• Voters Were Right About the Economy. The Data Was Wrong.

    From John Smyth@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 12 07:46:39 2025
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    'Voters Were Right About the Economy. The Data Was Wrong.'
    'Here’s why unemployment is higher, wages are lower and growth less
    robust than government statistics suggest.'

    <https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/02/11/democrats-tricked-strong-economy-00203464>


    'efore the presidential election, many Democrats were puzzled by the
    seeming disconnect between “economic reality” as reflected in various government statistics and the public’s perceptions of the economy on the ground. Many in Washington bristled at the public’s failure to register
    how strong the economy really was. They charged that right-wing echo
    chambers were conning voters into believing entirely preposterous
    narratives about America’s decline.

    What they rarely considered was whether something else might be
    responsible for the disconnect — whether, for instance, government
    statistics were fundamentally flawed. What if the numbers supporting the
    case for broad-based prosperity were themselves misrepresentations? What
    if, in fact, darker assessments of the economy were more authentically
    tethered to reality?

    On some level, I relate to the underlying frustrations. Having served as comptroller of the currency during the 1990s, I‘ve spent substantial
    chunks of my career exploring the gaps between public perception and
    economic reality, particularly in the realm of finance. Many of the
    officials I’ve befriended and advised over the last quarter-century — members of the Federal Reserve, those running regulatory agencies, many
    leaders in Congress — have told me they consider it their responsibility
    to set public opinion aside and deal with the economy as it exists by
    the hard numbers. For them, government statistics are thought to be as
    reliable as solid facts.

    In recent years, however, as my focus has broadened beyond finance to
    the economy as a whole, the disconnect between “hard” government numbers and popular perception has spurred me to question that faith. I’ve had
    the benefit of living in two realms that seem rarely to intersect — one
    as a Washington insider, the other as an adviser to lenders and
    investors across the country. Toggling between the two has led me to be increasingly skeptical that the government’s measurements properly
    capture the realities defining unemployment, wage growth and the
    strength of the economy as a whole.

    These numbers have time and again suggested to many in Washington that unemployment is low, that wages are growing for middle America and that,
    to a greater or lesser degree, economic growth is lifting all boats year
    upon year. But when traveling the country, I’ve encountered something
    very different. Cities that appeared increasingly seedy. Regions that
    seemed derelict. Driving into the office each day in Washington, I noted
    a homeless encampment fixed outside the Federal Reserve itself. And then
    I began to detect a second pattern inside and outside D.C. alike.
    Democrats, on the whole, seemed much more inclined to believe what the
    economic indicators reported. Republicans, by contrast, seemed more
    inclined to believe what they were seeing with their own two eyes.

    Within the nation’s capital, this gap in perception has had profound implications. For decades, a small cohort of federal agencies have
    reported many of the same economic statistics, using fundamentally the
    same methodology or relying on the same sources, at the same appointed
    times. Rarely has anyone ever asked whether the figures they release hew
    to reality. Given my newfound skepticism, I decided several years ago to
    gather a team of researchers under the rubric of the Ludwig Institute
    for Shared Economic Prosperity to delve deeply into some of the most
    frequently cited headline statistics.

    What we uncovered shocked us. The bottom line is that, for 20 years or
    more, including the months prior to the election, voter perception was
    more reflective of reality than the incumbent statistics. Our research
    revealed that the data collected by the various agencies is largely
    accurate. Moreover, the people staffing those agencies are talented and well-intentioned. But the filters used to compute the headline
    statistics are flawed. As a result, they paint a much rosier picture of
    reality than bears out on the ground.

    Take, as a particularly egregious example, what is perhaps the most
    widely reported economic indicator: unemployment. Known to experts as
    the U-3, the number misleads in several ways. First, it counts as
    employed the millions of people who are unwillingly under-employed —
    that is, people who, for example, work only a few hours each week while searching for a full-time job. Second, it does not take into account
    many Americans who have been so discouraged that they are no longer
    trying to get a job. Finally, the prevailing statistic does not account
    for the meagerness of any individual’s income. Thus you could be
    homeless on the streets, making an intermittent income and functionally incapable of keeping your family fed, and the government would still
    count you as “employed.”

    I don’t believe those who went into this past election taking pride in
    the unemployment numbers understood that the near-record low
    unemployment figures — the figure was a mere 4.2 percent in November — counted homeless people doing occasional work as “employed.” But the implications are powerful. If you filter the statistic to include as
    unemployed people who can’t find anything but part-time work or who make
    a poverty wage (roughly $25,000), the percentage is actually 23.7
    percent. In other words, nearly one of every four workers is
    functionally unemployed in America today — hardly something to
    celebrate.

    People wait in line at a career center.
    People wait in line for help with unemployment benefits at the One-Stop
    Career Center in Las Vegas on March 17, 2020. The effect of a rising
    cost of living was particularly intense in the wake of the COVID-19
    pandemic. | John Locher/AP

    The picture is similarly misleading when examining the methodology used
    to track how much Americans are earning. The prevailing government
    indicator, known colloquially as “weekly earnings,” tracks full-time
    wages to the exclusion of both the unemployed and those engaged in
    (typically lower-paid) part-time work. Today, as a result, those keeping
    track are led to believe that the median wage in the U.S. stands at
    roughly $61,900. But if you track everyone in the workforce — that is,
    if you include part-time workers and unemployed job seekers — the
    results are remarkably different. Our research reveals that the median
    wage is actually little more than $52,300 per year. Think of that:
    American workers on the median are making 16 percent less than the
    prevailing statistics would indicate.

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    Perhaps the most prominent issue of the 2024 campaign — inflation —
    tracks much the same story. Democrats spent much of the campaign
    pointing out that inflation had abated by Election Day, even if prices
    remained elevated from pre-pandemic levels. Moreover, many noted that
    wages (according to the prevailing statistic that takes only full-time
    work into account) had risen at a faster clip. These claims were based
    on observations drawn largely from the Consumer Price Index, an
    indicator that tracks the prices charged for 80,000 goods and services
    across the economy.

    But the CPI also perceives reality through a very rosy looking glass.
    Those with modest incomes purchase only a fraction of the 80,000 goods
    the CPI tracks, spending a much greater share of their earnings on
    basics like groceries, health care and rent. And that, of course,
    affects the overall figure: If prices for eggs, insurance premiums and
    studio apartment leases rise at a faster clip than those of luxury goods
    and second homes, the CPI underestimates the impact of inflation on the
    bulk of Americans. That, of course, is exactly what has happened.

    My colleagues and I have modeled an alternative indicator, one that
    excludes many of the items that only the well-off tend to purchase — and
    tend to have more stable prices over time — and focuses on the
    measurements of prices charged for basic necessities, the goods and
    services that lower- and middle-income families typically can’t avoid.
    Here again, the results reveal how the challenges facing those with more
    modest incomes are obscured by the numbers. Our alternative indicator
    reveals that, since 2001, the cost of living for Americans with modest
    incomes has risen 35 percent faster than the CPI. Put another way: The resources required simply to maintain the same working-class lifestyle
    over the last two decades have risen much more dramatically than we’ve
    been led to believe.

    The effect, of course, was particularly intense in the wake of the
    pandemic. In 2023 alone, the CPI indicated that inflation had driven
    prices up by 4.1 percent. But the true cost of living, as measured by
    our research, rose more than twice as much — a full 9.4 percent. And
    that laid bare the oft-quoted riposte that wage gains outpaced inflation
    during the crisis following COVID-19. When our more targeted measure of inflation is set atop our more accurate measure of weekly earnings, it immediately becomes clear that purchasing power fell at the median by
    4.3 percent in 2023. Again, whatever anyone may have claimed from the prevailing statistics during the run-up to the 2024 election, reality
    was drastically more dire for the great majority of Americans.

    Which brings us to the question of gross domestic product, a figure that
    stands perhaps as the most important single economic indicator because
    it is commonly viewed as a proxy for prosperity writ large. There is, to
    be sure, real value in tracking the sheer volume of domestic production,
    though GDP is an imperfect measure even of that. But as useful as the
    figure may be in the sense that it purports to track generalized
    national wealth, it is hampered by a profound flaw: It reveals almost
    nothing about how the attendant prosperity is shared. That is, if a
    small slice of the population is awarded the great bulk of the bounty
    from economic growth while everyone else remains unenriched, GDP would
    rise nevertheless. And that, to a crucial degree, is exactly what has
    happened.

    Here, the aggregate measure of GDP has hidden the reality that a more
    modest societal split has grown into an economic chasm. Since 2013,
    Americans with bachelor’s or more advanced degrees have, in the
    aggregate, seen their material well-being improve — by the Federal Reserve’s estimate, an additional tenth of adults have risen to comfort. Those without high school degrees, by contrast, have seen no real
    improvement. And geographic disparities have widened along similar
    lines, with places ranging from San Francisco to Boston seeing big jumps
    in income and prosperity, but places ranging from Youngstown, Ohio, to
    Port Arthur, Texas, falling further behind. The crucial point, even
    before digging into the nuances, is clear: America’s GDP has grown, and
    yet we remain largely blind to these disparities.

    Take all of these statistical discrepancies together. What we have here
    is a collection of economic indicators that all point in the same
    misleading direction. They all shroud the reality faced by middle- and lower-income households. The problem isn’t that some Americans didn’t
    come out ahead after four years of Bidenomics. Some did. It’s that, for
    the most part, those living in more modest circumstances have endured at
    least 20 years of setbacks, and the last four years did not turn things
    around enough for the lower 60 percent of American income earners.

    To be fair, the prevailing indicators aren’t without merit. It is, for example, useful to know how the wages of full-time employees have
    evolved. The challenge, quite separate from any quibbling with the
    talented people working to tell the nation’s economic story, is to
    provide policymakers with a full picture of the reality faced by the
    bulk of the population. What we need is to find new ways to provide a
    more realistic picture of the nation’s underlying economic conditions on
    a monthly basis. The indicators my colleagues and I have constructed
    could serve as the basis for or inspiration for government-sponsored alternatives. Regardless, something needs to change.

    This should not be a partisan issue — policymakers in both parties would benefit from gleaning a more accurate sense of what’s happening at the
    ground level of the American economy. In reality, both Democrats and Republicans were vulnerable to being snowed in the 2024 cycle — it just happened that the dissatisfaction during this particular cycle
    undermined the incumbent party.

    In an age where faith in institutions of all sorts is in free fall,
    Americans are perpetually told, per a classic quote from former Sen.
    Daniel Patrick Moynihan, that while we may be entitled to our own
    opinions, we aren’t entitled to our own facts. That should be right, at
    least in the realm of economics. But the reality is that, if the
    prevailing indicators remain misleading, the facts don’t apply. We have
    it in our grasp to cut through the mirage that led Democrats astray in
    2024. The question now is whether we will correct course

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to John Smyth on Thu Feb 13 02:26:25 2025
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    On 2025-02-12, John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
    'Voters Were Right About the Economy. The Data Was Wrong.'
    'Here’s why unemployment is higher, wages are lower and growth less
    robust than government statistics suggest.'

    <https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/02/11/democrats-tricked-strong-economy-00203464>


    'efore the presidential election, many Democrats were puzzled by the
    seeming disconnect between “economic reality” as reflected in various government statistics and the public’s perceptions of the economy on the ground. Many in Washington bristled at the public’s failure to register
    how strong the economy really was. They charged that right-wing echo
    chambers were conning voters into believing entirely preposterous
    narratives about America’s decline.

    ----> snip

    Of course the data was wrong and the Biden administration knew it all along. It's the reason when Biden was campaigning on the success of "Bidenomics" his handlers eventually told him not to mention it any longer because the people were not
    falling for it.

    This is why I laugh at numbers crunchers like hh.
    I prefer to actually look around and take in my, and other's experiences rather than
    be tied to numbers.
    Numbers are certainly useful at times, but not all times.
    The democrats lost in part because people felt the economy sucked.
    So now it's finally coming out as to why.
    They were right and the number spinners were wrong.


    --
    pothead

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    Read below to learn the reason.
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  • From slothe@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 13 03:32:07 2025
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    On 12 Feb 2025, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> posted some news:vojl8h$2jmld$4@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-02-12, John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
    'Voters Were Right About the Economy. The Data Was Wrong.'
    'Here’s why unemployment is higher, wages are lower and growth less
    robust than government statistics suggest.'

    <https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/02/11/democrats-tricked-st >>rong-economy-00203464>


    'efore the presidential election, many Democrats were puzzled by the
    seeming disconnect between “economic reality” as reflected in
    various government statistics and the public’s perceptions of the
    economy on the ground. Many in Washington bristled at the public’s
    failure to register how strong the economy really was. They charged
    that right-wing echo chambers were conning voters into believing
    entirely preposterous narratives about America’s decline.

    ----> snip

    Of course the data was wrong and the Biden administration knew it all
    along. It's the reason when Biden was campaigning on the success of "Bidenomics" his handlers eventually told him not to mention it any
    longer because the people were not falling for it.

    It's been wrong for years. In good times nobody paid attention.

    This is why I laugh at numbers crunchers like hh.
    I prefer to actually look around and take in my, and other's
    experiences rather than be tied to numbers.
    Numbers are certainly useful at times, but not all times.
    The democrats lost in part because people felt the economy sucked.
    So now it's finally coming out as to why.
    They were right and the number spinners were wrong.

    Those who balance their own checkbooks knew.

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