This is really socking it to Microsoft, isnt it ><https://www.zdnet.com/article/hate-windows-11-heres-how-you-can-make-it-work-more-like-windows-10/>:
pay them the Microsoft Tax on a new Windows machine, then make it act
just as though you were still using your old machine, as though you
hadnt upgraded at all.
Pay for the new functionality, and then dont
use any of it. That will really teach them.
This is why the say, Windows is a great OS -- if your time is worth
nothing.
Some day, Microsoft will make a great OS _and_ user interface.
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 15:15:29 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Some day, Microsoft will make a great OS _and_ user interface.
Or, you could look at platforms available today, not from Microsoft or
Apple, where the two exist on entirely separate layers, so you can switch
one without switching the other.
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 15:15:29 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Some day, Microsoft will make a great OS _and_ user interface.
The user does not give a s*** if he has a "great OS _and_
user interface". He only cares if his stuff runs.
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 21:45:39 -0700, T wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 15:15:29 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Some day, Microsoft will make a great OS _and_ user interface.
The user does not give a s*** if he has a "great OS _and_
user interface". He only cares if his stuff runs.
Maybe look at the comment you’re replying to before going off on the same old rant ...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> on Fri, 18 Jul 2025 07:19:59
-0000 (UTC) typed in alt.comp.os.windows-11 the following:
This is really socking it to Microsoft, isnt it ><https://www.zdnet.com/article/hate-windows-11-heres-how-you-can-make-it-work-more-like-windows-10/>:
I'd rather make it behave like Win XP.
pay them the Microsoft Tax on a new Windows machine, then make it act
just as though you were still using your old machine, as though you
hadnt upgraded at all.
Welcome to modern life, where you get to pay premium prices for a second or third rate "experience."
Pay for the new functionality, and then dont
use any of it. That will really teach them.
What if you consider all that "new functionality" so much garbage getting in the way of use of the machine?
This is why the say, Windows is a great OS -- if your time is worth >nothing.
Some day, Microsoft will make a great OS _and_ user interface.
On 7/18/25 7:34 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 15:15:29 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Some day, Microsoft will make a great OS _and_ user interface.
Or, you could look at platforms available today, not from Microsoft or
Apple, where the two exist on entirely separate layers, so you can switch
one without switching the other.
The user does not give a s*** if he has a "great OS _and_
user interface". He only cares if his stuff runs.
On 7/18/25 7:34 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 15:15:29 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Some day, Microsoft will make a great OS _and_ user interface.
Or, you could look at platforms available today, not from Microsoft or
Apple, where the two exist on entirely separate layers, so you can
switch one without switching the other.
The user does not give a s*** if he has a "great OS _and_
user interface". He only cares if his stuff runs.
On 2025-07-19 00:45, T wrote:
The user does not give a s*** if he has a "great OS _and_
user interface". He only cares if his stuff runs.
Agreed.
I make XP look like W95. Heh!
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 21:45:39 -0700, T wrote:
The user does not give a s*** if he has a "great OS _and_
user interface". He only cares if his stuff runs.
https://betanews.com/2025/07/18/this-new-windows-11-clone-is-actually- >>linux-and-runs-faster-on-your-old-pc-get-it-now/
Very interesting. Not what I would use, of course, but interesting that they'd bother to produce this, for those who'd want it.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:01:33 +0100, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
I make XP look like W95. Heh!
Some people still look on the loss of the Windows 3.x Program Manager as
the Work Of The Devil ...
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:01:33 +0100, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
I make XP look like W95. Heh!
Some people still look on the loss of the Windows 3.x Program Manager as
the Work Of The Devil ...
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 15:15:29 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Some day, Microsoft will make a great OS _and_ user interface.
Or, you could look at platforms available today, not from Microsoft or
Apple, where the two exist on entirely separate layers, so you can switch
one without switching the other.
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
<snip>
https://betanews.com/2025/07/18/this-new-windows-11-clone-is-actually-linux-and-runs-faster-on-your-old-pc-get-it-now/
Well, as usual, these kind of 'news' articles are quite misleading.
It's not a "clone" by any stretch of the imagination.
As said may times before, Wine doesn't cut the mustard, not for most Windows software/users, and especially not for the business customers
'T' is referring to.
That the thing *looks* like Windows on the outside is totally
irrelevant for most (read: nearly all) Windows users.
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 21:45:39 -0700, T wrote:
On 7/18/25 7:34 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 15:15:29 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Some day, Microsoft will make a great OS _and_ user interface.
Or, you could look at platforms available today, not from Microsoft or
Apple, where the two exist on entirely separate layers, so you can
switch one without switching the other.
The user does not give a s*** if he has a "great OS _and_
user interface". He only cares if his stuff runs.
https://betanews.com/2025/07/18/this-new-windows-11-clone-is-actually- linux-and-runs-faster-on-your-old-pc-get-it-now/
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 15:15:29 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Some day, Microsoft will make a great OS _and_ user interface.
Or, you could look at platforms available today, not from Microsoft or
Apple, where the two exist on entirely separate layers, so you can switch
one without switching the other.
One could indeed do that and have a nice looking OS with "entirely
separate layers" for OS and user interface. It won't run most (any?) of
your needed/existing software, but why worry about details like that!?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 15:15:29 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Some day, Microsoft will make a great OS _and_ user interface.
Or, you could look at platforms available today, not from Microsoft
or Apple, where the two exist on entirely separate layers, so you
can switch one without switching the other.
While not all of these are legitimate options, I suspect a couple
might be intended to work that way. The problem with alternativeto,
is items get misfiled, so some of the things closer to the bottom
are likely not solutions.
https://alternativeto.net/category/utilities/desktop-environment/?platform=windows
On Sun, 7/20/2025 11:12 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 15:15:29 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Some day, Microsoft will make a great OS _and_ user interface.
Or, you could look at platforms available today, not from Microsoft or
Apple, where the two exist on entirely separate layers, so you can switch >> one without switching the other.
One could indeed do that and have a nice looking OS with "entirely separate layers" for OS and user interface. It won't run most (any?) of your needed/existing software, but why worry about details like that!?
While not all of these are legitimate options, I suspect a couple
might be intended to work that way. The problem with alternativeto,
is items get misfiled, so some of the things closer to the bottom
are likely not solutions.
https://alternativeto.net/category/utilities/desktop-environment/?platform=windows
https://betanews.com/2025/07/18/this-new-windows-11-clone-is-actually-linux-and-runs-faster-on-your-old-pc-get-it-now/
rbowman wrote:
https://betanews.com/2025/07/18/this-new-windows-11-clone-is-actually-linux-and-runs-faster-on-your-old-pc-get-it-now/
I'm not a fan of such attempts to copy the look and feel of Windows.
It's going to result in confusion and disappointment.
On 2025-07-22 7:12 p.m., chrisv wrote:I downloaded it anyway. I'm really curious how it looks first hand.
rbowman wrote:
https://betanews.com/2025/07/18/this-new-windows-11-clone-is-actually-linux-and-runs-
faster-on-your-old-pc-get-it-now/
I'm not a fan of such attempts to copy the look and feel of Windows.
It's going to result in confusion and disappointment.
Agreed. The Mac didn't convince people to migrate over from Windows by looking like Windows.
Agreed.
On 2025-07-22 7:12 p.m., chrisv wrote:
rbowman wrote:
https://betanews.com/2025/07/18/this-new-windows-11-clone-is-actually- linux-and-runs-faster-on-your-old-pc-get-it-now/
I'm not a fan of such attempts to copy the look and feel of Windows.
It's going to result in confusion and disappointment.
Agreed. The Mac didn't convince people to migrate over from Windows by looking like Windows.
On 7/23/25 8:37 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-07-22 7:12 p.m., chrisv wrote:I downloaded it anyway. I'm really curious how it looks first hand.
rbowman wrote:
https://betanews.com/2025/07/18/this-new-windows-11-clone-is-actually-linux-and-runs-
faster-on-your-old-pc-get-it-now/
I'm not a fan of such attempts to copy the look and feel of Windows.
It's going to result in confusion and disappointment.
Agreed. The Mac didn't convince people to migrate over from Windows by looking like
Windows.
No harm putting it on a ventoy usb. I've run KDE before. I'm retired, I've got time to
play! :-)
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 08:37:19 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-07-22 7:12 p.m., chrisv wrote:linux-and-runs-faster-on-your-old-pc-get-it-now/
rbowman wrote:
https://betanews.com/2025/07/18/this-new-windows-11-clone-is-actually-
I'm not a fan of such attempts to copy the look and feel of Windows.
It's going to result in confusion and disappointment.
Agreed. The Mac didn't convince people to migrate over from Windows by
looking like Windows.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/14pgonm/ users_that_switched_from_windows_to_mac/
I was surprised by the number of responses talking about the 'Apple ecosystem'. 'Well I have a iPhone, iWatch, iPad, Apple TV, and iUnderwear
so it made sense to switch to a Mac.'
Another complaint is the build quality of cheap Windows laptops. Those
users seem to miss the point that if they'd bought a Windows laptop that
cost as much as a Apple it might have better quality.
Not too many said it was because the Mac has a fantastic UI.
But their hardware support and their CPU-arch-of-the-week practice
ensure I would never go back. Some day they're run out of excuses and
the "new box will run on an Arduino". Because that's the only CPU they
hadn't tried yet.
On 7/23/25 10:58 AM, Alan K. wrote:
On 7/23/25 8:37 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:Hey, this is really wierd. They got a theme for KDE, icons, and a power director (or some such thing) that is the settings app, and it looks
On 2025-07-22 7:12 p.m., chrisv wrote:I downloaded it anyway. I'm really curious how it looks first hand.
rbowman wrote:
https://betanews.com/2025/07/18/this-new-windows-11-clone-is- actually-linux-and-runs-
faster-on-your-old-pc-get-it-now/
I'm not a fan of such attempts to copy the look and feel of Windows.
It's going to result in confusion and disappointment.
Agreed. The Mac didn't convince people to migrate over from Windows by
looking like Windows.
No harm putting it on a ventoy usb. I've run KDE before. I'm retired,
I've got time to play! :-)
just like Windows 11.
Errie. You think you are on windows but you're not. Someone spent some
nice time on the project.
But their hardware support and their CPU-arch-of-the-week
practice ensure I would never go back. Some day they're run
out of excuses and the "new box will run on an Arduino".
Because that's the only CPU they hadn't tried yet.
Paul wrote:
But their hardware support and their CPU-arch-of-the-week
practice ensure I would never go back. Some day they're run
out of excuses and the "new box will run on an Arduino".
Because that's the only CPU they hadn't tried yet.
I don't think that's fair. The CPU changes that they've made seem
logical, to me. I'll add that I'm impressed that they were able to
change CPU's without too many problems or disruption.
Some day they're run out of excuses and the "new box will run on an
Arduino". Because that's the only CPU [Apple] hadn't tried yet.
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 17:12:33 -0400, Paul wrote:
Some day they're run out of excuses and the "new box will run on an
Arduino". Because that's the only CPU [Apple] hadn't tried yet.
RISC-V is the up-and-coming hawtness, surely.
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 08:37:19 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
Agreed.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! As if anyone gives a flying fuck about
with what you agree or disagree.
To the intelligent participant, you are known as an abysmally
incompetent and ignoramus super-dumbfuck.
Consider sparing the global Usenet servers of your totally
useless bits.
On 24/07/2025 1:57 am, Diego Garcia wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 08:37:19 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:Alternatively, if YOU don't like what CrudeSausage posts, YOU could just Kill-file CrudeSausage and save the rest of us having to read your
Agreed.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! As if anyone gives a flying fuck about
with what you agree or disagree.
To the intelligent participant, you are known as an abysmally
incompetent and ignoramus super-dumbfuck.
Consider sparing the global Usenet servers of your totally
useless bits.
bitching ..... or doesn't your 'newsreader' have that function, Diego Garcia??
chrisv wrote:
Paul wrote:
But their hardware support and their CPU-arch-of-the-week
practice ensure I would never go back. Some day they're run
out of excuses and the "new box will run on an Arduino".
Because that's the only CPU they hadn't tried yet.
I don't think that's fair. The CPU changes that they've made seem
logical, to me. I'll add that I'm impressed that they were able to
change CPU's without too many problems or disruption.
It was logical at first, but a Fetish later.
Paul wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Paul wrote:
But their hardware support and their CPU-arch-of-the-week
practice ensure I would never go back. Some day they're run
out of excuses and the "new box will run on an Arduino".
Because that's the only CPU they hadn't tried yet.
I don't think that's fair. The CPU changes that they've made seem
logical, to me. I'll add that I'm impressed that they were able to
change CPU's without too many problems or disruption.
It was logical at first, but a Fetish later.
Why would you say the switch to Arm was due to some "fetish"?
if they didn't like Intel... they could have stayed with PowerPC.
PowerPC has a relatively low gate count, and there could be a number of candidates for making one.
chrisv wrote:
Paul wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Paul wrote:
But their hardware support and their CPU-arch-of-the-week
practice ensure I would never go back. Some day they're run
out of excuses and the "new box will run on an Arduino".
Because that's the only CPU they hadn't tried yet.
I don't think that's fair. The CPU changes that they've made seem
logical, to me. I'll add that I'm impressed that they were able to
change CPU's without too many problems or disruption.
It was logical at first, but a Fetish later.
Why would you say the switch to Arm was due to some "fetish"?
They could easily have stayed with Intel, and supported
whatever investment their customers had made in x86.
if they didn't like Intel... they could have stayed with PowerPC.
PowerPC has a relatively low gate count, and there could be a number
of candidates for making one.
Fewer ISA changes equals a more stable ecosystem and less churn.
Paul wrote:
Fewer ISA changes equals a more stable ecosystem and less churn.
They seem to have managed it well. Technology changes, and some pain
can be justified in moving to a new platform.
Staying with a technology, for the sake of "stability", is very often penny-wise and pound-foolish. Look at some of our government's
computing systems.
chrisv wrote:
Paul wrote:
Fewer ISA changes equals a more stable ecosystem and less churn.
They seem to have managed it well. Technology changes, and some pain
can be justified in moving to a new platform.
Staying with a technology, for the sake of "stability", is very often
penny-wise and pound-foolish. Look at some of our government's
computing systems.
The churn is why I quit them. I used to be a Mac user.
There are three Macs sitting in the room (old ones).
Once i could see a pattern, that the churn was just a
business plan, that put a different light on things.
I wasn't about to throw my software away, over and over again.
The "faithful", if tomorrow Apple started making RISCV boxes,
the faithful would salute and declare it the best of
all possible worlds. Fine, and see you later...
The "faithful", if tomorrow Apple started making RISCV boxes, the
faithful would salute and declare it the best of all possible worlds.
The "faithful", if tomorrow Apple started making RISCV boxes,
the faithful would salute and declare it the best of all possible
worlds. Fine, and see you later...
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