So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week <https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
Some conclusions I felt were questionable:
* “Changing desktop managers is too much work” -- he went to all the trouble of removing the packages for GNOME after installing KDE, when
he could have left them in place, so switching would have been just a
simple matter of logging out and logging in again.
* Preferring Chrome over Chromium -- he didn’t offer any reason why
he preferred the proprietary version, when the open-source one was in
the standard repos.
* OBS Studio: “There's a community version but no official version of
OBS for Linux.” What a load of nonsense.
* MS Office -- funny, but Microsoft lists Linux as one of the
officially supported platforms for Microsoft 365. Hasn’t he heard that it’s not “Office” any more?
* AutoHotKey -- he is really hung up over this. Why is he so attached
to such a clunky Windows tool, that is actually more fiddly to use
than a scriptable command line?
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week <https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
Some conclusions I felt were questionable:
* “Changing desktop managers is too much work” -- he went to all the trouble of removing the packages for GNOME after installing KDE, when
he could have left them in place, so switching would have been just a
simple matter of logging out and logging in again.
* Preferring Chrome over Chromium -- he didn’t offer any reason why
he preferred the proprietary version, when the open-source one was in
the standard repos.
* OBS Studio: “There's a community version but no official version of
OBS for Linux.” What a load of nonsense.
* MS Office -- funny, but Microsoft lists Linux as one of the
officially supported platforms for Microsoft 365. Hasn’t he heard that it’s not “Office” any more?
* AutoHotKey -- he is really hung up over this. Why is he so attached
to such a clunky Windows tool, that is actually more fiddly to use
than a scriptable command line?
I find it hilarious that he tried to run Photoshop Elements in Linux.
What is the point? You can easily try Krita or GIMP to get the same functionality without the hassle.
If your goal is to run Windows software, just run Windows.
Perhaps the OBS reference is to whether it is in the repo or not ?
On 2025-05-16 19:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
Some conclusions I felt were questionable:
* “Changing desktop managers is too much work” -- he went to all the
trouble of removing the packages for GNOME after installing KDE, when
he could have left them in place, so switching would have been just a
simple matter of logging out and logging in again.
* Preferring Chrome over Chromium -- he didn’t offer any reason why
he preferred the proprietary version, when the open-source one was in
the standard repos.
* OBS Studio: “There's a community version but no official version of
OBS for Linux.” What a load of nonsense.
* MS Office -- funny, but Microsoft lists Linux as one of the
officially supported platforms for Microsoft 365. Hasn’t he heard that
it’s not “Office” any more?
* AutoHotKey -- he is really hung up over this. Why is he so attached
to such a clunky Windows tool, that is actually more fiddly to use
than a scriptable command line?
I find it hilarious that he tried to run Photoshop Elements in Linux. What is the point? You can easily try Krita or GIMP to get the same functionality without the hassle. If your goal is to run Windows software, just run Windows.
The customer is always right.
* MS Office -- funny, but Microsoft lists Linux as one of the
officially supported platforms for Microsoft 365.
Hasn’t he heard that
it’s not “Office” any more?
So, the week stretched on a bit longer than a week ><https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
On Fri, 16 May 2025 22:24:18 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
I find it hilarious that he tried to run Photoshop Elements in Linux.
What is the point? You can easily try Krita or GIMP to get the same
functionality without the hassle.
He said he preferred the Adobe interface. As though that’s “intuitive” or
something ...
If your goal is to run Windows software, just run Windows.
There was a survey done of the VFX industry a few years ago. That was
already dominated by Linux desktops at that point, and the trend was for
that to grow. Seemed like hardly anybody wanted to use Adobe software.
On Fri, 5/16/2025 10:24 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-16 19:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
Some conclusions I felt were questionable:
* “Changing desktop managers is too much work” -- he went to all the >>> trouble of removing the packages for GNOME after installing KDE, when
he could have left them in place, so switching would have been just a
simple matter of logging out and logging in again.
* Preferring Chrome over Chromium -- he didn’t offer any reason why
he preferred the proprietary version, when the open-source one was in
the standard repos.
* OBS Studio: “There's a community version but no official version of
OBS for Linux.” What a load of nonsense.
* MS Office -- funny, but Microsoft lists Linux as one of the
officially supported platforms for Microsoft 365. Hasn’t he heard that >>> it’s not “Office” any more?
* AutoHotKey -- he is really hung up over this. Why is he so attached
to such a clunky Windows tool, that is actually more fiddly to use
than a scriptable command line?
I find it hilarious that he tried to run Photoshop Elements in Linux. What is the point? You can easily try Krita or GIMP to get the same functionality without the hassle. If your goal is to run Windows software, just run Windows.
The customer is always right.
Whatever the customer wants to do, must be the right thing for them.
The concept is "continuity". The idea is, this is the
Year Of The Linux Desktop, and we want to crush the competition
with our seamless compatibility. Just as Microsoft tried to put
a translator on the Qualcomm ARM laptops, so win32 could run
without a fuss. Apple does stuff like this too.
WINE has made great strides over the years. Things I figured would
never run, they run today. I think some distros are better configured
for this purpose than others. and it's quite possible the distros
I've been using "just don't get it". The WINE is always a mess,
and all it needs is a bit of loving care to bring out the best in it.
The user shouldn't have to play whack a mole, to get it set up.
As I understand it, there are some gamer environments where it is ready-to-go.
The poster here is using PlayOnLinux.
https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-elements-discussions/photoshop-elements-15-under-linux-with-wine-welcome-screen-problem/td-p/11542591
Oct 26, 2020
Mint 20 Linux system using PlayOnLinux and version 5.19 (Staging) of WINE
I work remotely on
the Windows VM. Most of the time with Remmina-RDP on ChromeOS,
The customer is always right.
Whatever the customer wants to do, must be the right thing for them.
The concept is "continuity".
The idea is, this is the
Year Of The Linux Desktop, and we want to crush the competition
with our seamless compatibility.
On Sat, 17 May 2025 12:33:47 +0200, Michael Logies
<logies@t-online.de> wrote:
I work remotely on
the Windows VM. Most of the time with Remmina-RDP on ChromeOS,
Of course via VPN for security (Wireguard on a German router
(Fritzbox)). A client for Wireguard is integrated in ChromeOS, which
makes setup easy.
He prefers the Adobe interface for the same reason I prefer
LibreOffice's: it's familiar. If you grew up with 90s software, it's
only normal that interfaces from the 90s would still appeal to you. The
fact that he wasn't even open to doing things slightly differently is telling. This is a case of "Linux has to adapt to me, not me to it."
What's a Windows power user again ?
Microsoft Office 2024 is available for a one-time purchase. It is not supported on Linux.
On Sat, 17 May 2025 06:47:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oublespeak wrote:
Microsoft Office 2024 is available for a one-time purchase. It is not
supported on Linux.
Speaking of which I read this week that Microsoft is using React Native
for parts of Office. VS Code is done with Electron. Funny how Microsoft seldom eats their own dog food. I wonder what Windows 365 uses?
On Sat, 17 May 2025 08:39:14 -0400, Paul wrote:
What's a Windows power user again ?
Other than the meaningless phrase there was a group that had slightly more permissions than a User but that went away a long time ago. A Windows User
is lucky if they can turn the machine on and is meant for corporate peons. You have to be an Administrator to do much of anything.
On Sat, 5/17/2025 1:36 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2025 06:47:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oublespeak wrote:
Microsoft Office 2024 is available for a one-time purchase. It is not
supported on Linux.
Speaking of which I read this week that Microsoft is using React Native
for parts of Office. VS Code is done with Electron. Funny how Microsoft
seldom eats their own dog food. I wonder what Windows 365 uses?
Microsoft laid off 3% of staff this week.
https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/microsoft-layoffs-hit-bay-area-staff-20330085.php
The staff have "CODEX and The Vibes" on their mind
(that's a musical group).
https://soundcloud.com/codex-vibes
Paul
* Preferring Chrome over Chromium -- he didn’t offer any reason why
he preferred the proprietary version, when the open-source one was in
the standard repos.
Chromium is snap only pakcage without any control over its sandbox.
"Google Office" (Google Workspace, even the free version) easily
replaces Microsoft Office ...
You have to be TrustedInstaller to do much of anything.
That's why malware runs as TrustedInstaller.
On Sat, 17 May 2025 12:33:47 +0200, Michael Logies wrote:
"Google Office" (Google Workspace, even the free version) easily
replaces Microsoft Office ...
Yes, but it’s not “Microsoft Office” any more, is it: it’s now the cloud-
based “Microsoft 365”, which is officially supported on Linux, if you really want.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 01:38:53 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
Chromium is snap only pakcage without any control over its sandbox.
Not on Debian and derivatives, it isn’t: it’s a package in the standard repo.
Lucky for me almost everything I use is the same on Windows and Linux.
W dniu 18.05.2025 o 02:05, Lawrence D'Oliveiro pisze:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 01:38:53 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
Chromium is snap only pakcage without any control over its sandbox.
Not on Debian and derivatives, it isn’t: it’s a package in the standard >> repo.
At my Kubuntu 20.04 I have this info:
Standalone Office is just “legacy” these days, let’s face it.
As for Access users, LibreOffice Base gives access to back-end DBMSes
ranging from SQLite to MySQL/MariaDB, any one of which can leave Access
in the dust.
On 2025-05-17 5:07 p.m., Paul wrote:
On Sat, 5/17/2025 1:36 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2025 06:47:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oublespeak wrote:Microsoft laid off 3% of staff this week.
Microsoft Office 2024 is available for a one-time purchase. It is not
supported on Linux.
Speaking of which I read this week that Microsoft is using React
Native for parts of Office. VS Code is done with Electron. Funny how
Microsoft seldom eats their own dog food. I wonder what Windows 365
uses?
https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/microsoft-layoffs-hit-bay-area- staff-20330085.php
The staff have "CODEX and The Vibes" on their mind (that's a musical
group).
https://soundcloud.com/codex-vibes
Paul
They seem to be constantly doing that. It doesn't matter how rich or profitable a company gets, people are always expendable.
rbowman wrote:
Lucky for me almost everything I use is the same on Windows and Linux.
That so much software supports Linux, as well the "big two" commercial
OS's, is a wonderful thing.
Freedom to the people!
W dniu 18.05.2025 o 02:05, Lawrence D'Oliveiro pisze:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 01:38:53 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
Chromium is snap only pakcage without any control over its sandbox.
Not on Debian and derivatives, it isn’t: it’s a package in the standard >> repo.
At my Kubuntu 20.04 I have this info:
$ apt info chromium-browser -a
Package: chromium-browser
Version: 1:85.0.4183.83-0ubuntu0.20.04.3
Priority: optional
Section: universe/web
Origin: Ubuntu
Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
Installed-Size: 165 kB
Provides: gnome-www-browser, www-browser, x-www-browser
Pre-Depends: debconf, snapd
Depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0
Homepage: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/
Download-Size: 48,5 kB
APT-Sources: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-updates/universe amd64 Packages
Description: Transitional package - chromium-browser -> chromium snap
Jest to przejściowy pakiet atrapa. Może być bezpiecznie usunięty.
.
chromium-browser is now replaced by the chromium snap.
Package: chromium-browser
Version: 80.0.3987.163-0ubuntu1
Priority: optional
Section: universe/web
Origin: Ubuntu
Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
Installed-Size: 164 kB
Provides: www-browser
Pre-Depends: debconf, snapd
Depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0
Homepage: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/
Download-Size: 48,3 kB
APT-Sources: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/universe amd64 Packages Description: Transitional package - chromium-browser -> chromium snap
Jest to przejściowy pakiet atrapa. Może być bezpiecznie usunięty.
.
chromium-browser is now replaced by the chromium snap.
For your convenience:
$ trans pl:en 'Jest to przejściowy pakiet atrapa. Może być bezpiecznie usunięty.'
Jest to przejściowy pakiet atrapa. Może być bezpiecznie usunięty.
This is a temporary dummy package. It can be safely removed.
Note also this:
$ sudo apt install chromium-browser
Czytanie list pakietów... Gotowe
Budowanie drzewa zależności
Odczyt informacji o stanie... Gotowe
The following additional packages will be installed:
snapd
Zostaną zainstalowane następujące NOWE pakiety:
chromium-browser snapd
0 aktualizowanych, 2 nowo instalowanych, 0 usuwanych i 89 nieaktualizowanych. Konieczne pobranie 26,2 MB archiwów.
Po tej operacji zostanie dodatkowo użyte 110 MB miejsca na dysku. Kontynuować? [T/n]
So on my Kubuntu 20.04 it want to install Chromium from snap.
Paul wrote:
You have to be TrustedInstaller to do much of anything.
That's why malware runs as TrustedInstaller.
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
Nothing lasts forever in this world.
apt info chromium-browser
apt info chromium
One of them is SNAP, one is .deb .
On Sun, 18 May 2025 01:21:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Standalone Office is just “legacy” these days, let’s face it.
As for Access users, LibreOffice Base gives access to back-end DBMSes
ranging from SQLite to MySQL/MariaDB, any one of which can leave Access
in the dust.
I doubt it is the database as much as the apps built around it. I had to
get employee information from a Access database but it was straight SQL programming. However a ranger at another national park built an entire incident handling application using Access. I was impressed or horrified, take your pick. Winters get real long at that particular park.
CrudeSausage wrote:
It doesn't matter how rich or
profitable a company gets, people are always expendable.
What's interesting is who is expendable.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/microsofts_axe_software_developers/
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/microsofts_axe_software_developers/
Scary time to be a young software developer. How do they compete with
a computer?
Nothing lasts forever in this world.
Will that always be true?
On Sun, 18 May 2025 06:47:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote :
Nothing lasts forever in this world.
Will that always be true?
The laws of physics, particularly the second law of thermodynamics,
dictate that systems tend towards increased entropy (disorder); however
some truths (e.g., 2+2=4) are considered eternal and unchanging,
existing independently of the physical world.
Paul wrote:
You have to be TrustedInstaller to do much of anything.
That's why malware runs as TrustedInstaller.
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
At other places, they have tried filling a few of the USB ports with
epoxy. But it's pretty hard to do that to a computer, after the fact. If
the manufacturer offers a "security" version of a machine, they can
de-pop the connectors they don't want the staff to use. Or, fit a
connector which is a "blank" and has no electrical contacts in it.
On 2025-05-18 04:33, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 01:21:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Standalone Office is just “legacy” these days, let’s face it.
As for Access users, LibreOffice Base gives access to back-end DBMSes
ranging from SQLite to MySQL/MariaDB, any one of which can leave
Access in the dust.
I doubt it is the database as much as the apps built around it. I had
to get employee information from a Access database but it was straight
SQL programming. However a ranger at another national park built an
entire incident handling application using Access. I was impressed or
horrified,
take your pick. Winters get real long at that particular park.
MS Access makes it easy to create databases and the applications, more
than LO Base. LO has neglected that aspect, I'm sorry to say.
rbowman wrote:microsofts_axe_software_developers/
CrudeSausage wrote:
It doesn't matter how rich or profitable a company gets, people are
always expendable.
What's interesting is who is expendable.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/
Scary time to be a young software developer. How do they compete with a computer?
On Sun, 18 May 2025 06:47:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote :
Nothing lasts forever in this world.
Will that always be true?
The laws of physics, particularly the second law of thermodynamics, dictate that systems tend towards increased entropy (disorder); however some truths (e.g., 2+2=4) are considered eternal and unchanging, existing independently of the physical world.
W dniu 18.05.2025 o 06:48, Paul pisze:
apt info chromium-browser apt info chromium
One of them is SNAP, one is .deb .
That seems to be true in the past. For now on my Kubuntu 20.04 I have:
Paul wrote:
You have to be TrustedInstaller to do much of anything.
That's why malware runs as TrustedInstaller.
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
Nothing lasts forever in this world.
Will that always be true?
The laws of physics, particularly the second law of thermodynamics, dictate >> that systems tend towards increased entropy (disorder); however some truths >> (e.g., 2+2=4) are considered eternal and unchanging, existing independently >> of the physical world.
Physicists tend to disagree on things, as that's where job security comes from :-)
"A fresh theory every day, or your money refunded".
I think we could agree on some "properties" we observed at local distances. It's a stretch to say we know what is at the "edge" of the Universe.
But I'm flying out there next week, and I'll check.
Any USB stick in the company I work at is immedately encrypted upon insertion.
MS Access makes it easy to create databases and the applications, more
than LO Base. LO has neglected that aspect, I'm sorry to say.
On Sat, 17 May 2025 20:04:15 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-17 5:07 p.m., Paul wrote:staff-20330085.php
On Sat, 5/17/2025 1:36 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2025 06:47:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oublespeak wrote: >>>>Microsoft laid off 3% of staff this week.
Microsoft Office 2024 is available for a one-time purchase. It is not >>>>> supported on Linux.
Speaking of which I read this week that Microsoft is using React
Native for parts of Office. VS Code is done with Electron. Funny how
Microsoft seldom eats their own dog food. I wonder what Windows 365
uses?
https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/microsoft-layoffs-hit-bay-area-
The staff have "CODEX and The Vibes" on their mind (that's a musical
group).
https://soundcloud.com/codex-vibes
Paul
They seem to be constantly doing that. It doesn't matter how rich or
profitable a company gets, people are always expendable.
What's interesting is who is expendable.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/microsofts_axe_software_developers/<
On Sun, 18 May 2025 00:48:33 -0400, Paul wrote:
Nothing lasts forever in this world.
Will that always be true?
rbowman wrote:
CrudeSausage wrote:
It doesn't matter how rich or
profitable a company gets, people are always expendable.
What's interesting is who is expendable.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/microsofts_axe_software_developers/
Scary time to be a young software developer. How do they compete with
a computer?
Nothing lasts forever in this world.
Will that always be true?
The laws of physics, particularly the second law of thermodynamics,
dictate that systems tend towards increased entropy (disorder); however
some truths (e.g., 2+2=4) are considered eternal and unchanging,
existing independently of the physical world.
Would they exist independent of homo sapiens? Where does the metaphysical world exist?
Physics exists outside of humans as does the exactitude of math such
that, for the earth's massenergy, 4D spacetime inrushes at 11km/sec
which exactly counteracts the outward expanding 9.8m/s/s electrostatic molecular forces.
microsofts_axe_software_developers/<What's interesting is who is expendable.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/
And I get the impression that it doesn't matter how experienced or
educated you are either.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 11:41:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
MS Access makes it easy to create databases and the applications, more
than LO Base. LO has neglected that aspect, I'm sorry to say.
Maybe you didn’t notice that LibreOffice supports the use of more
advanced application programming than Visual Basic can offer -- namely, Python.
Physicists tend to disagree on things, as that's where job security
comes from
They don't. Like I constantly tell my wife, I made the right decision in
not pursuing tech as a career. Theoretically, AI can replace teachers
since they can adapt to each user and allow them to learn at their own
pace. However, AI won't be there to make sure that a person stays
focused on their studies rather than throwing a ball around or
masturbating, so teachers are likely to be useful for the foreseeable
future. Once they program enough T-1000s to punish the kids for not
taking their studies seriously though, we're doomed.
On May 17, 2025 at 8:38:31 PM EDT, "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Paul wrote:
You have to be TrustedInstaller to do much of anything.
That's why malware runs as TrustedInstaller.
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
For what? USB sticks are a security nightmare. Why aren't you using the company network?
Everything we "think" we know... is wrong.
On 2025-05-17 10:18 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2025 20:04:15 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-17 5:07 p.m., Paul wrote:staff-20330085.php
On Sat, 5/17/2025 1:36 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2025 06:47:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oublespeak wrote: >>>>>Microsoft laid off 3% of staff this week.
Microsoft Office 2024 is available for a one-time purchase. It is not >>>>>> supported on Linux.
Speaking of which I read this week that Microsoft is using React
Native for parts of Office. VS Code is done with Electron. Funny how >>>>> Microsoft seldom eats their own dog food. I wonder what Windows 365
uses?
https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/microsoft-layoffs-hit-bay-area-
The staff have "CODEX and The Vibes" on their mind (that's a musical
group).
https://soundcloud.com/codex-vibes
Paul
They seem to be constantly doing that. It doesn't matter how rich or
profitable a company gets, people are always expendable.
What's interesting is who is expendable.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/microsofts_axe_software_developers/<
And I get the impression that it doesn't matter how experienced or educated you are either.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 16:03:50 -0400, Paul wrote:
Physicists tend to disagree on things, as that's where job security
comes from
And each new generation has to disagree with the previous one or they
might as well apply for a job at Starbucks. Sometimes that disagreement
means digging up old bones and thinking they have a nice, fresh, meaty
meal.
Physics exists outside of humans as does the exactitude of math such
that, for the earth's massenergy, 4D spacetime inrushes at 11km/sec
which exactly counteracts the outward expanding 9.8m/s/s electrostatic
molecular forces.
Does it? Or is it a post hoc explanation? Starting at the most basic level the rationality so prized by humans is an epiphenomenon, a fairy tale by triggered neurons to explain what the wetware already did.
Everything we "think" we know... is wrong.
Is that what you think you know?
However, if our rationality is just an epiphenomenon, how can we be
confident in our perception of any external truths?
On Mon, 19 May 2025 01:58:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote :
Everything we "think" we know... is wrong.
Is that what you think you know?
Perhaps the only thing we can truly know is that we know nothing...
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week <https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
Perhaps the only thing we can truly know is that we know nothing...
or is that just another thing we think we know?
rbowman wrote:
CrudeSausage wrote:
It doesn't matter how rich or
profitable a company gets, people are always expendable.
What's interesting is who is expendable.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/microsofts_axe_software_developers/
Scary time to be a young software developer. How do they compete with
a computer?
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 11:41:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-18 04:33, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 01:21:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Standalone Office is just “legacy” these days, let’s face it.
As for Access users, LibreOffice Base gives access to back-end DBMSes
ranging from SQLite to MySQL/MariaDB, any one of which can leave
Access in the dust.
I doubt it is the database as much as the apps built around it. I had
to get employee information from a Access database but it was straight
SQL programming. However a ranger at another national park built an
entire incident handling application using Access. I was impressed or
horrified,
take your pick. Winters get real long at that particular park.
MS Access makes it easy to create databases and the applications, more
than LO Base. LO has neglected that aspect, I'm sorry to say.
I've only extracted data from either but I wonder how much Visual Foxpro
DNA found its way into the Access world? After MS bought Fox Foxpro had
quite a long run alongside Access. Th Fox probably died as open source
xBase approaches became available.
The Access site says:
"Create and share apps without being a developer
Build business apps from templates or from scratch. With rich and
intuitive design tools, Access helps you create appealing and highly functional apps in a minimal amount of time."
While there are templates and other tools I don't think they ever made
that claim about SQL Server. SSMS is powerful but doesn't lend itself to independent apps. Likewise Power BI is great for visualization but not management or creation.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 11:41:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
MS Access makes it easy to create databases and the applications, more
than LO Base. LO has neglected that aspect, I'm sorry to say.
Maybe you didn’t notice that LibreOffice supports the use of more advanced application programming than Visual Basic can offer -- namely, Python.
On Fri, 16 May 2025 23:36:19 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
I could never give up Winblows unless I wanted to give up on-line banking
and shopping.
A lot of web sites seem to discriminate against GNU/Linux browsers. Connections
are not possible unless one uses Winblows.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 18:59:05 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
They don't. Like I constantly tell my wife, I made the right decision in
not pursuing tech as a career. Theoretically, AI can replace teachers
since they can adapt to each user and allow them to learn at their own
pace. However, AI won't be there to make sure that a person stays
focused on their studies rather than throwing a ball around or
masturbating, so teachers are likely to be useful for the foreseeable
future. Once they program enough T-1000s to punish the kids for not
taking their studies seriously though, we're doomed.
Shock collars... They will also accustom the kids to a lifetime of
wearing ankle monitors.
On 2025-05-19 12:02, Farley Flud wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 23:36:19 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
I could never give up Winblows unless I wanted to give up on-line banking
and shopping.
A lot of web sites seem to discriminate against GNU/Linux browsers.
Connections
are not possible unless one uses Winblows.
I use Linux every day and I don't have that problem. I was just at my
bank a few minutes ago.
Everything we "think" we know... is wrong.
Is that what you think you know?
Perhaps the only thing we can truly know is that we know nothing...
Speak for yourself.
However, if our rationality is just an epiphenomenon, how can we be
confident in our perception of any external truths?
How does the justification for that question follow from the assumption?
Perhaps the only thing we can truly know is that we know nothing...
or is that just another thing we think we know?
Quantum mechanics gave humans the first inkling that the human brain/mind cannot
comprehend ultimate reality.
Some still attempt to rationalize quantum theory but the wise folks don't bother and just use it as a (supremely accurate) calculation tool.
When you make them out of cardboard boxes,
they're "really easy on gas".
On 2025-05-19 12:02, Farley Flud wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 23:36:19 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, the ?week? stretched on a bit longer than a week
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
I could never give up Winblows unless I wanted to give up on-line
banking and shopping.
A lot of web sites seem to discriminate against GNU/Linux browsers. Connections are not possible unless one uses Winblows.
I use Linux every day and I don't have that problem. I was just at my
bank a few minutes ago.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 10:07:19 +0000, Farley Flud wrote :
Perhaps the only thing we can truly know is that we know nothing...Quantum mechanics gave humans the first inkling that the human
or is that just another thing we think we know?
brain/mind cannot comprehend ultimate reality.
Some still attempt to rationalize quantum theory but the wise folks
don't bother and just use it as a (supremely accurate) calculation
tool.
Ah, a fellow traveler down the rabbit hole of quantum weirdness who
realizes the limits of a monkey brain - which is - after all - us.
An example is they think premium gas is better... when it's actually
worse.
Just because they charge more for it. People think it "must" be better.
The assertion that physics and math exist 'outside of humans' is a long-standing debate (Platonism vs. nominalism, for example).
On Fri, 16 May 2025 23:36:19 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a weekI could never give up Winblows unless I wanted to give up on-line
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
banking and shopping.
A lot of web sites seem to discriminate against GNU/Linux browsers. Connections are not possible unless one uses Winblows.
A lot of web sites seem to discriminate against GNU/Linux browsers.
Connections are not possible unless one uses Winblows.
That turns out not to be the case.
I use a Linux desktop as my "daily driver", and there's only
one reason that I "need" to bring up the Windows 11 Pro for Workstations virtual machine: reading a particular book on Kindle, which can't
be read with the Kindle web site.
Free hint, dumbass, that's not discriminating against Linux browsers,
it's because your Linux browser is too primitive. Using a modern Linux browser, I have no troubles with this.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:15:07 -0400, Joel wrote:
Free hint, dumbass, that's not discriminating against Linux browsers,
it's because your Linux browser is too primitive. Using a modern Linux
browser, I have no troubles with this.
Can you access Amazon Music with your browser?
It's certainly humbling to consider that our evolved wetware, honed for navigating the macroscopic savanna, might be fundamentally ill-equipped to grasp the true nature of reality at its most fundamental level. We're
simply monkey brained hominids after all. We evolved to survive. Not to comprehend the weirdness of the universe.
So, while we may not comprehend ultimate reality, the fact that quantum mechanics allows us to make predictions with such astonishing accuracy suggests that we've at least stumbled upon some remarkably reliable rules
of the game, even if the rulebook remains written in a language our brains can't fully parse.
The fact that Gravity isn't a force means we need to understand what
gravity is, which, in Einstein's mind, was due to the curvature of
spacetime, a concept that feels as intuitive to our "monkey-brained
hominids" as, well, quantum superposition.
Perhaps the only thing we can truly know is that we know nothing...Quantum mechanics gave humans the first inkling that the human
or is that just another thing we think we know?
brain/mind cannot comprehend ultimate reality.
Some still attempt to rationalize quantum theory but the wise folks
don't bother and just use it as a (supremely accurate) calculation
tool.
Ah, a fellow traveler down the rabbit hole of quantum weirdness who
realizes the limits of a monkey brain - which is - after all - us.
The problem is as you try to explain the limits you wind up with Zen. Nietzsche tried to make the leap when he described our world as an
artistic rendering of reality. Korzybski took a pass at it with 'the map
is not the territory'.
Tools are an extension of our physical being that enable us to transcend
our physical limitations.
And our mental/intellectual limitations are extended through mathematics.
To further quantum theory we need to probe deeper
into the heart of matter and that will require more advanced technology.
Our society currently does not have the technical means, nor the collective will, to reach that end and may never will.
Einstein was able to discover his final solution only through mathematics,
in particular the mathematics of differential geometry (DG). If DG
had not been developed by Einstein's time then no progress could have
been made. Again, this illustrates the idea that mathematics is a tool
to transcend our intellectual limitations.
Tools allow us feeble "monkey-brained" individuals to express great strength, speed, etc., and the tools of mathematics allow us to express great insight into higher-dimensional and "curved" spaces.
Mathematics will continue to develop and possibly extend our mental
vistas even higher.
But if mathematics will ever be enough to disclose ultimate reality
is a question for generations of the distant future -- if we can persist
that long as a species.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 06:37:17 -0500, chrisv wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/microsofts_axe_software_develop >>>ers/
Scary time to be a young software developer. How do they compete
with a computer?
The correct term is "code monkey" and not "developer."
Code monkeys are described as such because that is what they are.
They have no true insight into the programming process and hence
they can be replaced easily by AI lookups.
However REAL PROGRAMMING can never be replaced.
As an example of REAL PROGRAMMING consider the case of fingerprint identification. In the past, human fingerprints were stored on paper
cards and then manually, and laboriously, searched.
Digitization and computer searching would be vastly more expedient
but how could this be done?
Even if AI had existed back then it would have been useless. There
were no prior solutions to "look up." The problem must be solved "de
novo."
Thus, it's time to bring in the REAL PROGRAMMERS. They will create
the necessary new solutions.
Audio fingerprinting is another example and there are many others.
AI is only a grandiose "look up" engine. It can easily replace human
"looker uppers," like code monkeys, but it cannot replace creativity
which is the province of the REAL PROGRAMMER.
Tyrone wrote:
chrisv wrote:
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
For what? USB sticks are a security nightmare. Why aren't you using the >>company network?
Not all of the machines are on the company network.
chrisv wrote:
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
For what? USB sticks are a security nightmare. Why aren't you using the >company network?
It's certainly humbling to consider that our evolved wetware, honed for navigating the macroscopic savanna, might be fundamentally ill-equipped
to grasp the true nature of reality at its most fundamental level.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 07:55:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote :
However, if our rationality is just an epiphenomenon, how can we be
confident in our perception of any external truths?
How does the justification for that question follow from the
assumption?
Yikes! The classic self-referential paradox indeed!
On 19 May 2025 18:26:54 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <m91bfeF2llU4@mid.individual.net>:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:15:07 -0400, Joel wrote:
Free hint, dumbass, that's not discriminating against Linux browsers,
it's because your Linux browser is too primitive. Using a modern
Linux browser, I have no troubles with this.
Can you access Amazon Music with your browser?
Funny you should say that, I'm listening on music.amazon.com right now.
$ google-chrome --version Google Chrome 136.0.7103.113
I use a Linux desktop as my "daily driver", and there's only one reason
that I "need" to bring up the Windows 11 Pro for Workstations virtual machine: reading a particular book on Kindle, which can't be read with
the Kindle web site.
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Free hint, dumbass, that's not discriminating against Linux browsers,
it's because your Linux browser is too primitive. Using a modern
Linux browser, I have no troubles with this.
Can you access Amazon Music with your browser?
Pretty sure I have done that, but the level of access granted with the
basic Prime subscription is sub-par, rather than paying extra for full access, I subscribed to TIDAL, which has losslessly-compressed streams,
more worth paying for than Amazon and Spotify.
However, if our rationality is just an epiphenomenon, how can we be
confident in our perception of any external truths?
How does the justification for that question follow from the
assumption?
Yikes! The classic self-referential paradox indeed!
Argument by reductio ad absurdum, in fact. A great way to prove that there
is something wrong with your argument.
People believe that premium gas is better simply because it costs more.
On 2025-05-19 00:54, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 11:41:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
MS Access makes it easy to create databases and the applications, more
than LO Base. LO has neglected that aspect, I'm sorry to say.
Maybe you didn’t notice that LibreOffice supports the use of more
advanced application programming than Visual Basic can offer -- namely,
Python.
Precisely my point.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:15:07 -0400, Joel wrote:
Free hint, dumbass, that's not discriminating against Linux browsers,
it's because your Linux browser is too primitive. Using a modern Linux
browser, I have no troubles with this.
Can you access Amazon Music with your browser?
On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:49:54 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-19 00:54, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 11:41:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
MS Access makes it easy to create databases and the applications, more >>>> than LO Base. LO has neglected that aspect, I'm sorry to say.
Maybe you didn’t notice that LibreOffice supports the use of more
advanced application programming than Visual Basic can offer -- namely,
Python.
Precisely my point.
You don’t like that it allows for more advanced ways of creating applications than Microsoft Office/365 can support?
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-19 12:02, Farley Flud wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 23:36:19 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, the ?week? stretched on a bit longer than a week
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
I could never give up Winblows unless I wanted to give up on-line
banking and shopping.
A lot of web sites seem to discriminate against GNU/Linux browsers.
Connections are not possible unless one uses Winblows.
I use Linux every day and I don't have that problem. I was just at my
bank a few minutes ago.
Exactly. Except if one is using a browser with a very small 'market share', any browser which has a substantial market share on Windows
or/and macOS, should be supported by all banks and webshops.
So this would include at least Chrome, Edge and Firefox, which are all available on Linux.
FWIW, I don't use Linux (because it doesn't run the software I
have/need), but this issue would not be a limitation, if I would ever
want to switch to Linux (or macOS or ChromeOS for that matter).
I suggest that you trywww.kroger.com and attempt to order a grocery
delivery using a GNU/Linux browser. For me, both Firefox and Iron
(chromium based) will fail.
Where's the math that describes WHY and HOW (not just how fast) the river
of spacetime flows inward toward mass-energy?
What I'd love to be able to understand is WHY/HOW spacetime rushes inward toward mass-energy. What is the mechanism? I'd love to discover that!
Mathematical tools will likely (I predict) be able to answer that in the future - but I don't possess anywhere near the skills to be the one who solves that fundamental problem.
Mathematics will continue to develop and possibly extend our mental
vistas even higher.
We're flatlanders. And we don't even realize it. All our tools are missing fundamental dimensions - much like Euclid was missing the spacetime metric.
But if mathematics will ever be enough to disclose ultimate reality
is a question for generations of the distant future -- if we can persist
that long as a species.
I agree and I just want to make the point which you seem to already be
aware of, which is that we "think" we know a lot and yet almost everything
we think we know is almost certainly wrong.
Tyrone wrote:
chrisv wrote:
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
For what? USB sticks are a security nightmare. Why aren't you using the >>company network?
Not all of the machines are on the company network.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 02:45:15 -0400, Paul wrote :
When you make them out of cardboard boxes,
they're "really easy on gas".
This underscores my main point that we're bombarded with falsehoods, such
as an electric vehicle doesn't pollute - when - in fact - arguably -
electric vehicles pollute something like twice as much as ICE vehicles do.
Nothing wrong with electric vehicles polluting more than ICE vehicles, but there is something wrong with people not realizing everything they "think" they know, came from Marketing slogans, such that they're always wrong.
Worse, in California, it's law that soon we can *only* purchase vehicles
that pollute more than ICE vehicles - simply for the sake of a platform.
On 2025-05-19, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Tyrone wrote:In most large data centers people entering with a laptp/tablet need to provide evidence of a
chrisv wrote:
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
For what? USB sticks are a security nightmare. Why aren't you using the >>> company network?
Not all of the machines are on the company network.
current version of malware software and a recent scan showing no issues.
No proof, no entrance.
Additionally any media, like USB keys, are scanned by the security team
and are to be either left in the data center or surrendered to security
for destruction. Walk out with one in your pocket and you are in serious trouble.
The slang is "roaches check in but the don't check out".
On Tue, 20 May 2025 00:11:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote :
However, if our rationality is just an epiphenomenon, how can we be
confident in our perception of any external truths?
How does the justification for that question follow from the
assumption?
Yikes! The classic self-referential paradox indeed!
Argument by reductio ad absurdum, in fact. A great way to prove that there >> is something wrong with your argument.
The main proof of my argument is that "they" spend BILLIONS of dollars in advertising things like Apple's "reliability" when, in fact, iOS is the
least secure, least updated, and the most exploited phone in history.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
Advertising works.
Even as it's often baseless propaganda (in the case of Apple's marketing).
People believe that the solution to murder is to hide the sticks.
They're told to believe that.
People believe that premium gas is better simply because it costs more.
In California, people believe an electric car, which pollutes twice as much as ICE vehicles (cradle to grave) is "pollution free".
Even the fact that we think cow's "milk is natural" (for adults) is based simply on a BILLION DOLLAR propaganda campaign.
Propaganda works.
Because the vast majority of people are incredible stupid.
Yet, everything they think they know... is wrong.
Like Gravity being a force (when it's clearly not a force).
My estimate is only one out of million people has the capacity to think.
The rest believe the advertising/propaganda lies they're told to believe.
On 2025-05-19 19:24, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-19 12:02, Farley Flud wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 23:36:19 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, the ?week? stretched on a bit longer than a weekI could never give up Winblows unless I wanted to give up on-line
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do. >>>>
banking and shopping.
A lot of web sites seem to discriminate against GNU/Linux browsers.
Connections are not possible unless one uses Winblows.
I use Linux every day and I don't have that problem. I was just at my
bank a few minutes ago.
Exactly. Except if one is using a browser with a very small 'market
share', any browser which has a substantial market share on Windows
or/and macOS, should be supported by all banks and webshops.
So this would include at least Chrome, Edge and Firefox, which are all >> available on Linux.
Firefox is quite popular and it works for me. It is open source and
doesn't seem to have commercial ties (with some debates now and then).
On the other hand, some companies might have a grudge with opensource,
so if Firefox doesn't work, then use Chrome, which is proprietary and
very popular, so it will work with those obtuse sites. Perhaps with
sites with DRM protections.
That's the kind of policy which would have prevented people like Edward Snowden from revealing what they did to the world. Additionally, Western companies are constantly losing their intellectual property to Chinese imitations. These imitations are usually produced using information that
was stolen by employees and sold to the Reds or reverse-engineered.
People believe that premium gas is better simply because it costs more.
There is a known marketing phenomenon. If a product is priced too low,
even though it's a fair price and would be profitable, people ask 'what's wrong with it?' so the price is raised to match the other widgets on the market.
I don't know if you would call it passive price fixing or what.
Even as it's often baseless propaganda (in the case of Apple's marketing).
I will admit that Apple's operating system doesn't get too many updates.
People believe that the solution to murder is to hide the sticks.
They're told to believe that.
People believe that premium gas is better simply because it costs more.
I used to think the same thing. I've since learned that the need for 91
gas is because the engines are synchronized with the burn rate of 91
fuel. For example, using 91 fuel in a regular engine is likely to damage
it in the long run, much in the same way that using 87 fuel in a 91
engine would.
In California, people believe an electric car, which pollutes twice as much >> as ICE vehicles (cradle to grave) is "pollution free".
And the Californian electrical grid can't even support every citizen
having an electric vehicle.
Even the fact that we think cow's "milk is natural" (for adults) is based
simply on a BILLION DOLLAR propaganda campaign.
Cow milk actually does more damage to the human body than people
realize. Skin issues are one problem, but it also does the opposite to
bones than what we were told that it does. Bones become brittle from consumption of cow milk, and we try to fix the problem by drinking more
of what has caused the problem. Human milk is for human consumption, not
cow milk.
Propaganda works.
Because the vast majority of people are incredible stupid.
Yet, everything they think they know... is wrong.
Like Gravity being a force (when it's clearly not a force).
My estimate is only one out of million people has the capacity to think.
The rest believe the advertising/propaganda lies they're told to believe.
Agreed.
For example, using 91 fuel in a regular engine is likely to damage
it in the long run,
much in the same way that using 87 fuel in a 91 engine would.
Bones become brittle from consumption of cow milk,
Human milk is for human consumption, not cow milk.
Do you believe gravity is a force?
Do you think astronauts are weightless in the space station?
Do scuba divers breath "oxygen" as a matter of course?
Is there any need whatsoever for carbohydrates in a human diet?
Is drinking cow's milk really natural?
Are guns really the problem?
Are Apple iOS devices actually safer than Android?
Is the thing they call a Covid "vaccine" really a vaccine?
Are viruses living organisms?
Will punitive tariffs really reinvigorate the American economy?
Has a healthy person ever gotten sick from eating moldy food?
Is an abortion really simply a choice which is a right of motherhood?
Does an electric car pollute twice as much as an ICE vehicle?
Did immigrants really eat the cats and dogs in some town somewhere?
Did Virginia Slims really "liberate" women (you've come a long way baby)?
Is premium gas in any way, shape or form "better" than regular?
Tyrone wrote:
chrisv wrote:
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
For what? USB sticks are a security nightmare. Why aren't you using the
company network?
Not all of the machines are on the company network.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 20:59:13 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
Any USB stick in the company I work at is immedately encrypted upon
insertion.
Do you have any kind of hardware protection against malicious firmware?
<https://opensource.srlabs.de/projects/badusb> <https://github.com/robertfisk/USG/wiki>
On 2025-05-19, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Tyrone wrote:In most large data centers people entering with a laptp/tablet need to provide
chrisv wrote:
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
For what? USB sticks are a security nightmare. Why aren't you using the >>> company network?
Not all of the machines are on the company network.
evidence of a
current version of malware software and a recent scan showing no issues.
No proof, no entrance.
Additionally any media, like USB keys, are scanned by the security team
and are to be either left in the data center or surrendered to security
for destruction. Walk out with one in your pocket and you are in serious trouble.
The slang is "roaches check in but they don't check out".
On Tue, 20 May 2025 08:55:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote :
Even as it's often baseless propaganda (in the case of Apple's marketing). >>I will admit that Apple's operating system doesn't get too many updates.
Apple has, arguably, the *worst* hotfix support in the entire industry.
And yet, they advertise that they havfe the best.
Samsung, for example (and Google) are on record (due to UK regulations requiring a written promise of support) for 7 years of full support while Apple has a measly five years of full support.
Worse, iOS has never had a "hotfix" process until the RSRs of iOS 16.
Can you believe that? No hotfixes? No wonder it's the most exploited OS!
Surprisingly, it turns out Apple was forced to admit last year that they
have *never* in their entire history *ever* fully supported more than one release at a time.
And yet everyone else fully supports multiple releases simultaneously.
When you know the facts, you realize why iOS is the most exploited.
The marketing doesn't ever mention the facts.
But all most people know are the marketing.
So they "think" the support is the best - when it's actually the worst.
In California, people believe an electric car, which pollutes twice as much >>> as ICE vehicles (cradle to grave) is "pollution free".
And the Californian electrical grid can't even support every citizen
having an electric vehicle.
Luckily, in California, at 65 cents per kilowatt hour, those who can afford to "go solar" are generating their own rooftop power - which means PG&E
isn't supplying the power. Since NEM3 went into effect (net energy
metering), it's not worth selling the power back to the power company.
So everyone is adding batteries instead of selling power to the electric company. Effectively, those electric cars are running off of that.
But even the EPA says it takes far more Greenhouse Gases to make an
electric vehicle than an ICE vehicle - so the pollution (cradle to grave)
is what matters as out the dealership door - the electric vehicle has
already vastly polluted more than the ICE vehicle.
Most people don't know this.
But as I said, most people are incredibly stupid.
They only believe what they're told to believe.
And they never question it.
On May 18, 2025 at 6:52:45 PM EDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 20:59:13 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
Any USB stick in the company I work at is immedately encrypted upon
insertion.
Do you have any kind of hardware protection against malicious firmware?
<https://opensource.srlabs.de/projects/badusb>
<https://github.com/robertfisk/USG/wiki>
No, that's not the problem I am talking about. Companies don't want
their stuff walking out the door on a USB drive.
On Tue, 20 May 2025 00:11:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote :
However, if our rationality is just an epiphenomenon, how can we be
confident in our perception of any external truths?
How does the justification for that question follow from the
assumption?
Yikes! The classic self-referential paradox indeed!
Argument by reductio ad absurdum, in fact. A great way to prove that
there is something wrong with your argument.
The main proof of my argument is that "they" spend BILLIONS of
dollars in advertising things like Apple's "reliability" when, in
fact, iOS is the least secure, least updated, and the most exploited
phone in history.
You might want to read up on how Firefox has become spyware over the
last few years.
On Tue, 20 May 2025 05:03:14 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 00:11:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote :
However, if our rationality is just an epiphenomenon, how can we be >>>>>> confident in our perception of any external truths?
How does the justification for that question follow from the
assumption?
Yikes! The classic self-referential paradox indeed!
Argument by reductio ad absurdum, in fact. A great way to prove that
there is something wrong with your argument.
The main proof of my argument is that "they" spend BILLIONS of dollars
in advertising things like Apple's "reliability" when, in fact, iOS is
the least secure, least updated, and the most exploited phone in
history.
But if your rationality is just an epiphenomenon, how can you be sure of that?
On Tue, 20 May 2025 23:37:41 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
On May 18, 2025 at 6:52:45 PM EDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 20:59:13 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
Any USB stick in the company I work at is immedately encrypted upon
insertion.
Do you have any kind of hardware protection against malicious
firmware?
<https://opensource.srlabs.de/projects/badusb>
<https://github.com/robertfisk/USG/wiki>
No, that's not the problem I am talking about. Companies don't want
their stuff walking out the door on a USB drive.
They should be more concerned about it walking out the door over their network.
Marion wrote:
Do you believe gravity is a force?
Do you think astronauts are weightless in the space station?
Do scuba divers breath "oxygen" as a matter of course?
Is there any need whatsoever for carbohydrates in a human diet?
Is drinking cow's milk really natural?
Are guns really the problem?
Are Apple iOS devices actually safer than Android?
Is the thing they call a Covid "vaccine" really a vaccine?
Are viruses living organisms?
Will punitive tariffs really reinvigorate the American economy?
Has a healthy person ever gotten sick from eating moldy food?
Is an abortion really simply a choice which is a right of motherhood?
Does an electric car pollute twice as much as an ICE vehicle?
Did immigrants really eat the cats and dogs in some town somewhere?
Did Virginia Slims really "liberate" women (you've come a long way
baby)?
Is premium gas in any way, shape or form "better" than regular?
I'm kind of curious about the moldy food question.
It's up to your ingenuity to create that number line, but it MUST be
simple for it to work (e.g., L, XL & GXL car models or Bronze, Silver or
Gold insurance plans).
CrudeSausage wrote:
For example, using 91 fuel in a regular engine is likely to damage
it in the long run,
No, I've never heard that. It's only a waste of money to use Premium
when it's not needed.
much in the same way that using 87 fuel in a 91 engine would.
Entirely different, as using insufficient octane can result in
predetonation (knock).
Bones become brittle from consumption of cow milk,
I recall asking you, some time back, to support that claim, and you
couldn't. Some quick google research (and common sense) says that
it's good for our bones.
Human milk is for human consumption, not cow milk.
Whatever it was "designed" for, it's still a good, healthy food.
Samsung, for example (and Google) are on record (due to UK regulations
requiring a written promise of support) for 7 years of full support while
Apple has a measly five years of full support.
That must be a recent thing because Android phones, in particular,
seldom had more than two years of support before they were abandoned.
This was the case with smartphones when I decided to get my iPhone 13
anyway. Apple offered five which looks poor compared to seven, but much better than two.
Worse, iOS has never had a "hotfix" process until the RSRs of iOS 16.
Can you believe that? No hotfixes? No wonder it's the most exploited OS!
Surprisingly, it turns out Apple was forced to admit last year that they
have *never* in their entire history *ever* fully supported more than one
release at a time.
And yet everyone else fully supports multiple releases simultaneously.
When you know the facts, you realize why iOS is the most exploited.
The marketing doesn't ever mention the facts.
But all most people know are the marketing.
So they "think" the support is the best - when it's actually the worst.
That is definitely something to consider when it will be time to replace
this phone. For now, it works well even three years after I got it.
They only believe what they're told to believe.
And they never question it.
What we've learned during the rollout of the COVID vaccine is that being skeptical and asking questions is "anti-science."
Marion wrote:
It's up to your ingenuity to create that number line, but it MUST be
simple for it to work (e.g., L, XL & GXL car models or Bronze, Silver or
Gold insurance plans).
Montgomery Ward had that down to a tee. Many things in the catalog had
good, better, and best categories.
No, that's not the problem I am talking about. Companies don't want
their stuff walking out the door on a USB drive.
They should be more concerned about it walking out the door over their
network.
The corporate One Drive is very handy :)
On Tue, 20 May 2025 16:58:16 -0500, chrisv wrote :
CrudeSausage wrote:
For example, using 91 fuel in a regular engine is likely to damage
it in the long run,
No, I've never heard that. It's only a waste of money to use Premium
when it's not needed.
I agree with chrisv in that premium gasoline isn't better than regular any more than penicillin is better than tetracycline. They're just different.
The only difference between a fuel rated at, oh, say, 125 octane and
another fuel rated at, oh, say, 100 octane, is the tendency to knock under high heat and pressure.
Notice I'm choosing ratings above 100 because a lot of incredibly stupid peopple think the number is the percentage of "octane" in the fuel.
On Tue, 20 May 2025 16:58:16 -0500, chrisv wrote :
CrudeSausage wrote:
For example, using 91 fuel in a regular engine is likely to damage
it in the long run,
No, I've never heard that. It's only a waste of money to use Premium
when it's not needed.
I agree with chrisv in that premium gasoline isn't better than regular any more than penicillin is better than tetracycline. They're just different.
On 2025-05-21 07:08, Marion wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 16:58:16 -0500, chrisv wrote :
CrudeSausage wrote:
For example, using 91 fuel in a regular engine is likely to damage
it in the long run,
No, I've never heard that. It's only a waste of money to use Premium
when it's not needed.
I agree with chrisv in that premium gasoline isn't better than regular
any
more than penicillin is better than tetracycline. They're just different.
The only difference between a fuel rated at, oh, say, 125 octane and
another fuel rated at, oh, say, 100 octane, is the tendency to knock
under
high heat and pressure.
Notice that a gasoline with higher octane number allows the air-gasoline mixture to be compressed more, which makes the motor produce more power.
Possibly increasing the spark advance also increases the power yield, I
don't know for sure.
Notice I'm choosing ratings above 100 because a lot of incredibly stupid
peopple think the number is the percentage of "octane" in the fuel.
Why do you have to insult people that simply do not know something?
...
On 5/21/2025 1:08 AM, Marion wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 16:58:16 -0500, chrisv wrote :
CrudeSausage wrote:
For example, using 91 fuel in a regular engine is likely to damage
it in the long run,
No, I've never heard that. It's only a waste of money to use Premium
when it's not needed.
I agree with chrisv in that premium gasoline isn't better than regular
any
more than penicillin is better than tetracycline. They're just different.
Years ago, it was often marketed that the Premium also had better
additives. Today, Top Tier brands are the way to go.
In my Sonata with turbo, regular works fine, but just a half tank of 89
gives me better pedal feel. It is around town that I like it, on the highway no difference. Seems to help with the turbo as it spools up.
I've played with the a few times, depending on when I fill, I alternate
to keep a slightly higher octane. I'd never bother with the 93. On my Genesis, non-turbo, straight 87 was good.
On Tue, 20 May 2025 08:57:24 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
You might want to read up on how Firefox has become spyware over the
last few years.
Somehow I don’t think that kind of thing gets past the distro
maintainers ...
Notice I'm choosing ratings above 100 because a lot of incredibly stupid
peopple think the number is the percentage of "octane" in the fuel.
Why do you have to insult people that simply do not know something?
Years ago, it was often marketed that the Premium also had better
additives. Today, Top Tier brands are the way to go.
We have 3 levels of octane (RON) rating here 91, 95 and 98. 98, the
premium fuel, has a higher detergent rating so will keep injectors cleaner.
I agree with chrisv in that premium gasoline isn't better than regular any >> more than penicillin is better than tetracycline. They're just different.
Years ago, it was often marketed that the Premium also had better
additives. Today, Top Tier brands are the way to go.
In my Sonata with turbo, regular works fine, but just a half tank of 89
gives me better pedal feel. It is around town that I like it, on the
highway no difference. Seems to help with the turbo as it spools up.
I've played with the a few times, depending on when I fill, I alternate
to keep a slightly higher octane. I'd never bother with the 93. On my Genesis, non-turbo, straight 87 was good.
On 21/5/2025 10:09 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-21 07:08, Marion wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 16:58:16 -0500, chrisv wrote :
CrudeSausage wrote:
For example, using 91 fuel in a regular engine is likely to damage
it in the long run,
No, I've never heard that. It's only a waste of money to use Premium >>>> when it's not needed.
I agree with chrisv in that premium gasoline isn't better than
regular any
more than penicillin is better than tetracycline. They're just
different.
The only difference between a fuel rated at, oh, say, 125 octane and
another fuel rated at, oh, say, 100 octane, is the tendency to knock
under
high heat and pressure.
Notice that a gasoline with higher octane number allows the air-
gasoline mixture to be compressed more, which makes the motor produce
more power.
Possibly increasing the spark advance also increases the power yield,
I don't know for sure.
No. If the engine cannot utilise the increased knock resistance of the
higher octane fuel, the benefit will be wasted. In an engine that has adaptive spark and knock sensors,
it is possible that the ignition
timing can be advanced thereby altering the point of MBT - but don't
count on it. The point of MBT is pretty well defined on the original
octane fuel. You may also find the engine runs more smoothly on a higher octane fuel - but there will likely not be any advance on power.
Increase the compression ratio of the engine and then you will be
talking. Also, you can increase the *static* compression ratio or you
can increase the *dynamic* compression ratio. The dynamic (also known as effective) compression ratio directly relates to volumetric efficiency.
I studied the coronaviruses way back in the sixties and seventies.
They haven't changed since then. There are only 7 known to infect man.
Lol. "Studied". At least three new species have been identified in the last 20 years or so. SARS-CoV-1, MERS and SARS-CoV-2 which cause significant and deadly disease in humans. That's an important change.
Note that all brake pads sold in the USA must (by law) have the cold/hot >friction rating printed on the pad or plate or on the box, but I've never >found anyone who knew that basic fact. Not even auto parts store workers.
This was the case with smartphones when I decided to get my iPhone 13
anyway. Apple offered five which looks poor compared to seven, but much
better than two.
Correct.
It'll take several years for the difference to come since it was
only announced recently.
The seven years also isn't for all models
whereas
Apple's support is for all phones and in the real world is often 6-7 years anyway.
Worse, iOS has never had a "hotfix" process until the RSRs of iOS 16.
Can you believe that? No hotfixes? No wonder it's the most exploited OS! >>>
Surprisingly, it turns out Apple was forced to admit last year that they >>> have *never* in their entire history *ever* fully supported more than one >>> release at a time.
And yet everyone else fully supports multiple releases simultaneously.
When you know the facts, you realize why iOS is the most exploited.
The marketing doesn't ever mention the facts.
But all most people know are the marketing.
So they "think" the support is the best - when it's actually the worst.
That is definitely something to consider when it will be time to replace
this phone. For now, it works well even three years after I got it.
Don't listen to "Marion". Apple doesn't need to support multiple OS
versions as the most up-to-date version is compatible with all supported iphones.
rbowman wrote:
Marion wrote:
It's up to your ingenuity to create that number line, but it MUST be
simple for it to work (e.g., L, XL & GXL car models or Bronze, Silver
or Gold insurance plans).
Montgomery Ward had that down to a tee. Many things in the catalog had >>good, better, and best categories.
Too much choice! 8)
Sears did the same thing, as I recall. The Sears catalog was awesome.
On 2025-05-20 23:27, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 08:57:24 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
You might want to read up on how Firefox has become spyware over the
last few years.
Somehow I don’t think that kind of thing gets past the distro
maintainers ...
Which is a hilarious thing to say since we know that the "many eyes"
don't actually look at the code to see what's in it.
On 2025-05-21 15:57, Xeno wrote:
On 21/5/2025 10:09 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-21 07:08, Marion wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 16:58:16 -0500, chrisv wrote :
CrudeSausage wrote:
For example, using 91 fuel in a regular engine is likely to damage >>>>>> it in the long run,
No, I've never heard that. It's only a waste of money to use Premium >>>>> when it's not needed.
I agree with chrisv in that premium gasoline isn't better than
regular any
more than penicillin is better than tetracycline. They're just
different.
The only difference between a fuel rated at, oh, say, 125 octane and
another fuel rated at, oh, say, 100 octane, is the tendency to knock
under
high heat and pressure.
Notice that a gasoline with higher octane number allows the air-
gasoline mixture to be compressed more, which makes the motor produce
more power.
Possibly increasing the spark advance also increases the power yield,
I don't know for sure.
No. If the engine cannot utilise the increased knock resistance of the
higher octane fuel, the benefit will be wasted. In an engine that has
adaptive spark and knock sensors,
which modern engines do, and I refer to those
it is possible that the ignition timing can be advanced thereby
altering the point of MBT - but don't count on it. The point of MBT is
pretty well defined on the original octane fuel. You may also find the
engine runs more smoothly on a higher octane fuel - but there will
likely not be any advance on power.
Increase the compression ratio of the engine and then you will be
talking. Also, you can increase the *static* compression ratio or you
can increase the *dynamic* compression ratio. The dynamic (also known
as effective) compression ratio directly relates to volumetric
efficiency.
Your headers say you're using a GUI macOS newsreader yourself, but nevertheless, it is true that Apple is a rogue entity in the world of computing, now that a PC with ARM is available there's jack shit of a
reason for me to even conceive of buying a Mac, I don't care for
Windows 11 but that's easily replaced with Linux for ARM. I'm still
using an Intel CPU, in my machine I assembled in 2021, but I'd look
forward to an ARM-based device in the future.
The greater problem is - the EMS will keep the
ignition right on the hard edge of detonation and, long term, that won't
be good.
Note, the knock sensors need to sense actual detonation before
they react. So, with the lower octane fuel present, there will always be
a tendency to knock.
On 22/5/2025 2:24 am, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-21 15:57, Xeno wrote:
On 21/5/2025 10:09 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-21 07:08, Marion wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 16:58:16 -0500, chrisv wrote :
CrudeSausage wrote:
For example, using 91 fuel in a regular engine is likely to damage >>>>>>> it in the long run,
No, I've never heard that. It's only a waste of money to use Premium >>>>>> when it's not needed.
I agree with chrisv in that premium gasoline isn't better than
regular any
more than penicillin is better than tetracycline. They're just
different.
The only difference between a fuel rated at, oh, say, 125 octane and >>>>> another fuel rated at, oh, say, 100 octane, is the tendency to
knock under
high heat and pressure.
Notice that a gasoline with higher octane number allows the air-
gasoline mixture to be compressed more, which makes the motor
produce more power.
Possibly increasing the spark advance also increases the power
yield, I don't know for sure.
No. If the engine cannot utilise the increased knock resistance of
the higher octane fuel, the benefit will be wasted. In an engine that
has adaptive spark and knock sensors,
which modern engines do, and I refer to those
So was I. Pretty much everything has knock sensors these days and most
are adaptive. The ignition base timing map is calibrated to the rated
fuel octane, engine load and engine RPM. If you fill with a lower octane fuel, the knock sensors will detect any knock and back off the timing.
If you fill with a higher octane fuel, the ECU has no way of knowing the
fuel is different so will continue to use the basic ignition timing map.
Xeno wrote:
So was I. Pretty much everything has knock sensors these days and most
are adaptive. The ignition base timing map is calibrated to the rated
fuel octane, engine load and engine RPM. If you fill with a lower octane
fuel, the knock sensors will detect any knock and back off the timing.
If you fill with a higher octane fuel, the ECU has no way of knowing the
fuel is different so will continue to use the basic ignition timing map.
You mean that the system is so stupid as not to recalibrate each time
you fill the tank?
Are all cars like this?
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:34:57 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
Worse, iOS has never had a "hotfix" process until the RSRs of iOS 16. >>>>> Can you believe that? No hotfixes? No wonder it's the most exploited OS! >>>>>That is definitely something to consider when it will be time to replace >>>> this phone. For now, it works well even three years after I got it.
Surprisingly, it turns out Apple was forced to admit last year that they >>>>> have *never* in their entire history *ever* fully supported more than one >>>>> release at a time.
And yet everyone else fully supports multiple releases simultaneously. >>>>> When you know the facts, you realize why iOS is the most exploited.
The marketing doesn't ever mention the facts.
But all most people know are the marketing.
So they "think" the support is the best - when it's actually the worst. >>>>
Don't listen to "Marion". Apple doesn't need to support multiple OS
versions as the most up-to-date version is compatible with all supported >>> iphones.
That's absurd, Chris. Only Apple fully supports a single release. Period.
FACT:
No other common operating system vendor only fully supports one release.
Just Apple. Nobody else.
And everyone but Apple had a hotfix process from day one, Chris.
Only Apple suddenly realized they needed RSRs only in iOS 16 & beyond.
As always, all the evidence indicates Apple's full hotfix support is the
worst in the industry. It's likely why iOS has the most exploits, Chris.
Those are just facts. You hate the facts. So you deny all facts you hate.
Which is a lot of facts.
What's very revealing about the psychology of you Apple trolls is you think >> nothing of brazenly lying to make excuses for those facts.
Your headers say you're using a GUI macOS newsreader yourself, but
Xeno knows more than I do about this but it's my understanding that the
best possible 'efficiency' (which I think he's calling maximum brake
torque) is when the engine timing is such that it's on the very verge of >knocking.
Note that almost all the time, you're nowhere near the verge of knocking,
as it only happens, in normal sedate driving, at times of high load or >acceleration or very high heat (which is an abnormal condition usually).
Note, the knock sensors need to sense actual detonation before
they react. So, with the lower octane fuel present, there will always be
a tendency to knock.
I've run many experiments on my bimmer which said it required premium,
where I never "heard" the knocking but more importantly - I never could >measure (with the crude methods available to me) any loss in MPG >calculations.
Note that all brake pads sold in the USA must (by law) have the cold/hot >>friction rating printed on the pad or plate or on the box, but I've never >>found anyone who knew that basic fact. Not even auto parts store workers.
Likewise, all tires have a 4-digit week/year date code on the sidewall,
but I've run into a lot of people who had no idea that it's there, nor
do they know how to read it.
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:45:38 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
I studied the coronaviruses way back in the sixties and seventies.
They haven't changed since then. There are only 7 known to infect man.
Lol. "Studied". At least three new species have been identified in the last >>> 20 years or so. SARS-CoV-1, MERS and SARS-CoV-2 which cause significant and >>> deadly disease in humans. That's an important change.
Chris,
My point was that the coronaviridea were and are well known to science,
well before the general public heard about them only recently.
Again, everything people know is wrong if they think they're new.
I forgot more about coronaviruses than you will ever know, so be careful
when you ridicule scientific statements simply because you don't like them.
Get over yourself. You think reading books is equivalent to obtaining a degree. You wouldn't know a scientific statement if it smacked you around
the chops.
What stands SARS-COV-2 apart (other than the multiple attachment sites) is >> the specificities of the resulting cytokine storm - which isn't well known >> why it hits certain people so hard. But what's a fact is comorbidities are >> over the 90% mark - so it usually isn't Covid alone that kills people.
At my age, perhaps being twice that of yours,
Nope.
the risks are high enough
that boosters are still recommended but they're not going to be recommended >> for people under about the age of 60 it seems, based on recent USA data.
However, since immunity is not long lasting (the average is about 2 years
even when people get the disease versus the thing they call a vaccine),
we're all destined to get Covid about once every 2 years moving forward.
Not me. At least not to the point where my viral load is detectable. I
tested almost daily during the pandemic and had a case twice in the household. Never even a hint of being positive. Never had covid-19.
If you purchase a Pixel or Galaxy or iPhone today, those promised written
support years and numbers of releases are active instantly. It's now.
Correct. The actual benefit only comes in 3 years' time for Pixel/Galaxy owners as earlier models only ever got about 3 years of support. And the
new guarantee is not retrospective. Why not? Are one year older models so
bad they can't commit to supporting them for more than three years?
iPhone models, however, have had *at leat* 5 years support for many years
now so iPhone users won't see any difference. Apple only confirmed what everyone was getting, already.
The Samsung/Galaxy policy is new.
The most often purchased phones are Samsung, Chris, so that fact matters a >> lot given the Galaxy S series competes directly with the iPhone.
Thanks for confirming that model A Samsungs still get shit support.
That's actually quite amazing.That you are unaware of these basic facts is what's so very troublesome
about Apple trolls who think nothing of lying to protect your Apple God.
whereas
Apple's support is for all phones and in the real world is often 6-7 years >>> anyway.
Why do you continually brazenly lie Chris?
This is a fact I have demonstrated on multiple occasions. You seem to
prefer a written statement - that anyone could write - over empirical evidence. For example, the iphone XS released in 2018 is still fully supported SEVEN years on.
Only Apple has many years' worth of evidence that they can fully support
ALL their phones for a minimum of five years.
We'll have to wait to see if google and samsung are able to meet their commitments even if it's only for some models.
On 2025-05-23 02:38, Chris wrote:
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:45:38 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
I studied the coronaviruses way back in the sixties and seventies.Lol. "Studied". At least three new species have been identified in
They haven't changed since then. There are only 7 known to infect man. >>>>
the last
20 years or so. SARS-CoV-1, MERS and SARS-CoV-2 which cause
significant and
deadly disease in humans. That's an important change.
Chris,
My point was that the coronaviridea were and are well known to science,
well before the general public heard about them only recently.
Again, everything people know is wrong if they think they're new.
I forgot more about coronaviruses than you will ever know, so be careful >>> when you ridicule scientific statements simply because you don't like
them.
Get over yourself. You think reading books is equivalent to obtaining a
degree. You wouldn't know a scientific statement if it smacked you around
the chops.
What stands SARS-COV-2 apart (other than the multiple attachment
sites) is
the specificities of the resulting cytokine storm - which isn't well
known
why it hits certain people so hard. But what's a fact is
comorbidities are
over the 90% mark - so it usually isn't Covid alone that kills people.
At my age, perhaps being twice that of yours,
Nope.
the risks are high enough
that boosters are still recommended but they're not going to be
recommended
for people under about the age of 60 it seems, based on recent USA data. >>>
However, since immunity is not long lasting (the average is about 2
years
even when people get the disease versus the thing they call a vaccine),
we're all destined to get Covid about once every 2 years moving forward.
Not me. At least not to the point where my viral load is detectable. I
tested almost daily during the pandemic and had a case twice in the
household. Never even a hint of being positive. Never had covid-19.
How would you even know? In most cases, COVID-19 was little more than a
flu. _Some_ people got seriously hurt by it, but most had existing
health troubles. Most people got seriously injured by the "vaccine," not
the virus.
On 2025-05-23 14:33, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-23 02:38, Chris wrote:
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:45:38 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
I studied the coronaviruses way back in the sixties and seventies. >>>>>> They haven't changed since then. There are only 7 known to infect
man.
Lol. "Studied". At least three new species have been identified in
the last
20 years or so. SARS-CoV-1, MERS and SARS-CoV-2 which cause
significant and
deadly disease in humans. That's an important change.
Chris,
My point was that the coronaviridea were and are well known to science, >>>> well before the general public heard about them only recently.
Again, everything people know is wrong if they think they're new.
I forgot more about coronaviruses than you will ever know, so be
careful
when you ridicule scientific statements simply because you don't
like them.
Get over yourself. You think reading books is equivalent to obtaining a
degree. You wouldn't know a scientific statement if it smacked you
around
the chops.
What stands SARS-COV-2 apart (other than the multiple attachment
sites) is
the specificities of the resulting cytokine storm - which isn't well
known
why it hits certain people so hard. But what's a fact is
comorbidities are
over the 90% mark - so it usually isn't Covid alone that kills people. >>>>
At my age, perhaps being twice that of yours,
Nope.
the risks are high enough
that boosters are still recommended but they're not going to be
recommended
for people under about the age of 60 it seems, based on recent USA
data.
However, since immunity is not long lasting (the average is about 2
years
even when people get the disease versus the thing they call a vaccine), >>>> we're all destined to get Covid about once every 2 years moving
forward.
Not me. At least not to the point where my viral load is detectable. I
tested almost daily during the pandemic and had a case twice in the
household. Never even a hint of being positive. Never had covid-19.
How would you even know? In most cases, COVID-19 was little more than
a flu. _Some_ people got seriously hurt by it, but most had existing
health troubles. Most people got seriously injured by the "vaccine,"
not the virus.
LOL! False, of course. And offtopic.
How would you even know? In most cases, COVID-19 was little more than a flu. _Some_ people got seriously hurt by it, but most had existing health troubles.
Most people got seriously injured by the "vaccine," not the virus.
The Samsung/Galaxy policy is new.
Indeed it is. Had it already been around in 2021 or so, I would have
opted for an Android to replace my LG G6, not an iPhone 13. I don't
regret the iPhone 13 at all though. The battery still has 86% health
after all this time, the performance is stellar and it gets updates as
often as seems necessary to this day.
If you purchase a Pixel or Galaxy or iPhone today, those promised written
support years and numbers of releases are active instantly. It's now.
Correct. The actual benefit only comes in 3 years' time for Pixel/Galaxy owners as earlier models only ever got about 3 years of support. And the
new guarantee is not retrospective. Why not? Are one year older models so
bad they can't commit to supporting them for more than three years?
iPhone models, however, have had *at least* 5 years support for many years now so iPhone users won't see any difference. Apple only confirmed what everyone was getting, already.
The Samsung/Galaxy policy is new.
The most often purchased phones are Samsung, Chris, so that fact matters a >> lot given the Galaxy S series competes directly with the iPhone.
Thanks for confirming that model A Samsungs still get shit support.
That you are unaware of these basic facts is what's so very troublesome
about Apple trolls who think nothing of lying to protect your Apple God.
whereas
Apple's support is for all phones and in the real world is often 6-7 years >>> anyway.
Why do you continually brazenly lie Chris?
This is a fact I have demonstrated on multiple occasions. You seem to
prefer a written statement - that anyone could write - over empirical evidence. For example, the iphone XS released in 2018 is still fully supported SEVEN years on.
Only Apple has many years' worth of evidence that they can fully support
ALL their phones for a minimum of five years.
We'll have to wait to see if google and samsung are able to meet their commitments even if it's only for some models.
On Fri, 5/23/2025 8:33 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
How would you even know? In most cases, COVID-19 was little more than a flu. >> _Some_ people got seriously hurt by it, but most had existing health troubles.
Most people got seriously injured by the "vaccine," not the virus.
< propaganda >
You're so desperate to lie about Apple's support that it's palpable, Chris.
Everything I've stated is not a lie. You on the other hand.. let's say..
you have a passing acquaintance with reality.
Fact is I just got a hotfix update to my Samsung Galaxy A32-5G Chris, which >> was released in early 2021, but the point is that technology moves forward.
It is stuck on Android 13 and lost support three months ago: https://endoflife.date/samsung-mobile
Whereas the seven year old iphone XS example I gave will run iOS 18 and is fully supported.
If I were to buy a Pixel or Galaxy S series phone today, it would be
covered for full hotfixes and operating system update for 7 years.
We'll see..
iPhone models, however, have had *at least* 5 years support for many years >>> now so iPhone users won't see any difference. Apple only confirmed what
everyone was getting, already.
The Samsung/Galaxy policy is new.
You're so desperate to falsely claim Apple support to be superior
Historically, absolutely. Samsung/Google Pixel owners will have to wait
five years to have a phone that matches the support iphone owners have experienced for years.
Do you deny that the seven year old iphone XS is fully fully supported by Apple and the latest version of iOS? I dare you.
The most often purchased phones are Samsung, Chris, so that fact matters a >>>> lot given the Galaxy S series competes directly with the iPhone.
Thanks for confirming that model A Samsungs still get shit support.
The A series is six years for full hotfix support, Chris.
Which is still more than Apple's (and the A-series is a cheap phone).
That's a new one from you. Evidence?
Why can't you admit that Apple's support is the worst in the industry?
That's clearly false. How long was Windows Mobile supported?
You're desperate to claim 5 years is longer than 6 (A series) or 7 (S).
Not true.
Why do you think the iPhone is the most exploited smartphone in history?
Again, you keep stating that and provide a link that even you can't show
how it supports your assertion. Basically you're lying.
We'll have to wait to see if google and samsung are able to meet their
commitments even if it's only for some models.
What you Apple trolls don't understand is there's a huge difference between >> randomly patching an egregious bug in an older release, and patching every >> known bug in the latest release.
There's lots you don't understand from behind your blinkered view of the world. No-one's talking about random patches.
What do you not understand about all iphones from the XS and newer being fully supported by iOS 18? How is that worse than your A32 being stuck on Android 13 and given security fixes now and again if google deems it necessary?
The EU rules on battery life won't even allow Apple to sell their iPhone in >> Europe as of this summer if Apple continues to fail minimum-life standards.
Evidence?
On 2025-05-23 09:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-23 14:33, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-23 02:38, Chris wrote:
How would you even know? In most cases, COVID-19 was little more than
a flu. _Some_ people got seriously hurt by it, but most had existing
health troubles. Most people got seriously injured by the "vaccine,"
not the virus.
LOL! False, of course. And offtopic.
Not false, not off-topic since you mentioned the "virus."
On Fri, 23 May 2025 16:46:23 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
The EU rules on battery life won't even allow Apple to sell their iPhone in >>> Europe as of this summer if Apple continues to fail minimum-life standards. >>Evidence?
Jesus Christ Chris. C'mon. Everyone knows this. It's all over the net.
And has been. For years. The letters are public. Stop being an Apple troll.
On Tue, 20 May 2025 19:50:59 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote :
Samsung, for example (and Google) are on record (due to UK regulations
requiring a written promise of support) for 7 years of full support while >>> Apple has a measly five years of full support.
That must be a recent thing because Android phones, in particular,
seldom had more than two years of support before they were abandoned.
This was the case with smartphones when I decided to get my iPhone 13
anyway. Apple offered five which looks poor compared to seven, but much
better than two.
Most people think Apple's support is the best, and yet, it's the worst.
Why is that?
The answer is simple.
Marketing.
While I got the shots (since I'm an octogenarian), I knew full
well that it was decidedly NOT a vaccine - even as they call it that.
I studied the coronaviruses way back in the sixties and seventies.
They haven't changed since then. There are only 7 known to infect man.
On Fri, 23 May 2025 16:46:23 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
Is this claim as accurate as your one about iOS and privileged ports?The EU rules on battery life won't even allow Apple to sell their iPhone in >>> Europe as of this summer if Apple continues to fail minimum-life standards. >>Evidence?
Jesus Christ Chris. C'mon. Everyone knows this. It's all over the net.
And has been. For years. The letters are public. Stop being an Apple troll.
Jesus Christ Chris. C'mon. Everyone knows this. It's all over the net.
And has been. For years. The letters are public. Stop being an Apple troll. >>
No, I don't know. I don't care about Apple. I don't have any Apple, and
I don't talk about them, I don't read about them.
You have to post credible evidence, about Apple batteries failing EU
testing. I live on the EU, I heard nothing. Nor that I care, but if you
say some thing, prove it!
I asked chatgpt, who instead talked about some radiation testing the
iphone 12 failed. Nothing about batteries failing testing by the EU.
On 2025-05-23 09:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-23 14:33, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-23 02:38, Chris wrote:
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:45:38 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
I studied the coronaviruses way back in the sixties and
seventies. They haven't changed since then. There are
only 7 known to infect man.
Lol. "Studied". At least three new species have been
identified in the last 20 years or so. SARS-CoV-1, MERS
and SARS-CoV-2 which cause significant and deadly disease
in humans. That's an important change.
Chris,
My point was that the coronaviridea were and are well known
to science, well before the general public heard about them
only recently.
Again, everything people know is wrong if they think they're
new.
I forgot more about coronaviruses than you will ever know,
so be careful when you ridicule scientific statements simply
because you don't like them.
Get over yourself. You think reading books is equivalent to
obtaining a degree. You wouldn't know a scientific statement
if it smacked you around the chops.
What stands SARS-COV-2 apart (other than the multiple
attachment sites) is the specificities of the resulting
cytokine storm - which isn't well known why it hits certain
people so hard. But what's a fact is comorbidities are over
the 90% mark - so it usually isn't Covid alone that kills
people.
At my age, perhaps being twice that of yours,
Nope.
the risks are high enough that boosters are still
recommended but they're not going to be recommended for
people under about the age of 60 it seems, based on recent
USA data.
However, since immunity is not long lasting (the average is
about 2 years even when people get the disease versus the
thing they call a vaccine), we're all destined to get Covid
about once every 2 years moving forward.
Not me. At least not to the point where my viral load is
detectable. I tested almost daily during the pandemic and had
a case twice in the household. Never even a hint of being
positive. Never had covid-19.
How would you even know? In most cases, COVID-19 was little more
than a flu. _Some_ people got seriously hurt by it, but most had
existing health troubles. Most people got seriously injured by
the "vaccine," not the virus.
LOL! False, of course. And offtopic.
Not false, not off-topic since you mentioned the "virus." I've had
several friends and family members injured by the "vaccine" you
Windows cretins were all too happy to promote. A good friend ended
up with ovarian cancer, as did the wife of the guy I went to
university with, as did my sister-in-law. Coincidence,
or did it have anything to do with the fact that they all took a
double dose or more of the "vaccine" that has since been proven to
be extremely damaging?
Either you are ignorant and immune to data,
or you are being paid by the pharmaceutical companies to be--
willfully ignorant and encourage people to hurt themselves. Either
way, Hell will be too good a place for you. I pray that everyone will
be quick to dismiss every one of your statements as complete garbage
and be quick to filter your opinions for the utter stupidity that
they are.
If anyone *still* can't find the discussions after *looking* in those >archives, then ask me to find them for you - but - expect to be frowned
upon
On 2025-05-23 16:13, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-23 09:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-23 14:33, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-23 02:38, Chris wrote:
How would you even know? In most cases, COVID-19 was little more
than a flu. _Some_ people got seriously hurt by it, but most had
existing health troubles. Most people got seriously injured by the
"vaccine," not the virus.
LOL! False, of course. And offtopic.
Not false, not off-topic since you mentioned the "virus."
Not bothering to read or reply.
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-05-23 12:38 p.m., Chris wrote:
I trust the Japanese more than I do some loser who still uses gmail.
lol. Literally cherry picking things to suit your bias.
<https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39103148/>
"Conclusion: In the Japanese population, SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination was
significantly associated with the onset of myocarditis/pericarditis. The
influencing factors included age of ≤30 years and male. Furthermore,
although most adverse events occurred early after vaccination, overall
outcomes were good."
Note: they didn't die and the condition usually resolves itself.
Compare with getting covid which has huge cardiovascular risks like stroke and heart attacks on top of the risk dying from covid itself.
It's good in general if you don't mind injuring yourself with
myocarditis or pericarditis like my wife's co-worker just got. She can
barely breathe or do any more than ten minutes of general activity, but
it clearly improved her life, YOU RIDICULOUS CLOWNS.
If she's that ill with the vaccine, you can be pretty sure that getting
full blown covid would have been worse.
Not false, not off-topic since you mentioned the "virus." I've had
several friends and family members injured by the "vaccine" you
Windows cretins were all too happy to promote. A good friend ended
up with ovarian cancer, as did the wife of the guy I went to
university with, as did my sister-in-law. Coincidence,
Yeap, that would be my guess .... as Women have been getting Ovarian
Cancer for years and years
Either you are ignorant and immune to data,
Or you ignore the many, many who were possibly saved.
On Fri, 23 May 2025 16:46:23 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
The EU rules on battery life won't even allow Apple to sell their iPhone in >>> Europe as of this summer if Apple continues to fail minimum-life standards. >>Evidence?
Jesus Christ Chris. C'mon. Everyone knows this. It's all over the net.
And has been. For years. The letters are public. Stop being an Apple troll.
Being ignorant is one thing.
But brazenly disputing facts that everyone knows - is what fools do.
Look it up.
We've discussed it MANY times Chris.
Apple even asked for an extension.
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-05-24 7:07 a.m., Chris wrote:
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-05-23 12:38 p.m., Chris wrote:
I trust the Japanese more than I do some loser who still uses gmail.
lol. Literally cherry picking things to suit your bias.
<https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39103148/>
"Conclusion: In the Japanese population, SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination was >>>> significantly associated with the onset of myocarditis/pericarditis. The >>>> influencing factors included age of ≤30 years and male. Furthermore, >>>> although most adverse events occurred early after vaccination, overall >>>> outcomes were good."
Note: they didn't die and the condition usually resolves itself.
How does myocarditis resolve itself, pray tell? You cannot possibly be
this much of a cretin. Show me evidence that an enlarged heart shrinks
back to its original form.
It's explicitly part of the condition which is self-limiting. The inflammation goes away. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/myocarditis-and-pericarditis-after-covid-19-vaccination/myocarditis-and-pericarditis-after-covid-19-vaccination-guidance-for-healthcare-professionals#post-covid-19-vaccination
It is also a condition that already exists in the general population at a rate of 36 per 100,000 people. The vaccine-caused rate is <20 per million doses. In the UK in 2017 there were about 2000 hospitalisations from myocarditis. There have been less than 2000 cases IN TOTAL for the
vaccines.
Compare with getting covid which has huge cardiovascular risks like stroke >>> and heart attacks on top of the risk dying from covid itself.
Prove that _COVID-19_ was responsible for the strokes and heart attacks,
not the "vaccine." Otherwise, be quiet.
Child's play. People were getting these effects BEFORE the vaccines were being rolled out.
https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/incidence-of-heart-attacks-and-strokes-was-lower-after-covid-19-vaccination
On Fri, 23 May 2025 23:20:59 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
Jesus Christ Chris. C'mon. Everyone knows this. It's all over the net.
And has been. For years. The letters are public. Stop being an Apple troll. >>>
No, I don't know. I don't care about Apple. I don't have any Apple, and
I don't talk about them, I don't read about them.
You have to post credible evidence, about Apple batteries failing EU
testing. I live on the EU, I heard nothing. Nor that I care, but if you
say some thing, prove it!
I asked chatgpt, who instead talked about some radiation testing the
iphone 12 failed. Nothing about batteries failing testing by the EU.
Carlos,
It's been a matter of public record for *years* since it's an EU directive.
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Fri, 23 May 2025 16:46:23 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
The EU rules on battery life won't even allow Apple to sell their iPhone in
Europe as of this summer if Apple continues to fail minimum-life standards.
Evidence?
Jesus Christ Chris. C'mon. Everyone knows this. It's all over the net.
And has been. For years. The letters are public. Stop being an Apple troll. >>
Being ignorant is one thing.
But brazenly disputing facts that everyone knows - is what fools do.
Look it up.
We've discussed it MANY times Chris.
Just because *you've* discussed it doesn't means anyone believes your assertions.
Given your very obvious foot-stomping it seems clear you have no evidence.
Don't bother to answer unless you post direct links that corroborate
what you claimed.
Jesus Christ Chris. C'mon. Everyone knows this. It's all over the net.
And has been. For years. The letters are public. Stop being an Apple troll. >>
Being ignorant is one thing.
But brazenly disputing facts that everyone knows - is what fools do.
Look it up.
We've discussed it MANY times Chris.
Just because *you've* discussed it doesn't means anyone believes your assertions.
Given your very obvious foot-stomping it seems clear you have no evidence.
On 2025-05-25 01:37, Marion wrote:
On Sat, 24 May 2025 21:34:11 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
Don't bother to answer unless you post direct links that corroborate
what you claimed.
Carlos,
WTF?
Not only does everyone in the world who knows anything know about it,
but, as a result, it would take you all of two seconds to google it.
And yet, you waste multiple posts denying facts you are ignorant of.
Who does that?
It is thus proven to the world that your assertion that the batteries in iPhones are not up to EU standards, is false, as you have failed to post
a single link in support of your claim.
On 2025-05-20 21:50, Marion wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 19:50:59 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote :
Samsung, for example (and Google) are on record (due to UK regulations >>>> requiring a written promise of support) for 7 years of full support while >>>> Apple has a measly five years of full support.
That must be a recent thing because Android phones, in particular,
seldom had more than two years of support before they were abandoned.
This was the case with smartphones when I decided to get my iPhone 13
anyway. Apple offered five which looks poor compared to seven, but much
better than two.
Most people think Apple's support is the best, and yet, it's the worst.
Why is that?
The answer is simple.
Marketing.
Wow. No facts at all in those two sentences.
While I got the shots (since I'm an octogenarian), I knew full
well that it was decidedly NOT a vaccine - even as they call it that.
I studied the coronaviruses way back in the sixties and seventies.
They haven't changed since then. There are only 7 known to infect man.
And did you study privileged ports back in the "sixties and seventies"
to be so certain that iOS apps couldn't use ports below 1024...
...before being proven to be completely full of shit.
On Sat, 24 May 2025 21:34:11 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
Don't bother to answer unless you post direct links that corroborate
what you claimed.
Carlos,
WTF?
Not only does everyone in the world who knows anything know about it,
but, as a result, it would take you all of two seconds to google it.
And yet, you waste multiple posts denying facts you are ignorant of.
Who does that?
On 2025-05-25 01:37, Marion wrote:
On Sat, 24 May 2025 21:34:11 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
Don't bother to answer unless you post direct links that corroborate
what you claimed.
Carlos,
WTF?
Not only does everyone in the world who knows anything know about it,
but, as a result, it would take you all of two seconds to google it.
And yet, you waste multiple posts denying facts you are ignorant of.
Who does that?
It is thus proven to the world that your assertion that the batteries in iPhones are not up to EU standards, is false, as you have failed to post
a single link in support of your claim.
It is thus proven to the world that your assertion that the batteries in iPhones are not up to EU standards, is false, as you have failed to post
a single link in support of your claim.
If anyone *still* can't find the discussions after *looking* in those >>archives, then ask me to find them for you - but - expect to be frowned >>upon
... by you, maybe. I think he's right. Post evidence for your claim, already. It should have taken less time than your posting of links to "archives".
P.S. I've never owned an Apple product in my life.
Assuming he is even man enough to reply at all.
Oh yes, he provides plenty
of links. But none of them actually back up whatever absurd claim-of-the-day he is making. He will even link to opinion pieces that "prove' HIS opinions.
For example, a couple years ago he was claiming that "Apple was found guilty" of something or other in France. He of course provided a link. The link actually stated that France offered to settle out of court with Apple, and Apple agreed to that.
Hint: When the plaintiff offers to settle out of court, it means they have no case and are just looking for a payday. In agreeing to settle, Apple of course
was not found "guilty" of anything. One of the standard points of settling out of court when the plaintiff offers to settle is that no one is EVER found guilty. Indeed, since it never went to trial, no one CAN legally be guilty.
On Sun, 25 May 2025 01:07:16 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
Assuming he is even man enough to reply at all.
Look "Tyrone",
It's not lost on adults that your only response is an ad hominem
attack because you hate that the topic has been discussed for years
on the same Apple newsgroups you frequent every single day, Tyrone.
May 24 2025:
*The long-awaited EU battery-lifetime standards kick in on June 20, 2025*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=59142&group=comp.mobile.android#59142>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=20828&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#20828>
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=17516&group=uk.telecom.mobile#17516>
July 16, 2024:
*EU mandating OEMs certify their batteries perform for 800 cycles or face consequences*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=54251&group=comp.mobile.android#54251>
<https://www.novabbs.com/rocksolid/article-flat.php?id=15898&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15898>
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=16043&group=uk.telecom.mobile#16043>
July 13, 2024:
*Every iPhone below the 15 fails the EU minimum battery longevity test*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15845&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15845>
February 28, 2024:
*EU user replaceable phone batteries*
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=14993&group=uk.telecom.mobile#14993>
January 3, 2025:
*EU New labeling regulations June 20th 2025*
<https://www.novabbs.com/rocksolid/article-flat.php?id=18653&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#18653>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=56696&group=comp.mobile.android#56696>
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=16716&group=uk.telecom.mobile#16716>
March 8, 2025:
*Look how Apple is on its crappy overall iPhone battery life*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=19509&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19509>
June 20, 2023:
*replacable batteries*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=4017&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#4017>
November 15, 2024:
*Why do Apple trolls _still_ know nothing about the EU battery life rules?*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17765&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17765>
November 15 2024:
*iFixit iPhone 16 Pro teardown* (regarding EU minimum battery life!)
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17768&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17768>
July 28 2024:
*If you own an iPhone X or older* (it fails EU minimum battery life!)
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=16350&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#16350>
July 3, 2024:
*EU forces Apple to upgrade their crappy iPhone battery!*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15554&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15554>
July 16, 2024:
*Why do Apple trolls _still_ know nothing about EU battery life recommendations?*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15901&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15901>
February 27, 2025
*Comparison of iPhone 16e battery to the iPhone 14 due to EU minimum life standards!*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=19444&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19444>
What's no longer shocking is you could post facts a hundred times, and if
the Apple troll doesn't like those facts, they'll deny they were even posted.
Even when they themselves participated in the conversations over the years!
On 2025-05-24 7:39 a.m., Daniel70 wrote:
< snip >
Not false, not off-topic since you mentioned the "virus." I've had
several friends and family members injured by the "vaccine" you
Windows cretins were all too happy to promote. A good friend ended
up with ovarian cancer, as did the wife of the guy I went to
university with, as did my sister-in-law. Coincidence,
Yeap, that would be my guess .... as Women have been getting Ovarian
Cancer for years and years
< snip >
The existence of an illness before an event does not mean that an event
is not a cause of an illness. Cancer existed before the Chernobyl
explosion; does that mean that high amounts of radiation didn't cause
the deaths of the people of Pripyat and complications for people in surrounding regions? Your inability to use logic astounds me.
Either you are ignorant and immune to data,
Or you ignore the many, many who were possibly saved.
The reality is that the poison saved no one. <https://www.globalresearch.ca/there-was-no-pandemic-dr-denis-rancourt/5824976>
"If there had been no pandemic propaganda or coercion, and governments--
and the medical establishment had simply gone on with business as usual,
then there would not have been any excess mortality
There was no pandemic causing excess mortality
Measures caused excess mortality
COVID-19 vaccination caused excess mortality"
When the times comes, you'll be an obedient citizen of Oceania, won't you?
On Sun, 25 May 2025 02:27:58 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
It is thus proven to the world that your assertion that the batteries in
iPhones are not up to EU standards, is false, as you have failed to post
a single link in support of your claim.
Jesus Christ, Carlos.
Do you realize how incredibly stupid you are saying that?
We've been discussing this topic for *years* on the mobile device ngs.
You can't take two seconds to run a search for "EU Battery Rules"?
Seriously?
*The long-awaited EU battery-lifetime standards kick in on June 20, 2025*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=59142&group=comp.mobile.android#59142>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=20828&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#20828>
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=17516&group=uk.telecom.mobile#17516>
July 16, 2024:
*EU mandating OEMs certify their batteries perform for 800 cycles or face consequences*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=54251&group=comp.mobile.android#54251>
<https://www.novabbs.com/rocksolid/article-flat.php?id=15898&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15898>
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=16043&group=uk.telecom.mobile#16043>
July 13, 2024:
*Every iPhone below the 15 fails the EU minimum battery longevity test*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15845&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15845>
February 28, 2024:
*EU user replaceable phone batteries*
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=14993&group=uk.telecom.mobile#14993>
January 3, 2025:
*EU New labeling regulations June 20th 2025*
<https://www.novabbs.com/rocksolid/article-flat.php?id=18653&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#18653>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=56696&group=comp.mobile.android#56696>
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=16716&group=uk.telecom.mobile#16716>
March 8, 2025:
*I think it's funny how desperate Apple is on its crappy overall iPhone battery life*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=19509&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19509>
June 20, 2023:
*replacable batteries*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=4017&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#4017>
November 15, 2024:
*Why do Apple trolls _still_ know nothing about the EU battery life rules?*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17765&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17765>
November 15 2024:
*iFixit iPhone 16 Pro teardown* (regarding EU minimum battery life!)
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17768&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17768>
July 28 2024:
*If you own an iPhone X or older (it fails EU minimum battery life!)
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=16350&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#16350>
July 3, 2024:
*EU forces Apple to upgrade their crappy iPhone battery!*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15554&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15554>
July 16, 2024:
*Why do Apple trolls _still_ know nothing about EU battery life recommendations?*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15901&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15901>
February 27, 2025
*Comparison of iPhone 16e battery to the iPhone 14 due to EU minimum life standards!*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=19444&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19444>
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
I now expect you to dispute that the EU actually exists.
No-one ever disputed that nor that the (frankly welcome) battery regulation >exists, fuckwit.
Nobody on the adult operating system newsgroups brazenly denies EU rules exist.
What I don't understand is that you claim because you didn't read the links
I posted a hundred times already, that you won't believe it until I post
the reference links a hundred and one times? A hundred and two times?
How many times do I have to post a reference before you click on it?
On 2025-05-24 21:50, Marion wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 01:07:16 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
Assuming he is even man enough to reply at all.
Look "Tyrone",
It's not lost on adults that your only response is an ad hominem
attack because you hate that the topic has been discussed for years
on the same Apple newsgroups you frequent every single day, Tyrone.
May 24 2025:
*The long-awaited EU battery-lifetime standards kick in on June 20, 2025* >>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=59142&group=comp.mobile.android#59142>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=20828&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#20828>
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=17516&group=uk.telecom.mobile#17516>
July 16, 2024:
*EU mandating OEMs certify their batteries perform for 800 cycles or face >> consequences*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=54251&group=comp.mobile.android#54251>
<https://www.novabbs.com/rocksolid/article-flat.php?id=15898&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15898>
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=16043&group=uk.telecom.mobile#16043>
July 13, 2024:
*Every iPhone below the 15 fails the EU minimum battery longevity test*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15845&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15845>
February 28, 2024:
*EU user replaceable phone batteries*
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=14993&group=uk.telecom.mobile#14993>
January 3, 2025:
*EU New labeling regulations June 20th 2025*
<https://www.novabbs.com/rocksolid/article-flat.php?id=18653&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#18653>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=56696&group=comp.mobile.android#56696>
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=16716&group=uk.telecom.mobile#16716>
March 8, 2025:
*Look how Apple is on its crappy overall iPhone battery life*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=19509&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19509>
June 20, 2023:
*replacable batteries*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=4017&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#4017>
November 15, 2024:
*Why do Apple trolls _still_ know nothing about the EU battery life rules?*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17765&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17765>
November 15 2024:
*iFixit iPhone 16 Pro teardown* (regarding EU minimum battery life!)
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17768&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17768>
July 28 2024:
*If you own an iPhone X or older* (it fails EU minimum battery life!)
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=16350&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#16350>
July 3, 2024:
*EU forces Apple to upgrade their crappy iPhone battery!*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15554&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15554>
July 16, 2024:
*Why do Apple trolls _still_ know nothing about EU battery life
recommendations?*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15901&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15901>
February 27, 2025
*Comparison of iPhone 16e battery to the iPhone 14 due to EU minimum life >> standards!*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=19444&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19444>
What's no longer shocking is you could post facts a hundred times, and if
the Apple troll doesn't like those facts, they'll deny they were even posted.
Even when they themselves participated in the conversations over the years!
You get that you referencing your earlier unsupported claims...
...isn't actually support for your claims, right?
On 2025-05-25 06:37, Marion wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 02:27:58 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
It is thus proven to the world that your assertion that the batteries in >>> iPhones are not up to EU standards, is false, as you have failed to post >>> a single link in support of your claim.
Jesus Christ, Carlos.
Do you realize how incredibly stupid you are saying that?
We've been discussing this topic for *years* on the mobile device ngs.
You can't take two seconds to run a search for "EU Battery Rules"?
Seriously?
*The long-awaited EU battery-lifetime standards kick in on June 20, 2025* >>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=59142&group=comp.mobile.android#59142>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=20828&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#20828>
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=17516&group=uk.telecom.mobile#17516>
Invalid links.
July 16, 2024:
*EU mandating OEMs certify their batteries perform for 800 cycles or face >> consequences*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=54251&group=comp.mobile.android#54251>
<https://www.novabbs.com/rocksolid/article-flat.php?id=15898&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15898>
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=16043&group=uk.telecom.mobile#16043>
Invalid links.
July 13, 2024:
*Every iPhone below the 15 fails the EU minimum battery longevity test*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15845&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15845>
Invalid link.
February 28, 2024:
*EU user replaceable phone batteries*
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=14993&group=uk.telecom.mobile#14993>
Invalid link.
January 3, 2025:
*EU New labeling regulations June 20th 2025*
<https://www.novabbs.com/rocksolid/article-flat.php?id=18653&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#18653>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=56696&group=comp.mobile.android#56696>
<https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/article-flat.php?id=16716&group=uk.telecom.mobile#16716>
Invalid links.
March 8, 2025:
*I think it's funny how desperate Apple is on its crappy overall iPhone
battery life*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=19509&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19509>
Invalid link.
June 20, 2023:
*replacable batteries*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=4017&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#4017>
Invalid link.
November 15, 2024:
*Why do Apple trolls _still_ know nothing about the EU battery life rules?*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17765&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17765>
Invalid link.
November 15 2024:
*iFixit iPhone 16 Pro teardown* (regarding EU minimum battery life!)
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17768&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17768>
Invalid link.
July 28 2024:
*If you own an iPhone X or older (it fails EU minimum battery life!)
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=16350&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#16350>
Invalid link.
July 3, 2024:
*EU forces Apple to upgrade their crappy iPhone battery!*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15554&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15554>
Invalid link.
July 16, 2024:
*Why do Apple trolls _still_ know nothing about EU battery life
recommendations?*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15901&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15901>
Invalid link.
February 27, 2025
*Comparison of iPhone 16e battery to the iPhone 14 due to EU minimum life >> standards!*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=19444&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19444>
Invalid link.
Arlen, you only post links to forum/usenet discussions. Not a single
credible site, like for example the BBC. Even the Wikipedia.
It is thus proven to the world that your assertion that the batteries in iPhones are not up to EU standards, is false, as you have failed to post
a single link in support of your claim.
On May 25, 2025 at 6:33:54 AM EDT, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:
On 2025-05-25 06:37, Marion wrote:
[a bunch of bullshit links]
Invalid link.
Of course.
Arlen, you only post links to forum/usenet discussions. Not a single
credible site, like for example the BBC. Even the Wikipedia.
Its even worse than that. He is referencing HIS OWN posts on this novabbs website:
Quote
Re: Comparison of the new iPhone 16e to the iPhone 14 From: Marion
End quote
He actually thinks that pointing out HIS OWN claims made elsewhere is "supporting" his claims here. That is truly pathetic. Circular logic much?
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-05-24 12:02 p.m., Chris wrote:
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-05-24 7:07 a.m., Chris wrote:
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-05-23 12:38 p.m., Chris wrote:
Of no relevance, here.
Face it, you're going to die an early death as a result of your
"vaccination."
The objective evidence shows very clearly the opposite. Those who vaccinate have *much* better health outcomes.
I'm done either way. I have no reason to read your or Carlos's posts
anymore.
Agreed. You have no interest in learning. You only wish to promote harmful and potentially deadly misinformation. You and people like you are responsible for the deaths of children from measles in Texas. Remember measles had been completely eradicated in many countries for decades until the likes of you convinced people to stop vaccinating their kids.
I hope your god passes the appropriate judgment on you when the time comes.
Its even worse than that.
Nobody on the adult operating system newsgroups brazenly denies EU rules exist.
You are a snit.
What I don't understand is that you claim because you didn't read the links >>I posted a hundred times already, that you won't believe it until I post >>the reference links a hundred and one times? A hundred and two times?
How many times do I have to post a reference before you click on it?
I am not "Chris", snit, and your links don't prove your claim.
you only post links to forum/usenet discussions. Not a single
credible site, like for example the BBC.
No, he does NOT get that.
He actually thinks that pointing out HIS OWN claims made elsewhere is
"supporting" his claims here. That is truly pathetic. Circular logic much?
That's because like most dimwits,
On Sun, 25 May 2025 15:54:52 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
No, he does NOT get that.
For decades, the Apple trolls have done what you're doing, Tyrone.
There's got to be twenty or thirty references in those links.
And certainly those links prove we've discussed this *for years*.
And yet, you Apple trolls literally deny that the EU rules exist.
Even though they go into effect in less than a month, Tyrone.
That's not normal behavior, Tyrone.
It's the behavior of an Apple troll.
No adult would claim facts explained in a link can't possibly exist simply because he didn't bother to click on those links to read the references.
Worse....
No adult would claim, as you did, that the EU rules don't exist,
especially when it's public knowledge they go into effect on June 20th.
On Sun, 25 May 2025 16:01:35 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
Its even worse than that.
Tyrone,
There's got to be twenty to thirty reference links in those post, and, a simple "EU Battery Rules" search shows they go into effect June 20th.
For you Apple trolls to claim these rules don't exist, is absurd.
On Sun, 25 May 2025 12:33:54 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
you only post links to forum/usenet discussions. Not a single
credible site, like for example the BBC.
Jesus Christ. Are you Alan Baker's offspring Carlos?
Alan Baker has often said that it's impossible for facts to be found from a link because if he doesn't click on the link - the link isn't the fact.
Deny everything. Don't click on anything.
Claim it can't exist if you never click on any reference links.
Who is that stupid?
Nobody right?
And yet, Carlos is.
No adult would dare look like a fool by doing what you just did.
No one has denied that an EU rule exists
On Sun, 25 May 2025 06:45:03 -0500, chrisv wrote :
Nobody on the adult operating system newsgroups brazenly denies EU rules exist.
You are a snit.
You brazenly denied what is extremely well known to be public since it involves an EU ruling which about battery life that Apple had to ask the EU to postpone so that Apple could make at least one iPhone that (barely) met minimum battery-life standards - and - after you denying this extremely
well known public information - you demanded that I back it up - which
takes two seconds to find (more to copy and paste) to make your life easy.
You've never shown that any iPhone's batteries were actually incapable
of meeting the standard,
You'll do anything to defend your Apple God, to the death.
You Apple trolls have no morals.
On this Mon, 26 May 2025 13:47:50 -0700, Alan wrote:
No one has denied that an EU rule exists
You did. All you apple trolls did. Many times.
On 2025-05-26, Charlie <charlie@nospam.com> wrote:Oh! Did "Charlie" reply to me.
On this Mon, 26 May 2025 13:47:50 -0700, Alan wrote:
No one has denied that an EU rule exists
You did. All you apple trolls did. Many times.
Such weak lies. Your trolls are as weak as your intellect.
EOD
Alan wrote on 26/5/2025 :
You've never shown that any iPhone's batteries were actually incapable
of meeting the standard,
It's public information which iPhones meet the EU's minimum battery life standards because Apple had to submit a formal letter declaring so.
Do you even know which ones Apple said met the EU's minimum standard?
And by how much?
Tell us what you know.
(If no useful response, then we know the sum total of what you know.)
On Sun, 25 May 2025 06:45:03 -0500, chrisv wrote :
Nobody on the adult operating system newsgroups brazenly denies EU rules exist.
You are a snit.
You brazenly denied what is extremely well known to be public since it involves an EU ruling which about battery life that Apple had to ask the EU to postpone so that Apple could make at least one iPhone that (barely) met minimum battery-life standards - and - after you denying this extremely
well known public information - you demanded that I back it up - which
takes two seconds to find (more to copy and paste) to make your life easy.
On 25 May 2025 18:47:51 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
He actually thinks that pointing out HIS OWN claims made elsewhere isThat's because like most dimwits,
"supporting" his claims here. That is truly pathetic. Circular logic much? >>
Jolly Roger,
No adult would dare look like a fool by doing what you just did.
There are ten, twenty, maybe thirty articles referenced in those links.
On Sun, 25 May 2025 12:33:54 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
you only post links to forum/usenet discussions. Not a single
credible site, like for example the BBC.
Jesus Christ. Are you Alan Baker's offspring Carlos?
Alan Baker has often said that it's impossible for facts to be found from a link because if he doesn't click on the link - the link isn't the fact.
Who is that incredibly stupid, Carlos?
chrisv wrote :
Marion wrote:
Nobody on the adult operating system newsgroups brazenly denies EU rules exist.
You are a snit.
You brazenly denied (snipped, unread)
On 2025-05-26 22:39, Marion wrote:
On 25 May 2025 18:47:51 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
He actually thinks that pointing out HIS OWN claims made elsewhere isThat's because like most dimwits,
"supporting" his claims here. That is truly pathetic. Circular logic much? >>>
Jolly Roger,
No adult would dare look like a fool by doing what you just did.
There are ten, twenty, maybe thirty articles referenced in those links.
Links to Usenet conversations by you are not valid sources. You have to
post links to external media, like the BBC.
If everybody knows, surely you can find a single valid link and post it.
I searched, found none.
post one *valid* link to a media such as the BBC
I have also searched. There is no such story anywhere about Apple batteries not meeting EU standards. All I find is stories about REPLACING batteries.
There are ten, twenty, maybe thirty articles referenced in those links.
Links to Usenet conversations by you are not valid sources. You have to
post links to external media, like the BBC.
If everybody knows, surely you can find a single valid link and post it.
I searched, found none.
And yet it's "Marion" who's losing debates with the "Apple trolls",
W dniu 17.05.2025 o 01:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro pisze:
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
BTW: Tell me why above URL link is quoted with < > (triangle brackets)?
I use duckduckgo.com and gibiru.com search engines in order to find
answer to this question (my search phrase was: "usenet properly insert
url link"), but I simply failed. Thanks in advance.
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week <https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
On Tue, 27 May 2025 14:59:54 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
I have also searched. There is no such story anywhere about Apple batteries >> not meeting EU standards. All I find is stories about REPLACING batteries.
You Apple trolls, including Carlos, are idiots (or liars). Pick one.
This has been big news since 2022, where we discussed this many times. https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/european-union-phones-battery-repair-parts-apple-samsung-google/
In 2022, every Apple phone failed the EU's minimum life standard.
You can prove that fact for yourself by just asking one question.
Q: What iPhones CAN NOT be sold in the EU after June 20th 2025?
(due to not meeting the EU's minimum battery life standards)
A: ?
HINT: I know the answer. Apple published it. But do YOU know that answer?
And yes, I'm well aware of *how* it "barely met" that new standard! https://www.fudzilla.com/news/mobile/58502-apple-fiddles-with-its-battery-lifespan-adverts-to-dodge-eu-rules
On Tue, 27 May 2025 13:24:11 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
post one *valid* link to a media such as the BBC
Why can't you find what everyone who isn't an idiot, already knows? https://www.fudzilla.com/news/mobile/58502-apple-fiddles-with-its-battery-lifespan-adverts-to-dodge-eu-rules
I already posted 30 of them, Carlos, you moron! https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+iphone+fails+eu+battery+life+regulations
If you can't click on those 30 links, what good is giving you 31 links? https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A52020PC0798
If you won't click on 31 links, what happens if I give you 32 links? https://energy-efficient-products.ec.europa.eu/product-list/smartphones-and-tablets_en
Or 33 links, Carlos? https://www.gsmarena.com/smartphones_and_tablets_to_get_a_new_label_in_june_indicating_battery_life_and_efficiency-news-67455.php
Or 34 links, Carlos? https://www.enhesa.com/resources/article/batteries-101-eu-regulations/
Please let me know the secret number of links you need to be posted before you'll ever bother to click on a single one of them, Carlos.
On Tue, 27 May 2025 13:21:30 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
There are ten, twenty, maybe thirty articles referenced in those links.
Links to Usenet conversations by you are not valid sources. You have to
post links to external media, like the BBC.
If everybody knows, surely you can find a single valid link and post it.
I searched, found none.
Carlos,
Jesus Christ. You're an idiot. https://www.fudzilla.com/news/mobile/58502-apple-fiddles-with-its-battery-lifespan-adverts-to-dodge-eu-rules
You searched and found none? https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+iphone+fails+eu+battery+life+regulations
Seriously?
I found scores when I searched.
Am I really ten thousand times smarter than you are, Carlos? https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A52020PC0798
Do you even realize how stupid you are?
Have you never even once in your life ever read the news, Carlos? https://energy-efficient-products.ec.europa.eu/product-list/smartphones-and-tablets_en
Nobody but an idiot would say a link to the references is not a link to the references. Just you. And the Apple trolls. You're denying 1+2=2. https://www.gsmarena.com/smartphones_and_tablets_to_get_a_new_label_in_june_indicating_battery_life_and_efficiency-news-67455.php
Who does that? https://www.gsmarena.com/smartphones_and_tablets_to_get_a_new_label_in_june_indicating_battery_life_and_efficiency-news-67455.php
Everyone else would click on the article which contains the links and then they'd click on the links and then they'd read them. Like a normal adult.
But you're NOT a normal person, Carlos.
You're an idiot.
What do I have to do to get you to click on the references?
1. Please give me your home address.
2. I'll print the referenced articles (BBC & others)
3. I'll have singers deliver it to your door, in person, & read it to you.
Only an idiot would say a bibliography doesn't contain references.
Just because he never clicked on the links in the bibliography.
This idiot wants me to prove what is in the news, every single day.
Who is that stupid?
On May 27, 2025 at 7:21:30?AM EDT, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:[...]
Links to Usenet conversations by you are not valid sources. You have to post links to external media, like the BBC.
If everybody knows, surely you can find a single valid link and post it.
I searched, found none.
I have also searched. There is no such story anywhere about Apple batteries not meeting EU standards. All I find is stories about REPLACING batteries.
The fact that the only source Arlen has is Arlen and his fellow Apple-hating trolls (Andrew and Ant) making this claim, is all we need to know.
On 2025-05-27 17:29, Marion wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2025 13:21:30 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
There are ten, twenty, maybe thirty articles referenced in those links. >>>Links to Usenet conversations by you are not valid sources. You have to
post links to external media, like the BBC.
If everybody knows, surely you can find a single valid link and post it. >>>
I searched, found none.
Carlos,
Jesus Christ. You're an idiot.
https://www.fudzilla.com/news/mobile/58502-apple-fiddles-with-its-battery-lifespan-adverts-to-dodge-eu-rules
Suspect site. Not even listed in Wikipedia.
You searched and found none?
https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+iphone+fails+eu+battery+life+regulations
Seriously?
I found scores when I searched.
Am I really ten thousand times smarter than you are, Carlos?
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A52020PC0798
Where does it say that Apple batteries failed the testing? The word
"Apple" does not even appear in that page.
Do you even realize how stupid you are?
Have you never even once in your life ever read the news, Carlos?
https://energy-efficient-products.ec.europa.eu/product-list/smartphones-and-tablets_en
Where does it say that Apple batteries failed the testing? The word
"Apple" does not even appear in that page.
Nobody but an idiot would say a link to the references is not a link to the >> references. Just you. And the Apple trolls. You're denying 1+2=2.
https://www.gsmarena.com/smartphones_and_tablets_to_get_a_new_label_in_june_indicating_battery_life_and_efficiency-news-67455.php
Where does it say that Apple batteries failed the testing? The word
"Apple" does not even appear in that page, only in comments.
Who does that?
https://www.gsmarena.com/smartphones_and_tablets_to_get_a_new_label_in_june_indicating_battery_life_and_efficiency-news-67455.php
Repeated link that does not comply.
Everyone else would click on the article which contains the links and then >> they'd click on the links and then they'd read them. Like a normal adult.
But you're NOT a normal person, Carlos.
You're an idiot.
What do I have to do to get you to click on the references?
1. Please give me your home address.
2. I'll print the referenced articles (BBC & others)
3. I'll have singers deliver it to your door, in person, & read it to you.
Don't be stupid. Just post the links here, in public, saying that Apple batteries failed the EU testing. There must be many. It is your claim.
You do not even post your real name, and you want me to post my address?
Are you daft? What a cheek!
Only an idiot would say a bibliography doesn't contain references.
Just because he never clicked on the links in the bibliography.
This idiot wants me to prove what is in the news, every single day.
Who is that stupid?
YOU.
It is your claim, and you still have failed to post a single reputable link.
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On May 27, 2025 at 7:21:30?AM EDT, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>[...]
wrote:
Links to Usenet conversations by you are not valid sources. You have to
post links to external media, like the BBC.
If everybody knows, surely you can find a single valid link and post it. >>>
I searched, found none.
I have also searched. There is no such story anywhere about Apple batteries >> not meeting EU standards. All I find is stories about REPLACING batteries. >>
The fact that the only source Arlen has is Arlen and his fellow Apple-hating >> trolls (Andrew and Ant) making this claim, is all we need to know.
FTR, 'Andrew' *is* 'Arlen' (et al, some 100 of them).
As to 'Ant', I've never seen him post Apple bashing stuff, but I don't subscribe to the Apple groups and see only crossposted stuff from there.
[...]
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On May 27, 2025 at 7:21:30?AM EDT, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>[...]
wrote:
Links to Usenet conversations by you are not valid sources. You have to
post links to external media, like the BBC.
If everybody knows, surely you can find a single valid link and post it. >>>
I searched, found none.
I have also searched. There is no such story anywhere about Apple batteries >> not meeting EU standards. All I find is stories about REPLACING batteries. >>
The fact that the only source Arlen has is Arlen and his fellow Apple-hating >> trolls (Andrew and Ant) making this claim, is all we need to know.
FTR, 'Andrew' *is* 'Arlen' (et al, some 100 of them).
On May 27, 2025 at 1:50:14 PM EDT, "Frank Slootweg" <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On May 27, 2025 at 7:21:30?AM EDT, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>[...]
wrote:
Links to Usenet conversations by you are not valid sources. You have to >>>> post links to external media, like the BBC.
If everybody knows, surely you can find a single valid link and post it. >>>>
I searched, found none.
I have also searched. There is no such story anywhere about Apple batteries >>> not meeting EU standards. All I find is stories about REPLACING batteries. >>>
The fact that the only source Arlen has is Arlen and his fellow Apple-hating
trolls (Andrew and Ant) making this claim, is all we need to know.
FTR, 'Andrew' *is* 'Arlen' (et al, some 100 of them).
I thought that was true, but was not sure. So that means that Arlen is talking to himself on "Novabbs", which he links to here as evidence that his claims are true.
A new low has been reached for this clown.
On May 27, 2025 at 1:24:52 PM EDT, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:
On 2025-05-27 17:29, Marion wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2025 13:21:30 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
It is your claim, and you still have failed to post a single reputable link.
Why am I not surprised at this. Yet ANOTHER Arlen claim with bogus links to "prove" his claim.
As always, he posts LOTS of links. But he clearly does not bother to read the
links.
I don't subscribe to the Apple groups
On 2025-05-27 23:10, Tyrone wrote:
On May 27, 2025 at 1:24:52 PM EDT, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:
On 2025-05-27 17:29, Marion wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2025 13:21:30 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
...
It is your claim, and you still have failed to post a single reputable link.
Why am I not surprised at this. Yet ANOTHER Arlen claim with bogus links to >> "prove" his claim.
As always, he posts LOTS of links. But he clearly does not bother to read the
links.
He is posting links to pages with tons of pdf documents from the EU,
which probably are about the EU regulations on phones and batteries,
which nobody is disputing. There are regulations. But the EU has not
said yet that Apple batteries fail the tests. That would be in a single
PDF. He only has to find that one and post that one. If it exists. And
he claims that everybody knows it, so according to him it should be
trivial to find. I'm not going to do the searching for his claim.
And then asking for my postal address to send me printed materials. What
a cheek! He hides behind false names which he rotates, and then wants my
true postal address.
On 27 May 2025 17:50:14 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :
I don't subscribe to the Apple groups
Frank,
None of the Apple trolls knows anything about Apple products, so if you
think they do, then I'm telling you - they know absolutely nothing because they're all denying that the EU battery-life rules exist - which is absurd.
And they're denying that we discussed this for years - which we did - so that's their absurd way of hoping to dear God the facts would go away.
Worse, by denying the facts, they're essentially claiming all Apple iPhones *passed* the minimum-life EU standards - which is patently false.
I often post the facts to the Apple groups, so I'm aware of all the Apple trolls who hate, in this case, Apple can't sell any iPhone in the EU after the 20th of June 2025 that Apple can't certify the battery meets the *bare* minimum life standards (which are basic tests common to batteries).
The fact is all they need to do is try to buy an iPhone 14 or older in the
EU after next month, and they'll find that they're banned from sales for
the reason that Apple can't certify they meet the minimum-life standards.
Apple's submission of the phones that meet the standards is a matter of public record so it's classic the trolls deny that these records exist.
For an Apple troll, remaining ignorant is part of their strategy since they can brazenly deny everything that they don't bother to read up about.Oh, look! Another claim you can't substantiate!
Even though this has been discussed for years on the Apple newsgroups,
and even as it's a matter of public record anyone who knows anything about Apple has been aware of for years.
Anyway, suffice to say, the fact Apple is banned from selling iPhones with substandard batteries in the EU is a good thing - so we should all rejoice.
Note that most Androids easily double the minimum battery-life EU standard.
HINT: Just try to buy one of the banned iPhones after June 20th, 2025. :)
In 2022, every Apple phone failed the EU's minimum life standard.
Are you insane? How do phones fail a regulation from THREE YEARS into the future?
Do you expect Apple to have a time machine?
All of this are merely signs of desperation. He has been caught - again - lying.
You have
a known fobia of Apple
Just one, that directly says "Apple batteries failed EU testing", from a reputable source.
On Tue, 27 May 2025 19:13:22 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
You have
a known fobia of Apple
Phobia? Fear? Do you want to know how many Apple devices I own, Carlos?
Do you want to know what I do with them, Carlos?
I'm not afraid of them, Carlos.
I test the damn things.
HINT: Just try to buy one of the banned iPhones after June 20th, 2025. 🙂
On 2025-05-27 18:42, Marion wrote:
On 27 May 2025 17:50:14 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :
I don't subscribe to the Apple groups
Frank,
Worse, by denying the facts, they're essentially claiming all Apple
iPhones
*passed* the minimum-life EU standards - which is patently false.
Literally no one has made that claim.
You mean like the "fact" that iOS can't possibly have an SMB server app...
I often post the facts to the Apple groups, so I'm aware of all
the Apple trolls who hate, in this case, Apple can't sell any
iPhone in the EU after the 20th of June 2025 that Apple can't
certify the battery meets the *bare* minimum life standards (which
are basic tests common to batteries).>
...because it can't possibly let a user app use a port below 1025?
Or like the "fact" that racing cars go around corners on a catenary curve?
The fact is all they need to do is try to buy an iPhone 14 or
older in the EU after next month, and they'll find that they're
banned from sales for the reason that Apple can't certify they
meet the minimum-life standards.
Simpleton: iPhones older than the iPhone 15 haven't been sold by in the
EU since they introduced the mandatory USB-C charging port.
Apple's submission of the phones that meet the standards is a matter of
public record so it's classic the trolls deny that these records exist.
And yet you cannot produce this record.
Even though this has been discussed for years on the Apple newsgroups,
and even as it's a matter of public record anyone who knows anything
about Apple has been aware of for years.
Anyway, suffice to say, the fact Apple is banned from selling
iPhones with substandard batteries in the EU is a good thing - so
we should all rejoice.
Oh, look! Another claim you can't substantiate!
Note that most Androids easily double the minimum battery-life EU
standard.
HINT: Just try to buy one of the banned iPhones after June 20th, 2025. :)
On May 27, 2025 at 8:46:16 PM EDT, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:
On 2025-05-27 23:10, Tyrone wrote:
On May 27, 2025 at 1:24:52 PM EDT, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:
On 2025-05-27 17:29, Marion wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2025 13:21:30 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
...
It is your claim, and you still have failed to post a single reputable link.
Why am I not surprised at this. Yet ANOTHER Arlen claim with bogus links to >>> "prove" his claim.
As always, he posts LOTS of links. But he clearly does not bother to read the
links.
He is posting links to pages with tons of pdf documents from the EU,
which probably are about the EU regulations on phones and batteries,
which nobody is disputing. There are regulations. But the EU has not
said yet that Apple batteries fail the tests. That would be in a single
PDF. He only has to find that one and post that one. If it exists. And
he claims that everybody knows it, so according to him it should be
trivial to find. I'm not going to do the searching for his claim.
And then asking for my postal address to send me printed materials. What
a cheek! He hides behind false names which he rotates, and then wants my
true postal address.
All of this are merely signs of desperation. He has been caught - again - lying.
Anyway, let's just wait until June 20th, and you'll see I'm right since I happen to read the news and we've discussed this problem for years, Carlos.
On Wed, 28 May 2025 02:17:40 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
All of this are merely signs of desperation. He has been caught - again - >> lying.
Heh heh heh.... let's wait for June 20th, "Tyrone", shall we.... :)
On 2025-05-27 19:50, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On May 27, 2025 at 7:21:30?AM EDT, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>[...]
wrote:
Links to Usenet conversations by you are not valid sources. You have to >>> post links to external media, like the BBC.
If everybody knows, surely you can find a single valid link and post it. >>>
I searched, found none.
I have also searched. There is no such story anywhere about Apple batteries
not meeting EU standards. All I find is stories about REPLACING batteries. >>
The fact that the only source Arlen has is Arlen and his fellow Apple-hating
trolls (Andrew and Ant) making this claim, is all we need to know.
FTR, 'Andrew' *is* 'Arlen' (et al, some 100 of them).
As to 'Ant', I've never seen him post Apple bashing stuff, but I don't subscribe to the Apple groups and see only crossposted stuff from there.
[...]
I don't see Andrew[s] in the windows-11 mail list since past November. I don't know if "he" has posted on some other group.
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2025 21:13:16 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
In 2022, every Apple phone failed the EU's minimum life standard.
Are you insane? How do phones fail a regulation from THREE YEARS into the >>> future?
Do you expect Apple to have a time machine?
Why do most Android phones easily meet & double the specs, Chris?
Provide a list of all androids that were being sold in 2022 and identify those that meet the 2025 battery spec. Then we'll see if it is "most" or
not.
I bet you will not do this because you have no interest in being critical
of android.
Anyway, wait until June 20th, and then you can start whining that the big
ole' mean EU is banning sales of all Apple phones below the iPhone 15
How can the EU ban the sale of products that *are not for sale*?! The sum total of phones sold in the EU are: iphone 15 (and Plus), 16 (Plus), 16e,
16 Pro (Max).
The 14 was already banned in Dec 2024 due to not having USB-C.
Why do you even care what the EU does? It will categorically have no impact on you. Nor me, in fact.
Here's a challenge to you, today. Given you predicted bans for Apple,
predict which androids on sale now that will still be available within the
EU on 21st June. I dare you.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-27 19:50, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On May 27, 2025 at 7:21:30?AM EDT, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>[...]
wrote:
Links to Usenet conversations by you are not valid sources. You have to >>> post links to external media, like the BBC.
If everybody knows, surely you can find a single valid link and post it.
I searched, found none.
I have also searched. There is no such story anywhere about Apple batteries
not meeting EU standards. All I find is stories about REPLACING batteries.
The fact that the only source Arlen has is Arlen and his fellow Apple-hating
trolls (Andrew and Ant) making this claim, is all we need to know.
FTR, 'Andrew' *is* 'Arlen' (et al, some 100 of them).
As to 'Ant', I've never seen him post Apple bashing stuff, but I don't subscribe to the Apple groups and see only crossposted stuff from there.
[...]
I don't see Andrew[s] in the windows-11 mail list since past November. I don't know if "he" has posted on some other group.
He ('Andrew[s]' with multiple (fake) email addresses) has been posting
in comp.mobile.android and probably crossposted to Apple groups.
As my sorted-by-name filter log is sorted on DD.MM.YYYY and can't be
easily copied to a text file, it's hard to tell when he last posted in
2025 with those nyms.
But a quick perusal indicates that 'Andrew[s]' probably stopped on
about January 3 and 'Marion' appeared on or before January 9.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-27 19:50, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On May 27, 2025 at 7:21:30?AM EDT, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>[...]
wrote:
Links to Usenet conversations by you are not valid sources. You have to >>>>> post links to external media, like the BBC.
If everybody knows, surely you can find a single valid link and post it. >>>>>
I searched, found none.
I have also searched. There is no such story anywhere about Apple batteries
not meeting EU standards. All I find is stories about REPLACING batteries. >>>>
The fact that the only source Arlen has is Arlen and his fellow Apple-hating
trolls (Andrew and Ant) making this claim, is all we need to know.
FTR, 'Andrew' *is* 'Arlen' (et al, some 100 of them).
As to 'Ant', I've never seen him post Apple bashing stuff, but I don't >>> subscribe to the Apple groups and see only crossposted stuff from there. >>>
[...]
I don't see Andrew[s] in the windows-11 mail list since past November. I
don't know if "he" has posted on some other group.
He ('Andrew[s]' with multiple (fake) email addresses) has been posting
in comp.mobile.android and probably crossposted to Apple groups.
As my sorted-by-name filter log is sorted on DD.MM.YYYY and can't be easily copied to a text file, it's hard to tell when he last posted in
2025 with those nyms.
But a quick perusal indicates that 'Andrew[s]' probably stopped on
about January 3 and 'Marion' appeared on or before January 9.
On 2025-05-28 03:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Or like the "fact" that racing cars go around corners on a catenary
curve?
Oh, he said that too? 😂
Yup.
He declared that I couldn't possibly race cars or teach racing, because
HE claimed that everyone "knows" that cars going through a corner do so
on a trajectory that's a catenary curve.
I scoured the net, and the ONLY reference to a "catenary" in relation to racing "cars" was a set of plans for the race track used for racing
model cars made out of wood.
The truth is that I took my first road racing school in 2012 at Laguna
Seca with Skip Barber.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSuxx6GFjnc>
Took two additional advanced courses with them; one at Laguna and one at Sebring.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCRWoMTRwOc>
Won a place in their 2012 "IndyCar Academy Shootout", where I was the
oldest competitor by 12 years at age 51:
<https://www.skipbarber.com/2013/01/16/skip-barber-racing-school- indycar-academy-field/>
(Yes: the 2012 competition ended up being held in January of 2013).
Started racing my own Formula Ford in 2013.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_faLq9Ey5no>
Was invited to join the Race Drivers Committee at the end of 2016, and
have been teaching racing to new racers from then until now, including chairing the committee in 2023.
<https://web.archive.org/web/20230406073251/https://www.sccbc.net/about- sccbc/race-drivers/>
<https://www.sccbc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/dt-7-scaled-1800x650.jpg> (That's me in the grey cap next to the front wheel of our pace car.
He also decided I couldn't possibly own the 2012 BMW 135i M Sport I
drive...
...because I'd never cared enough to learn that people use the slang
terms "bimmer" and "beemer" differently to indicate either BMW's bikes
or cars (or cars and bikes—I still don't care enough to remember which
term is used for which 😉)
Now I realize that this isn't really of much interest (or ANY interest
if I'm honest) to you, Carlos...
...but if you wouldn't mind replying to it just so Arlen can see and I
can rub his face in it a bit more that would be great.
😎
On 2025-05-28 03:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Or like the "fact" that racing cars go around corners on a catenary
curve?
Oh, he said that too? 😂
Yup.
He declared that I couldn't possibly race cars or teach racing, because
HE claimed that everyone "knows" that cars going through a corner do so
on a trajectory that's a catenary curve.
I scoured the net, and the ONLY reference to a "catenary" in relation to racing "cars" was a set of plans for the race track used for racing
model cars made out of wood.
On Wed, 28 May 2025 02:17:40 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
All of this are merely signs of desperation. He has been caught - again - >> lying.
Heh heh heh.... let's wait for June 20th, "Tyrone", shall we.... :)
Are you going to apologize after June 20th when every existing iPhone model other than the 15 and 16 are banned for sale in the EU due to the fact none of them meet the bare minimum lifetime battery spec?
BTW.... Chris whined, like a girl, that Apple can't predict the future... which is classic Apple trolls whining that poor ole' Apple is being forced
to meet bare-minimum lifetime standards...
But get this...
My 2021 free ($180 MSRP at the time) Samsung Galaxy A-series *doubles* that minimum lifetime specification... fancy that.
Nobody whines that Samsung doesn't meet bare-minimum lifetime specs.
Only the Apple trolls whine about that.
Ever wonder why?
HINT: Apple iPhone batteries are known world wide to be garbage. Paradoxically, the iPad batteries aren't. Fancy that fact.
Or like the "fact" that racing cars go around corners on a catenary
curve?
Oh, he said that too? 😂
On Tue, 27 May 2025 19:29:53 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote :
Just one, that directly says "Apple batteries failed EU testing", from a
reputable source.
Chris whined that Apple can't predict the future... which is classic Apple trolls whining that poor ole' Apple is being forced to meet bare-minimum lifetime standards because Apple puts garbage batteries into the iPhone..
But get this...
My 2021 free ($180 MSRP at the time) Samsung Galaxy A-series *doubles* that minimum lifetime specification... fancy that.
Why?
(HINT: Look at the battery capacity. Compare to an iPhone.)
Anyway, let's just wait until June 20th, and you'll see I'm right since I happen to read the news and we've discussed this problem for years, Carlos.
If I'm wrong - I'll gladly apologize.
But I ask the Apple trolls, one by one, to humbly apologize if they're
wrong. What's fair is fair.
Let's table this until June 20th when the Apple trolls start crying that no Apple iPhone ever made prior to the iPhone 15 meets the bare minimum life specs that my phone doubles, even as my phone costs ~$180 MSRP and was so cheap that T-Mobile gave it to me for free in 2021 - and it still doubles
the minimum lifetime specs.
On Wed, 28 May 2025 02:17:40 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
All of this are merely signs of desperation. He has been caught - again - >> lying.
Heh heh heh.... let's wait for June 20th, "Tyrone", shall we.... :)
Are you going to apologize after June 20th when every existing iPhone model other than the 15 and 16 are banned for sale in the EU due to the fact none of them meet the bare minimum lifetime battery spec?
On 2025-05-28 11:52, Marion wrote:
Anyway, let's just wait until June 20th, and you'll see I'm right since I
happen to read the news and we've discussed this problem for years,
Carlos.
No.
You claimed that the batteries are known to fail the test. Not that they
will fail and be banned in the future. You said that they fail now.
Prove it.
You have to post a single line link to the official PDF of the test. ONE LINE.
Or a link to a reputable source saying that.
Else, you lied. Once again.
On May 28, 2025 at 5:31:56 AM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 02:17:40 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
All of this are merely signs of desperation. He has been caught - again - >>> lying.
Heh heh heh.... let's wait for June 20th, "Tyrone", shall we.... :)
Are you going to apologize after June 20th when every existing iPhone model >> other than the 15 and 16 are banned for sale in the EU due to the fact none >> of them meet the bare minimum lifetime battery spec?
The only existing iPhone models for sale RIGHT NOW are the 15 and the 16. Older models are - or course - no longer available.
WTF are you talking about?
On 2025-05-28 22:56, Tyrone wrote:
On May 28, 2025 at 5:31:56?AM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 02:17:40 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
All of this are merely signs of desperation. He has been caught - again -
lying.
Heh heh heh.... let's wait for June 20th, "Tyrone", shall we.... :)
Are you going to apologize after June 20th when every existing iPhone model
other than the 15 and 16 are banned for sale in the EU due to the fact none
of them meet the bare minimum lifetime battery spec?
The only existing iPhone models for sale RIGHT NOW are the 15 and the 16. Older models are - or course - no longer available.
WTF are you talking about?
Hum. I looked at an electronic supermarket, and I see other models on
sale, like the iphone 14, even the iphone 7 for 79.12?. It is not new,
but reconditioned. Still that comes with a warranty of two years, I believe.
<https://www.mediamarkt.es/es/brand/apple/iphone?filter=model:iPhone%207&filter=brand:APPLE>
On Apple itself I see the 15 and the 16, but I don't see how to pan the
page to the right and see the rest of the offerings.
<https://www.apple.com/es/shop/buy-iphone>
On 2025-05-28 17:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-27 19:50, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On May 27, 2025 at 7:21:30?AM EDT, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>[...]
wrote:
Links to Usenet conversations by you are not valid sources. You have to >>>>> post links to external media, like the BBC.
If everybody knows, surely you can find a single valid link and post it.
I searched, found none.
I have also searched. There is no such story anywhere about Apple
batteries not meeting EU standards. All I find is stories about
REPLACING batteries.
The fact that the only source Arlen has is Arlen and his fellow
Apple-hating trolls (Andrew and Ant) making this claim, is all we
need to know.
FTR, 'Andrew' *is* 'Arlen' (et al, some 100 of them).
As to 'Ant', I've never seen him post Apple bashing stuff, but I
don't subscribe to the Apple groups and see only crossposted stuff
from there.
[...]
I don't see Andrew[s] in the windows-11 mail list since past November. I >> don't know if "he" has posted on some other group.
He ('Andrew[s]' with multiple (fake) email addresses) has been posting in comp.mobile.android and probably crossposted to Apple groups.
Yes. I know that. But not in the windows-11 group.
So I did not see why you were talking of him in this thread.
Then I
figured it might be the Arlen alias used in the posts he linked to when
we demanded proof.
As my sorted-by-name filter log is sorted on DD.MM.YYYY and can't be easily copied to a text file, it's hard to tell when he last posted in
2025 with those nyms.
But a quick perusal indicates that 'Andrew[s]' probably stopped on
about January 3 and 'Marion' appeared on or before January 9.
On 2025-05-28 03:58, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-28 11:52, Marion wrote:
Anyway, let's just wait until June 20th, and you'll see I'm right
since I happen to read the news and we've discussed this problem for
years, Carlos.
No.
You claimed that the batteries are known to fail the test. Not that
they will fail and be banned in the future. You said that they fail
now.
Prove it.
You have to post a single line link to the official PDF of the test.
ONE LINE.
Or a link to a reputable source saying that.
Else, you lied. Once again.
For the record, I've owned my iPhone 16 since December of last year.
It has completed 89 charging cycles--so more than 10% of the 800 that
Arlen is touting, and the "Maximum Capacity"...
...is still 100%.
:-)
On 27 May 2025 17:50:14 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :
HINT: Just try to buy one of the banned iPhones after June 20th, 2025. :)
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-28 22:56, Tyrone wrote:
On May 28, 2025 at 5:31:56?AM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 02:17:40 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
All of this are merely signs of desperation. He has been caught
- again - lying.
Heh heh heh.... let's wait for June 20th, "Tyrone", shall we.... :)
Are you going to apologize after June 20th when every existing
iPhone model other than the 15 and 16 are banned for sale in the
EU due to the fact none of them meet the bare minimum lifetime
battery spec?
The only existing iPhone models for sale RIGHT NOW are the 15 and
the 16. Older models are - or course - no longer available.
WTF are you talking about?
Hum. I looked at an electronic supermarket, and I see other models
on sale, like the iphone 14, even the iphone 7 for 79.12?. It is
not new, but reconditioned. Still that comes with a warranty of two
years, I believe.
<https://www.mediamarkt.es/es/brand/apple/iphone?filter=model:iPhone%207&filter=brand:APPLE>
Indeed, major webshops like MediaMarkt and my favorite Coolblue.nl (website also available in English (see upper-right)), sell the iPhone 13 and 14, new not refurbished.
Will the regulation affect these? I think it's targeted at manufacturers,
not retailers, so I suspect they will still be on sale.
Actually, it must be because otherwise the retailers will be breaching the regulation on USB-C charging.
On 28/05/2025 11:42 am, Marion wrote:
On 27 May 2025 17:50:14 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :
<Snip>
HINT: Just try to buy one of the banned iPhones after June 20th, 2025. :)Is this all part of Apples plan .... after June 20 no-one will be able
to buy an old (pre 14) Apple phone ... so Apple will ONLY have to
support the new version phones!
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-28 22:56, Tyrone wrote:
On May 28, 2025 at 5:31:56?AM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:
Hum. I looked at an electronic supermarket, and I see other models on
sale, like the iphone 14, even the iphone 7 for 79.12?. It is not new,
but reconditioned. Still that comes with a warranty of two years, I believe.
<https://www.mediamarkt.es/es/brand/apple/iphone?filter=model:iPhone%207&filter=brand:APPLE>
Indeed, major webshops like MediaMarkt and my favorite Coolblue.nl
(website also available in English (see upper-right)), sell the iPhone 13
and 14, new not refurbished.
Will the regulation affect these? I think it's targeted at manufacturers,
not retailers, so I suspect they will still be on sale.
Actually, it must be because otherwise the retailers will be breaching the regulation on USB-C charging.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-28 17:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-27 19:50, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On May 27, 2025 at 7:21:30?AM EDT, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>[...]
wrote:
Links to Usenet conversations by you are not valid sources. You have to >>>>>>> post links to external media, like the BBC.
If everybody knows, surely you can find a single valid link and post it.
I searched, found none.
I have also searched. There is no such story anywhere about Apple
batteries not meeting EU standards. All I find is stories about
REPLACING batteries.
The fact that the only source Arlen has is Arlen and his fellow
Apple-hating trolls (Andrew and Ant) making this claim, is all we
need to know.
FTR, 'Andrew' *is* 'Arlen' (et al, some 100 of them).
As to 'Ant', I've never seen him post Apple bashing stuff, but I
don't subscribe to the Apple groups and see only crossposted stuff
from there.
[...]
I don't see Andrew[s] in the windows-11 mail list since past November. I >>>> don't know if "he" has posted on some other group.
He ('Andrew[s]' with multiple (fake) email addresses) has been posting >>> in comp.mobile.android and probably crossposted to Apple groups.
Yes. I know that. But not in the windows-11 group.
So I did not see why you were talking of him in this thread.
I talked about him, because Tyrone mentioned his name (see quotes
above) and explained "FTR, 'Andrew' *is* 'Arlen'...".
On 2025-05-28 22:15, Alan wrote:
On 2025-05-28 03:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Or like the "fact" that racing cars go around corners on a catenary
curve?
Oh, he said that too? 😂
Yup.
He declared that I couldn't possibly race cars or teach racing,
because HE claimed that everyone "knows" that cars going through a
corner do so on a trajectory that's a catenary curve.
I scoured the net, and the ONLY reference to a "catenary" in relation
to racing "cars" was a set of plans for the race track used for racing
model cars made out of wood.
The truth is that I took my first road racing school in 2012 at Laguna
Seca with Skip Barber.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSuxx6GFjnc>
Took two additional advanced courses with them; one at Laguna and one
at Sebring.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCRWoMTRwOc>
Won a place in their 2012 "IndyCar Academy Shootout", where I was the
oldest competitor by 12 years at age 51:
<https://www.skipbarber.com/2013/01/16/skip-barber-racing-school-
indycar-academy-field/>
(Yes: the 2012 competition ended up being held in January of 2013).
Started racing my own Formula Ford in 2013.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_faLq9Ey5no>
Was invited to join the Race Drivers Committee at the end of 2016, and
have been teaching racing to new racers from then until now, including
chairing the committee in 2023.
<https://web.archive.org/web/20230406073251/https://www.sccbc.net/
about- sccbc/race-drivers/>
<https://www.sccbc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/dt-7-
scaled-1800x650.jpg>
(That's me in the grey cap next to the front wheel of our pace car.
He also decided I couldn't possibly own the 2012 BMW 135i M Sport I
drive...
...because I'd never cared enough to learn that people use the slang
terms "bimmer" and "beemer" differently to indicate either BMW's bikes
or cars (or cars and bikes—I still don't care enough to remember which
term is used for which 😉)
Now I realize that this isn't really of much interest (or ANY interest
if I'm honest) to you, Carlos...
...but if you wouldn't mind replying to it just so Arlen can see and I
can rub his face in it a bit more that would be great.
😎
Done :-)
Charlie <charlie@nospam.com> wrote:
On this Mon, 26 May 2025 20:44:54 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote:
You'll do anything to defend your Apple God, to the death.
You Apple trolls have no morals.
Why do you correspond with those apple trolls.
They're apple trolls.
They're too stupid to reason with.
And yet it's "Marion" who's losing debates with the "Apple trolls",
I'm the first to attack Apple's products and management, but this BS
is so off-the-rails it's laughable, calling the iPhone a literal "dumb terminal" and whatnot, it's foolishness.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 07:57:02 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote :
Perhaps the only thing we can truly know is that we know nothing...
Speak for yourself.
Do you believe gravity is a force?
On Mon, 19 May 2025 16:51:22 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 07:57:02 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote :
Perhaps the only thing we can truly know is that we know nothing...
Speak for yourself.
Do you believe gravity is a force?
“Gravity” and “force” are just scientific terms that only derive meaning
from their use together in a coherent physical theory.
“Gravity” is just an old term for “heaviness”. As in:
Q: What makes things fall down?
A: Heaviness.
You see how that doesn’t really explain things on its own?
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