Weird, I didn't use their app to make my USB media, rather I used
Debian's provided Disk Image Writer. When you "burned" the ISO which
app were you using?
That pretty much looks like the right thing, I dunno. In the past I
think I used Fedora's custom app once, this time I didn't bother, and it worked fine. But Mintstick may be slightly different, I have no idea.
On 8/12/25 10:27 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 21:38:45 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote:
Downloaded the .iso and burned it to a flash drive. Didn't work.
Turns out you have to install a program from Fedora to install Fedora,
even to a flash drive.
It's called Fedora Media Writer. It's a FlatPak app. I've removed
flatpak functionality from Mint because I don't prefer to use
flatpaks.
Obviously you don't know what you're doing. fwiw Fedora Media Writer
did not work for me but somehow I managed to create a bootable
thumbdrive without it.
No wonder you use Mint, a distro designed for the less than proficient.
I was a bit confused by his resolution, that he needed to format the
disk with a certain file system to make it work, I would've thought the
image writer app would do that automatically, then again what do I know.
On 8/12/25 10:53 PM, CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 22:29:54 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 8/12/25 10:27 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 21:38:45 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote:
Downloaded the .iso and burned it to a flash drive. Didn't work.
Turns out you have to install a program from Fedora to install
Fedora,
even to a flash drive.
It's called Fedora Media Writer. It's a FlatPak app. I've removed
flatpak functionality from Mint because I don't prefer to use
flatpaks.
Obviously you don't know what you're doing. fwiw Fedora Media Writer
did not work for me but somehow I managed to create a bootable
thumbdrive without it.
No wonder you use Mint, a distro designed for the less than
proficient.
I was a bit confused by his resolution, that he needed to format the
disk with a certain file system to make it work, I would've thought
the image writer app would do that automatically, then again what do I
know.
It didn't.
To be honest, I thought for a while that the Fedora installer had
detected that I was already using a Linux distro and wasn't going to
all me to install another because I had already chose another before it
and was jealous.🙃️
This is starting to sound strangely familiar ...
Downloaded the .iso and burned it to a flash drive. Didn't work. Turns
out you have to install a program from Fedora to install Fedora, even to
a flash drive.
It's called Fedora Media Writer. It's a FlatPak app. I've removed
flatpak functionality from Mint because I don't prefer to use flatpaks.
Downloaded the .iso and burned it to a flash drive. Didn't work.
Turns out you have to install a program from Fedora to install
Fedora, even to a flash drive.
On 12.08.2025 21:38 CtrlAltDel CtrlAltDel wrote:
Downloaded the .iso and burned it to a flash drive. Didn't work.
Turns out you have to install a program from Fedora to install Fedora,
even to a flash drive.
Which software did you use?
I normally use dd to write to write it directly on the USB thumb device
and that worked.
I'm pretty happy with Fedora. I noticed that Debian has a new release, though, so if I have some kind of problem I might give that a try. Not planning to, though.
I used Mint's USB Driver, used to be named Mint Stick. I also tried the
write with Balena Etcher. Apparently, with Fedora, the flash drive must be >manually formatted to EXT4 or exFat before their installation .iso boots >properly.
CtrlAltDel wrote:
I used Mint's USB Driver, used to be named Mint Stick. I also tried the >>write with Balena Etcher. Apparently, with Fedora, the flash drive must
be manually formatted to EXT4 or exFat before their installation .iso
boots properly.
This does not make sense, the image already contains the file system, partition table and all files needed. And anyway, I am quite sure that
all the "tools" you use, including Balena Etcher and Fedora Image Writer
etc are all just GUIs for dd, which does basically the same job whether called from the command line or from some or other GUI.
-jw-
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 21:38:45 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote:
Downloaded the .iso and burned it to a flash drive. Didn't work. Turns
out you have to install a program from Fedora to install Fedora, even to
a flash drive.
It's called Fedora Media Writer. It's a FlatPak app. I've removed
flatpak functionality from Mint because I don't prefer to use flatpaks.
Obviously you don't know what you're doing. fwiw Fedora Media Writer did
not work for me but somehow I managed to create a bootable thumbdrive
without it.
No wonder you use Mint, a distro designed for the less than proficient.
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 18:30:53 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
That pretty much looks like the right thing, I dunno. In the past I
think I used Fedora's custom app once, this time I didn't bother, and it
worked fine. But Mintstick may be slightly different, I have no idea.
I had the flash drive formatted to FAT32. After changing it to EXT4, it booted fine.
This is stupid as hell!!! Why just don't use command line prog. dd?!? It never fail for me! Do you like make many useless clicks?!?
BTW: Some times I feel out of power, eg. in above situation. I even
wrote special chapter how to download iso, verify it, and write with dd.
This is part. of my monograph (indeed written in polish) "Zabezp. Sys. Debian-Ubuntu", entirely for free (like free beer) in PDF from URL:
<https://energokod.pl/monografie/Zabezp.%20Sys.%20Debian-Ubuntu.pdf>
Why in the hell would I use command line when I have graphical interfaces
at the tip of a finger?
Because the majority of GNU/Linux commands don't have a GUI front end.
I'm not sure why dd works and the others don't. I do know that after
each .iso write with the flash drive formatted to FAT32, once with USB
Image Writer and once with Balena, all I was able to do was boot to the
grub screen and select "Start Fedora Cinnamom Live 42.
After that, black screen and the monitor lost it's HDMI Input signal and
that was that. Upon formatting the same flash drive to EXT4, it booted
up normally.
From reading your posts, I've noticed that many times your mind doesn't
work.
It takes a mind to recognize a mind, and you have no mind.
I'm not that interested in Fedora. The first program I wanted to
install was Pan Newsreader. Unlike 99.9% of distros, Pan isn't natively included in their software repository.
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 09:27:18 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote:
I'm not that interested in Fedora. The first program I wanted to
install was Pan Newsreader. Unlike 99.9% of distros, Pan isn't
natively included in their software repository.
Which Fedora flavor? Pan is GNOME. I have it my Ubuntu box, which is one reason to keep Ubuntu around but the Fedora box is KDE. I really liked
KNode but that's gone now so I have slrn on Fedora as a backup.
I had that problem with OpenSUSE 13.2. By default it used btrfs for everything and grub couldn't handle it. Same deal, all was good until
you selected OpenSUSE from the menu and then a black screen. The
solution was to specify EXT4.
I mean, I could use wooden wheels on my vehicles like they did in the
early 20th century. They would last longer and there would be no flat
tires but, the ride is horrible and will likely damage internal organs
when hitting bumps.
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 19:27:26 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
It takes a mind to recognize a mind, and you have no mind.
Why are there only 468 users of Gentoo worldwide?
That's pitiful. Why not use a more popular distro? Just because you can brush your two remaining teeth with a soft stick doesn't mean you have to.
In modern times, most people use toothbrushes purchased at stores.
On 13 Aug 2025 19:25:05 GMT, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 09:27:18 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote:
I'm not that interested in Fedora. The first program I wanted to
install was Pan Newsreader. Unlike 99.9% of distros, Pan isn't
natively included in their software repository.
Which Fedora flavor? Pan is GNOME. I have it my Ubuntu box, which is
one reason to keep Ubuntu around but the Fedora box is KDE. I really
liked KNode but that's gone now so I have slrn on Fedora as a backup.
It was the Cinnamon spin.
On 2025-08-13 3:43 p.m., CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 19:27:26 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
It takes a mind to recognize a mind, and you have no mind.
Why are there only 468 users of Gentoo worldwide?
That's pitiful. Why not use a more popular distro? Just because you can
brush your two remaining teeth with a soft stick doesn't mean you have to. >>
In modern times, most people use toothbrushes purchased at stores.
468 users of Gentoo sounds about right. Of those, maybe 2 actually
contribute financially to its development.
CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-08-13 3:43 p.m., CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 19:27:26 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
It takes a mind to recognize a mind, and you have no mind.
Why are there only 468 users of Gentoo worldwide?
That's pitiful. Why not use a more popular distro? Just because you can >>> brush your two remaining teeth with a soft stick doesn't mean you have to. >>>
In modern times, most people use toothbrushes purchased at stores.
468 users of Gentoo sounds about right. Of those, maybe 2 actually
contribute financially to its development.
Bad attitude.
Not really. I find it gross that people use open-source but don't think
of financing some of the projects they like. I have yet not to give some money to the distributions I've used, even when I don't actually use
them. It's not normal to use this kind of software with no desire to contribute to its further development in one way or another.
Because using USB Image Writer (mintstick) is a single click to a GUI,
then pick your .iso image and your thumb drive and click "Write."
Extremely simple and to the point.
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 18:26:14 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
This is stupid as hell!!! Why just don't use command line prog. dd?!? It
never fail for me! Do you like make many useless clicks?!?
BTW: Some times I feel out of power, eg. in above situation. I even
wrote special chapter how to download iso, verify it, and write with dd.
This is part. of my monograph (indeed written in polish) "Zabezp. Sys.
Debian-Ubuntu", entirely for free (like free beer) in PDF from URL:
<https://energokod.pl/monografie/Zabezp.%20Sys.%20Debian-Ubuntu.pdf>
Why in the hell would I use command line when I have graphical interfaces
at the tip of a finger?
I guess you are kind of like one of those nerds
who used to rave about QDOS, 86-DOS, and MS-DOS and thought that the
coming of buttons and clickable items was akin to the earth melting.
I mean, I could use wooden wheels on my vehicles like they did in the
early 20th century. They would last longer and there would be no flat
tires but, the ride is horrible and will likely damage internal organs
when hitting bumps.
On 13 Aug 2025 19:20:51 GMT, rbowman wrote:
I had that problem with OpenSUSE 13.2. By default it used btrfs for
everything and grub couldn't handle it. Same deal, all was good until
you selected OpenSUSE from the menu and then a black screen. The
solution was to specify EXT4.
Right. It was disappointing. It wasn't a big issue to overcome at all but, why? Why can't Fedora simply offer a .iso that boots normally on FAT32 without formatting to EXT4?
On top of that, there was no instruction whatsoever that this was
required; they just leave it to the user to figure out because they don't give a damn.
Then when I jumped through hoops to install Pan, which is bizarre, I
copied over the Pan2 config. folder from Mint and that made Fedora go into
an epileptic fit and start throwing up ridiculous error messages after Pan would refuse to open.
After those two unnecessary unpleasantries, I could just imagine what lay ahead for even the most simple of tasks. Why bother?
Downloaded the .iso and burned it to a flash drive. Didn't work.
Turns out you have to install a program from Fedora to install Fedora,
even to a flash drive.
They aren't ready for prime time.
Why in the hell would I use command line when I have graphical
interfaces at the tip of a finger?
Because it works when you tool doesn't.
Le 13-08-2025, CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> a écrit :
On 13 Aug 2025 19:20:51 GMT, rbowman wrote:
I had that problem with OpenSUSE 13.2. By default it used btrfs for
everything and grub couldn't handle it. Same deal, all was good until
you selected OpenSUSE from the menu and then a black screen. The
solution was to specify EXT4.
Right. It was disappointing. It wasn't a big issue to overcome at all
but,
why? Why can't Fedora simply offer a .iso that boots normally on FAT32
without formatting to EXT4?
It's not related with Fedora, it's related with you. You can't learn anything, so when it fails, you need others to help you. You would have
the same issue with a Mint iso. You don't want to understand that, but
that's the reality.
On top of that, there was no instruction whatsoever that this was
required; they just leave it to the user to figure out because they
don't give a damn.
In fact, I have a lot of fun looking at your issue.
Then when I jumped through hoops to install Pan, which is bizarre, I
copied over the Pan2 config. folder from Mint and that made Fedora go
into an epileptic fit and start throwing up ridiculous error messages
after Pan would refuse to open.
Don't know. You probably messed things up. But it's funny to see you struggling like that with the basics.
After those two unnecessary unpleasantries, I could just imagine what
lay ahead for even the most simple of tasks. Why bother?
You are right. No need to bother. You should stay with what you are comfortable with. Knowledge is useless.
That's not. There is no reason why your tool could install a mint iso
and not a fedora iso.
Completely irrelevant brain spasm but have you ever seen a bicycle with wooden rims? Not a penny-farthing but a normal 'safety bicycle'?
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/wood-rims-and-tires.206152/page-2
I've seen them in museums but didn't know you could buy new ones.
On 14 Aug 2025 00:18:30 GMT, rbowman wrote:
Completely irrelevant brain spasm but have you ever seen a bicycle with
wooden rims? Not a penny-farthing but a normal 'safety bicycle'?
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/wood-rims-and-tires.206152/page-2
I've seen them in museums but didn't know you could buy new ones.
I didn't either. Check out this:
https://shorturl.at/II1hB
adult tricycle with wooden pedals and seat and steel tires. Never a flat
tire did it see. 😉️
But, contrary to your false insinuations and incorrect assumptions, a
Mint .iso does not require formatting a flash to EXT4 or exFAT in order to boot properly and install.
Le 15-08-2025, CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> a écrit :
But, contrary to your false insinuations and incorrect assumptions, a
Mint .iso does not require formatting a flash to EXT4 or exFAT in order
to boot properly and install.
That's exactly my point: you don't know what you do and when it doesn't
work as you expect you blame something else.
I don't know why you needed to format your stick with ext4, but I no
it's not related with Fedora. You can pretend whatever you want: you are wrong.
468 users of Gentoo sounds about right. Of those, maybe 2 actually
contribute financially to its development.
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 20:33:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
468 users of Gentoo sounds about right. Of those, maybe 2 actually
contribute financially to its development.
Says someone who wouldn’t even know what it would mean to “contribute” to a Free Software project ...
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 20:33:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
468 users of Gentoo sounds about right. Of those, maybe 2 actually
contribute financially to its development.
Says someone who wouldn’t even know what it would mean to “contribute” to
a Free Software project ...
On 2025-08-17 3:18 a.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 20:33:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
468 users of Gentoo sounds about right. Of those, maybe 2 actually
contribute financially to its development.
Says someone who wouldn’t even know what it would mean to “contribute” >> to a Free Software project ...
I translated for GNOME and have given money to Mint (two Litecoins), Endeavour, LibreOffice and other projects. I will bet that in doing so,
I have already contributed more than you have.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 09:29:39 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-08-17 3:18 a.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 20:33:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
468 users of Gentoo sounds about right. Of those, maybe 2 actually
contribute financially to its development.
Says someone who wouldn’t even know what it would mean to “contribute”
to a Free Software project ...
I translated for GNOME and have given money to Mint (two Litecoins),
Endeavour, LibreOffice and other projects. I will bet that in doing so,
I have already contributed more than you have.
How much do you want to bet?
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