I really don't get it. It said there were updates, I tried to install
them, it just rebooted without going into the special update mode.
Couldn't make it happen, so I decided to download the recently released Debian 13 "trixie". So far it's been fine.
I really don't get it. It said there were updates, I tried to install
them, it just rebooted without going into the special update mode.
On 8/16/25 12:30 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
I really don't get it. It said there were updates, I tried to install
them, it just rebooted without going into the special update mode.
Couldn't make it happen, so I decided to download the recently
released Debian 13 "trixie". So far it's been fine.
To be fair, you can’t compare a distro which brings out a major new
version every six months with one that makes a point of keeping version
upheavals down to one every couple of years.
True, but I really wanted to be with Fedora, they just apparently don't
want to be with me.
Hopefully folks understand that after "being with" Fedora for several
years, the 6-month update cycle gets old. Also, Red Hat was tearing out parts of openssl, simply because they couldn't be bothered to understand
if it was patented or not. (It wasn't.)
I. Don't. Trust. Fedora. Period.
True, but I really wanted to be with Fedora, they just apparently don't
want to be with me.
On 8/16/25 12:30 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
I really don't get it. It said there were updates, I tried to install
them, it just rebooted without going into the special update mode.
Couldn't make it happen, so I decided to download the recently released
Debian 13 "trixie". So far it's been fine.
To be fair, you can’t compare a distro which brings out a major new
version every six months with one that makes a point of keeping version
upheavals down to one every couple of years.
True, but I really wanted to be with Fedora, they just apparently don't
want to be with me.
It was just simple software updates that were offered, not a reinstall
or something.
Suffice to say, I'm back to Debian, and that happens to have a new
release, so I have the latest stable version, and have put Fedora behind
me.
On 8/16/25 5:21 AM, CtrlAltDel wrote:
Suffice to say, I'm back to Debian, and that happens to have a new
release, so I have the latest stable version, and have put Fedora
behind me.
That's cool, Joel. I hope it works for you. Just don't ever update,
bro,
or they will know.
What are you talking about?
On 8/16/25 5:32 AM, CtrlAltDel wrote:
Suffice to say, I'm back to Debian, and that happens to have a new
release, so I have the latest stable version, and have put Fedora
behind me.
That's cool, Joel. I hope it works for you. Just don't ever update,
bro,
or they will know.
What are you talking about?
I'm advising you to not update, system or software, now that you have a
working version of Debian installed. It's not worth the chance you
have to take of the Debian maintainers figuring out you are updating
frivolously.
If everything works, never do anything again. As it stands, both Mint
and Fedora have penalized you for acting like updates can just be
installed whenever, however, as you see fit.
It may be time that you wake up and finally get the message or you are
going to run out of distros.
???
On 8/16/25 4:42 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 16-08-2025, Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
On 8/16/25 12:30 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
I really don't get it. It said there were updates, I tried to install >>>>> them, it just rebooted without going into the special update mode.
Couldn't make it happen, so I decided to download the recently released >>>>> Debian 13 "trixie". So far it's been fine.
If you change your distro each time something goes wrong, you'll never
improve. If you really are the tech guy you pretend to be, you should be
able to fix it.
To be fair, you can’t compare a distro which brings out a major new
version every six months with one that makes a point of keeping version >>>> upheavals down to one every couple of years.
True, but I really wanted to be with Fedora, they just apparently don't
want to be with me.
It looks like I've read something like that about another distro not so
long ago. Do you believe all the maintainers want you out?
It may be buggy software, it may be sabotage, it's hard to know.
Suffice to say I won't use Fedora again.
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:32:54 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
It was just simple software updates that were offered, not a reinstall
or something.
Regardless of that fact, they still may think you need to slow down even
on the software updates. If I were you, I would shoot a message to the
Fedora team and ask them if they are monitoring your usage habits.
Sounds like they are.
On 8/16/25 4:46 AM, CtrlAltDel wrote:
It was just simple software updates that were offered, not a reinstall
or something.
Regardless of that fact, they still may think you need to slow down
even on the software updates. If I were you, I would shoot a message to
the Fedora team and ask them if they are monitoring your usage habits.
Sounds like they are.
Suffice to say, I'm back to Debian, and that happens to have a new
release, so I have the latest stable version, and have put Fedora behind
me.
On 8/16/25 3:49 PM, pothead wrote:
It may be buggy software, it may be sabotage, it's hard to know.Aren't you the same person who was claiming that Microsoft somehow
Suffice to say I won't use Fedora again.
sabotaged your Windows install?
That was in a different era.
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:56:39 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
Suffice to say, I'm back to Debian, and that happens to have a new
release, so I have the latest stable version, and have put Fedora
behind me.
That's cool, Joel. I hope it works for you. Just don't ever update,
bro,
or they will know.
It's Fedora. I updated 485 packages on Tuesday and 306 today. It's not a distro for people who don't want to update every few days. However doing
the updates hasn't killed my system.
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 08:26:25 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote:
Personally, you may have arrived at a juncture in your Linux journey
where you just need to completely reformat your entire drive, install a
distro, and never, ever update for any reason whatsoever.
Spoken like a true Dimdows user.
Personally, you may have arrived at a juncture in your Linux journey
where you just need to completely reformat your entire drive, install a distro, and never, ever update for any reason whatsoever.
On 16 Aug 2025 06:14:25 GMT, LO AND BEHOLD; vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> determined that the following was of great importance to vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> and subsequently decided to freely share it with us
in <mgalu1F99e7U1@mid.individual.net>:
I. Don't. Trust. Fedora. Period.
CentOS was nice while it lasted, but you gamers and knob-twiddlers want
to bloat out every distro with bells, whistles, and kitchen sinks. I'm
sure it wouldn't have met your demands.
Ubuntu-studio has worked nicely for my creative arts endeavours.
https://ubuntustudio.org
I still prefer Debian because I can install it on a Pentium II for a scripting development workstation. I'm still slowly plugging away at a
PHP command line wrapper for cdrdao that can parse the CD-TOC, pull out
the track info, and then allow the track01...etc files to be renamed
properly after compressing them to 320kb mp3 and moved to the properly
named directory.
The ability to type "rip_cd" and have it rip from my default CD-ROM and
put the mp3s in my music collection is nice.
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 08:46:09 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:32:54 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
It was just simple software updates that were offered, not a reinstall
or something.
Regardless of that fact, they still may think you need to slow down
even on the software updates. If I were you, I would shoot a message to
the Fedora team and ask them if they are monitoring your usage habits.
Sounds like they are.
It's Fedora. I updated 485 packages on Tuesday and 306 today. It's not a distro for people who don't want to update every few days. However doing
the updates hasn't killed my system.
On 2025-08-16, Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/16/25 4:42 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:Aren't you the same person who was claiming that Microsoft somehow sabotaged your
Le 16-08-2025, Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
On 8/16/25 12:30 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
I really don't get it. It said there were updates, I tried to install >>>>>> them, it just rebooted without going into the special update mode. >>>>>> Couldn't make it happen, so I decided to download the recently released >>>>>> Debian 13 "trixie". So far it's been fine.
If you change your distro each time something goes wrong, you'll never
improve. If you really are the tech guy you pretend to be, you should be >>> able to fix it.
To be fair, you can’t compare a distro which brings out a major new >>>>> version every six months with one that makes a point of keeping version >>>>> upheavals down to one every couple of years.
True, but I really wanted to be with Fedora, they just apparently don't >>>> want to be with me.
It looks like I've read something like that about another distro not so
long ago. Do you believe all the maintainers want you out?
It may be buggy software, it may be sabotage, it's hard to know.
Suffice to say I won't use Fedora again.
Windows install?
On 16 Aug 2025 22:56:50 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <mgcgliFitriU5@mid.individual.net>:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 08:46:09 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:32:54 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
It was just simple software updates that were offered, not a
reinstall or something.
Regardless of that fact, they still may think you need to slow down
even on the software updates. If I were you, I would shoot a message
to the Fedora team and ask them if they are monitoring your usage
habits.
Sounds like they are.
It's Fedora. I updated 485 packages on Tuesday and 306 today. It's not
a distro for people who don't want to update every few days. However
doing the updates hasn't killed my system.
The frequent updates didn't bother me very much, it was the bi-yearly upgrades that always ended up with sessions of rpm-surgery. I got
pretty good at it.
That was with yum though, not sure how much better dnf is.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 08:47:05 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
I'm surprised that Joel didn't accuse Microsoft of being transphobic.
Microsoft, despite its many faults, seems to be focused on making money rather than political statements.
I'm surprised that Joel didn't accuse Microsoft of being transphobic.
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