Sunni branch seem to have the most obstinate practices. The Shiite's
    seem to be a little more civilized. But it's two branches of the same cult. And, as is usual with cults, there are a lot of little twigs branching off into a myriad of sub-cults.

    To me, they're all the same. Some are kinder, some are more hostile but
    all worship a murderous pedophile called Muhammed (piss be upon him).

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