• Microsoft Still Trying To Turn Dimdows Into Linux

    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 28 23:46:06 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Microsoft is definitely suffering from Linux-envy. There are many
    parts to this envy, of course: one of them is package-manager-envy.
    Microsoft would dearly love for Windows to have a common architecture
    for installing and updating add-on packages, like most Linux distros
    do.

    But there are lots of obstacles to this in the proprietary-software
    world, not least of which is that the major proprietary-software
    developers would never agree to it, because they see it as a loss of
    control over their own Intellectual Property.

    <https://www.theverge.com/news/675446/microsoft-windows-update-all-apps-orchestration-platform>

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Wed May 28 20:26:37 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Wed, 5/28/2025 7:46 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    Microsoft is definitely suffering from Linux-envy. There are many
    parts to this envy, of course: one of them is package-manager-envy.
    Microsoft would dearly love for Windows to have a common architecture
    for installing and updating add-on packages, like most Linux distros
    do.

    But there are lots of obstacles to this in the proprietary-software
    world, not least of which is that the major proprietary-software
    developers would never agree to it, because they see it as a loss of
    control over their own Intellectual Property.

    <https://www.theverge.com/news/675446/microsoft-windows-update-all-apps-orchestration-platform>


    This kind of maintenance was already being done on Windows.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/sfYB93F9/Reliability-Monitor-W11.gif

    The OS Metro.Apps get updated, when an update is available.
    The execution time of that, does not easily look like it correlates
    with Windows Update, but we don't know what the polling frequency
    is underneath.

    If you examine the log, you can find one of those failing to update,
    until eventually they figure it out and it updates. Normally,
    the users are unaware of that activity, and whatever is happening
    in there is not a cause for concern.

    Windows Update is different, in that a broken update can interfere
    with other updates executing in a timely fashion. And Microsoft
    does not particularly care that a machine has stopped updating.
    We stare at the Windows Update, if we seek health signs saying
    everything is running normally in there.

    My Win10 install, has Visual Studio, and recently three updates
    launched from Windows Update, and they promptly died on an error.
    Since it looked like other updates could get blocked by that,
    I had to fix it. After a Repair Install, it's all working again.
    Does Linux have a Repair Install, where your programs and data
    files are untouched, while the OS automatically refreshes ?

    If a Windows repair recipe is too complicated, at least some
    scenarios can be fixed by a Repair Install.

    Paul

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Paul on Thu May 29 01:35:59 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:26:37 -0400, Paul wrote:

    This kind of maintenance was already being done on Windows.

    Obviously not, otherwise Microsoft would not be making such a big deal out
    of it being some new feature.

    Does Linux have a Repair Install, where your programs and data files
    are untouched, while the OS automatically refreshes ?

    That’s the only kind of “install” there is.

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  • From Carlos E. R.@21:1/5 to Paul on Thu May 29 13:19:27 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2025-05-29 02:26, Paul wrote:
    My Win10 install, has Visual Studio, and recently three updates
    launched from Windows Update, and they promptly died on an error.
    Since it looked like other updates could get blocked by that,
    I had to fix it. After a Repair Install, it's all working again.
    Does Linux have a Repair Install, where your programs and data
    files are untouched, while the OS automatically refreshes ?

    Possibly.

    With openSUSE, you can boot the DVD/USB, choose upgrade, and upgrade
    15.6 to 15.6 (same version). This procedure has been known to cure some
    big troubles. Not always.

    --
    Cheers,
    Carlos E.R.

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  • From Java Jive@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Thu May 29 12:22:28 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2025-05-29 02:35, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:26:37 -0400, Paul wrote:

    This kind of maintenance was already being done on Windows.

    Obviously not, otherwise Microsoft would not be making such a big deal out
    of it being some new feature.

    Does Linux have a Repair Install, where your programs and data files
    are untouched, while the OS automatically refreshes ?

    It depends on the distro, and both the choices you made when originally installing, and choices you make when re-installing. Ubuntu, probably
    more generally Debian, based distros allow you to make choices to
    install different parts on different partitions when installing. My
    usual choice is to install root '/' on a clean newly-formatted
    partition, but /home is installed on a separate partition which is NOT formatted, thus allowing me to preserve my user data between distros.
    This is the procedure I would follow to achieve this, using an XUbuntu22
    USB stick as an example ...

    1) Boot from the USB and choose Install, though you can choose Try
    and later Install from the Desktop icon.

    2) Set the region/language

    3) Make your own choices regarding installation size, downloading
    updates for the installation, and 3rd party software. I tend to select
    the latter as I've found sometimes that certain media files won't play.

    CRITICAL SECTION!

    4) Dialog entitled 'Installation Type', this is where you choose to
    let Linux make all the decisions, or take control, and you need to do
    the latter.

    You must choose 'Something else'. A gparted-style partitioning window
    appears. Select the disk and partition for the root installation, and
    click 'Change' underneath the table, and you get to a dialogue entitled
    'Edit the partition'. Change 'Use as' to ext4, optionally choose to
    format the partition if it contains unwanted old files, and choose '/'
    as the 'Mount point'. Click OK.

    It's possible that at this point a confirmation dialog may come up:
    'Write the previous changes to the disk and continue?', if so, not yet,
    choose 'Go back'

    Repeat the above for the data or home partition, but this time choosing
    '/home' as the 'Mount point'. If already you have data on it, then you
    will most probably want to choose NOT to format it, though be aware that
    if, later in the installation, you choose a pre-existing username, that
    user profile may get overwritten with possible loss of pre-existing data.

    If the 'Write the previous changes ...' appears now, choose 'Continue', otherwise choose Install under the partition table and it will then appear.

    END OF CRITICAL SECTION!

    5) From now on install as normal, the next stage is choosing the Time
    Zone.

    That’s the only kind of “install” there is.

    In view of the above, I think this reply is at best somewhat ambiguous
    and unhelpful, and at worst potentially somewhat misleading.

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