Probably this has been asked an infinite number of times before in this usenet group but I do not have an infinite number of times to surf
through an infinite number of posts.
A long time ago the Graphical User Interface came into existence and
this was early on placed upon text operating systems (like CP/M) often
to control program input from storage devices.
(DOS and Windows are examples but there were others.)
People see upon generally two dimensional retinas but it is often seeing
in a three dimensional space.
A lot of operating systems have two dimensional objects that can be 'on
top' or behind other two dimensional screen spaces, but they are not
quite three dimensional in a virtual 3D space. The most I can think of
at the moment is how once upon a time one could 'wave a paper'
around slightly on open SUSE a while back, and that was mostly another
2D image.
Now Windows is only one OS that is generally with stifled innovation
because it does not have a 'free and open source' license. Linux
however is not crippled and stifled in that way. What add ons and
operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional space as its GUI rather
than a 2D one (like most GUIs)?
Le 14-03-2025, x <x@x.org> a écrit :
What add ons and operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional space
as its GUI rather than a 2D one (like most GUIs)?
In fact, each time you have transparency, you have 3D.
What add ons and
operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional
space as its GUI rather than a 2D one (like most
GUIs)?
Linux however is not
crippled and stifled in that way. What add ons and
operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional
space as its GUI rather than a 2D one (like most
GUIs)?
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:57:14 -0700, x wrote:
Linux however is notAfter a minute of searching, I found this on Reddit:
crippled and stifled in that way. What add ons and operating systems
now exist with 3 dimensional space as its GUI rather than a 2D one
(like most GUIs)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXv8VlpoK_g
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass
This 3D desktop project is now defunct and it never caught on.
I can see why. 3D GUIs are a stupid idea. They are not an answer
looking for a question, but more like a hallucination looking for a schizophrenic.
Accept the reality. The ultimate GUI, that of 2D windows, keyboard, and mouse, is already with us. It will never get any better despite many
vain attempts to make it better.
It's just like a car. With the steering wheel, brake and accelerator
pedals, and shift lever, we have attained the ultimate driver UI. It
can never get any better despite idiotic attempts to do so.
On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 10:38:02 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote
in <pan$30006$d20223f3$f7e49a4f$9fbc0d5@linux.rocks>:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:57:14 -0700, x wrote:
Linux however is notAfter a minute of searching, I found this on Reddit:
crippled and stifled in that way. What add ons and operating systems
now exist with 3 dimensional space as its GUI rather than a 2D one
(like most GUIs)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXv8VlpoK_g
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass
This 3D desktop project is now defunct and it never caught on.
I can see why. 3D GUIs are a stupid idea. They are not an answer
looking for a question, but more like a hallucination looking for a
schizophrenic.
Accept the reality. The ultimate GUI, that of 2D windows, keyboard,
and mouse, is already with us. It will never get any better despite
many vain attempts to make it better.
It's just like a car. With the steering wheel, brake and accelerator
pedals, and shift lever, we have attained the ultimate driver UI. It
can never get any better despite idiotic attempts to do so.
I watched the video with interest.
I'm sort of agreeing with you (for a change!), but there are some ideas
from the presentation that both made it in to Beryl/compiz, as well as
could enhance the current desktop experience.
Regarding the latter, I thought that flipping a window around for
annotations made sense -- or generally, annotated bookmarks of some
sort, in a browser-independent fashion. Also, I was intrigued by the CD picker application. I think I would rather it show album covers, rather
than CD's, but that's just me -- also, maybe better organization, since
I have hundreds of music albums, and I can't imagine what that would
look like in a carousel arrangement.
Regarding the former, I remember using Beryl to play a video with
mplayer fullscreen, then rotating the cube to see the video playing on
one face of the cube. That's a cute trick, but it doesn't really help
with much of anything -- but being able to push a video off to the side
makes some sort of sense, if you have only one monitor.
Of course, if you have two monitors, you can just fullscreen your video
on the second monitor. (And on that note: it's a shame that Linux's
NVIDIA DP/HDMI audio drivers will only address one DP/HDMI port at a
time, which means you can only drive one set of monitor-embedded
speakers at a time.)
Finally, there's the fact that Beryl (and I assume, compiz) can have
windows "float" over cube surfaces while rotating, which does give some
3D structure to the whole thing -- you can "see under" windows. But
nowadays -- with compositing window managers like xfce -- one can have a window be translucent while dragging it, so you can "see through" a
window at what's underneath. (I suppose one could call that a "2.5D
window manager".)
Thank you for your post, Farley, that was good advocacy. :)
On 2025-03-14, x <x@x.org> wrote:
Probably this has been asked an infinite number of times before
in this usenet group but I do not have an infinite number of times
to surf through an infinite number of posts.
A long time ago the Graphical User Interface came into existence
and this was early on placed upon text operating systems (like
CP/M) often to control program input from storage devices.
(DOS and Windows are examples but there were others.)
People see upon generally two dimensional retinas but it
is often seeing in a three dimensional space.
A lot of operating systems have two dimensional objects
that can be 'on top' or behind other two dimensional
screen spaces, but they are not quite three dimensional
in a virtual 3D space. The most I can think of at the
moment is how once upon a time one could 'wave a paper'
around slightly on open SUSE a while back, and that
was mostly another 2D image.
Now Windows is only one OS that is generally with
stifled innovation because it does not have a 'free
and open source' license. Linux however is not
crippled and stifled in that way. What add ons and
operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional
space as its GUI rather than a 2D one (like most
GUIs)?
About the only use of 3D in the Linux Desktop that I've seen is the 3D cube. I played around with it once. I didn't see much point in it, it seemed more like a gimmick than anything else.
But I'm guessing you're speaking of something more complex than that 3DThat's how I read it.
cube.
On 2025-03-15, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2025-03-14, x <x@x.org> wrote:
Probably this has been asked an infinite number of times before in
this usenet group but I do not have an infinite number of times to
surf through an infinite number of posts.
A long time ago the Graphical User Interface came into existence and
this was early on placed upon text operating systems (like CP/M) often
to control program input from storage devices.
(DOS and Windows are examples but there were others.)
People see upon generally two dimensional retinas but it is often
seeing in a three dimensional space.
A lot of operating systems have two dimensional objects that can be
'on top' or behind other two dimensional screen spaces, but they are
not quite three dimensional in a virtual 3D space. The most I can
think of at the moment is how once upon a time one could 'wave a
paper'
around slightly on open SUSE a while back, and that was mostly another
2D image.
Now Windows is only one OS that is generally with stifled innovation
because it does not have a 'free and open source' license. Linux
however is not crippled and stifled in that way. What add ons and
operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional space as its GUI rather
than a 2D one (like most GUIs)?
About the only use of 3D in the Linux Desktop that I've seen is the 3D
cube.
I played around with it once. I didn't see much point in it, it seemed
more like a gimmick than anything else.
I remember trying out that one. Kind of interesting but it tended to get
me dizzy for some reason.
Like you say, a gimmick.
But I'm guessing you're speaking of something more complex than that 3DThat's how I read it.
cube.
On 15 Mar 2025 09:26:07 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr>
wrote in <67d547af$0$29714$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:
Le 14-03-2025, x <x@x.org> a écrit :
What add ons and operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional space
as its GUI rather than a 2D one (like most GUIs)?
In fact, each time you have transparency, you have 3D.
Compositing does sort of have that effect, but I think he was looking
for something more like "lawnmower man" (I think).
https://github.com/capisce/mazecompositor
On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 15:05:22 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in <vr44vi$3o7e1$1@dont-email.me>:
On 2025-03-15, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2025-03-14, x <x@x.org> wrote:
Probably this has been asked an infinite number of times before in
this usenet group but I do not have an infinite number of times to
surf through an infinite number of posts.
A long time ago the Graphical User Interface came into existence and
this was early on placed upon text operating systems (like CP/M) often >>>> to control program input from storage devices.
(DOS and Windows are examples but there were others.)
People see upon generally two dimensional retinas but it is often
seeing in a three dimensional space.
A lot of operating systems have two dimensional objects that can be
'on top' or behind other two dimensional screen spaces, but they are
not quite three dimensional in a virtual 3D space. The most I can
think of at the moment is how once upon a time one could 'wave a
paper'
around slightly on open SUSE a while back, and that was mostly another >>>> 2D image.
Now Windows is only one OS that is generally with stifled innovation
because it does not have a 'free and open source' license. Linux
however is not crippled and stifled in that way. What add ons and
operating systems now exist with 3 dimensional space as its GUI rather >>>> than a 2D one (like most GUIs)?
About the only use of 3D in the Linux Desktop that I've seen is the 3D
cube.
I played around with it once. I didn't see much point in it, it seemed
more like a gimmick than anything else.
I remember trying out that one. Kind of interesting but it tended to get
me dizzy for some reason.
Like you say, a gimmick.
But I'm guessing you're speaking of something more complex than that 3DThat's how I read it.
cube.
Well, at least there's a 3D file manager out there, though
it isn't being maintained.
The "Jurassic Park file manager" (fsn) was cloned into a new
tool for Linux, "fsv".
https://github.com/mcuelenaere/fsv
As for rotating desktops, quivering windows, and all the rest of the
stuff, I can live without it.
This 3D desktop project is now defunct and it never caught
on.
I can see why. 3D GUIs are a stupid idea. They are not an
answer looking for a question, but more like a hallucination
looking for a schizophrenic.
Accept the reality. The ultimate GUI, that of 2D windows,
keyboard, and mouse, is already with us. It will never get
any better despite many vain attempts to make it better.
"Microsoft is not now nor has it ever been a monopoly. At every point in Microsoft's existence there was an alternative OS." - John "mono means
one" Slade
On 2025-03-16, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Farley Flud wrote:
This 3D desktop project is now defunct and it never caught
on.
I can see why. 3D GUIs are a stupid idea. They are not an
answer looking for a question, but more like a hallucination
looking for a schizophrenic.
Accept the reality. The ultimate GUI, that of 2D windows,
keyboard, and mouse, is already with us. It will never get
any better despite many vain attempts to make it better.
Decktop GUI's are certainly a mature technology, with little to
improve upon. Witness the abject failure of recent attempts to change
it radically.
I never liked change for change sake. Always seemed counter-productive. Windows 8 is kind of proof of that.
chrisv wrote:
"Microsoft is not now nor has it ever been a monopoly. At every point in
Microsoft's existence there was an alternative OS." - John "mono means
one" Slade
I know you're being ironic, but lest we forget: it was
once adjudicated as a monopoly.
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