• Donald Trump is Striking at the Heart of the Left's Central Belief

    From John Smyth@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 8 18:46:02 2025
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    Looks like the left is having a coronary.
    Hopefully it's fatal.

    'Donald Trump is Striking at the Heart of the Left's Central Belief'

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    'Donald Trump is striking at the heart of the left’s mythology. No
    wonder leftists are panicking.

    One of the reasons why Democrats are reacting with such fury to Trump’s efforts to end wasteful government spending is because this has simply
    never happened before. Republicans and even some Democrats — remember
    Bill Clinton proclaiming that “The era of big government is over” — have railed against the out-of-control growth of the federal government, but
    even the strictest fiscal conservatives only managed to slow down that
    growth, not reverse it.

    And even worse for leftists, in reducing the size of government, Trump
    is directly challenging the left’s core dogma that government can and
    should fix all the problems of human beings. This idea dates back to the
    Great Depression, when the Democrats first formed the coalition that
    made them the majority party for decades. The disparate groups that
    originally made up that coalition, including ethnic minorities in the
    North and segregationists who largely despised those minorities in the
    South, were held together by a shared assumption that whatever was
    wrong, government could solve it.

    This was and is the fundamental myth of the American left. Born in the
    Great Depression that began in Oct. 1929, this myth claims that Herbert
    Hoover, the Republican who was president when the Depression hit, did
    nothing, leaving the American people in misery rather than expand the
    size of the government and tackle the problem head-on. After the
    electorate decisively rejected Hoover in 1932, Franklin D. Roosevelt
    saved the nation, creating a dizzying array of federal programs that
    pulled the American people back from the abyss.

    And so, you see, in our complex and multifaceted society, we need big government. That’s why Trump and Elon Musk are so irresponsible, you
    see, to take the pruning shears to government spending. Nancy Pelosi
    even recently claimed that Trump was suffering from a “lack of
    sophistication in terms of intelligence” that prevented him from seeing
    the damage that his efforts to control government waste was causing.

    This central leftist myth, however, is wholly false, from beginning to
    end. Hoover’s inaction didn’t exacerbate the Great Depression. Big government didn’t end it. And we don’t need it today.

    As “Rating America’s Presidents” shows, Hoover wasn’t inactive at all. He actually oversaw the massive expansion of the federal government in
    response to the Great Depression. Government intervention didn’t end the Depression; it prolonged it. Hoover’s programs only added to the burden ordinary Americans had to carry, especially when he increased taxes in
    1932. The tax increases were unavoidable, however: contrary to the
    assumptions of many Americans today, big government programs don’t
    magically pay for themselves.

    Hoover’s programs didn’t accomplish anything. They didn’t prevent banks from going out of business: over five thousand closed between 1929 and
    1932. Hoover’s programs didn’t put Americans back to work: unemployment rose from 3.3 percent in 1929 to nearly 25 percent in 1933.

    The popular perception that Hoover was responsible for the Depression
    was largely correct, but his failure was in doing too much, not in not
    doing enough. Yet after resoundingly defeating Hoover in 1932, Roosevelt didn’t reverse his predecessor’s policies; he continued and expanded
    them.

    Raymond Moley, a charter member of FDR’s “Brain Trust” of key advisors aiding him to develop the New Deal, recounted that “when we all burst
    into Washington after the inauguration, we found every essential idea
    enacted in the 100-day Congress [the Roosevelt administration’s first
    flurry of activity to end the Depression] in the Hoover Administration itself.” Another member of the “Brain Trust,” Rexford Tugwell, noted that, in his policies, Roosevelt bore an “amazing resemblance to Hoover” and observed that “practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started.”

    Related: After Time Mag Puts ‘President Elon Musk’ on Cover, Trump
    Has an Epic Response

    In February 1939, nearly six years after leaving office, Hoover boasted
    that the Republicans, not the Democrats, pioneered big government: “It
    was the Republican Party that first established the concept that
    business must be regulated by government if the freedom of men was to be preserved. Indeed, it was the Republican Party that first initiated
    regulation against monopoly and business abuse in the states. Over the
    last fifty years it created seven out of the ten great Federal
    regulating agencies of today. It was Republicans who created the income
    and estate taxes that fortunes might not accumulate so as to oppress the
    nation and that there might be relief of tax burdens upon the poor.”

    See? Hoover just wanted the rich to “pay their fair share.” The
    political debate has hardly since Hoover’s day. We do, however, have the benefit of nearly a century of experience to show that big government
    doesn’t work, and stifles human freedom. Good thing Trump and Musk have,
    at long last, started the cutting'

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to John Smyth on Sun Feb 9 21:00:56 2025
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    On 2025-02-08, John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Looks like the left is having a coronary.
    Hopefully it's fatal.

    'Donald Trump is Striking at the Heart of the Left's Central Belief'

    <https://pjmedia.com/robert-spencer/2025/02/08/as-trump-slashes-government-spending-its-useful-to-recall-why-we-have-so-much-of-it-n4936822>

    'Donald Trump is striking at the heart of the left’s mythology. No
    wonder leftists are panicking.

    One of the reasons why Democrats are reacting with such fury to Trump’s efforts to end wasteful government spending is because this has simply
    never happened before. Republicans and even some Democrats — remember
    Bill Clinton proclaiming that “The era of big government is over” — have
    railed against the out-of-control growth of the federal government, but
    even the strictest fiscal conservatives only managed to slow down that growth, not reverse it.

    And even worse for leftists, in reducing the size of government, Trump
    is directly challenging the left’s core dogma that government can and should fix all the problems of human beings. This idea dates back to the Great Depression, when the Democrats first formed the coalition that
    made them the majority party for decades. The disparate groups that originally made up that coalition, including ethnic minorities in the
    North and segregationists who largely despised those minorities in the
    South, were held together by a shared assumption that whatever was
    wrong, government could solve it.

    This was and is the fundamental myth of the American left. Born in the
    Great Depression that began in Oct. 1929, this myth claims that Herbert Hoover, the Republican who was president when the Depression hit, did nothing, leaving the American people in misery rather than expand the
    size of the government and tackle the problem head-on. After the
    electorate decisively rejected Hoover in 1932, Franklin D. Roosevelt
    saved the nation, creating a dizzying array of federal programs that
    pulled the American people back from the abyss.

    And so, you see, in our complex and multifaceted society, we need big government. That’s why Trump and Elon Musk are so irresponsible, you
    see, to take the pruning shears to government spending. Nancy Pelosi
    even recently claimed that Trump was suffering from a “lack of sophistication in terms of intelligence” that prevented him from seeing
    the damage that his efforts to control government waste was causing.

    This central leftist myth, however, is wholly false, from beginning to
    end. Hoover’s inaction didn’t exacerbate the Great Depression. Big government didn’t end it. And we don’t need it today.

    As “Rating America’s Presidents” shows, Hoover wasn’t inactive at all.
    He actually oversaw the massive expansion of the federal government in response to the Great Depression. Government intervention didn’t end the Depression; it prolonged it. Hoover’s programs only added to the burden ordinary Americans had to carry, especially when he increased taxes in
    1932. The tax increases were unavoidable, however: contrary to the assumptions of many Americans today, big government programs don’t magically pay for themselves.

    Hoover’s programs didn’t accomplish anything. They didn’t prevent banks from going out of business: over five thousand closed between 1929 and
    1932. Hoover’s programs didn’t put Americans back to work: unemployment rose from 3.3 percent in 1929 to nearly 25 percent in 1933.

    The popular perception that Hoover was responsible for the Depression
    was largely correct, but his failure was in doing too much, not in not
    doing enough. Yet after resoundingly defeating Hoover in 1932, Roosevelt didn’t reverse his predecessor’s policies; he continued and expanded them.

    Raymond Moley, a charter member of FDR’s “Brain Trust” of key advisors aiding him to develop the New Deal, recounted that “when we all burst
    into Washington after the inauguration, we found every essential idea
    enacted in the 100-day Congress [the Roosevelt administration’s first flurry of activity to end the Depression] in the Hoover Administration itself.” Another member of the “Brain Trust,” Rexford Tugwell, noted that, in his policies, Roosevelt bore an “amazing resemblance to Hoover” and observed that “practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started.”

    Related: After Time Mag Puts ‘President Elon Musk’ on Cover, Trump Has an Epic Response

    In February 1939, nearly six years after leaving office, Hoover boasted
    that the Republicans, not the Democrats, pioneered big government: “It
    was the Republican Party that first established the concept that
    business must be regulated by government if the freedom of men was to be preserved. Indeed, it was the Republican Party that first initiated regulation against monopoly and business abuse in the states. Over the
    last fifty years it created seven out of the ten great Federal
    regulating agencies of today. It was Republicans who created the income
    and estate taxes that fortunes might not accumulate so as to oppress the nation and that there might be relief of tax burdens upon the poor.”

    See? Hoover just wanted the rich to “pay their fair share.” The
    political debate has hardly since Hoover’s day. We do, however, have the benefit of nearly a century of experience to show that big government doesn’t work, and stifles human freedom. Good thing Trump and Musk have,
    at long last, started the cutting'

    Good article. Some things never change and as the saying goes "history repeats itself".
    The lazy left wing libbys will never get this concept though because they
    are interested in freebies and the government taking care of them 100% if possible.


    --
    pothead

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    Read below to learn the reason.
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