The mathematical reality is stark: In so-called sanctuary states and
cities, intentionally so, few local jurisdictions have released data on immigrant prisoners. When you exclude entire states and cities from your
data collection, you create a “data deficit”, cannot claim statistical accuracy about national crime patterns.
For every American killed by an illegal alien, one sanctuary politician
must also donate their life for the cause. That's fair. Let's see how
long it takes them to reevaluate their positions.
"Why “Lower Crime Rate†Claims About Illegal Immigration Are Fundamentally Flawed"
<https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/hidden-truth-why-lower-crime-rate-claims-about/>
'As ICE raids intensify nationwide and the federalized national guard
troops battle it out with rioters in L.A. liberals who defend illegal immigration make the claim that illegals commit crimes at a lower rate
than native born, but this statistic is complete nonsense.
The mathematical reality is stark: In so-called sanctuary states and
cities, intentionally so, few local jurisdictions have released data on immigrant prisoners. When you exclude entire states and cities from your
data collection, you create a “data deficitâ€, cannot claim statistical
accuracy about national crime patterns.
This omission is particularly distorting because sanctuary jurisdictions harbor 56 percent of the nation’s illegal immigrants – close to eight
million people. California alone houses three million illegal
immigrants, representing 21.8 percent of the nationwide total, yet
sanctuary policies prevent accurate crime data collection from these
very populations.
Every person who enters the United States illegally has, by definition, committed a federal crime. One hundred percent of illegal immigrants
have committed at least one offense—either illegal entry or illegal presence. Moreover, those without convictions or pending charges who
have broken U.S. immigration laws, including visa overstays and Visa
Waiver Program violations, are still engaged in ongoing legal
violations. Working without authorization is another crime. Failing to
pay taxes on unreported income constitutes tax evasion. The compounding effect is that most undocumented immigrants commit multiple, ongoing violations.
This designation is crucial because of the unprecedented level of cartel control over illegal immigration. Testimony before Congress from Border Patrol leadership confirmed that unlike in the past when people could
cross the border independently, now nobody crosses without paying the cartels, who determine when people cross, how many cross at a time, and control all aspects of illegal border crossings and often control the
work these people do once inside the country, including drugs,
prostitution, or other criminal activities. This means that virtually
100% of illegal border crossers have direct financial connections to designated terrorist organizations through the smuggling fees they pay.
The Department of State has designated many of these transnational gangs
and cartels as terrorist organizations, including Tren de Aragua, MS-13,
and six major Mexican cartels as Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs)
and Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGTs).
This designation is crucial because gang members are not one-time
offenders. MS-13 actively recruits, organizes, and spreads violence in several countries, including the United States. When a gang member
crosses the border illegally, they bring with them a higher statistical probability of committing multiple serious crimes.
The evidence is mounting: Nationwide, the U.S. Border Patrol has
apprehended 218 gang affiliated subjects this year. Each gang member represents not just one crime (illegal entry) but an ongoing criminal enterprise. In a recent raid, immigration authorities had made close to
1,200 arrests in one day, and 613, or nearly 52%, were considered “criminal arrestsâ€. Many of these offenders were wanted on multiple
charges.
Another example of the danger of repeat offenders occurred when NYPD officials slammed New York’s sanctuary policies, which forbid the police
from cooperating with federal immigration officials, after an illegal
alien with previous convictions and a deportation order against him
brutally raped a New York woman. This represents a systemic failure
where ideology overrides public safety.
Even if the claim that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate
were true, nearly all crimes committed by illegal aliens in the U.S.
would not have occurred if those individuals had not been present in the country. Therefore, the total number of crimes committed in the U.S. increases.
If an illegal immigrant commits a crime, that crime rate contribution is
100% preventable through proper immigration enforcement.
Left-wing prosecutors favor a soft-on-crime overhaul of the justice
system, allowing criminals to walk free and recidivism rates to
skyrocket. When you combine open borders, with sanctuary city policies
and liberal prosecutors, you create a perfect storm where criminal
illegal aliens can commit crimes with minimal consequences.
Since President Trump took office, illegal immigration has plummeted by
over 90%, with Border Patrol recording only 8,300 apprehensions in
February 2025 compared to 140,600 in February 2024. This represents the lowest nationwide average apprehensions in CBP history, at approximately
330 per day. This sharp decline is due to fewer illegal crossings, demonstrating that the combination of strict border enforcement and aggressive deportation actions serves as an effective deterrent to those attempting to enter the country illegally. The same applies to drug trafficking.
Fentanyl deaths have declined significantly – with U.S. drug deaths dropping nearly 27 percent and synthetic opioid fatalities falling by
33%. Fentanyl seizures at the Mexican border have also decreased by
almost 30 percent, with March 2025 showing a 54% drop compared to March
2024. This connection between reduced illegal immigration and drug trafficking reflects the reality that migrant smuggling has become a “multi-billion-dollar international business controlled by organized crime,†with cartels earning up to $30 million daily from combined human
and drug smuggling operations, often using large migrant groups to
distract Border Patrol while moving drug loads through unguarded areas.
Why Gavin Newsom, Mayor Bass, or anyone else would oppose Trump’s tight
border and strict deportation policies is a mystery. But one thing is
clear: the claim that illegal aliens commit crimes at a lower rate is a
myth'
In <kjue4khaad6a0sthohbaqg5uv9suchqhjh@4ax.com> John Smyth wrote:
"Why â,"Lower Crime Rateâ, Claims About Illegal Immigration Are
Fundamentally Flawed"
<https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/hidden-truth-why-lower-crime-rate-claims-about/>
'As ICE raids intensify nationwide and the federalized national guard
troops battle it out with rioters in L.A. liberals who defend illegal
immigration make the claim that illegals commit crimes at a lower rate
than native born, but this statistic is complete nonsense.
The mathematical reality is stark: In so-called sanctuary states and
cities, intentionally so, few local jurisdictions have released data on
immigrant prisoners. When you exclude entire states and cities from your
data collection, you create a â,"data deficitâ,, cannot claim
statistical
accuracy about national crime patterns.
This omission is particularly distorting because sanctuary jurisdictions
harbor 56 percent of the nationâ,"s illegal immigrants â,?o
close to eight
million people. California alone houses three million illegal
immigrants, representing 21.8 percent of the nationwide total, yet
sanctuary policies prevent accurate crime data collection from these
very populations.
Every person who enters the United States illegally has, by definition,
committed a federal crime. One hundred percent of illegal immigrants
have committed at least one offenseâ,?either illegal entry or
illegal
presence. Moreover, those without convictions or pending charges who
have broken U.S. immigration laws, including visa overstays and Visa
Waiver Program violations, are still engaged in ongoing legal
violations. Working without authorization is another crime. Failing to
pay taxes on unreported income constitutes tax evasion. The compounding
effect is that most undocumented immigrants commit multiple, ongoing
violations.
This designation is crucial because of the unprecedented level of cartel
control over illegal immigration. Testimony before Congress from Border
Patrol leadership confirmed that unlike in the past when people could
cross the border independently, now nobody crosses without paying the
cartels, who determine when people cross, how many cross at a time, and
control all aspects of illegal border crossings and often control the
work these people do once inside the country, including drugs,
prostitution, or other criminal activities. This means that virtually
100% of illegal border crossers have direct financial connections to
designated terrorist organizations through the smuggling fees they pay.
The Department of State has designated many of these transnational gangs
and cartels as terrorist organizations, including Tren de Aragua, MS-13,
and six major Mexican cartels as Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs)
and Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGTs).
This designation is crucial because gang members are not one-time
offenders. MS-13 actively recruits, organizes, and spreads violence in
several countries, including the United States. When a gang member
crosses the border illegally, they bring with them a higher statistical
probability of committing multiple serious crimes.
The evidence is mounting: Nationwide, the U.S. Border Patrol has
apprehended 218 gang affiliated subjects this year. Each gang member
represents not just one crime (illegal entry) but an ongoing criminal
enterprise. In a recent raid, immigration authorities had made close to
1,200 arrests in one day, and 613, or nearly 52%, were considered
â,"criminal arrestsâ,. Many of these offenders were wanted on
multiple
charges.
Another example of the danger of repeat offenders occurred when NYPD
officials slammed New Yorkâ,"s sanctuary policies, which forbid the
police
from cooperating with federal immigration officials, after an illegal
alien with previous convictions and a deportation order against him
brutally raped a New York woman. This represents a systemic failure
where ideology overrides public safety.
Even if the claim that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate
were true, nearly all crimes committed by illegal aliens in the U.S.
would not have occurred if those individuals had not been present in the
country. Therefore, the total number of crimes committed in the U.S.
increases.
If an illegal immigrant commits a crime, that crime rate contribution is
100% preventable through proper immigration enforcement.
Left-wing prosecutors favor a soft-on-crime overhaul of the justice
system, allowing criminals to walk free and recidivism rates to
skyrocket. When you combine open borders, with sanctuary city policies
and liberal prosecutors, you create a perfect storm where criminal
illegal aliens can commit crimes with minimal consequences.
Since President Trump took office, illegal immigration has plummeted by
over 90%, with Border Patrol recording only 8,300 apprehensions in
February 2025 compared to 140,600 in February 2024. This represents the
lowest nationwide average apprehensions in CBP history, at approximately
330 per day. This sharp decline is due to fewer illegal crossings,
demonstrating that the combination of strict border enforcement and
aggressive deportation actions serves as an effective deterrent to those
attempting to enter the country illegally. The same applies to drug
trafficking.
Fentanyl deaths have declined significantly â,?o with U.S. drug
deaths
dropping nearly 27 percent and synthetic opioid fatalities falling by
33%. Fentanyl seizures at the Mexican border have also decreased by
almost 30 percent, with March 2025 showing a 54% drop compared to March
2024. This connection between reduced illegal immigration and drug
trafficking reflects the reality that migrant smuggling has become a
â,"multi-billion-dollar international business controlled by
organized
crime,â, with cartels earning up to $30 million daily from combined
human
and drug smuggling operations, often using large migrant groups to
distract Border Patrol while moving drug loads through unguarded areas.
Why Gavin Newsom, Mayor Bass, or anyone else would oppose Trumpâ,"s
tight
border and strict deportation policies is a mystery. But one thing is
clear: the claim that illegal aliens commit crimes at a lower rate is a
myth'
For every American killed by an illegal alien, one sanctuary politician
must also donate their life for the cause. That's fair. Let's see how
long it takes them to reevaluate their positions.
On 9/6/25 17:23, John Smyth wrote:
The mathematical reality is stark: In so-called sanctuary states and
cities, intentionally so, few local jurisdictions have released data on
immigrant prisoners. When you exclude entire states and cities from your
data collection, you create a “data deficit”, cannot claim statistical >> accuracy about national crime patterns.
Compare c rime rates of analogous cities.
For every American killed by an illegal alien, one sanctuary
politician
must also donate their life for the cause. That's fair. Let's
see how
long it takes them to reevaluate their positions.
Well, if they should have acted and refused to do so. they could
be considered an accessory.
"Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:102820c$s26e$1@dont-email.me...
On 9/6/25 17:23, John Smyth wrote:
The mathematical reality is stark: In so-called sanctuary
states and
cities, intentionally so, few local jurisdictions have
released data on
immigrant prisoners. When you exclude entire states and cities
from your
data collection, you create a “data deficit”, cannot claim
statistical
accuracy about national crime patterns.
Compare c rime rates of analogous cities.
Which cities have a similar illegal alien population to be
considered analogous, much less the Democrat's ability to turn a
blind eye to their criminal activities?
On 10/6/25 6:33, Scout wrote:
For every American killed by an illegal alien, one sanctuary
politician
must also donate their life for the cause. That's fair. Let's
see how
long it takes them to reevaluate their positions.
Well, if they should have acted and refused to do so. they could
be considered an accessory.
Now at last we are dealing with all those dangerous pregnant women and children.
On 10/6/25 6:33, Scout wrote:
"Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:102820c$s26e$1@dont-email.me...
On 9/6/25 17:23, John Smyth wrote:
The mathematical reality is stark: In so-called sanctuary
states and
cities, intentionally so, few local jurisdictions have
released data on
immigrant prisoners. When you exclude entire states and cities
from your
data collection, you create a “data deficit”, cannot claim
statistical
accuracy about national crime patterns.
Compare c rime rates of analogous cities.
Which cities have a similar illegal alien population to be
considered analogous, much less the Democrat's ability to turn a
blind eye to their criminal activities?
Getting accurate data is hard.
Compare c rime rates of analogous cities.
Which cities have a similar illegal alien population to be
considered analogous, much less the Democrat's ability to turn a
blind eye to their criminal activities?
Getting accurate data is hard.
Ok.. so produce the data. If you can't then you are asking for an
impossible comparison.
On 11/6/25 5:44, Scout wrote:
Compare c rime rates of analogous cities.
Which cities have a similar illegal alien population to be
considered analogous, much less the Democrat's ability to turn a
blind eye to their criminal activities?
Getting accurate data is hard.
Ok.. so produce the data. If you can't then you are asking for an
impossible comparison.
You just admitted you the military to patrol streets without any
data to show necessity.
On 11/6/25 5:44, Scout wrote:
Compare c rime rates of analogous cities.
Which cities have a similar illegal alien population to be
considered analogous, much less the Democrat's ability to turn a
blind eye to their criminal activities?
Getting accurate data is hard.
Ok.. so produce the data. If you can't then you are asking for an
impossible comparison.
You just admitted you the military to patrol streets without any data to
show necessity.
"Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:102chod$24bu6$4@dont-email.me...
On 11/6/25 5:44, Scout wrote:
Compare c rime rates of analogous cities.
Which cities have a similar illegal alien population to be
considered analogous, much less the Democrat's ability to
turn a
blind eye to their criminal activities?
Getting accurate data is hard.
Ok.. so produce the data. If you can't then you are asking for an
impossible comparison.
You just admitted you the military to patrol streets without
any data to show necessity.
So the riot isn't actually data? Just ignore it and pretend
nothing happened?
On 12/6/25 5:55, Scout wrote:
"Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:102chod$24bu6$4@dont-email.me...
On 11/6/25 5:44, Scout wrote:
Compare c rime rates of analogous cities.
Which cities have a similar illegal alien population to be
considered analogous, much less the Democrat's ability to
turn a
blind eye to their criminal activities?
Getting accurate data is hard.
Ok.. so produce the data. If you can't then you are asking for an
impossible comparison.
You just admitted you the military to patrol streets without
any data to show necessity.
So the riot isn't actually data? Just ignore it and pretend
nothing happened?
Every state has criminals. How is that data we need military patrols?
Every state has criminals. How is that data we need military
patrols?
Well, apparently they are criminals that the police are unwilling
or unable to manage.. hence the military.
So the riot isn't actually data? Just ignore it and pretend
nothing happened?
Every state has criminals. How is that data we need military patrols?
Well, apparently they are criminals that the police are unwilling or unable >to manage.. hence the military.
Scout wrote:
So the riot isn't actually data? Just ignore it and pretend
nothing happened?
Every state has criminals. How is that data we need military patrols?
Well, apparently they are criminals that the police are unwilling or unable >> to manage.. hence the military.
and/or simply being overwhelmed by the number of violent, looting
leftists.
On 12/6/25 9:23, Scout wrote:
Every state has criminals. How is that data we need military
patrols?
Well, apparently they are criminals that the police are unwilling
or unable to manage.. hence the military.
England did that. One of issues that led to the American Revolution.
Scout wrote:
So the riot isn't actually data? Just ignore it and pretend
nothing happened?
Every state has criminals. How is that data we need military patrols?
Well, apparently they are criminals that the police are unwilling or
unable
to manage.. hence the military.
and/or simply being overwhelmed by the number of violent, looting
leftists.
chrisv wrote:
Scout wrote:
Well, apparently they are criminals that the police are unwilling or unable >>> to manage.. hence the military.
and/or simply being overwhelmed by the number of violent, looting
leftists.
Just look at all this violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmp1sRqhIUE
chrisv wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
Siri Cruz wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Scout wrote:
Well, apparently they are criminals that the police are unwilling
or unable to manage.. hence the military.
and/or simply being overwhelmed by the number of violent, looting
leftists.
Just look at all this violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmp1sRqhIUE
You think that showing some peaceful protesters means that there are
no violent protesters and rioters? We've seen those videos too, you
know.
To even post that link, as if it proves anything, shows you to be a
stupid person.
<https://www.yahoo.com/news/is-los-angeles-really-under-siege-this-
map-shows-how-little-of-the-sprawling-city-has-been-affected-by-pro
tests-182042338.html>
On 13 Jun 2025, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> posted some news:102hh06$3gov7$8@dont-email.me:
chrisv wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
Siri Cruz wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Scout wrote:
Well, apparently they are criminals that the police are unwilling
or unable to manage.. hence the military.
and/or simply being overwhelmed by the number of violent, looting
leftists.
Just look at all this violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmp1sRqhIUE
You think that showing some peaceful protesters means that there are
no violent protesters and rioters? We've seen those videos too, you
know.
To even post that link, as if it proves anything, shows you to be a
stupid person.
<https://www.yahoo.com/news/is-los-angeles-really-under-siege-this-
map-shows-how-little-of-the-sprawling-city-has-been-affected-by-pro
tests-182042338.html>
"Mike Bebernes", rabid Walz / Harris supporter, illegal immigration
advocate.
Are you related to Mitch Holman by chance?
chrisv wrote:
Siri Cruz wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Scout wrote:
Well, apparently they are criminals that the police are unwilling or unable
to manage.. hence the military.
and/or simply being overwhelmed by the number of violent, looting
leftists.
Just look at all this violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmp1sRqhIUE
You think that showing some peaceful protesters means that there are
no violent protesters and rioters? We've seen those videos too, you
know.
To even post that link, as if it proves anything, shows you to be a
stupid person.
<https://www.yahoo.com/news/is-los-angeles-really-under-siege-this-map-shows-how-little-of-the-sprawling-city-has-been-affected-by-protests-182042338.html>
In <kjue4khaad6a0sthohbaqg5uv9suchqhjh@4ax.com> John Smyth wrote:
"Why “Lower Crime Rate†Claims About Illegal Immigration Are
Fundamentally Flawed"
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