By the way, for those who like to rely on dubious sources like
StatCounter, even that agrees that Linux is more than 5% of the US
market.
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 07:11:57 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
By the way, for those who like to rely on dubious sources like
StatCounter, even that agrees that Linux is more than 5% of the US
market.
It would be more accurate to say that Ubuntu (and its deriv's)
has more than 5% of the US market.
Ubuntu, like Android, although based on Linux, does not represent
true Linux -- and this is far from being a moot point.
What is true Linux?
GNU/Linux represents a return to computing in its fundamantal
form. GNU/Linux is not pointing and clicking within a do-it-all-for-you desktop environment. GNU/Linux is engaging with the actual machine
via programming/scripting/configuring. GNU/Linux is about finding
and developing solutions to ones own problems. GNU/Linux brings back
the idea of "personal" to personal computing.
Report back when 5% of users are actively doing this.
you have
highlighted why Linux has failed to capture that market and *never will*.
The problem is ...
What the desktop market really wants is a single, widely adopted and supported OS/GUI, as demonstrated by the success of Microsoft, Apple and Google with their offerings.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Steven J Vaughan-Nichols
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-has-over-6-of-the-desktop-market-yes-you-read-that-right-heres-how/>
says:
According to the US Federal Government Website and App Analytics,
which I trust far more than I do StatCounter, 6% of its visitors
over the last month were using Linux operating systems.
and
If you add in Android (16.2%) and Chromebooks (0.8%), you're
talking about 23% of visitors using Linux, which puts it above
MacOS (11.7%), Windows 10 (15.7%), and Windows 11 (15.3%), which
is downright impressive. Take that, Windows.
They are nice enough to offer the raw data, so you can do your own
analysis.
By the way, for those who like to rely on dubious sources like
StatCounter, even that agrees that Linux is more than 5% of the US
market.
What about internationally? Do you think that would be lower or
higher?
I strongly suspect that Linux, worldwide, is much more widely used
than people realize.
Steven J Vaughan-Nichols <https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-has-over-6-of-the-desktop-market-yes-you-read-that-right-heres-how/>
says:
According to the US Federal Government Website and App Analytics,
which I trust far more than I do StatCounter, 6% of its visitors
over the last month were using Linux operating systems.
and
If you add in Android (16.2%) and Chromebooks (0.8%), you're
talking about 23% of visitors using Linux, which puts it above
MacOS (11.7%), Windows 10 (15.7%), and Windows 11 (15.3%), which
is downright impressive. Take that, Windows.
They are nice enough to offer the raw data, so you can do your own
analysis.
By the way, for those who like to rely on dubious sources like
StatCounter, even that agrees that Linux is more than 5% of the US
market.
What about internationally? Do you think that would be lower or
higher?
That's about 5,000 total websites". So 5000 websites versus 1.5
million websites. Which do you think is a more accurate picture? The
larger sample or the smaller sample?
Your "true Linux" is not what the desktop market requires but you have highlighted why Linux has failed to capture that market and *never
will*.
The problem is the confusion caused by the vast number of competing
Linux desktops ...
What the desktop market really wants is a single, widely adopted and supported OS/GUI ...
... as demonstrated by the success of Microsoft, Apple and Google
with their offerings.
Steven J Vaughan-Nichols <https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-has-over-6-of-the-desktop-market-yes-you-read-that-right-heres-how/>
says:
According to the US Federal Government Website and App Analytics,
which I trust far more than I do StatCounter, 6% of its visitors
over the last month were using Linux operating systems.
and
If you add in Android (16.2%) and Chromebooks (0.8%), you're
talking about 23% of visitors using Linux, which puts it above
MacOS (11.7%), Windows 10 (15.7%), and Windows 11 (15.3%), which
is downright impressive. Take that, Windows.
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 19:58:29 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
That's about 5,000 total websites". So 5000 websites versus 1.5
million websites. Which do you think is a more accurate picture? The
larger sample or the smaller sample?
The one that is less biased, of course. The StatCounter sites seem to be accounting for less and less web traffic, which is why many consider its measurements to be less and less reliable.
On Jul 19, 2025 at 6:23:32 AM EDT, "Daniel70"<daniel47@eternal-september.org>
wrote:
On 18/07/2025 5:11 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Steven J Vaughan-Nichols <https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-has-over-6-of-the-desktop-market-yes-y
ou-read-that-right-heres-how/>
says:
According to the US Federal Government Website and App Analytics,
which I trust far more than I do StatCounter, 6% of its visitors
over the last month were using Linux operating systems.
and
If you add in Android (16.2%) and Chromebooks (0.8%), you're
talking about 23% of visitors using Linux, which puts it above
MacOS (11.7%), Windows 10 (15.7%), and Windows 11 (15.3%), which
is downright impressive. Take that, Windows.
Seems to me, if you are going to add all the Variants of Linux together
to come up with your "about 23%' then you could add all your Windows Variants (10 + 11 only) together as well .... which gives you 31% ....
so still more than the Linux Variants!!
Obviously the writer at the link above is strongly biased to Linux. He even omitted iPhones and iPads from the numbers. Which when you combine that with Mac you get 46%.
Seems to me, if you are going to add all the Variants of Linux together
to come up with your "about 23%' then you could add all your Windows
Variants (10 + 11 only) together as well .... which gives you 31% ....
so still more than the Linux Variants!!
On Jul 18, 2025 at 7:22:43 PM EDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 19:58:29 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
That's about 5,000 total websites". So 5000 websites versus 1.5
million websites. Which do you think is a more accurate picture? The
larger sample or the smaller sample?
The one that is less biased, of course. The StatCounter sites seem to
be accounting for less and less web traffic, which is why many consider
its measurements to be less and less reliable.
"seem to be accounting for less and less web traffic"? With 1.5 million sites?
And yet they closely match the government website numbers.
A whole lot of Linux-pushers don’t like Windows but Really Hate Crapple.
I ignore them.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 12:33:10 -0400, WolfFan wrote:
A whole lot of Linux-pushers don’t like Windows but Really Hate Crapple.
I ignore them.
You use the term “Crapple”, yet you don’t hate the company, I suppose ...
Steven J Vaughan-Nichols <https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-has-over-6-of-the-desktop-market-yes-you-read-that-right-heres-how/>
says:
According to the US Federal Government Website and App Analytics,
which I trust far more than I do StatCounter, 6% of its visitors
over the last month were using Linux operating systems.
and
If you add in Android (16.2%) and Chromebooks (0.8%), you're
talking about 23% of visitors using Linux, which puts it above
MacOS (11.7%), Windows 10 (15.7%), and Windows 11 (15.3%), which
is downright impressive. Take that, Windows.
They are nice enough to offer the raw data, so you can do your own
analysis.
By the way, for those who like to rely on dubious sources like
StatCounter, even that agrees that Linux is more than 5% of the US
market.
What about internationally? Do you think that would be lower or
higher?
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 13:57:25 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
On Jul 18, 2025 at 7:22:43 PM EDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 19:58:29 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
That's about 5,000 total websites". So 5000 websites versus 1.5
million websites. Which do you think is a more accurate picture? The
larger sample or the smaller sample?
The one that is less biased, of course. The StatCounter sites seem to
be accounting for less and less web traffic, which is why many consider
its measurements to be less and less reliable.
"seem to be accounting for less and less web traffic"? With 1.5 million
sites?
That is just a tiny fraction of all the websites out there. And given they and their users are largely self-selected, that is easily going to fall
prey to bias, leading to such things as over-representation of more privileged groups (e.g. those who can afford Apple gear, the latest
Windows 11 machines) etc.
Whereas with Government sites, everybody needs to access Government
services at some point, no matter what walk of life they come from. That
is a factor that helps to offset bias.
And yet they closely match the government website numbers.
Fine if you accept StatCounter where it agrees, and reject where it disagrees. There is a name for that: “selection bias”.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 13:57:25 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
On Jul 18, 2025 at 7:22:43 PM EDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 19:58:29 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
That's about 5,000 total websites". So 5000 websites versus 1.5
million websites. Which do you think is a more accurate picture? The
larger sample or the smaller sample?
The one that is less biased, of course. The StatCounter sites seem to
be accounting for less and less web traffic, which is why many consider
its measurements to be less and less reliable.
"seem to be accounting for less and less web traffic"? With 1.5 million
sites?
That is just a tiny fraction of all the websites out there. And given they and their users are largely self-selected, that is easily going to fall
prey to bias, leading to such things as over-representation of more privileged groups (e.g. those who can afford Apple gear, the latest
Windows 11 machines) etc.
Whereas with Government sites, everybody needs to access Government
services at some point, no matter what walk of life they come from. That
is a factor that helps to offset bias.
And yet they closely match the government website numbers.
Fine if you accept StatCounter where it agrees, and reject where it disagrees. There is a name for that: “selection bias”.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Steven J Vaughan-Nichols
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-has-over-6-of-the-desktop-market-yes-you-read-that-right-heres-how/>
says:
According to the US Federal Government Website and App Analytics,
which I trust far more than I do StatCounter, 6% of its visitors
over the last month were using Linux operating systems.
and
If you add in Android (16.2%) and Chromebooks (0.8%), you're
talking about 23% of visitors using Linux, which puts it above
MacOS (11.7%), Windows 10 (15.7%), and Windows 11 (15.3%), which
is downright impressive. Take that, Windows.
You must be really desperate to quote such utter idiocy to 'support'
your point.
Why not just be glad with the 6% (and 5% for StatCounter) number for
Linux?
That's much more realistic than adding Android and ChromeOS
(clue-by-four: Android can not (realistically) run Linux software) to
the Linux number, while *not* adding Windows 10 and 11 (shall we split
up the 6% by distribution and version!?) and - as Tyrone mentions - 'conventiently' 'forgetting' iOS.
They are nice enough to offer the raw data, so you can do your own
analysis.
And come to the conclusion that 6% is quite a bit less than 11.7%,
which is quite a bit less than and 31%!? Yes, we had figured that out,
thank you very much!
On 2025-07-20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 13:57:25 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
On Jul 18, 2025 at 7:22:43 PM EDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 19:58:29 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
That's about 5,000 total websites". So 5000 websites versus 1.5
million websites. Which do you think is a more accurate picture? The >>>>> larger sample or the smaller sample?
The one that is less biased, of course. The StatCounter sites seem to
be accounting for less and less web traffic, which is why many consider >>>> its measurements to be less and less reliable.
"seem to be accounting for less and less web traffic"? With 1.5 million >>> sites?
That is just a tiny fraction of all the websites out there. And given they >> and their users are largely self-selected, that is easily going to fall
prey to bias, leading to such things as over-representation of more
privileged groups (e.g. those who can afford Apple gear, the latest
Windows 11 machines) etc.
Whereas with Government sites, everybody needs to access Government
services at some point, no matter what walk of life they come from. That
is a factor that helps to offset bias.
And yet they closely match the government website numbers.
Fine if you accept StatCounter where it agrees, and reject where it
disagrees. There is a name for that: “selection bias”.
Linux is also used extensively on IBM mainframes and no the mainframe isn't dead.
At least not yet. Linux partitions are run in logical LPARS on IBM zSeries machines
and IBM additionally manufactures Linux specific mainframe z machines.
One popular application is to run MongoDB.
Another application is to run a hybrid cloud.
All of which is irrelevant to this thread which is a claim that Linux is booming in the *desktop* market.
So if 1.5 million websites is "A tiny fraction of all the websites out
there" what is 5000 websites owned by the same "company"
When I see a linux, or a windows, guy use ‘crapple’ I know to ignore anything he posts.
Crowing about a set of numbers that only adds up to 65% is pretty
funny.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 17:08:33 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
Crowing about a set of numbers that only adds up to 65% is pretty
funny.
Especially when Microsoft alone adds up to ... oh, wait ...
If all the Lemmings are jumping off a cliff ...
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 02:19:20 -0400, Paul wrote:
If all the Lemmings are jumping off a cliff ...
Bearing in mind we see the users of proprietary platforms as the
?lemmings? ...
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 10:03:33 -0400, WolfFan wrote:
When I see a linux, or a windows, guy use ‘crapple’ I know to ignore anything he posts.
Here’s to plonking you, then.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 20:23:32 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
Seems to me, if you are going to add all the Variants of Linux
together to come up with your "about 23%' then you could add all
your Windows Variants (10 + 11 only) together as well .... which
gives you 31% .... so still more than the Linux Variants!!
But not much more. If you put it that way, it makes even more stark
the fact that Windows has completely lost any dominance it may ever
have had in the computing landscape.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 03:23:41 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 20:23:32 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
Seems to me, if you are going to add all the Variants of Linux
together to come up with your "about 23%' then you could add all
your Windows Variants (10 + 11 only) together as well .... which
gives you 31% .... so still more than the Linux Variants!!
But not much more. If you put it that way, it makes even more stark
the fact that Windows has completely lost any dominance it may ever
have had in the computing landscape.
I wonder if this is part of a trend: WhatsApp is abandoning its Windows-native app, in favour of a browser-based one for that platform <https://www.theverge.com/news/710509/whatsapp-windows-app-web-wrapper-changes>.
Since when has the Windows market been too small to justify the
development of a platform-native app?
Since now, I guess ...
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 03:23:41 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 20:23:32 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
Seems to me, if you are going to add all the Variants of Linux
together to come up with your "about 23%' then you could add all
your Windows Variants (10 + 11 only) together as well .... which
gives you 31% .... so still more than the Linux Variants!!
But not much more. If you put it that way, it makes even more stark
the fact that Windows has completely lost any dominance it may ever
have had in the computing landscape.
I wonder if this is part of a trend: WhatsApp is abandoning its Windows-native app, in favour of a browser-based one for that platform <https://www.theverge.com/news/710509/whatsapp-windows-app-web-wrapper-changes>.
Since when has the Windows market been too small to justify the
development of a platform-native app?
Since now, I guess ...
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 03:23:41 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 20:23:32 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
Seems to me, if you are going to add all the Variants of Linux
together to come up with your "about 23%' then you could add all
your Windows Variants (10 + 11 only) together as well .... which
gives you 31% .... so still more than the Linux Variants!!
But not much more. If you put it that way, it makes even more stark
the fact that Windows has completely lost any dominance it may ever
have had in the computing landscape.
I wonder if this is part of a trend: WhatsApp is abandoning its Windows-native app, in favour of a browser-based one for that platform <https://www.theverge.com/news/710509/whatsapp-windows-app-web-wrapper-changes>.
Since when has the Windows market been too small to justify the
development of a platform-native app?
Since now, I guess ...
On 2025-07-21 8:05 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Since when has the Windows market been too small to justify the
development of a platform-native app?
Since now, I guess ...
Developing a browser-based one allows the company to cater to all
operating systems in one go. It's a cost-cutting measure which
simultaneously increases the potential customer base.
"Zuck" has been accused of buying WhatsApp, in order to crush a
competitor. Ruining an executable, can be interpreted more ways with
"Zuck" in the sentence, than if some other situation was involved.
Try and carry out your style of analysis with Microsoft and Skype.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 10:08:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-07-21 8:05 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Since when has the Windows market been too small to justify the
development of a platform-native app?
Since now, I guess ...
Developing a browser-based one allows the company to cater to all
operating systems in one go. It's a cost-cutting measure which
simultaneously increases the potential customer base.
Still, there is the fact that a browser-based app is going to come off second-best in terms of UI experience.
Windows is no longer worth the extra investment.--
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 16:57:56 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
So if 1.5 million websites is "A tiny fraction of all the websites out
there" what is 5000 websites owned by the same "company"
Whereas with Government sites, everybody needs to access Government
services at some point, no matter what walk of life they come from.
That is a factor that helps to offset bias.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 03:23:41 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 20:23:32 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
Seems to me, if you are going to add all the Variants of Linux
together to come up with your "about 23%' then you could add all
your Windows Variants (10 + 11 only) together as well .... which
gives you 31% .... so still more than the Linux Variants!!
But not much more. If you put it that way, it makes even more stark
the fact that Windows has completely lost any dominance it may ever
have had in the computing landscape.
I wonder if this is part of a trend: WhatsApp is abandoning its
Windows-native app, in favour of a browser-based one for that platform
<https://www.theverge.com/news/710509/whatsapp-windows-app-web-wrapper-changes>.
Since when has the Windows market been too small to justify the
development of a platform-native app?
Since now, I guess ...
AFAICT, it's not a "browser-based app", but a packaging of its web-app into a desktop app, i.e. the app doesn't run in the browser.
And AFAICT, it's still "a platform-native app", because it uses - i.e. depends on - Microsoft's Edge WebView2 technology, which AFAIK is not platform-independent.
On 23/07/2025 10:49 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Still, there is the fact that a browser-based app is going to come off
second-best in terms of UI experience.
Why do you suggest that?? If YOU don't like the way the app is handled
by YOUR Browser, you'd get a new browser, wouldn't you??
On 2025-07-21 07:41, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 16:57:56 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
So if 1.5 million websites is "A tiny fraction of all the websites out
there" what is 5000 websites owned by the same "company"
Whereas with Government sites, everybody needs to access Government
services at some point, no matter what walk of life they come from.
That is a factor that helps to offset bias.
Only considering one country.
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 13:45:07 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-07-21 07:41, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 16:57:56 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
So if 1.5 million websites is "A tiny fraction of all the websites out >>>> there" what is 5000 websites owned by the same "company"
Whereas with Government sites, everybody needs to access Government
services at some point, no matter what walk of life they come from.
That is a factor that helps to offset bias.
Only considering one country.
Feel free to add more stats if you have them.
On 2025-07-25 00:22, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 13:45:07 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-07-21 07:41, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 16:57:56 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
So if 1.5 million websites is "A tiny fraction of all the websites
out there" what is 5000 websites owned by the same "company"
Whereas with Government sites, everybody needs to access Government
services at some point, no matter what walk of life they come from.
That is a factor that helps to offset bias.
Only considering one country.
Feel free to add more stats if you have them.
I don't have any. But I read some site commenting that Linux usage is on
the increase in the EU.
On 2025-07-25 00:22, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 13:45:07 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-07-21 07:41, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 16:57:56 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
So if 1.5 million websites is "A tiny fraction of all the websites out >>>>> there" what is 5000 websites owned by the same "company"
Whereas with Government sites, everybody needs to access Government
services at some point, no matter what walk of life they come from.
That is a factor that helps to offset bias.
Only considering one country.
Feel free to add more stats if you have them.
I don't have any. But I read some site commenting that Linux usage is on
the increase in the EU. It is being promoted by some governments, and
some of them are switching to Linux. Two main reasons: Windows 11, and
Trump.
The article is in Spanish, so you will need an automated translator,
like DeepL.
<https://hipertextual.com/2025/07/linux-duplica-crecimiento-europa-windows>
Linux grows like never before in Europe as Windows plummets
Linux has doubled its market share in Europe in recent months, meaning that 2025 could be the year of Linux.
by Luis Miranda July 4, 2025
On 2025-07-25 07:56, Carlos E.R. wrote:Linux route. China sees using an American product as being a security problem (not because Windows is insecure but because it might have backdoors) and Europe wants to have digital sovereignty. All the power to them, honestly.
On 2025-07-25 00:22, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 13:45:07 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-07-21 07:41, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 16:57:56 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
So if 1.5 million websites is "A tiny fraction of all the websites out >>>>>> there" what is 5000 websites owned by the same "company"
Whereas with Government sites, everybody needs to access Government
services at some point, no matter what walk of life they come from.
That is a factor that helps to offset bias.
Only considering one country.
Feel free to add more stats if you have them.
I don't have any. But I read some site commenting that Linux usage is on the increase in the EU. It is being promoted by some governments, and some of them are switching to Linux. Two main reasons: Windows 11, and Trump.
The article is in Spanish, so you will need an automated translator, like DeepL.
<https://hipertextual.com/2025/07/linux-duplica-crecimiento-europa-windows> >>
Linux grows like never before in Europe as Windows plummets
Linux has doubled its market share in Europe in recent months, meaning that 2025 could be the year of Linux.
by Luis Miranda July 4, 2025
I'd be weary of any "year of Linux" statements. Nevertheless, both Europe and China seem to be moving away from Windows. China is replacing Windows with HarmonyOS which is supposedly not based on Android and performs better, whereas Europe is going the
If you have four hundred million computers, and it takes
roughly two hours to make a customer comfortable with what you just
installed ...
I'd be weary of any "year of Linux" statements.
On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 22:46:02 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
I'd be weary of any "year of Linux" statements.
Tell us, when was there a “year of Microsoft Windows”?
On Fri, 7/25/2025 10:46 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:the Linux route. China sees using an American product as being a security problem (not because Windows is insecure but because it might have backdoors) and Europe wants to have digital sovereignty. All the power to them, honestly.
On 2025-07-25 07:56, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-07-25 00:22, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 13:45:07 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-07-21 07:41, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 16:57:56 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
So if 1.5 million websites is "A tiny fraction of all the websites out >>>>>>> there" what is 5000 websites owned by the same "company"
Whereas with Government sites, everybody needs to access Government >>>>>> services at some point, no matter what walk of life they come from. >>>>>> That is a factor that helps to offset bias.
Only considering one country.
Feel free to add more stats if you have them.
I don't have any. But I read some site commenting that Linux usage is on the increase in the EU. It is being promoted by some governments, and some of them are switching to Linux. Two main reasons: Windows 11, and Trump.
The article is in Spanish, so you will need an automated translator, like DeepL.
<https://hipertextual.com/2025/07/linux-duplica-crecimiento-europa-windows> >>>
Linux grows like never before in Europe as Windows plummets
Linux has doubled its market share in Europe in recent months, meaning that 2025 could be the year of Linux.
by Luis Miranda July 4, 2025
I'd be weary of any "year of Linux" statements. Nevertheless, both Europe and China seem to be moving away from Windows. China is replacing Windows with HarmonyOS which is supposedly not based on Android and performs better, whereas Europe is going
Suffice to say, the percentage number can only grow, if there is
organization behind the transition. Even if Bremen city council changes
the desktop from Windows to Linux, that's still a relatively small number
of desktops.
Whereas a China style move, picking a favored OS for the country, it will have a nice installer included with it, and teams of people helping the transition forward. Maybe they can do a mass-pressing of DVDs and so on.
Which is something the "one-desktop-at-a-time-Year-Of-The-Linux-Desktop"
does not have. If you have four hundred million computers, and it takes roughly two hours to make a customer comfortable with what you just installed,
that's eight hundred million man-hours of labor that has to come from somewhere, from a team that's trained up well enough to manage it and
not leave people in a lurch. Not every Linux user here, is teacher enough
to teach people who hate computers, how to use Linux. I couldn't get
my younger brother interested in Windows or Computers, and Linux would definitely be a stretch. He'd likely go to the third floor of the
house, open the window, and pitch the test PC out the window. He
really does not like computers, but he does occasionally have
to email somebody.
If Linux had an "AOL 200 hours" campaign, that's the kind of organizing required to change the percentage number. Doing it one at a time in newsgroups, I've tried that before, and it takes a lot of hours to make progress. Like, I managed to save *one* person from the Google Groups thing. He was using Google Groups, and today he uses a News Client. But I had to make instruction manuals with pictures, to get him there.
On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 23:06:32 -0400, Paul wrote:
If you have four hundred million computers, and it takes
roughly two hours to make a customer comfortable with what you just
installed ...
How long does it take to become “comfortable” with Microsoft Windows?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 03:56 this Saturday (GMT):
How long does it take to become “comfortable” with Microsoft Windows?
Well it's pretty easy to when you're literally taught it in schools.
On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 18:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 03:56 this Saturday (GMT):
Well it's pretty easy to when you're literally taught it in schools.
How long does it take to become “comfortable” with Microsoft Windows? >>
Isn’t that supposed to be a good way to turn kids’ interest off from a subject -- force them to learn it in school?
On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 18:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 03:56 this Saturday (GMT):
Well it's pretty easy to when you're literally taught it in schools.
How long does it take to become “comfortable” with Microsoft Windows? >>
Isn’t that supposed to be a good way to turn kids’ interest off from a subject -- force them to learn it in school?
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