• Linux 6.13.7

    From vallor@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 14:17:26 2025
    Linux mintvirt 6.13.7 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Mar 13 06:52:06 PDT 2025 x86_64
    x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    real 415.70
    user 19247.88
    sys 4010.50

    Compiled on workstation, installed in virtual host.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to vallor on Thu Mar 13 16:56:52 2025
    On 13 Mar 2025 14:17:26 GMT, vallor wrote:

    Linux mintvirt 6.13.7 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Mar 13 06:52:06 PDT 2025 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    real 415.70 user 19247.88 sys 4010.50

    Compiled on workstation, installed in virtual host.

    Hot on your heels Fedora 42 updated to 6.13.6 yesterday. There was also a
    lot of systemd stuff. Still works.

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to rbowman on Thu Mar 13 17:22:17 2025
    On 13 Mar 2025 16:56:52 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <m3gh2kF3cunU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 13 Mar 2025 14:17:26 GMT, vallor wrote:

    Linux mintvirt 6.13.7 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Mar 13 06:52:06 PDT 2025
    x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    real 415.70 user 19247.88 sys 4010.50

    Compiled on workstation, installed in virtual host.

    Hot on your heels Fedora 42 updated to 6.13.6 yesterday. There was also
    a lot of systemd stuff. Still works.

    I really do think Fedora stays one release behind the current
    release kernel.

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to vallor on Thu Mar 13 18:52:20 2025
    On 13 Mar 2025 14:17:26 GMT, vallor wrote:

    Linux mintvirt 6.13.7 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Mar 13 06:52:06 PDT 2025 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    real 415.70
    user 19247.88
    sys 4010.50

    Compiled on workstation, installed in virtual host.


    I hope that Mint-shit provides a Rust compiler because soon
    you will need it.

    Among other things, the kernel NVMe driver, written in Rust,
    will soon be accepted into the kernel tree.

    I know that you, being a patsy to technical convention, will
    certainly need that.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!



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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Fri Mar 14 05:45:22 2025
    On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 18:52:20 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in <pan$8fd2b$a5770044$4f09f4b5$b7990b83@linux.rocks>:

    On 13 Mar 2025 14:17:26 GMT, vallor wrote:

    Linux mintvirt 6.13.7 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Mar 13 06:52:06 PDT 2025
    x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    real 415.70 user 19247.88 sys 4010.50

    Compiled on workstation, installed in virtual host.


    I hope that Mint-shit provides a Rust compiler because soon you will
    need it.

    Among other things, the kernel NVMe driver, written in Rust,
    will soon be accepted into the kernel tree.

    I know that you, being a patsy to technical convention, will certainly
    need that.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

    Meanwhile, my NVMe devices are much, much faster than
    your spinning rust archaisms.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 14 07:15:16 2025
    Rust is not magnetic.

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to vallor on Fri Mar 14 10:27:54 2025
    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 05:45:22 +0000, vallor wrote:


    Meanwhile, my NVMe devices are much, much faster than
    your spinning rust archaisms.


    That is quite irrelevant.

    All computation is performed in cache/RAM and the attached drives,
    of whatever kind, play no role. Even heavy disk I/O is always
    buffered in RAM.

    Thus, the gimmicky SSDs are only useful as a badge of technical
    fashion, just like spoilers on a car.


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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Fri Mar 14 14:13:26 2025
    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 07:15:16 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vr0l23$r5e8$1@dont-email.me>:

    Rust is not magnetic.

    Neither are you.

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 14 15:46:43 2025
    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 10:27:54 +0000, Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux>
    wrote in <182ca48b6c299c15$32886$5317$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:

    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 05:45:22 +0000, vallor wrote:


    Meanwhile, my NVMe devices are much, much faster than your spinning
    rust archaisms.


    That is quite irrelevant.

    All computation is performed in cache/RAM and the attached drives,
    of whatever kind, play no role. Even heavy disk I/O is always buffered
    in RAM.

    Thus, the gimmicky SSDs are only useful as a badge of technical fashion,
    just like spoilers on a car.

    Some spoilers are functional.

    And some people run sophisticated virtual reality simulations
    that need access to more _fast_ disk space than will fit in RAM.

    You must be a piker.

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to vallor on Fri Mar 14 16:14:17 2025
    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:46:43 +0000, vallor wrote:


    And some people run sophisticated virtual reality simulations
    that need access to more _fast_ disk space than will fit in RAM.


    Whoever does that would destroy the SSD before the sim is finished.

    For such work a motherboard with 1Tb or 2Tb or RAM would be recommended,
    or even a cluster of such MBs.




    You must be a piker.


    That's the term used by the crass instead of "efficiency expert."




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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 14 19:48:26 2025
    Le 13-03-2025, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :

    I hope that Mint-shit provides a Rust compiler because soon
    you will need it.

    Among other things, the kernel NVMe driver, written in Rust,
    will soon be accepted into the kernel tree.

    I know that you, being a patsy to technical convention, will
    certainly need that.

    There will be more and more rust code in the Linux kernel. I'd like to
    see how you'll manage to keep rust away of your computer. A competent programmer could be able to convert rust code into C to avoid it, but
    you aren't one of them.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

    Yes, if you manage to avoid having rust on your computer as you managed avoiding python on your computer, it will be fun. Because python and
    rust share a common shit: the awful version management. They have good
    points but the management of old code is not one of them.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 14 20:01:53 2025
    Le 14-03-2025, Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> a écrit :
    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 05:45:22 +0000, vallor wrote:


    Meanwhile, my NVMe devices are much, much faster than
    your spinning rust archaisms.

    That is quite irrelevant.

    Of course it's relevant.

    All computation is performed in cache/RAM and the attached drives,
    of whatever kind, play no role.

    You are a true master of spreading your lack of knowledge with an
    impressive certainty. Compared with others saying that the vaccine
    against covid was designed to kill people, I'd say you are on the same
    level.

    Even heavy disk I/O is always buffered in RAM.

    Yes, and so, do you understand the meaning of your sentence? Because the
    time taken for the I/O to be buffered in RAM is limited by the slowest
    device. Which is the hard drive in your case.

    Thus, the gimmicky SSDs are only useful as a badge of technical
    fashion, just like spoilers on a car.

    The real scientist would try to test his claims instead of staying in
    error. Your claims don't stand the facts.

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 14 20:26:37 2025
    On 14 Mar 2025 20:01:53 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:


    The real scientist would try to test his claims instead of staying in
    error. Your claims don't stand the facts.


    Let us see YOUR test results.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

    You have none. All you have is "hot air," i.e. bullshit.

    My claims are unassailable.


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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 14 20:35:19 2025
    Le 14-03-2025, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
    On 14 Mar 2025 20:01:53 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:


    The real scientist would try to test his claims instead of staying in
    error. Your claims don't stand the facts.

    Let us see YOUR test results.

    The difference is so impressive you don't need to monitor anything. You
    just change your disk and see by yourself.

    You have none. All you have is "hot air," i.e. bullshit.

    I don't need to have test results to know that you can't run as fast as
    a train. It's the same for the hard drive difference. It's so obvious,
    when you have seen some HDD replaced by SSD the question doesn't exist
    anymore.

    My claims are unassailable.

    Your claims are proof of your deny of reality.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 14 20:38:09 2025
    Le 14-03-2025, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
    On 14 Mar 2025 19:48:26 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:


    There will be more and more rust code in the Linux kernel. I'd like to
    see how you'll manage to keep rust away of your computer.

    The kernel Rust code will always be optional,

    Always is a very long time.

    and I will always reject it.

    Yes, like you reject python but still use it.

    If I cannot then I will move to FreeBSD.

    Get ready to change. You'll have to learn a lot and you proved you can't
    learn anything new.

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 14 20:29:01 2025
    On 14 Mar 2025 19:48:26 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:


    There will be more and more rust code in the Linux kernel. I'd like to
    see how you'll manage to keep rust away of your computer.


    The kernel Rust code will always be optional, and I will always reject
    it.

    If I cannot then I will move to FreeBSD.

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 15 02:01:43 2025
    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 16:14:17 +0000, Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux>
    wrote in <182cb7725b537f6d$32889$5317$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:

    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:46:43 +0000, vallor wrote:


    And some people run sophisticated virtual reality simulations that need
    access to more _fast_ disk space than will fit in RAM.


    Whoever does that would destroy the SSD before the sim is finished.

    Not if the simulation is managed "in the cloud", with read-only
    assets pulled off the NVMe drive.

    For such work a motherboard with 1Tb or 2Tb or RAM would be recommended,
    or even a cluster of such MBs.

    Why don't you try it yourself and see?

    You must be a piker.


    That's the term used by the crass instead of "efficiency expert."

    Spinning rust drives are cheap, not "efficient".

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to Physfitfreak on Sat Mar 15 10:53:42 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics

    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 16:26:28 -0500, Physfitfreak wrote:


    Hm.. ? I have almost identical machines, one with SSD and the other with
    HD, same RAM (12 gigs). The one with SSD is noticeably faster than the
    other.


    Only for file loading/saving. On my machines the Iron browser, which
    is based on the severely bloated Chrome, takes almost 10 seconds to load
    and start. With SSD this would be a lot faster.

    But for program execution and computation overall, SSDs have no effect.

    As I stated many times before, I do not use SSDs because the available
    consumer technology is garbage. Consumer SSDs degrade very rapidly and
    require technical "tricks" to give an illusion of durability.

    Ironically, to keep a record of failed and useless storage bits, consumer
    SSDs will incorporate a very small amount of high-grade and essentially permanent memory cells. Only when the entire SSD is composed of such
    permanent memory will I make the switch.





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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Sat Mar 15 11:36:07 2025
    On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 10:53:42 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in <pan$62b74$e7403a8b$f887b3b7$f5942828@linux.rocks>:

    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 16:26:28 -0500, Physfitfreak wrote:


    Hm.. ? I have almost identical machines, one with SSD and the other
    with HD, same RAM (12 gigs). The one with SSD is noticeably faster than
    the other.


    Only for file loading/saving. On my machines the Iron browser, which is based on the severely bloated Chrome, takes almost 10 seconds to load
    and start. With SSD this would be a lot faster.

    But for program execution and computation overall, SSDs have no effect.

    As I stated many times before, I do not use SSDs because the available consumer technology is garbage. Consumer SSDs degrade very rapidly and require technical "tricks" to give an illusion of durability.

    Ironically, to keep a record of failed and useless storage bits,
    consumer SSDs will incorporate a very small amount of high-grade and essentially permanent memory cells. Only when the entire SSD is
    composed of such permanent memory will I make the switch.

    You know, if you don't trust NVMe, you _could_ just make sure
    you have good backups, and even use RAID.

    I have a confession to make: I have my own "spinning rust" drives.
    They are 7200RPM SATA III drives in my NAS in a RAID5 configuration.
    I put backups there, as well as on a 4TB USB3 NVMe enclosure. The
    latter I use for timeshift, as well as serving it via Samba as a
    time machine device for our Mac. That all eventually ends up
    on the NAS, connected to my w/s with 10Gbit Ethernet.

    But when I fire up my space simulator, that runs off an NVMe drive,
    as well as all the assets it uses, including the
    Vulkan (pre-compiled) shaders. This is very fast. As I've said
    before, the persistent writes for that system are "in the cloud",
    where I imagine the storage environment is much different.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Sat Mar 15 13:01:40 2025
    On 3/15/25 06:53, Farley Flud wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 16:26:28 -0500, Physfitfreak wrote:


    Hm.. ? I have almost identical machines, one with SSD and the other with
    HD, same RAM (12 gigs). The one with SSD is noticeably faster than the
    other.


    Only for file loading/saving. On my machines the Iron browser, which
    is based on the severely bloated Chrome, takes almost 10 seconds to load
    and start. With SSD this would be a lot faster.

    But for program execution and computation overall, SSDs have no effect.

    Sure ... until one hits swap...


    -hh

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to -hh on Sat Mar 15 17:29:41 2025
    On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 13:01:40 -0400, -hh wrote:


    But for program execution and computation overall, SSDs have no effect.

    Sure ... until one hits swap...


    Just set vm.swapiness to zero.

    Because you are a big-mouthed and small-brained disto lackey your
    vm.swapiness is set to 60. Check and discover the horror:

    cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
    60

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

    Linux virtual memory parameters can be finely tuned to suit
    any purpose.

    But YOUR only purpose is being a distro lackey.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!


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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to Physfitfreak on Sat Mar 15 11:30:39 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics

    Physfitfreak wrote:

    On 3/14/25 5:27 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 05:45:22 +0000, vallor wrote:


    Meanwhile, my NVMe devices are much, much faster than
    your spinning rust archaisms.


    That is quite irrelevant.

    All computation is performed in cache/RAM and the attached drives,
    of whatever kind, play no role. Even heavy disk I/O is always
    buffered in RAM.

    Thus, the gimmicky SSDs are only useful as a badge of technical
    fashion, just like spoilers on a car.



    Hm.. ? I have almost identical machines, one with SSD and the other with
    HD, same RAM (12 gigs). The one with SSD is noticeably faster than the
    other.


    SSD Sucks!


    --
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    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to Joel on Sat Mar 15 17:33:02 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics

    Joel wrote:

    The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
    Physfitfreak wrote:
    On 3/14/25 5:27 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 05:45:22 +0000, vallor wrote:

    Meanwhile, my NVMe devices are much, much faster than
    your spinning rust archaisms.

    That is quite irrelevant.

    All computation is performed in cache/RAM and the attached drives,
    of whatever kind, play no role. Even heavy disk I/O is always
    buffered in RAM.

    Thus, the gimmicky SSDs are only useful as a badge of technical
    fashion, just like spoilers on a car.

    Hm.. ? I have almost identical machines, one with SSD and the other with >> HD, same RAM (12 gigs). The one with SSD is noticeably faster than the
    other.

    SSD Sucks!

    BS.


    you plug in the ssd and error reads; cannot find ssd.



    it's unstable.

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  • From Scott Doty@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 16 03:50:13 2025
    XPost: sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity

    In article <bsubtj10e057j40tpngchovgjeki24vqkp@4ax.com>, joelcrump@gmail.com says...

    The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
    Physfitfreak wrote:
    On 3/14/25 5:27 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 05:45:22 +0000, vallor wrote:

    Meanwhile, my NVMe devices are much, much faster than
    your spinning rust archaisms.

    That is quite irrelevant.

    All computation is performed in cache/RAM and the attached drives,
    of whatever kind, play no role. Even heavy disk I/O is always
    buffered in RAM.

    Thus, the gimmicky SSDs are only useful as a badge of technical
    fashion, just like spoilers on a car.

    Hm.. ? I have almost identical machines, one with SSD and the other with >> HD, same RAM (12 gigs). The one with SSD is noticeably faster than the
    other.

    SSD Sucks!


    BS.


    Did you hear about the herpes program for Linux?

    It's open sores.

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  • From Andy Gerald@21:1/5 to vallor on Sun Mar 16 13:27:36 2025
    vallor wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 07:15:16 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vr0l23$r5e8$1@dont-email.me>:

    Rust is not magnetic.

    Neither are you.


    You should buy a magnetic suit, it will make you more attractive.

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