• Linux provides software to study the Bible, out of the box

    From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 15 19:57:01 2025
    I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought that
    was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only the Bible
    but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if our resident homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a chance of avoiding Hell.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Wed Apr 16 01:05:50 2025
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 19:57:01 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought that
    was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only the Bible
    but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if our resident homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a chance of avoiding
    Hell.

    Are you talking about UbuntuCE? If you're looking for enlightenment out
    of the box:

    https://www.bodhilinux.com/

    Bodhi Linux appears to be more of a minimalist philosophical statement
    rather than any specific Buddhist content.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue Apr 15 21:15:23 2025
    On 4/15/25 21:05, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 19:57:01 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought that
    was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only the Bible
    but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if our resident
    homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a chance of avoiding
    Hell.

    Are you talking about UbuntuCE? If you're looking for enlightenment out
    of the box:

    https://www.bodhilinux.com/

    Bodhi Linux appears to be more of a minimalist philosophical statement
    rather than any specific Buddhist content.

    Actually, I was referring to Xiphos which allows you to download your
    choice of Bible version from within the software.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    LibreOffice supporter
    John 14:6

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Wed Apr 16 06:00:58 2025
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 21:15:23 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    On 4/15/25 21:05, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 19:57:01 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought that
    was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only the
    Bible but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if our
    resident homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a chance of
    avoiding Hell.

    Are you talking about UbuntuCE? If you're looking for enlightenment
    out of the box:

    https://www.bodhilinux.com/

    Bodhi Linux appears to be more of a minimalist philosophical statement
    rather than any specific Buddhist content.

    Actually, I was referring to Xiphos which allows you to download your
    choice of Bible version from within the software.

    UbuntuCE does include Xiphos but it is a third party application that is
    also available for Windows and Unix. I'm not sure about MacOS. Other than UbuntuCE it isn't included in any distribution 'out of the box'. That's
    like saying Linux provides 'John the Ripper'. That also runs on Linux, Windows, and other OSs. As far as 'out of the box', iirc you have to
    select one of the packages even in Kali.

    Other than the CE build, not out of the box on Ubuntu. You have to add a
    PPA since some of the prerequisites aren't in the standard Ubuntu
    packages.

    https://launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ubuntu/ppa


    "One does well to put on gloves when reading the New Testament. The
    proximity of so much uncleanliness almost forces one to do this."

    Friedrich Nietzsche

    As far as the Old Testament, Marcion had the right idea. No reason to be concerned with the Jews and their genocidal tribal god. New day, new
    covenant.

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to rbowman on Wed Apr 16 11:05:06 2025
    On 16 Apr 2025 06:00:58 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <m68vcpFn125U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 21:15:23 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    On 4/15/25 21:05, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 19:57:01 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought
    that was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only
    the Bible but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if
    our resident homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a
    chance of avoiding Hell.

    Are you talking about UbuntuCE? If you're looking for enlightenment
    out of the box:

    https://www.bodhilinux.com/

    Bodhi Linux appears to be more of a minimalist philosophical statement
    rather than any specific Buddhist content.

    Actually, I was referring to Xiphos which allows you to download your
    choice of Bible version from within the software.

    UbuntuCE does include Xiphos but it is a third party application that is
    also available for Windows and Unix. I'm not sure about MacOS. Other
    than UbuntuCE it isn't included in any distribution 'out of the box'.
    That's like saying Linux provides 'John the Ripper'. That also runs on Linux, Windows, and other OSs. As far as 'out of the box', iirc you have
    to select one of the packages even in Kali.

    Other than the CE build, not out of the box on Ubuntu. You have to add a
    PPA since some of the prerequisites aren't in the standard Ubuntu
    packages.

    https://launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ubuntu/ppa


    "One does well to put on gloves when reading the New Testament. The
    proximity of so much uncleanliness almost forces one to do this."

    Friedrich Nietzsche

    As far as the Old Testament, Marcion had the right idea. No reason to be concerned with the Jews and their genocidal tribal god. New day, new covenant.

    Ubuntu (and derivatives) have the classic package "bible-kjv", which
    gives you a bible(1) command:

    $ bible
    bible: Debian/BRS Release 4.36
    Hit '?' for help.

    Genesis 1

    1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]> ??light
    Searching for 'light'... [235 refs]
    bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]> ?and darkness
    Searching for 'darkness'... [142 refs]
    [55 refs in combined list]
    bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]> ?list
    References [55]: Gen1:4 Gen1:5 Gen1:18 Ex14:20 Job3:4 Job10:22 Job12:22 Job17:12 Job18:18 Job29:3 Job30:26 Job38:19 Ps18:28 Ps112:4 Ps139:11 Ps139:12 Ec2:13 Is5:20 Is5:30 Is9:2 Is42:16 Is45:7 Is50:10 Is58:10 Is59:9 Je13:16 Lam3:2 Da2:22 Am5:18 Am5:20 Mi7:8 Mt4:16 Mt6:23 Mt10:27 Lu1:79 Lu11:34 Lu11:35 Lu12:3 Jn1:5 Jn3:19 Jn8:12 Jn12:35 Jn12:46 Ac26:18 Ro2:19 Ro13:12 1Co4:5 2Co4:6 2Co6:14 Ep5:8 1Th5:5 1Pe2:9 1Jn1:5 1Jn2:8 1Jn2:9
    bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]> mt6:22-23

    Matthew 6

    22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
    23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! bible(KJV) [Mt6:23]>
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    But https://biblegateway.com is better, with quite a few translations.
    bible(1) is just easier for quick quotes for c/p.

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to rbowman on Wed Apr 16 11:09:55 2025
    On 16 Apr 2025 06:00:58 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <m68vcpFn125U1@mid.individual.net>:


    https://launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ubuntu/ppa

    BTW, thought about adding this ppa -- just looked, and they
    have cmake in there. tsk, tsk -- why would they do that?

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to rbowman on Wed Apr 16 08:50:15 2025
    On 2025-04-16 02:00, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 21:15:23 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    On 4/15/25 21:05, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 19:57:01 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought that >>>> was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only the
    Bible but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if our
    resident homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a chance of
    avoiding Hell.

    Are you talking about UbuntuCE? If you're looking for enlightenment
    out of the box:

    https://www.bodhilinux.com/

    Bodhi Linux appears to be more of a minimalist philosophical statement
    rather than any specific Buddhist content.

    Actually, I was referring to Xiphos which allows you to download your
    choice of Bible version from within the software.

    UbuntuCE does include Xiphos but it is a third party application that is
    also available for Windows and Unix. I'm not sure about MacOS. Other than UbuntuCE it isn't included in any distribution 'out of the box'. That's
    like saying Linux provides 'John the Ripper'. That also runs on Linux, Windows, and other OSs. As far as 'out of the box', iirc you have to
    select one of the packages even in Kali.

    Other than the CE build, not out of the box on Ubuntu. You have to add a
    PPA since some of the prerequisites aren't in the standard Ubuntu
    packages.

    https://launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ubuntu/ppa


    "One does well to put on gloves when reading the New Testament. The
    proximity of so much uncleanliness almost forces one to do this."

    Friedrich Nietzsche

    I couldn't give one poop what Nietzsche has to say on any matter. The
    fact that I was forced to study this cretin is inexcusable.

    As far as the Old Testament, Marcion had the right idea. No reason to be concerned with the Jews and their genocidal tribal god. New day, new covenant.

    I can tell I'm talking to someone who doesn't love God or understand His nature.

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    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    LibreOffice supporter
    John 14:6

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Wed Apr 16 09:03:20 2025
    On 2025-04-16 08:50, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-04-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 4/15/25 21:05, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 19:57:01 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought that >>>> was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only the Bible >>>> but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if our resident >>>> homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a chance of avoiding
    Hell.

    Are you talking about UbuntuCE? If you're looking for enlightenment out >>> of the box:

    https://www.bodhilinux.com/

    Bodhi Linux appears to be more of a minimalist philosophical statement
    rather than any specific Buddhist content.

    Actually, I was referring to Xiphos which allows you to download your
    choice of Bible version from within the software.

    Apparently no Catholic Bible with the deuterocanonicals. I'm guessing their notes are skewed against the Catholic Church. Hopefully they're not relying on the Scofield Bible notes in any way.

    That is quite possible. I downloaded the New English Translation, but I
    have no idea whether it skews in one way or another. According to some
    experts I've read from, Bibles vary from one region to another with some
    having more chapters than others, but their meaning is essentially the
    same. Apparently, there are about forty differences in the wording used,
    but the meaning isn't altered in any way.

    I trust the Bible, but I don't trust the interpretations made by
    homosexuals or progressives.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    LibreOffice supporter
    John 14:6

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 16 10:07:10 2025
    On 2025-04-16 09:55, Sn!pe wrote:
    CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

    [...]

    I trust the Bible, but I don't trust the interpretations made by
    homosexuals or progressives.


    What does your book have to say about Linux?

    I actually looked this up. The Christian position is that proprietary
    formats are unethical. Therefore, the priority should be to use
    OpenDocument over Office Open XML.

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    CrudeSausage
    LibreOffice supporter
    John 14:6

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Wed Apr 16 19:01:21 2025
    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 09:03:20 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    That is quite possible. I downloaded the New English Translation, but I
    have no idea whether it skews in one way or another. According to some experts I've read from, Bibles vary from one region to another with some having more chapters than others, but their meaning is essentially the
    same. Apparently, there are about forty differences in the wording used,
    but the meaning isn't altered in any way.

    I prefer the Jerusalem Bible, anything but the KJV.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to vallor on Wed Apr 16 18:24:03 2025
    On 16 Apr 2025 11:05:06 GMT, vallor wrote:

    Ubuntu (and derivatives) have the classic package "bible-kjv", which
    gives you a bible(1) command:

    ~$ bible
    Command 'bible' not found, but can be installed with:
    sudo apt install bible-kjv


    It's not in the default install nor is it anything special to Linux. I
    have

    amazon.com/Modern-Liturgy-Hours-2025-Contemporary-ebook/dp/B0DM94P5QF

    on my Kindle. That certainly doesn't imply any special relationship of
    Amazon or Kindle to Christianity.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Wed Apr 16 18:42:57 2025
    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 12:50:30 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    Apparently no Catholic Bible with the deuterocanonicals. I'm guessing
    their notes are skewed against the Catholic Church. Hopefully they're
    not relying on the Scofield Bible notes in any way.

    https://www.crosswire.org/

    Their materials seem to be whatever is floating around in the public
    domain but I doubt there are many Catholics among them. I know the
    official line but bible study wasn't a big thing in my experience (pre- Vatican).

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to rbowman on Wed Apr 16 21:14:04 2025
    On 16 Apr 2025 19:01:21 GMT, rbowman wrote:

    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 09:03:20 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    That is quite possible. I downloaded the New English Translation, but I
    have no idea whether it skews in one way or another. According to some
    experts I've read from, Bibles vary from one region to another with some
    having more chapters than others, but their meaning is essentially the
    same. Apparently, there are about forty differences in the wording used,
    but the meaning isn't altered in any way.

    I prefer the Jerusalem Bible, anything but the KJV.


    What a couple of dumbfuck assholes.

    Haven't you fucking retards ever heard of the Apocrypha or Pseudopigrapha?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudepigrapha

    Get outa here! This group is for knowledgeable people only.


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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to rbowman on Wed Apr 16 22:13:59 2025
    On 16 Apr 2025 18:24:03 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <m6aau2Ftqq0U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 16 Apr 2025 11:05:06 GMT, vallor wrote:

    Ubuntu (and derivatives) have the classic package "bible-kjv", which
    gives you a bible(1) command:

    ~$ bible
    Command 'bible' not found, but can be installed with:
    sudo apt install bible-kjv


    It's not in the default install nor is it anything special to Linux.

    I didn't say either, I meant it was in the repos for easy installation.
    You can also get the raw text, as well as the concordance-creating tools,
    with "apt source bible-kjv". The Bible text looks like the following:

    $ head -3 bible.rawtext
    Holy Bible, Authorized (King James) Version. Textfile 930105.
    Ge1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Ge1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the
    face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    However, I saw in another post that you don't prefer the kjv, so I guess
    this won't be much use to you.

    I
    have

    amazon.com/Modern-Liturgy-Hours-2025-Contemporary-ebook/dp/B0DM94P5QF

    on my Kindle. That certainly doesn't imply any special relationship of
    Amazon or Kindle to Christianity.

    I didn't think there was such a relationship with Ubuntu, just pointing
    out that you can get a helpful tool from the default repos.

    (However, one might consider that the gift culture of the "spirit
    of Ubuntu" could be compared to the early Christian communities.)

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Wed Apr 16 22:19:05 2025
    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 21:14:04 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in <pan$77274$95402562$372af382$562d7ff3@linux.rocks>:

    On 16 Apr 2025 19:01:21 GMT, rbowman wrote:

    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 09:03:20 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    That is quite possible. I downloaded the New English Translation, but
    I have no idea whether it skews in one way or another. According to
    some experts I've read from, Bibles vary from one region to another
    with some having more chapters than others, but their meaning is
    essentially the same. Apparently, there are about forty differences in
    the wording used,
    but the meaning isn't altered in any way.

    I prefer the Jerusalem Bible, anything but the KJV.


    What a couple of dumbfuck assholes.

    Haven't you fucking retards ever heard of the Apocrypha or
    Pseudopigrapha?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudepigrapha

    Get outa here! This group is for knowledgeable people only.

    What does this have to do with a) Linux, and b) the price of
    tea in China?

    ObLinuxTool: In the bible-kjv package, the concordance-creating
    tool is a perl script, "makeconc.pl".

    $ egrep -v "^#|^$" makeconc.pl | wc -l
    40

    perl is a powerhouse.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to vallor on Wed Apr 16 23:41:45 2025
    On 16 Apr 2025 22:13:59 GMT, vallor wrote:


    However, I saw in another post that you don't prefer the kjv, so I guess
    this won't be much use to you.

    I'm not a fan of James VI and I, and the fruit of the poisoned tree. James
    and Robert Bellarmine SJ had a pre-usenet heated discussion over the
    divine right of kings. Bellarmine found justification in Thomas Aquinas
    for regicide in the case of tyrants, not that he was suggesting James be beheaded like his mother :)

    I didn't think there was such a relationship with Ubuntu, just pointing
    out that you can get a helpful tool from the default repos.

    No, it goes back to Sausage's original post and the title of the thread.
    He seemed to be implying something special about Linux. Every OS has one
    or more bible applications should you desire to install them.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to rbowman on Wed Apr 16 19:48:25 2025
    On 4/16/25 19:41, rbowman wrote:
    On 16 Apr 2025 22:13:59 GMT, vallor wrote:


    However, I saw in another post that you don't prefer the kjv, so I guess
    this won't be much use to you.

    I'm not a fan of James VI and I, and the fruit of the poisoned tree. James and Robert Bellarmine SJ had a pre-usenet heated discussion over the
    divine right of kings. Bellarmine found justification in Thomas Aquinas
    for regicide in the case of tyrants, not that he was suggesting James be beheaded like his mother :)

    I didn't think there was such a relationship with Ubuntu, just pointing
    out that you can get a helpful tool from the default repos.

    No, it goes back to Sausage's original post and the title of the thread.
    He seemed to be implying something special about Linux. Every OS has one
    or more bible applications should you desire to install them.

    It's special because Linux holds this software in its repositories and
    allows you to install it with one command. Under Windows or MacOS, the
    software will only be installed if you search for it on the web and
    download it. The fact that it is so readily and easily available does
    indeed imply something special about Linux.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    LibreOffice supporter
    John 14:6

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Thu Apr 17 04:13:41 2025
    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 19:48:25 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    It's special because Linux holds this software in its repositories and
    allows you to install it with one command. Under Windows or MacOS, the software will only be installed if you search for it on the web and
    download it. The fact that it is so readily and easily available does
    indeed imply something special about Linux.

    Okay, let's suppose I never heard of xiphos, which is indeed the case, but
    I wanted to find bible study software for Linux.

    https://www.linuxlinks.com/biblesoftware/

    Back to searching. Perhaps I'm running Ubuntu with snap.

    https://snapcraft.io/store?q=bible+study

    8 hits, no xiphos. Or I'm on the Fedora box with flatpak.

    https://flathub.org/apps/search?q=bible+study

    9 results, and it even has xiphos.

    https://apps.microsoft.com/search?query=bible+study&hl=en-US&gl=US

    They don't give a count but I never knew there were so many video bible
    studies in the world, let alone the apps.

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to vallor on Thu Apr 17 11:35:51 2025
    On 16 Apr 2025 11:09:55 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote in <m69hg3Fk9skU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 16 Apr 2025 06:00:58 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <m68vcpFn125U1@mid.individual.net>:


    https://launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ubuntu/ppa

    BTW, thought about adding this ppa -- just looked, and they have cmake
    in there. tsk, tsk -- why would they do that?

    Investigated this further. Couldn't add the ppa because it doesn't support Ubuntu Noble -- /plus/, it turns out Xiphos is already in Ubuntu Noble.

    So on Linux Mint 22.1, I just needed to sudo apt install xiphos.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 17 08:44:27 2025
    On 2025-04-16 20:06, Sn!pe wrote:
    CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

    On 4/16/25 19:41, rbowman wrote:
    On 16 Apr 2025 22:13:59 GMT, vallor wrote:


    However, I saw in another post that you don't prefer the kjv, so I guess >>>> this won't be much use to you.

    I'm not a fan of James VI and I, and the fruit of the poisoned tree. James >>> and Robert Bellarmine SJ had a pre-usenet heated discussion over the
    divine right of kings. Bellarmine found justification in Thomas Aquinas
    for regicide in the case of tyrants, not that he was suggesting James be >>> beheaded like his mother :)

    I didn't think there was such a relationship with Ubuntu, just pointing >>>> out that you can get a helpful tool from the default repos.

    No, it goes back to Sausage's original post and the title of the thread. >>> He seemed to be implying something special about Linux. Every OS has one >>> or more bible applications should you desire to install them.

    It's special because Linux holds this software in its repositories and
    allows you to install it with one command. Under Windows or MacOS, the
    software will only be installed if you search for it on the web and
    download it. The fact that it is so readily and easily available does
    indeed imply something special about Linux.

    The Tuxites of Linux are indeed the Chosen Tribe. The Windowsites and
    the Macosites are heretics, they must be smitten (or smited, even).

    The users of one operating system have no greater chance of going to
    Hell than the users of another. However, I do think that the users have
    no excuse for consciously supporting proprietary formats when suitable
    open ones exist. It's one thing to say that Excel can do some advanced
    thing that Calc is incapable of doing. However, if what you do is basic
    and can be done by both applications, there is no good reason to choose
    XLS to save with.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    LibreOffice supporter
    John 14:6

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to rbowman on Thu Apr 17 08:49:46 2025
    On 2025-04-17 00:13, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 19:48:25 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    It's special because Linux holds this software in its repositories and
    allows you to install it with one command. Under Windows or MacOS, the
    software will only be installed if you search for it on the web and
    download it. The fact that it is so readily and easily available does
    indeed imply something special about Linux.

    Okay, let's suppose I never heard of xiphos, which is indeed the case, but
    I wanted to find bible study software for Linux.

    https://www.linuxlinks.com/biblesoftware/

    Back to searching. Perhaps I'm running Ubuntu with snap.

    https://snapcraft.io/store?q=bible+study

    8 hits, no xiphos. Or I'm on the Fedora box with flatpak.

    https://flathub.org/apps/search?q=bible+study

    9 results, and it even has xiphos.

    https://apps.microsoft.com/search?query=bible+study&hl=en-US&gl=US

    They don't give a count but I never knew there were so many video bible studies in the world, let alone the apps.

    To most people, the availability of such software won't sway them one
    way or another. For my part, I'm convinced that there is a spiritual
    awakening happening in society and that a lot of people looking to
    follow God will be convinced to migrate to Linux. The fact that it will
    then be easy for them to install software to study Scripture will only
    confirm their decision.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    LibreOffice supporter
    John 14:6

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Thu Apr 17 08:57:46 2025
    On 2025-04-17 04:19, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-04-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-04-16 02:00, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 21:15:23 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    On 4/15/25 21:05, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 19:57:01 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought that >>>>>> was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only the >>>>>> Bible but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if our >>>>>> resident homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a chance of >>>>>> avoiding Hell.

    Are you talking about UbuntuCE? If you're looking for enlightenment >>>>> out of the box:

    https://www.bodhilinux.com/

    Bodhi Linux appears to be more of a minimalist philosophical statement >>>>> rather than any specific Buddhist content.

    Actually, I was referring to Xiphos which allows you to download your
    choice of Bible version from within the software.

    UbuntuCE does include Xiphos but it is a third party application that is >>> also available for Windows and Unix. I'm not sure about MacOS. Other than >>> UbuntuCE it isn't included in any distribution 'out of the box'. That's
    like saying Linux provides 'John the Ripper'. That also runs on Linux,
    Windows, and other OSs. As far as 'out of the box', iirc you have to
    select one of the packages even in Kali.

    Other than the CE build, not out of the box on Ubuntu. You have to add a >>> PPA since some of the prerequisites aren't in the standard Ubuntu
    packages.

    https://launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ubuntu/ppa


    "One does well to put on gloves when reading the New Testament. The
    proximity of so much uncleanliness almost forces one to do this."

    Friedrich Nietzsche

    I couldn't give one poop what Nietzsche has to say on any matter. The
    fact that I was forced to study this cretin is inexcusable.

    Wasn't Friedrich Nietzsche Hitler's hero?

    I have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised. Every lesson I ever had on Nietzsche made me wish I could get that time back.

    As far as the Old Testament, Marcion had the right idea. No reason to be >>> concerned with the Jews and their genocidal tribal god. New day, new
    covenant.

    I can tell I'm talking to someone who doesn't love God or understand His
    nature.

    The Old Testament is not about the "Jews" it's about the people who were supposed to be worshiping God, who (unfortunately) often reverted to
    paganism (just like so many Christians do today).

    This is definitely true. Just this morning, I parked next to one of my colleagues and noticed that he had Aboriginal garbage in his vehicle. Apparently, believing in Christ is ridiculous but believing in dream
    catchers is just fine.

    "Jew" was derived from
    "Judaen" which was just one of the tribes of Israel. And yet Abraham is usually called a "Jew" by people who are clueless. How could he be a "Jew" before Judah was born?

    Modern Judaism is not the Old Covenant religion. That ceased when the Temple was destroyed (actually probably when veil between the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies was ripped from top to bottom at Christ's death). Biblical Judaism relied on animal sacrifices in anticipation of Christ's ultimate sacrifice. After Christ was sacrificed on the cross there was no need for
    the Temple or its anticipatory sacrifices. The Old Testament was superseded. True worshipers of God, before Christ, looked forward to the arrival of the Messiah, Christians look back to it.

    Rabbinical Judaism is based on the "traditions of the elders" ("which made the law of God of non-effect"). The traditions were codified into the Babylonian Talmud, as a counter to the true New Covenant religion, Christianity. The Old Covenant religion had passed away a century, or so, before Rabbinical Judaism took its place. (The two are not related.) You don't have to read much of the Talmud to see that it is pure, satanic filth. (It was okay to rape a young girl because the hymen "heals" itself, kind of like when being poked in the eye, it repairs itself.) You'll find the
    rabbis actually discussing this kind of filth in the Talmud. (And you wondered why Hollywood was so full pedophiles.)

    At any rate, the Old Testament and New Testament are both from the same God. (Which was going to be my original point.)

    For long, I've seen the New Testament as the only thing worthy of study. However, I've come to understand that Jesus himself saw it as
    authoritative, so it is clear that I need to learn more about it. I'm
    just glad that someone bothered to translate it into the kind of English average people can understand.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    LibreOffice supporter
    John 14:6

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Thu Apr 17 09:00:52 2025
    On 2025-04-17 04:50, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-04-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-04-16 08:50, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-04-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 4/15/25 21:05, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 19:57:01 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought that >>>>>> was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only the Bible >>>>>> but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if our resident >>>>>> homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a chance of avoiding >>>>>> Hell.

    Are you talking about UbuntuCE? If you're looking for enlightenment out >>>>> of the box:

    https://www.bodhilinux.com/

    Bodhi Linux appears to be more of a minimalist philosophical statement >>>>> rather than any specific Buddhist content.

    Actually, I was referring to Xiphos which allows you to download your
    choice of Bible version from within the software.

    Apparently no Catholic Bible with the deuterocanonicals. I'm guessing their >>> notes are skewed against the Catholic Church. Hopefully they're not relying >>> on the Scofield Bible notes in any way.

    That is quite possible. I downloaded the New English Translation, but I
    have no idea whether it skews in one way or another. According to some
    experts I've read from, Bibles vary from one region to another with some
    having more chapters than others, but their meaning is essentially the
    same. Apparently, there are about forty differences in the wording used,
    but the meaning isn't altered in any way.

    I trust the Bible, but I don't trust the interpretations made by
    homosexuals or progressives.

    The deuterocanonicals are an important part of the Bible. They clearly pointed to Christ, which is why the Jews eventually threw them out, and Protestants followed their example.

    Here's an excerpt from Wisdom 2:12-20. This may help explain why the Jews rejected the deuterocanonicals (they were originally in the LXX or Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible).

    12. “Let us lie in wait for the righteous man, because he is inconvenient
    to us and opposes our actions; he reproaches us for sins against the law,
    and accuses us of sins against our training. 13. He professes to have
    knowledge of God, and calls himself a child of the Lord. 14. He became to
    us a reproof of our thoughts; 15. the very sight of him is a burden to us,
    because his manner of life is unlike that of others, and his ways are
    strange. 16. We are considered by him as something base, and he avoids our
    ways as unclean; he calls the last end of the righteous happy, and boasts
    that God is his father. 17. Let us see if his words are true, and let us
    test what will happen at the end of his life; 18. for if the righteous man
    is God’s son, he will help him and will deliver him from the hand of his
    adversaries. 19. Let us test him with insult and torture, that we may find
    out how gentle he is, and make trial of his forbearance. 20. Let us
    condemn him to a shameful death, for, according to what he says, he will
    be protected.”

    This was written centuries before Christ's death on the cross. There's also
    a lot about the Virgin Mary in the deuterocanonicals, as interpreted by Catholic saints.

    The fact that such a thing would be written centuries before Christ and
    that the events would unfold in almost exactly the same manner only
    confirms that Jesus was exactly the Messiah the Jews were waiting for.
    Their continued resistance to Him is ridiculous.

    Where would I be able to find the deuterocanonicals?

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    LibreOffice supporter
    John 14:6

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Thu Apr 17 13:56:26 2025
    On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-04-17 04:50, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-04-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-04-16 08:50, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-04-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 4/15/25 21:05, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 19:57:01 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought that >>>>>>> was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only the Bible
    but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if our resident >>>>>>> homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a chance of avoiding >>>>>>> Hell.

    Are you talking about UbuntuCE? If you're looking for enlightenment out >>>>>> of the box:

    https://www.bodhilinux.com/

    Bodhi Linux appears to be more of a minimalist philosophical statement >>>>>> rather than any specific Buddhist content.

    Actually, I was referring to Xiphos which allows you to download your >>>>> choice of Bible version from within the software.

    Apparently no Catholic Bible with the deuterocanonicals. I'm guessing their
    notes are skewed against the Catholic Church. Hopefully they're not relying
    on the Scofield Bible notes in any way.

    That is quite possible. I downloaded the New English Translation, but I
    have no idea whether it skews in one way or another. According to some
    experts I've read from, Bibles vary from one region to another with some >>> having more chapters than others, but their meaning is essentially the
    same. Apparently, there are about forty differences in the wording used, >>> but the meaning isn't altered in any way.

    I trust the Bible, but I don't trust the interpretations made by
    homosexuals or progressives.

    The deuterocanonicals are an important part of the Bible. They clearly
    pointed to Christ, which is why the Jews eventually threw them out, and
    Protestants followed their example.

    Here's an excerpt from Wisdom 2:12-20. This may help explain why the Jews
    rejected the deuterocanonicals (they were originally in the LXX or
    Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible).

    12. “Let us lie in wait for the righteous man, because he is inconvenient
    to us and opposes our actions; he reproaches us for sins against the law,
    and accuses us of sins against our training. 13. He professes to have
    knowledge of God, and calls himself a child of the Lord. 14. He became to
    us a reproof of our thoughts; 15. the very sight of him is a burden to us,
    because his manner of life is unlike that of others, and his ways are
    strange. 16. We are considered by him as something base, and he avoids our
    ways as unclean; he calls the last end of the righteous happy, and boasts
    that God is his father. 17. Let us see if his words are true, and let us >> test what will happen at the end of his life; 18. for if the righteous man
    is God’s son, he will help him and will deliver him from the hand of his
    adversaries. 19. Let us test him with insult and torture, that we may find
    out how gentle he is, and make trial of his forbearance. 20. Let us
    condemn him to a shameful death, for, according to what he says, he will >> be protected.”

    This was written centuries before Christ's death on the cross. There's also >> a lot about the Virgin Mary in the deuterocanonicals, as interpreted by
    Catholic saints.

    The fact that such a thing would be written centuries before Christ and
    that the events would unfold in almost exactly the same manner only
    confirms that Jesus was exactly the Messiah the Jews were waiting for.
    Their continued resistance to Him is ridiculous.

    Where would I be able to find the deuterocanonicals?


    Why do Americans use the term Judeo-Christian so much, and why do
    American Christians have such a hard on for Israel? You think they'd be
    a bit more sceptical of a people who SPECIFICALLY rejected Christ.

    Its like Linux supporters supporting Steve Ballmer...

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Thu Apr 17 13:58:38 2025
    On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-04-17 00:13, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 19:48:25 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    It's special because Linux holds this software in its repositories and
    allows you to install it with one command. Under Windows or MacOS, the
    software will only be installed if you search for it on the web and
    download it. The fact that it is so readily and easily available does
    indeed imply something special about Linux.

    Okay, let's suppose I never heard of xiphos, which is indeed the case, but >> I wanted to find bible study software for Linux.

    https://www.linuxlinks.com/biblesoftware/

    Back to searching. Perhaps I'm running Ubuntu with snap.

    https://snapcraft.io/store?q=bible+study

    8 hits, no xiphos. Or I'm on the Fedora box with flatpak.

    https://flathub.org/apps/search?q=bible+study

    9 results, and it even has xiphos.

    https://apps.microsoft.com/search?query=bible+study&hl=en-US&gl=US

    They don't give a count but I never knew there were so many video bible
    studies in the world, let alone the apps.

    To most people, the availability of such software won't sway them one
    way or another. For my part, I'm convinced that there is a spiritual awakening happening in society and that a lot of people looking to
    follow God will be convinced to migrate to Linux. The fact that it will
    then be easy for them to install software to study Scripture will only confirm their decision.


    Why do you think people wanting to follow God will be convinced to
    migrate to Linux? The two things seem unrelated to me, and I can't see
    how installing GNU/Linux follows from finding God. Wouldn't using
    TempleOS be more apropos?

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to Borax Man on Thu Apr 17 10:08:18 2025
    On 2025-04-17 09:56, Borax Man wrote:
    On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-04-17 04:50, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-04-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-04-16 08:50, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-04-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 4/15/25 21:05, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 19:57:01 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    I know that it probably won't interest most people, but I thought that >>>>>>>> was pretty cool. Knowing that a distribution provides not only the Bible
    but notes to help you study the content is neat. Maybe if our resident >>>>>>>> homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have a chance of avoiding >>>>>>>> Hell.

    Are you talking about UbuntuCE? If you're looking for enlightenment out
    of the box:

    https://www.bodhilinux.com/

    Bodhi Linux appears to be more of a minimalist philosophical statement >>>>>>> rather than any specific Buddhist content.

    Actually, I was referring to Xiphos which allows you to download your >>>>>> choice of Bible version from within the software.

    Apparently no Catholic Bible with the deuterocanonicals. I'm guessing their
    notes are skewed against the Catholic Church. Hopefully they're not relying
    on the Scofield Bible notes in any way.

    That is quite possible. I downloaded the New English Translation, but I >>>> have no idea whether it skews in one way or another. According to some >>>> experts I've read from, Bibles vary from one region to another with some >>>> having more chapters than others, but their meaning is essentially the >>>> same. Apparently, there are about forty differences in the wording used, >>>> but the meaning isn't altered in any way.

    I trust the Bible, but I don't trust the interpretations made by
    homosexuals or progressives.

    The deuterocanonicals are an important part of the Bible. They clearly
    pointed to Christ, which is why the Jews eventually threw them out, and
    Protestants followed their example.

    Here's an excerpt from Wisdom 2:12-20. This may help explain why the Jews >>> rejected the deuterocanonicals (they were originally in the LXX or
    Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible).

    12. “Let us lie in wait for the righteous man, because he is inconvenient
    to us and opposes our actions; he reproaches us for sins against the law,
    and accuses us of sins against our training. 13. He professes to have >>> knowledge of God, and calls himself a child of the Lord. 14. He became to
    us a reproof of our thoughts; 15. the very sight of him is a burden to us,
    because his manner of life is unlike that of others, and his ways are >>> strange. 16. We are considered by him as something base, and he avoids our
    ways as unclean; he calls the last end of the righteous happy, and boasts
    that God is his father. 17. Let us see if his words are true, and let us
    test what will happen at the end of his life; 18. for if the righteous man
    is God’s son, he will help him and will deliver him from the hand of his
    adversaries. 19. Let us test him with insult and torture, that we may find
    out how gentle he is, and make trial of his forbearance. 20. Let us >>> condemn him to a shameful death, for, according to what he says, he will
    be protected.”

    This was written centuries before Christ's death on the cross. There's also >>> a lot about the Virgin Mary in the deuterocanonicals, as interpreted by
    Catholic saints.

    The fact that such a thing would be written centuries before Christ and
    that the events would unfold in almost exactly the same manner only
    confirms that Jesus was exactly the Messiah the Jews were waiting for.
    Their continued resistance to Him is ridiculous.

    Where would I be able to find the deuterocanonicals?


    Why do Americans use the term Judeo-Christian so much, and why do
    American Christians have such a hard on for Israel?

    Because American values, whether they want to admit it or not, are
    similar to those of Jews. Nevertheless, I am not a fan of the term
    because I don't believe that Jews, practicing or not, have any respect
    for our religion. American Christians, for their part, seem to love
    Israel because they believe the government narrative that it is "the
    greatest ally in the Middle East." Again, I don't see it that way since
    they do little other than suck the American tit.

    You think they'd be
    a bit more sceptical of a people who SPECIFICALLY rejected Christ.

    Its like Linux supporters supporting Steve Ballmer...

    Agreed.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    LibreOffice supporter
    John 14:6

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to Borax Man on Thu Apr 17 10:11:12 2025
    On 2025-04-17 09:58, Borax Man wrote:
    On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2025-04-17 00:13, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 19:48:25 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    It's special because Linux holds this software in its repositories and >>>> allows you to install it with one command. Under Windows or MacOS, the >>>> software will only be installed if you search for it on the web and
    download it. The fact that it is so readily and easily available does
    indeed imply something special about Linux.

    Okay, let's suppose I never heard of xiphos, which is indeed the case, but >>> I wanted to find bible study software for Linux.

    https://www.linuxlinks.com/biblesoftware/

    Back to searching. Perhaps I'm running Ubuntu with snap.

    https://snapcraft.io/store?q=bible+study

    8 hits, no xiphos. Or I'm on the Fedora box with flatpak.

    https://flathub.org/apps/search?q=bible+study

    9 results, and it even has xiphos.

    https://apps.microsoft.com/search?query=bible+study&hl=en-US&gl=US

    They don't give a count but I never knew there were so many video bible
    studies in the world, let alone the apps.

    To most people, the availability of such software won't sway them one
    way or another. For my part, I'm convinced that there is a spiritual
    awakening happening in society and that a lot of people looking to
    follow God will be convinced to migrate to Linux. The fact that it will
    then be easy for them to install software to study Scripture will only
    confirm their decision.


    Why do you think people wanting to follow God will be convinced to
    migrate to Linux? The two things seem unrelated to me, and I can't see
    how installing GNU/Linux follows from finding God. Wouldn't using
    TempleOS be more apropos?

    I'm sure that some people actually did migrate over to TempleOS.
    Nevertheless, I think Linux is the more obvious choice because it
    effectively breaks all barriers between users. Every Linux user has the potential to contribute to the project and the equal potential to
    benefit from it. Everyone can play a role or choose not to, but everyone
    is an equal one way or another. That is not the case with proprietary
    software where you can be locked out of data because you can't afford
    the software to load the content or can't complete the project as well
    as your neighbour because you prefer to eat and pay your rent than pay a continuous monthly fee. It's the equality aspect that I, as a teacher,
    am very fond of. I don't believe in equity, but I do believe in equality.


    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    LibreOffice supporter
    John 14:6

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Thu Apr 17 14:30:38 2025
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 09:00:52 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    Where would I be able to find the deuterocanonicals?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterocanonical_books

    Some Protestant bibles will refer to them as Apocrypha, others omit them entirely. Part is political. For example Maccabees II refers to prayers
    for the dead which many Protestant denominations reject. Leave out what
    you don't like.

    Luther's first translation left out James, which he referred to as 'that epistle of straw'. The worth of faith without works went against his 'sola fides' doctrine.

    Similarly the 10 Commandments are parsed differently. Protestants wanted
    to come down heavy on the 'no graven images' since they did not appreciate religious art.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to vallor on Thu Apr 17 14:21:24 2025
    On 17 Apr 2025 11:35:51 GMT, vallor wrote:

    On 16 Apr 2025 11:09:55 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote in <m69hg3Fk9skU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 16 Apr 2025 06:00:58 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
    <m68vcpFn125U1@mid.individual.net>:


    https://launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ubuntu/ppa

    BTW, thought about adding this ppa -- just looked, and they have cmake
    in there. tsk, tsk -- why would they do that?

    Investigated this further. Couldn't add the ppa because it doesn't
    support Ubuntu Noble -- /plus/, it turns out Xiphos is already in Ubuntu Noble.

    So on Linux Mint 22.1, I just needed to sudo apt install xiphos.

    I didn't install it so I can't certifiy it works but on Ubuntu 24.10

    sudo apt install xiphos
    [sudo] password for rbowman:
    Installing:
    xiphos

    Installing dependencies:
    imagemagick libbiblesync1.1 libsword-common netpbm
    imagemagick-6.q16 libnetpbm11t64 libsword1.9.0t64 xiphos-data

    Suggested packages:
    imagemagick-6-doc ffmpeg hp2xx mplayer texlive-base-bin
    sword-text
    autotrace gnuplot html2ps povray transfig
    festival
    enscript grads libwmf-bin radiance libraw-bin

    Summary:
    Upgrading: 0, Installing: 9, Removing: 0, Not Upgrading: 8
    Download size: 8,239 kB
    Space needed: 23.3 MB / 320 GB available

    Continue? [Y/n]

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Thu Apr 17 14:16:51 2025
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 09:02:49 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    Out of curiosity, where you alive pre-Vatican II? I thought you were
    younger than that.

    I was a college sophomore when Vatican II concluded in 1965. A local
    church live streams the Mass and what I see there is terra incognita.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to rbowman on Thu Apr 17 12:20:41 2025
    On 2025-04-17 10:30, rbowman wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 09:00:52 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    Where would I be able to find the deuterocanonicals?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterocanonical_books

    Some Protestant bibles will refer to them as Apocrypha, others omit them entirely. Part is political. For example Maccabees II refers to prayers
    for the dead which many Protestant denominations reject. Leave out what
    you don't like.

    Luther's first translation left out James, which he referred to as 'that epistle of straw'. The worth of faith without works went against his 'sola fides' doctrine.

    Similarly the 10 Commandments are parsed differently. Protestants wanted
    to come down heavy on the 'no graven images' since they did not appreciate religious art.


    I'm the type of person who, when told not to look in a certain
    direction, will do nothing other than look in that direction. If there
    is a way to get the deutorocanonicals easily, I will be happy to read
    them all, especially considering the passage RonB cited.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    LibreOffice supporter
    John 14:6

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Thu Apr 17 19:17:59 2025
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 12:20:41 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:


    If there
    is a way to get the deutorocanonicals easily, I will be happy to read
    them all,


    Hey, stupid fuck. Did I not mention the "Apocrypha" in a previous
    post? Yes, I most certainly did.

    There is the answer to your dumb-fuck question.

    What an infernal idiot!

    But you missed it, just like you miss everything else except
    the clues to your own stupidity.


    --
    Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 17 19:26:42 2025
    Le 15-04-2025, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit :
    Maybe if our resident homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have
    a chance of avoiding Hell.

    Maybe, one day, you'll find out people don't choose to be homosexual or heterosexual. And, that day, maybe you'll become more christian than
    what you pretend to be. maybe you'll try to help people, like Jesus did, instead of trying to kill them, like only catholics, following money more
    than God, do.

    --
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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 17 17:36:49 2025
    On 4/17/25 15:26, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
    Le 15-04-2025, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit :
    Maybe if our resident homosexual gets acquainted with it, he will have
    a chance of avoiding Hell.

    Maybe, one day, you'll find out people don't choose to be homosexual or heterosexual

    It used to be that the person who sexually molested them as children did
    that for them, but nowadays, people are indeed choosing to be
    homosexuals. The number of homosexuals exploded with the woke movement.

    And, that day, maybe you'll become more christian than
    what you pretend to be. maybe you'll try to help people, like Jesus did, instead of trying to kill them, like only catholics, following money more than God, do.

    I have no interest in what you believe Christians are supposed to be like.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    LibreOffice supporter
    John 14:6

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Borax Man on Thu Apr 17 23:19:05 2025
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 13:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:

    Why do Americans use the term Judeo-Christian so much, and why do
    American Christians have such a hard on for Israel? You think they'd be
    a bit more sceptical of a people who SPECIFICALLY rejected Christ.

    Because AIPAC runs the narrative? Probably tl;dr but it's a complex
    answer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism

    The US is rather unique in people drifting away from mainstream churches
    into various denominations? with questionable theology that tend to be somewhere on the dispensationalist spectrum, rather than just drifting
    away like many Europeans.

    The condensed version is the Jews have to gather in Israel and rebuild the temple before the anti-christ appears to usher in the tribulation befor
    the rapture or something like that.

    Its like Linux supporters supporting Steve Ballmer...

    Full disclosure: I was raised Catholic before Vatican II. Tomorrow (Good Friday) there was a special prayer for the conversion of the Christ-
    killers before they burned in eternal hellfire. I think the kindler,
    gentler Church has toned it down if not eliminating it entirely.

    However the political aspects do play an important part and it's important
    to maintain proper thought at all times.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Borax Man on Thu Apr 17 23:25:28 2025
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 13:58:38 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:

    Why do you think people wanting to follow God will be convinced to
    migrate to Linux? The two things seem unrelated to me, and I can't see
    how installing GNU/Linux follows from finding God. Wouldn't using
    TempleOS be more apropos?

    Before this all drifted into theology that was my question. I don't see
    the connection. Perhaps I'm biased since most of the Linux users I know
    IRL hardly chose it for access to religious software, even the ones who
    were actually religious. Unfortunately those two are dead and I can't ask
    them.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 17 23:28:40 2025
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 08:13:43 -0700, % wrote:

    vallor wrote:
    On 16 Apr 2025 11:09:55 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote in
    <m69hg3Fk9skU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 16 Apr 2025 06:00:58 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
    <m68vcpFn125U1@mid.individual.net>:


    https://launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ubuntu/ppa

    BTW, thought about adding this ppa -- just looked, and they have cmake
    in there. tsk, tsk -- why would they do that?

    Investigated this further. Couldn't add the ppa because it doesn't
    support Ubuntu Noble -- /plus/, it turns out Xiphos is already in
    Ubuntu Noble.

    So on Linux Mint 22.1, I just needed to sudo apt install xiphos.

    that's not all you need

    Since xiphos is a C++ for the sword libraries it wants to pull in a lot of stuff including imagemagick. There's also

    Suggested packages:
    imagemagick-6-doc ffmpeg hp2xx mplayer texlive-base-bin
    sword-text
    autotrace gnuplot html2ps povray transfig
    festival
    enscript grads libwmf-bin radiance libraw-bin

    which makes me think that sooner or later you will wish you had them.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Fri Apr 18 00:11:42 2025
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 12:20:41 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    I'm the type of person who, when told not to look in a certain
    direction, will do nothing other than look in that direction. If there
    is a way to get the deutorocanonicals easily, I will be happy to read
    them all, especially considering the passage RonB cited.

    https://archive.org/details/thejerusalembible1966

    I have the hardcopy but I assume the odering is the same. There isn't
    exactly a red flag saying 'deuterocanonical' The OT is ordered into the Pentateuch, Historical Books, Wisdom Books, and the Prophets.

    Tobit, Judith, Esther, Maccabees I and II follow Ezra in Historical.
    Wisdom and *Ecclesiaticus follow The Song of Songs. (not Ecclesiastes
    which is before the Song of Songs) Baruch and Daniel are in Prophets,
    after Lamentations.

    The footnote says some editions may omit the books entirely, put them into Apocrypha, or in the case of Esther and Daniel, edit out parts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Bible

    *also called Sirach

    You can research why the Protestants used the Masoretic Text rather than
    the Septuagint. A fun fact is some quotations in the NT are from the Septuagint, not the Hebrew text. Another oddity is when the Psalms were translated into Greek (because most Jews couldn't read Hebrew any more)
    the ordering wasn't the same. The Jerusalem Bible (1966) uses the Hebrew numbering but in the Catholic bible when I was growing up 'The Lord is my shepherd' was Psalm 22, not 23, confusing the hell out of me.

    As far as I'm concerned the Catholic Church wrote the book, or at least
    the canon, in 382. Over 1000 years of tradition wasn't good enough for the 'reformers'. Good luck with your bible studies. There was a lot of sausage making going on. If Marcion had won the OT would be gone, and the NT would
    be Luke and some of Paul's epistles where he wasn't oo far off track.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 18 20:50:27 2025
    Le 17-04-2025, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :

    The US is rather unique in people drifting away from mainstream churches
    into various denominations? with questionable theology that tend to be somewhere on the dispensationalist spectrum, rather than just drifting
    away like many Europeans.

    American people shoot on tornadoes, believe the earth is flat and
    believe that vaccines are designed to kill people. So, it's not only
    about religion, it's about defying common sense: the more crap it is,
    the more number of believers they attract.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 19 00:24:58 2025
    On 18 Apr 2025 20:50:27 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Le 17-04-2025, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :

    The US is rather unique in people drifting away from mainstream
    churches into various denominations? with questionable theology that
    tend to be somewhere on the dispensationalist spectrum, rather than
    just drifting away like many Europeans.

    American people shoot on tornadoes, believe the earth is flat and
    believe that vaccines are designed to kill people. So, it's not only
    about religion, it's about defying common sense: the more crap it is,
    the more number of believers they attract.

    How many 'French' people believe that Mohamed is the prophet of God?

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