• Microsoft will force Windows 11 installs to use Microsoft account

    From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 28 15:53:59 2025
    ... it confirms the removal of a popular bypass.

    It looks like local accounts will be a thing of the past, on PCs anyway.
    Linux will be the last remaining option.

    <https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypass>
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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Fri Mar 28 20:37:52 2025
    On Mar 28, 2025 at 3:53:59 PM EDT, "CrudeSausage" <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

    ... it confirms the removal of a popular bypass.

    It looks like local accounts will be a thing of the past, on PCs anyway. Linux will be the last remaining option.

    <https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypass>

    As always, Enterprise users won't have this restriction. Because enterprise Windows PCs are local accounts. Part of the "lock down".

    Also, if you read the entire article there are already ways to restore this option.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Mon Mar 31 09:17:23 2025
    On 2025-03-31 02:10, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-30, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-03-30 3:00 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-03-29 2:12 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-28, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    ... it confirms the removal of a popular bypass.

    It looks like local accounts will be a thing of the past, on PCs anyway. >>>>>> Linux will be the last remaining option.

    <https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypass>

    The final reason to not install Windows on any partition at all. Zero >>>>> interest in a Microsoft account and about the only time I boot into Windows
    (already) is to update it. So, basically, if you don't have a connection to
    the Internet you can't install Windows. Another win for Linux.

    The concept of non-local accounts is actually unnatural to a lot of
    people who aren't too familiar with the way computers work. As I was
    doing the tech meeting for my school board a few weeks ago (I'm one of >>>> two tech representatives for my school), I noticed that a few teachers >>>> were complaining that Windows automatically displayed personal photos to >>>> the students (since the computer is connected to a projector in class) >>>> whenever the machine would go to sleep. I replied that it might not be a >>>> good idea to put personal content on the OneDrive account. They had no >>>> idea what I was referring to. Then, another teacher complained that they >>>> had taken a screenshot on one computer and that the screenshot was then >>>> available on another. They thought it was hacking or something. I had to >>>> inform them that logging into Windows is done through a Microsoft
    account, in this case the one tied to the school board. If they take a >>>> screenshot or add any content to their personal folders, those folders >>>> are synchronized with the web and then back to whatever computer they
    use on which they use their Microsoft account. I also informed them that >>>> this was a _feature_, same as it on Macs that do the same thing, and
    that they actively have to disable it. I then explained how they could >>>> do so.

    I'm rambling, but it shows how people expect content to remain on the
    computer it was created or saved. The content of synchronization across >>>> devices, for better or for worse, doesn't seem right. Obviously, it has >>>> lots of benefits because it is available to you wherever you are and
    whatever device you use. However, it also means that Microsoft (or
    Google or Apple) has access to that content as well. At best, they will >>>> store it on their servers and not bother you; at worst, they will scan >>>> your content for politically correct wording and edit it for you or call >>>> the authorities because a cute photo you took of your naked one-year-old >>>> is believed to be child pornography. There used to be an option to opt >>>> out at installation, not anymore. You can opt out from within the system >>>> later on, but finding the option to do so might be a lot more
    complicated than you expected.

    The only account I sync online is Simplenote. No pictures, just text and >>> mostly just stuff I'll forget if I don't "write it down."

    I guess I do have Google Drive, but I only upload stuff up like screenshots >>> or short screenplays that I want to share and I fully realize that Google >>> has access to this stuff, but I don't care. Anything I don't want to lose or
    I don't want to share, I don't upload anywhere.
    backup locally.

    Getting older, I'm preferring to back up onto my own external hard disk
    despite the availability of OneDrive and things similar. For documents
    and photos, there is no doubt that Microsoft offers convenience though.
    Back in the day, we had one machine and if we lost our photos, we really
    felt like garbage if we didn't bother to back them up. Now, we're using
    at least two and if one of those devices were to fail, it's nice to know
    that those photos are still on the other machine as well as the online
    server. It's especially useful for users who get affected by malware
    that encrypts their personal data.

    At the same time, knowing that Apple is constantly scanning user
    accounts to "look for illegal material" doesn't comfort me in any way.
    To give you an idea, when my father-in-law sent me a photo of my boy
    taking a dip in his little swimming pool when he was over, I immediately
    freaked out because I knew that to Apple or Microsoft, that's not a cute
    photo of my son: that's potential child pornography.

    What I'm doing for backing up my data now is getting $1.49 USB to SATA
    cables and buying 2.5" 500GB (7200) SATA hard drives for about $10
    (shipped). A cheap, faster thumb drive. I don't know how many pictures you have or how big they are, but a 500 GB drive can hold quite a few.

    For this Linux machine, I use a 2TB HD I pulled out of its original
    enclosure and put into a $10 one I bought at Canada Computers. As far as
    I know, people usually throw out these $80 external hard disks after a
    year or two because the operating system no longer detects the drive.
    People assume the drive is dead, but the reality is that the connector
    on the enclosure and the wire provided are both complete shit. If you
    open it up and put the drive into a different one, it works as expected.

    I could have just thrown it out and bought another, but I don't feel
    like throwing something I know I can get working out. It does its job as
    a complement to this $150 laptop and its aging 128GB SSD.

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    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Tue Apr 1 10:00:56 2025
    On 2025-03-30, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-03-29 7:47 p.m., Borax Man wrote:
    On 2025-03-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-03-29 7:42 a.m., Borax Man wrote:
    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
    On 2025-03-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
    Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:

    I really love how *this* [Microsoft requiring signing in to an online account, to log into Windows 11] is the deal-breaker, having to sign in to an
    online account, OMFG what a travesty, never mind the Copilot+
    bullshit, never mind the ever-increasing Windows bloat, never mind >>>>>>> that your shiny new Win11 box will be outdated in four years' time. >>>>>>> Jesus Christ, people, get with Linux, before you just sell your
    computing soul to M$.

    Its probably just the straw that is breaking the camels back. I was >>>>>> helping someone install Linux, and he was not wanting CoPilot and
    privacy intrusions and the like. But an online account, that is a very >>>>>> clear indication that your computer is not yours anymore. The rest of >>>>>> what you mentioned is bloatware, which was a "Feature" of Windows
    systems for years. Somewhat mandatory online accounts are a new
    paradigm though, which is why it stands out.

    The fact is, while it is possible to skirt around the creation of an >>>>>> online account, it is a REAL pain to do so. Quite difficult.


    I wanted to use my M$ account to log in to Winblows when I built this >>>>> PC. It was a feature. Copilot, though, later on, was a piece of
    utter garbage*, and the bloat of 23H2 was already more than I wanted >>>>> to bear.

    * I do use Copilot as a Web app in Linux, though, it's cute.


    What advantages does the MS account offer? I have one for email, but
    thats a hold-over from the old hotmail days. In fact, I used Hotmail
    when it was HoTMaiL, before MS bought it.

    1) Synchronization of content saved to OneDrive across all devices.
    2) (Theoretically) unlimited storage for e-mail.
    3) Synchronization of your calendar across every device connected
    through your Microsoft account.
    4) Free content creation (fifteen images a day) on Microsoft Designer.
    5) Free use of basic Microsoft Office applications on office.com.

    I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones that come to mind right now.


    These may be useful, but I don't see why one would need to use an
    account to INSTALL Windows. If one wants to use these features, simply
    enable them in Windows, if not, don't sign up. IT could even be an
    installation open, asking the user whether they want to sign up for
    these features. But making it difficult to sign up seems to be the thin
    edge of the "OS as a service" future MS may be trying to push through.

    I agree. However, a lot of these features are a response to Apple
    offering them to buyers of their computers. A lot of them have privacy implications, but having access to basic versions of Office is a
    necessity when you're looking at your competition and it's bundling its
    own office suite with the purchase of a computer.


    I don't really buy this. Microsoft could very easily advertise these
    features during install, make them opt in, make it clear why you are
    setting up the account and what it gives you. Instead, it just demands
    it, and says little else.

    This is more about control.

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