It's always good to see the GNU machine crank out updates
to various core software.

Check out the latest DjvuLibre:

<https://djvu.sourceforge.net/>

I have oodles of djvu books and documents and this program
is indispensable.

Then there is a2ps:

https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/a2ps/

Yes. For anyone who isn't a beaten distro lackey the PostScript
format is quite alive and kicking.

GNU has lots of CLI tools for PostScript generation and a2ps
is a core component.

I hate those fucking point-and-click distro lackeys who couldn't
do a damned fucking thing without their do-it-all-for-you
distros.

Fuck Ubuntu. Fuck Mint. Fuck RedHat. Fuck Debian.

Give me GNU and PostScript and I shall move the earth!


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W dniu 16.07.2025 o 16:27, Farley Flud pisze:

Fuck Ubuntu. Fuck Mint. Fuck RedHat. Fuck Debian.

So what distro do you like/recomended?
And how about distros from GNU recommended list? Listed here:

<https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html>

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 17:57:47 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

So what distro do you like/recomended?

Gentoo:

<https://www.gentoo.org/>

Linux From Scratch

<https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/>

what about distros from GNU recommended list? Listed here:

No.

Only GNU/Linux *source* distributions:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Source-based_Linux_distributions>

<https://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Source-based>





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W dniu 16.07.2025 o 19:15, Farley Flud pisze:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 17:57:47 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

So what distro do you like/recomended?

Gentoo:
<https://www.gentoo.org/>

Linux From Scratch
<https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/>

what about distros from GNU recommended list? Listed here:

No.

Only GNU/Linux *source* distributions: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Source-based_Linux_distributions> > <https://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Source-based>

So I am glad to see GoboLinux on both lists! I am aware great
innovations in GoboLinux (I read article in Linux Magazine PL no.
2025-07 "Przegląd dystrybucji - GoboLinux"). But for now it is not
production ready.

But what is the point to use Gentoo?
Tell me what is the point install, compile and configure whole week
Gentoo instead just install Ubutnu with few clicks, and configure it in
one evening?
I am application programmer. I want program portable programs. So why
should I dig in to Gentoo details? I can lost many time digging Gentoo
instead write my programs (it is also time consuming).

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 20:13:23 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

But what is the point to use Gentoo?

I am application programmer.

If you are a competent application programmer then you will know.





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On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 20:13:23 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

But what is the point to use Gentoo?
Tell me what is the point install, compile and configure whole week
Gentoo instead just install Ubutnu with few clicks, and configure it in
one evening?
I am application programmer. I want program portable programs. So why
should I dig in to Gentoo details? I can lost many time digging Gentoo instead write my programs (it is also time consuming).

Some people are working programmers; others prefer to while away the hours trying to build an OS.

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W dniu 16.07.2025 o 21:11, Farley Flud pisze:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 20:13:23 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

But what is the point to use Gentoo?

I am application programmer.

If you are a competent application programmer then you will know.

This is uniq answer. Because I am really wonder why some one waste time compiling and configuring every os details in Gentoo. Now you get real
answer to your rude question:

"What the fuck is this? There have been no responses to my inimitably brilliant posts?"

BTW: You can't imagine how isolated carer I lead. I programming since
1997, and across this period personally I don't know any other
programmer. In my country - Poland - there is no way to find any
information about innovations or even any news in computer science -
every thing about this is keep in secret. In Poland there are only two magazines for computer enthusiasts: "Linux Magazine PL" and
"Programista". Both totally censored and almost useless for me (although
I buy them for years). So it is very difficult for me to be "competent application programmer" and probably I am not. So your answer is very
unfair and it seems that you think that everywhere people live and know
the same as in USA. But it is not true! Be good programmer in backward,
and police-driven country like Poland is real challenge.

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On 16 Jul 2025 20:05:48 GMT, rbowman wrote:

Some people are working programmers; others prefer to while away the hours trying to build an OS.

Then there are others, like you, who while away the hours reminiscing
about 50-year-old calculators.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!



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On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 21:57:10 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

Because I am really wonder why some one waste time
compiling and configuring every os details in Gentoo.

Reasons:

#1) Learning. There is no better way to learn GNU/Linux
other than to build and configure from scratch. Learning
allows total control and that is the ideal situation. Learning
will also allow future independence from all commercial
distros.

#2) Automation. There is no wasted time because the build
process is fully automated. Of course, there is an initial
period of study and learning but once this is past then
everything is fully automated, but there can be occasional
periods of further study and learning as innovation proceeds.

Personal computing is so exceeding important that all PC users
should strive to know and control their machines.

People who don't use source-based distros like Gentoo/LFS
are either stupid or lazy and most likely both.



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On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 21:57:10 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> wrote in <mdqegmFotbdU4@mid.individual.net>:

W dniu 16.07.2025 o 21:11, Farley Flud pisze:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 20:13:23 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

But what is the point to use Gentoo?



I am application programmer.

If you are a competent application programmer then you will know.

This is uniq answer. Because I am really wonder why some one waste time compiling and configuring every os details in Gentoo. Now you get real
answer to your rude question:

"What the fuck is this? There have been no responses to my inimitably brilliant posts?"

BTW: You can't imagine how isolated carer I lead. I programming since
1997, and across this period personally I don't know any other
programmer. In my country - Poland - there is no way to find any
information about innovations or even any news in computer science -
every thing about this is keep in secret. In Poland there are only two magazines for computer enthusiasts: "Linux Magazine PL" and
"Programista". Both totally censored and almost useless for me (although
I buy them for years). So it is very difficult for me to be "competent application programmer" and probably I am not. So your answer is very
unfair and it seems that you think that everywhere people live and know
the same as in USA. But it is not true! Be good programmer in backward,
and police-driven country like Poland is real challenge.

As you've probably figured out by now, "Farley" (or whatever he chooses
to call himself this week) is an obnoxious troll of very little brain.

(Indeed, if the world were full of Farley's, zombies would starve.)

Use the distribution you like -- there's nothing wrong with Ubuntu, except maybe the snaps. (And with Linux Mint, snaps are disabled by default.
Food for thought.)

--
-v ASUS TUF DASH F15 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3060 Mobile 6G
OS: Linux 6.8.0-63-generic D: Mint 22.1 DE: Xfce 4.18
NVIDIA: 510.47.03 Mem: 15.9G
"Have an adequate day."

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Farley Flud wrote:

rbowman wrote:

Some people are working programmers; others prefer to while away the hours >> trying to build an OS.

Then there are others, like you, who while away the hours reminiscing
about 50-year-old calculators.

My HP48SX still rulz! It's RPN, of course.

--
'Who said anything about removing users "choice"?
Or do you think the choice is the choice for developers to turn out
any old crud?'
- "True Linux Advocate" Hadron Quark

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 16:52:43 -0500, chrisv wrote:

Farley Flud wrote:

rbowman wrote:

Some people are working programmers; others prefer to while away the
hours trying to build an OS.

Then there are others, like you, who while away the hours reminiscing
about 50-year-old calculators.

My HP48SX still rulz! It's RPN, of course.

So does my 16C. It probably was made before Fairly Fucked was shitting his diapers.

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 20:13:23 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

But what is the point to use Gentoo?

I ran it for a while, because I wanted frequent updates to the newest
apps. But compiling things was time consuming, and I think I made some
mistakes with the dependencies, so my KDE Plasma 4 build never worked
quite right.

Tell me what is the point install, compile and configure whole week
Gentoo instead just install Ubutnu with few clicks, and configure it in
one evening?

Currently I use Debian Unstable. This gives a good compromise between the convenience of prebuilt packages, with frequent updates to new stuff. Not everything is the latest, even there, but I remedy that by building a
select few things (e.g. FFmpeg, Blender) from source.

I am application programmer. I want program portable programs.

You probably want to test your stuff against different versions of
libraries etc. A convenient way to do that is via containers. I use LXC,
which is fairly bare-bones, but easy enough to set up. The Debian package
for LXC includes userlands for a range of other distros and versions.

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 21:57:10 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

In my country - Poland - there is no way to find any
information about innovations or even any news in computer science -

You should perhaps become involved with the Polish Linux
Distribution:

https://www.pld-linux.org/





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W dniu 17.07.2025 o 09:34, Farley Flud pisze:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 21:57:10 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

In my country - Poland - there is no way to find any
information about innovations or even any news in computer science -

You should perhaps become involved with the Polish Linux
Distribution:

https://www.pld-linux.org/

Distribution PLD is a ghost ship, they have page on the Internet, distrowatch.com reports they work on something. But they work completely silently and secretly. Tey disappear from Usenet and from IRC years ago.
They don't release any normal installation iso image for ages (yes! this
is completely keep in secret how to install PLD).

BTW. About 3 years ago, I asked all polish distros on they forums if
they need some commercial help from polish Linux programmer. But they
ignore, or delete my question and no one were interested. Maybe they
want volunteers, and perhaps this will be good prof, that my work is
worth some money. But it seems that they have everything they need, and
they don't want even talk about any form cooperation with me!

BTW. All my life I live in Polish (Tricity area), and always I try to be
fair and good for all Polish people, but for unknown reason they were
nice, but they leave me as soon as possible, so since 16yo I don't know
any person personally or privately (earlier I have one friend on my
street, and some day he stop talking to me under excuse that my father
in law talk the police, that probably that boy stole his car audio). So
I must agree well known truth on the World, that Polish people are very spurious and insidious.

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rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 16:52:43 -0500, chrisv wrote:

Farley Flud wrote:

rbowman wrote:

Some people are working programmers; others prefer to while away the
hours trying to build an OS.

Then there are others, like you, who while away the hours reminiscing >>>about 50-year-old calculators.

My HP48SX still rulz! It's RPN, of course.

So does my 16C. It probably was made before Fairly Fucked was shitting his diapers.

I use Thomas Okken's HP-42S emulation. Made my own skins (both
portrait and landscape) for it, I use it on Android and Linux.
Also used it on iPhone and Windows.

<https://thomasokken.com/free42/>

Free42 is a re-implementation of the HP-42S Scientific
Programmable Calculator and HP-82240 Printer.

It is a complete rewrite, not using any HP code. It does not
require an HP-42S ROM image.

Even though it contains significant enhancements compared to
the original calculator, Free42 remains fully compatible with
the HP-42S, both in its user interface and in its ability to
run programs written for the HP-42S.

Free42 is an Open Source project. The executables and source
code are released under the terms of the GNU General Public
License, version 2.

All third-party code used in Free42 is either in the public
domain, or licensed under terms compatible with GPLv2, or used
with the authors' permission.

It's also in the Debian repo.

--
* dpkg hands stu a huge glass of vbeer
* Joey takes the beer from stu, you're too young ;)
* Cylord takes the beer from Joey, you're too drunk.
* Cylord gives the beer to muggles.

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 11:27:38 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

My HP48SX still rulz! It's RPN, of course.

So does my 16C. It probably was made before Fairly Fucked was shitting his >> diapers.

I use Thomas Okken's HP-42S emulation. Made my own skins (both
portrait and landscape) for it, I use it on Android and Linux.
Also used it on iPhone and Windows.

But does it conform to IEEE-754?

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754-1985>

No, it does not, and therefore it is equivalent to using a
slide rule or an abacus for modern day calculations.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_rule>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus>

Furthermore, I won't even mention multi-precision which
is standard for any digital calculator nowadays.



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W dniu 16.07.2025 o 22:26, Farley Flud pisze:

People who don't use source-based distros like Gentoo/LFS
are either stupid or lazy and most likely both.

Then: Tell me about advantages Gentoo over Arch. Because I think Gentoo
greatly waste computing power to compile the same packages all over
again on every installation, and Arch does not, because it has compiled packages. What do you think about this.

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 18:41:00 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

Then: Tell me about advantages Gentoo over Arch. Because I think Gentoo greatly waste computing power to compile the same packages all over
again on every installation, and Arch does not, because it has compiled packages. What do you think about this.

It is totally irrelevant and inconsequential.

On a PC, CPU cycles are completely free. There is no monetary
charge involved.

OTOH, if the compiling were to be done in the "cloud," then the
user would have to pay ($$$$) for the computing power.

Moreover, you likely waste far more computing power when you
surf the Internet with a standard, bloated browser like Chromium
or Firefox (or their deriv's). The average commercial, and even non-commercial, web site executes perhaps 20 megabytes of javascript
code per measly page -- and they don't even pay YOU for the CPU cycles!

Ha, ha, ha, ha! Your machine is literally giving way, gratis, huge
amounts of computing power to foreign agents of various types.

So don't talk about Gentoo "wasting" CPU cycles. YOU are the far
bigger waster.

But, with Gentoo, the building is usually quite fast. Even very
large C programs are finished in 1-2 minutes.

The exception, however, is source code written in C++ or Rust.
These shit languages require an inordinately long time to compile.
Both C++ and Rust are merely crutches for crippled and incompetent
programmers.


Remember:

The personal computer (PC) was introduced as a replacement to
former time-sharing systems. Why pay for CPU cycles on a remote
mainframe when I can execute them for free on a PC? For this
reason the PC became the dominant computing environment globally.

Well, for some insane motivation, the world has gone backward. Now,
for lots of people and organizations, the PC is only a dumb terminal
that is inextricably linked to the "cloud."

There is no better proof that most people are total idiots.


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Farley Flud wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 11:27:38 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

My HP48SX still rulz! It's RPN, of course.

So does my 16C. It probably was made before Fairly Fucked was shitting his >>> diapers.

I use Thomas Okken's HP-42S emulation. Made my own skins (both
portrait and landscape) for it, I use it on Android and Linux.
Also used it on iPhone and Windows.

But does it conform to IEEE-754?

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754-1985>

No, it does not, and therefore it is equivalent to using a
slide rule or an abacus for modern day calculations.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Furthermore, I won't even mention multi-precision which
is standard for any digital calculator nowadays.

The Okken HP-42S emulation has both binary and decimal implementations
to choose from.

<https://thomasokken.com/free42/>

While Free42 originally used Binary math exclusively, all
releases starting with 1.4 have come in two versions, Binary
and Decimal. The two look and behave identically; the only
difference is the way they represent numbers internally. The
desktop versions of Free42 on this site, that is, the ones for
Windows, MacOS, and Linux, include both the Binary and Decimal
versions in the download packages. The versions for Android
and iOS, on the other hand, are Decimal only. They could in
principle be built with Binary math as well, but due to the
way the Android and iOS app stores work, distributing both
versions at the same time would be problematic.

Free42 Decimal uses the Intel Decimal Floating-Point Math
Library; it uses IEEE 754-2008 quadruple precision decimal
floating-point, which consumes 16 bytes per number, and gives
34 decimal digits of precision, with exponents ranging from
−6143 to +6144.

Free42 Binary uses the PC's FPU; it represents numbers as IEEE
754 compatible double precision binary floating-point, which
consumes 8 bytes per number, and gives an effective precision
of nearly 16 decimal digits, with exponents ranging from −308
to +308.

The binary version has the advantage of being much faster than
the decimal version; also, it uses less memory. However,
numbers such as 0.1 (one-tenth) cannot be represented exactly
in binary, since they are repeating fractions then. This
inexactness can cause some HP-42S programs to fail.

If you understand the issues surrounding binary
floating-point, and you do not rely on legacy software that
may depend on the exactness of decimal fractions, you may use
Free42 Binary and enjoy its speed advantage. If, on the other
hand, you need full HP-42S compatibility, you should use
Free42 Decimal.

If you do not fully understand the above, it is best to play
safe and use Free42 Decimal.

Play it safe, Farley.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

--
A real diplomat is one who can cut his neighbor's throat without having
his neighbour notice it.
-- Trygve Lie

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On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 07:44:05 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Free42 Decimal uses the Intel Decimal Floating-Point Math
Library; it uses IEEE 754-2008

Of course. It is a SOFTWARE SIMULATOR that runs on modern
hardware. It has no choice not to use modern hardware unless
the author somehow managed to duplicate the algorithms that
were baked into the original 1970s calculators.

But the original 1970s calculators did NOT use IEEE754
and that was my one-and-only point.

Incidentally, the Intel Decimal FP library is junk.
Libdfp, provided by IBM, is better:

<https://github.com/libdfp/libdfp>

But YOU couldn't tell the difference.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!



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Le 16-07-2025, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :

As you've probably figured out by now, "Farley" (or whatever he chooses
to call himself this week) is an obnoxious troll of very little brain.

For the little brain part, I agree: it's obvious. For the troll part, I disagree. Trolling is an art. It's not enough to say nonsense to be a
troll. A real troll needs to be good to be able to get a lot of
infuriated people with few messages. FF/DG/FR/whatever is just a lost
funny boy here to bring fun with stupid messages.

Use the distribution you like --

Not exactly. The distribution that suit you is better than the
distribution you like. There are some different concepts between distros
and being able to choose among them is important. For a beginner, just
take a well known distro to discover Linux, choose your distro later.

there's nothing wrong with Ubuntu, except maybe the snaps.

Yes, snap is a real pain n the ass. The more I see people having issues
with snap, the more I consider avoiding ubuntu is important.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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Le 16-07-2025, Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> a écrit :

GNU has lots of CLI tools for PostScript generation and a2ps
is a core component.

I hate those fucking point-and-click distro lackeys who couldn't
do a damned fucking thing without their do-it-all-for-you
distros.

Fuck Ubuntu. Fuck Mint. Fuck RedHat. Fuck Debian.

Once again, the only thing you show is your lack of knowledge. All the
distros you want to fuck provide the tools you pretend to want.

The only real thing being: I don't know how you could fuck a distro. Do
you only know what fuck means?

Well, there is another thing too: you are a mouse lackey, so why on
earth would you want a CLI? To prove you could manage a terminal? But if
you could, you would never say that overlapping windows are mandatory,
you would know they are garbage.

Give me GNU and PostScript and I shall move the earth!

It's everywhere, if you don't find what you want it's only because you
are unable to find your way into your basement. As always, you are the
issue to your own needs.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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Farley Flud wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 07:44:05 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Free42 Decimal uses the Intel Decimal Floating-Point Math
Library; it uses IEEE 754-2008

Of course. It is a SOFTWARE SIMULATOR that runs on modern
hardware. It has no choice not to use modern hardware unless
the author somehow managed to duplicate the algorithms that
were baked into the original 1970s calculators.

It's a complete rewrite, Bubba.

But the original 1970s calculators did NOT use IEEE754
and that was my one-and-only point.

Incidentally, the Intel Decimal FP library is junk.
Libdfp, provided by IBM, is better:

<https://github.com/libdfp/libdfp>

But YOU couldn't tell the difference.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Neither could you!

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

--
Column 1 Column 2 Column 3

0. integrated 0. management 0. options
1. total 1. organizational 1. flexibility
2. systematized 2. monitored 2. capability
3. parallel 3. reciprocal 3. mobility
4. functional 4. digital 4. programming
5. responsive 5. logistical 5. concept
6. optional 6. transitional 6. time-phase
7. synchronized 7. incremental 7. projection
8. compatible 8. third-generation 8. hardware
9. balanced 9. policy 9. contingency

The procedure is simple. Think of any three-digit number, then select the corresponding buzzword from each column. For instance, number 257 produces "systematized logistical projection," a phrase that can be dropped into virtually any report with that ring of decisive, knowledgeable authority. "No one will have the remotest idea of what you're talking about," says Broughton, "but the important thing is that they're not about to admit it."
-- Philip Broughton, "How to Win at Wordsmanship"

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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

I use Thomas Okken's HP-42S emulation. Made my own skins (both
portrait and landscape) for it, I use it on Android and Linux.
Also used it on iPhone and Windows.

<https://thomasokken.com/free42/>

Free42 is a re-implementation of the HP-42S Scientific
Programmable Calculator and HP-82240 Printer.

It is a complete rewrite, not using any HP code. It does not
require an HP-42S ROM image.

Even though it contains significant enhancements compared to
the original calculator, Free42 remains fully compatible with
the HP-42S, both in its user interface and in its ability to
run programs written for the HP-42S.

I wonder if he needed to test his code, or if he called it good when
he got a warning- and error-free compile.

--
'[chrisv] literally said it was "stupid" to test the code vs relying
on compiler warnings.' - DumFSck, lying shamelessly

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 07:03:45 -0500, chrisv wrote:

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

I use Thomas Okken's HP-42S emulation. Made my own skins (both portrait
and landscape) for it, I use it on Android and Linux.
Also used it on iPhone and Windows.

<https://thomasokken.com/free42/>

Free42 is a re-implementation of the HP-42S Scientific Programmable
Calculator and HP-82240 Printer.

It is a complete rewrite, not using any HP code. It does not require
an HP-42S ROM image.

Even though it contains significant enhancements compared to the
original calculator, Free42 remains fully compatible with the
HP-42S, both in its user interface and in its ability to run
programs written for the HP-42S.

I wonder if he needed to test his code, or if he called it good when he
got a warning- and error-free compile.

Hey, that's what QA is for. Our QA manager could get quite hostile if a
new build failed out of the gate. I tried not to cross her.

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