• Porsche Is Cutting a Bunch of Jobs Over Weak EV Demand

    From John Smyth@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 14 22:27:48 2025
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    'Porsche Is Cutting a Bunch of Jobs Over Weak EV Demand'
    'Slumping sales in China aren't helping, either.'

    <https://www.motor1.com/news/750683/porsche-cutting-manufacturing-job/>

    'It's no secret that Volkswagen Group is having a tough time right now.
    With 2024 fading in the rearview and all kinds of uncertainly facing
    automakers for the future, Porsche, one of VW's most important brands,
    is looking to downsize. Considerably.

    The automaker is planning to cut 1,900 jobs over the next few years at
    various locations throughout Germany, according to Reuters. Citing a
    company spokesperson, the report states Porsche's previous reduction
    plan simply wasn't sufficient enough. Last year, the sports car maker
    didn't renew contracts for 1,500 fixed-term workers, and 500 more are
    about to end.

    The new plan will "cut around another 1,900 jobs across the entire
    company in the coming years," the spokesperson said.

    Attention will fall on Porsche's primary facilities in and around
    Stuttgart. Ideally, the company hopes to accomplish the cuts without
    forced layoffs. Per Automotive News Europe, buyout packages and early retirements will play a major factor. Porsche will also be frugal when
    it comes to filling new roles. Workers at the large factory in Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen and its research facility in Weissach will bear
    the brunt of the cuts.

    The news comes not long after VW's struggle to not close factories in
    Germany, something that hasn't been done in the company's history.
    Ultimately, a deal was struck to keep the lights on at all current
    plants in return for no wage increases for workers until 2031. However,
    job cuts at VW could top 35,000 before all is said and done.

    A slump in EV sales throughout Europe and fierce competition from China
    has several automakers reviewing their bottom lines. Porsche's global
    sales fell 3 percent last year, but sales in China tumbled 28 percent.
    And of course, there's considerable uncertainty in the automotive market
    right now with regard to tariffs and trade wars stemming from the Trump administration. In short, nobody knows what the hell is going on right
    now, or what's going to happen in the future'

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to John Smyth on Sat Feb 15 03:54:20 2025
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    On 2025-02-15, John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
    'Porsche Is Cutting a Bunch of Jobs Over Weak EV Demand'
    'Slumping sales in China aren't helping, either.'

    <https://www.motor1.com/news/750683/porsche-cutting-manufacturing-job/>

    'It's no secret that Volkswagen Group is having a tough time right now.
    With 2024 fading in the rearview and all kinds of uncertainly facing automakers for the future, Porsche, one of VW's most important brands,
    is looking to downsize. Considerably.

    The automaker is planning to cut 1,900 jobs over the next few years at various locations throughout Germany, according to Reuters. Citing a
    company spokesperson, the report states Porsche's previous reduction
    plan simply wasn't sufficient enough. Last year, the sports car maker
    didn't renew contracts for 1,500 fixed-term workers, and 500 more are
    about to end.

    The new plan will "cut around another 1,900 jobs across the entire
    company in the coming years," the spokesperson said.

    Attention will fall on Porsche's primary facilities in and around
    Stuttgart. Ideally, the company hopes to accomplish the cuts without
    forced layoffs. Per Automotive News Europe, buyout packages and early retirements will play a major factor. Porsche will also be frugal when
    it comes to filling new roles. Workers at the large factory in Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen and its research facility in Weissach will bear
    the brunt of the cuts.

    The news comes not long after VW's struggle to not close factories in Germany, something that hasn't been done in the company's history. Ultimately, a deal was struck to keep the lights on at all current
    plants in return for no wage increases for workers until 2031. However,
    job cuts at VW could top 35,000 before all is said and done.

    A slump in EV sales throughout Europe and fierce competition from China
    has several automakers reviewing their bottom lines. Porsche's global
    sales fell 3 percent last year, but sales in China tumbled 28 percent.
    And of course, there's considerable uncertainty in the automotive market right now with regard to tariffs and trade wars stemming from the Trump administration. In short, nobody knows what the hell is going on right
    now, or what's going to happen in the future'

    What type of a Nimrod would buy an electric Porsche?


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    pothead

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to pothead on Fri Feb 14 23:21:12 2025
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    On 2/14/25 22:54, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-02-15, John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
    'Porsche Is Cutting a Bunch of Jobs Over Weak EV Demand'
    'Slumping sales in China aren't helping, either.'

    <https://www.motor1.com/news/750683/porsche-cutting-manufacturing-job/>

    'It's no secret that Volkswagen Group is having a tough time right now.
    With 2024 fading in the rearview and all kinds of uncertainly facing
    automakers for the future, Porsche, one of VW's most important brands,
    is looking to downsize. Considerably.

    The automaker is planning to cut 1,900 jobs over the next few years at
    various locations throughout Germany, according to Reuters. Citing a
    company spokesperson, the report states Porsche's previous reduction
    plan simply wasn't sufficient enough. Last year, the sports car maker
    didn't renew contracts for 1,500 fixed-term workers, and 500 more are
    about to end.

    The new plan will "cut around another 1,900 jobs across the entire
    company in the coming years," the spokesperson said.

    Attention will fall on Porsche's primary facilities in and around
    Stuttgart. Ideally, the company hopes to accomplish the cuts without
    forced layoffs. Per Automotive News Europe, buyout packages and early
    retirements will play a major factor. Porsche will also be frugal when
    it comes to filling new roles. Workers at the large factory in
    Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen and its research facility in Weissach will bear
    the brunt of the cuts.

    The news comes not long after VW's struggle to not close factories in
    Germany, something that hasn't been done in the company's history.
    Ultimately, a deal was struck to keep the lights on at all current
    plants in return for no wage increases for workers until 2031. However,
    job cuts at VW could top 35,000 before all is said and done.

    A slump in EV sales throughout Europe and fierce competition from China
    has several automakers reviewing their bottom lines. Porsche's global
    sales fell 3 percent last year, but sales in China tumbled 28 percent.
    And of course, there's considerable uncertainty in the automotive market
    right now with regard to tariffs and trade wars stemming from the Trump
    administration. In short, nobody knows what the hell is going on right
    now, or what's going to happen in the future'

    What type of a Nimrod would buy an electric Porsche?

    Same that would buy an ICE ... and are fine with an EV but have also
    seen how utterly crappy the build quality is on the Tesla's. /s


    -hh

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to -hh on Sun Feb 16 20:38:08 2025
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    -hh wrote:

    What type of a Nimrod would buy an electric Porsche?

    Same that would buy an ICE ... and are fine with an EV but have also
    seen how utterly crappy the build quality is on the Tesla's. /s

    Maybe. I really wonder about companies like Ferrari and Lamborghini,
    where it's really all about the engine. As an EV, they won't be able
    to differentiate themselves from far cheaper alternatives.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to chrisv on Mon Feb 17 09:30:17 2025
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    On 2/16/25 21:38, chrisv wrote:
    -hh wrote:

    What type of a Nimrod would buy an electric Porsche?

    Same that would buy an ICE ... and are fine with an EV but have also
    seen how utterly crappy the build quality is on the Tesla's. /s

    Maybe. I really wonder about companies like Ferrari and Lamborghini,
    where it's really all about the engine. As an EV, they won't be able
    to differentiate themselves from far cheaper alternatives.


    The EV market is an interesting one to be sure. As it intersects with
    the automotive enthusiast, it seems to me that there's two distinct
    customer segments. I'll call them:

    a) techno-geeks/nerds ... they desire the newest stuff & are willing to
    pay for it. Why? Maybe because its flashy/novel, or it has impressive performance numbers. An example is the EV buyer who's 0-60mph is <3sec.

    b) heritage/traditionalist ... they're appreciative of the long
    history, of engineering & motor. Think of the type who had issues when
    turbos got introduced - they preferred normally aspirated. They will eventually embrace new technologies, but are more conservative about it
    proving itself first. They're willing to pay more for a 'heritage'
    marquee.

    FWIW, Jaguar is an example where they touched the third rail of trying
    to satisfy both heritage and techno-geek at the same time.

    Personally, I've looked at the tech and concluded that it is good enough
    for early adopters and even some early mainstream, but from a sober
    lifecycle management perspective, trade spaces need to be resolved still
    before I'd really be comfortable in giving up on ICE entirely; call it
    a "check back in 3, 5 years" before the political disruptions are added.


    -hh

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to chrisv on Mon Feb 17 17:43:49 2025
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    On 2025-02-17, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    -hh wrote:

    What type of a Nimrod would buy an electric Porsche?

    Same that would buy an ICE ... and are fine with an EV but have also
    seen how utterly crappy the build quality is on the Tesla's. /s

    Maybe. I really wonder about companies like Ferrari and Lamborghini,
    where it's really all about the engine. As an EV, they won't be able
    to differentiate themselves from far cheaper alternatives.

    Those are all cars that appeal to car enthusiasts. Much like Corvette, Mustang, Supra, BMW etc the market is people who like to drive and tinker with their cars.
    I don't know the demographics but aside from the super cars which require deep pockets to buy and maintain there is probabably a good portion of boomers reliving their teens and buying the cars that they might have been able to
    buy way back when.

    Putting an electric motor in cars like the above will not interest this market share.
    It's like driving a sewing machine and while the speed is surely there, the rest
    of the experience has no soul.
    It's like driving a sewing machine.
    Test drive a Tesla sometime and see for yourself.
    I did. Fine for some people , not for me.

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Feb 17 20:54:13 2025
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    -hh wrote:

    Personally, I've looked at the tech and concluded that it is good enough
    for early adopters and even some early mainstream, but from a sober
    lifecycle management perspective, trade spaces need to be resolved still
    before I'd really be comfortable in giving up on ICE entirely; call it
    a "check back in 3, 5 years" before the political disruptions are added.

    I will never buy an electric car. I may never buy another car,
    period. My current car is 10 years old but has an easy 10 years of
    life left. I'll probably drop dead before it does.

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to pothead on Mon Feb 17 21:04:39 2025
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    pothead wrote:

    Those are all cars that appeal to car enthusiasts. Much like Corvette, Mustang,
    Supra, BMW etc the market is people who like to drive and tinker with their cars.
    I don't know the demographics but aside from the super cars which require deep >pockets to buy and maintain there is probabably a good portion of boomers >reliving their teens and buying the cars that they might have been able to >buy way back when.

    There are still a lot of great gas-powered cars, for sure. If I was
    younger I'd probably get one while the getting is good. I still have,
    in addition to my main car, a sports car with a manual transmission.
    It's getting pretty old now, though, and accually appreciating to a
    point where it's a bit concerning to drive. If something were to
    happen to it, parts availability would be a real problem.

    Putting an electric motor in cars like the above will not interest this market share.
    It's like driving a sewing machine and while the speed is surely there, the rest
    of the experience has no soul.
    It's like driving a sewing machine.
    Test drive a Tesla sometime and see for yourself.
    I did. Fine for some people , not for me.

    Another problem with the EV's is that they are boring to read about.
    The car magazines that I loved to read (and still do, to some extent)
    are not as interesting as they used to be. There's not much to say
    about an EV's hardware. They don't have the interesting mechanical
    engineering of the ICE cars.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to chrisv on Tue Feb 18 08:36:21 2025
    On 2/17/25 21:54, chrisv wrote:
    -hh wrote:

    Personally, I've looked at the tech and concluded that it is good enough
    for early adopters and even some early mainstream, but from a sober
    lifecycle management perspective, trade spaces need to be resolved still
    before I'd really be comfortable in giving up on ICE entirely; call it
    a "check back in 3, 5 years" before the political disruptions are added.

    I will never buy an electric car.

    I'm willing to buy an EV, although I'd consider it to be more of a 'transportation appliance' than a driver/enthusiast-centric ride.

    I thought about it early last year, but found that the infrastructure
    lacked adequate standards, and current iterations are poor from an
    interior UI perspective ... research is documenting the obvious:
    touchscreens are fine when sitting in a showroom, but are inferior to
    buttons in the dynamics of a moving cabin.

    I may never buy another car, period. My current car is 10 years old but
    has an easy 10 years of life left. I'll probably drop dead before it does.

    YMMV; I'm far more optimistic. I expect at least another decade of
    independent driving, at which point I'm hoping that FSD will finally be technologically mature & reliable enough to enable us to maintain
    suburban independent living well into my 80s.

    -hh

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