• Venus Is Visible Before Dawn

    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 7 08:05:24 2025
    XPost: nz.general

    (Hey, with all the religio/ideo/political crap in both these groups, why
    not have some *non*-religio/ideo/political crap ;)).

    I was up about an hour or so before dawn a few days ago, and noticed a
    very bright object high in the sky. I was back in bed before I realized it
    was the planet Venus.

    Venus looks like nothing else in the sky. To my eyes, it’s noticeably something more than a mere point of light, like everything else in the
    night sky (except the Moon, of course). It looks bigger, and you can
    almost notice that it isn’t perfectly round, because it shows phases (like the Moon, but only properly visible through a telescope) when it’s on the same side of the Sun as the Earth. Its colour is noticeably a bit off-
    white.

    I remember reading in a book somewhere that, at the extremes of its orbit (relative to the Earth’s), it might be visible up to three hours before sunrise (as a “morning star”, as it is right now), or up to three hours after sunset (as an “evening star”, when it’s on the other side of its orbit relative to us). A quick peek forward in time with KStars indicates
    that it is slowly moving back closer (from our viewpoint) to the Sun,
    though I think we have a couple months left before it disappears from
    view.

    I tried looking for it again a day or two ago, but was stymied by a solid blanket of winter fog. Takes effort to get up that early. ;)

    Anyway, give it a try, to see if you have better luck in your particular
    corner of our planet. ;)

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sat Jun 7 08:14:36 2025
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    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    Venus looks like nothing else in the sky. ...
    I remember reading in a book somewhere that, at the extremes of its orbit >(relative to the Earth’s), it might be visible up to three hours before >sunrise ...

    At its maximum brightness, on a fine day you can actually see it in
    the daytime if you know where to look. It is quite plainly there in a
    deep blue sky, obvious even.

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Sat Jun 7 12:44:26 2025
    XPost: nz.general

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    On 2025-06-07, Willy Nilly <wn@nosuch.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    Venus looks like nothing else in the sky. ...
    I remember reading in a book somewhere that, at the extremes of its orbit >>(relative to the Earth’s), it might be visible up to three hours before >>sunrise ...

    At its maximum brightness, on a fine day you can actually see it in
    the daytime if you know where to look. It is quite plainly there in a
    deep blue sky, obvious even.


    I've read it can be seen from the bottom of a well, if you look up and
    its in the sky above you.

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sat Jun 7 12:43:43 2025
    XPost: nz.general

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    On 2025-06-07, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    (Hey, with all the religio/ideo/political crap in both these groups, why
    not have some *non*-religio/ideo/political crap ;)).

    I was up about an hour or so before dawn a few days ago, and noticed a
    very bright object high in the sky. I was back in bed before I realized it was the planet Venus.

    Venus looks like nothing else in the sky. To my eyes, it’s noticeably something more than a mere point of light, like everything else in the
    night sky (except the Moon, of course). It looks bigger, and you can
    almost notice that it isn’t perfectly round, because it shows phases (like the Moon, but only properly visible through a telescope) when it’s on the same side of the Sun as the Earth. Its colour is noticeably a bit off-
    white.

    I remember reading in a book somewhere that, at the extremes of its orbit (relative to the Earth’s), it might be visible up to three hours before sunrise (as a “morning star”, as it is right now), or up to three hours after sunset (as an “evening star”, when it’s on the other side of its orbit relative to us). A quick peek forward in time with KStars indicates that it is slowly moving back closer (from our viewpoint) to the Sun,
    though I think we have a couple months left before it disappears from
    view.

    I tried looking for it again a day or two ago, but was stymied by a solid blanket of winter fog. Takes effort to get up that early. ;)

    Anyway, give it a try, to see if you have better luck in your particular corner of our planet. ;)

    A friend told me about this just last week. Usually I'm pretty up to
    date with the positions of the planets, but lately, not so much and I'm
    not a morning person.

    Venus can indeed by quite bright, and can look like an oncoming plane at
    first, except it doesn't appear to move.

    I will take a look one morning, when it is clear. Through the
    telescope, Venus shows phases like the phases of the moon, but its
    apparent size does vary greatly, appearing largest when a crescent (as
    that is when it is closest to the Earth), and shrinking as it becomes
    full (as that is when it is moving away, to opposition.

    When Venus's brightness is at a peak, if you are in a very dark area,
    either before twilight begins, or after dusk ends, with no Moon, you may
    see Venus cast a shadow. I have seen it myself when out camping once.
    You have to look closely. For me, I saw it cast by small objects such
    as small plants on a sandy area.

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sat Jun 7 12:55:43 2025
    XPost: nz.general

    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 08:05:24 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:


    I tried looking for it again a day or two ago, but was stymied by a solid blanket of winter fog. Takes effort to get up that early. ;)

    Anyway, give it a try, to see if you have better luck in your particular corner of our planet. ;)


    Venus? Big effing deal.

    Try finding the Milky Way, which is the thick layer of stars that
    thrilled our ancient ancestors.

    The Milky Way is there every night but it is always invisible due
    to LIGHT POLLUTION.

    Unless one resides in Patagonia or other very remote region the
    scourge of light pollution will obliterate most astronomical
    objects.

    I am aware of some idiots who purchase telescopes for $10-20K
    only to discover that they are mostly useless in urban and
    even semi-rural areas.



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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 7 13:53:43 2025
    XPost: nz.general

    On Jun 7, 2025 at 4:05:24 AM EDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    (Hey, with all the religio/ideo/political crap in both these groups, why
    not have some *non*-religio/ideo/political crap ;)).

    I was up about an hour or so before dawn a few days ago, and noticed a
    very bright object high in the sky. I was back in bed before I realized it was the planet Venus.

    Venus looks like nothing else in the sky. To my eyes, it’s noticeably something more than a mere point of light, like everything else in the
    night sky (except the Moon, of course). It looks bigger, and you can
    almost notice that it isn’t perfectly round, because it shows phases (like the Moon, but only properly visible through a telescope) when it’s on the same side of the Sun as the Earth. Its colour is noticeably a bit off-
    white.

    I remember reading in a book somewhere that, at the extremes of its orbit (relative to the Earth’s), it might be visible up to three hours before sunrise (as a “morning star”, as it is right now), or up to three hours after sunset (as an “evening star”, when it’s on the other side of its orbit relative to us). A quick peek forward in time with KStars indicates that it is slowly moving back closer (from our viewpoint) to the Sun,
    though I think we have a couple months left before it disappears from
    view.

    I tried looking for it again a day or two ago, but was stymied by a solid blanket of winter fog. Takes effort to get up that early. ;)

    Anyway, give it a try, to see if you have better luck in your particular corner of our planet. ;)

    From November 2024 to March this year it was in the evening sky. Always fun
    to watch. It is the 3rd brightest object in the sky. Sun, Moon, Venus.

    We also had Jupiter and Saturn (along with Neptune and Uranus but you need
    good binoculars or a telescope to see them) in the evening sky at the same
    time as Venus. Seeing Jupiter and Venus together is great, since they are in different directions relative to us.

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Sat Jun 7 10:58:08 2025
    XPost: nz.general

    Farley Flud wrote:

    Try finding the Milky Way, which is the thick layer of stars that
    thrilled our ancient ancestors.

    The Milky Way is there every night but it is always invisible due
    to LIGHT POLLUTION.

    I rememer seeing as a child, growing up in a small town. But I
    haven't seen it since moving to the big city, decades ago. Sad.

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    scoffed at, because your claim [that being open-source was vital to
    Linux' success] was plainly ridiculous and ill-informed on multiple
    levels." - lying asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to chrisv on Sat Jun 7 18:53:46 2025
    XPost: nz.general

    On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 10:58:08 -0500, chrisv wrote:


    I rememer seeing as a child, growing up in a small town. But I
    haven't seen it since moving to the big city, decades ago. Sad.


    You are lucky. I have never seen it nor will I ever see it.

    Although I could travel to some distant region, for various reasons
    I have no desire to do so.

    However, what gets me truly angry is the lack of Milky Way images
    available online. The Internet is supposed to be the information
    "super highway" yet a Google search for Milky Way images returns
    only a few paltry examples -- and most of these are on junk commercial
    sites.

    There must be hundreds of thousands of high resolution images of the
    Milky Way available but where the fuck are they?

    The Internet as an information source is failing rapidly and none
    of these idiots could care one iota (as long as they have their Ubuntu).


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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to chrisv on Sun Jun 8 00:05:20 2025
    XPost: nz.general

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    On 2025-06-07, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Farley Flud wrote:

    Try finding the Milky Way, which is the thick layer of stars that
    thrilled our ancient ancestors.

    The Milky Way is there every night but it is always invisible due
    to LIGHT POLLUTION.

    I rememer seeing as a child, growing up in a small town. But I
    haven't seen it since moving to the big city, decades ago. Sad.


    I remember seeing faintly it in the suburbs when I was little, but the
    city has grown so much its now invisible.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Sun Jun 8 00:26:10 2025
    XPost: nz.general

    On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 13:53:43 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

    Seeing Jupiter and Venus together is great, since they are in
    different directions relative to us.

    Well, half of the time they are in different directions, anyway. ;)

    Give it a few years, and Jupiter will move from one side of its orbit to
    the other.

    Unlike Saturn, or the planets outer from that, which take more appreciable parts of a human lifetime to do the same.

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Sun Jun 8 11:57:40 2025
    XPost: nz.general

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    On 2025-06-07, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
    On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 10:58:08 -0500, chrisv wrote:


    I rememer seeing as a child, growing up in a small town. But I
    haven't seen it since moving to the big city, decades ago. Sad.


    You are lucky. I have never seen it nor will I ever see it.

    Although I could travel to some distant region, for various reasons
    I have no desire to do so.

    However, what gets me truly angry is the lack of Milky Way images
    available online. The Internet is supposed to be the information
    "super highway" yet a Google search for Milky Way images returns
    only a few paltry examples -- and most of these are on junk commercial
    sites.

    There must be hundreds of thousands of high resolution images of the
    Milky Way available but where the fuck are they?

    The Internet as an information source is failing rapidly and none
    of these idiots could care one iota (as long as they have their Ubuntu).



    Yeah, the Web seems to mostly just be SEO bait and LLM generated slop.
    I'm finding it very hard to stumble upon quality sites. Its mostly just garbage. Ad laden, over engineered garbage.

    The thing is, a lot of those old sites are still there.

    https://marginalia-search.com/

    Try this search engine. It might get you some results that google
    doesn't dredge up easily.

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