...it's true:

Linux lm 6.16.3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Aug 26 07:37:19 PDT 2025 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

real 409.46
user 19345.77
sys 3851.95

ObLinux: Installed "paperlex-ngx" as a document management system using
docker.

Is there even docker for a Mac? (Explanation of docker coming up for the
Mac folks.)

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vallor wrote:

...it's true:

Linux lm 6.16.3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Aug 26 07:37:19 PDT 2025 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

real 409.46
user 19345.77
sys 3851.95

ObLinux: Installed "paperlex-ngx" as a document management system using docker.

Is there even docker for a Mac? (Explanation of docker coming up for the
Mac folks.)

when do you think we will have version 7? i am waiting for 7,
because its a lucky number.

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On 26 Aug 2025 15:33:21 GMT, vallor wrote:

ObLinux: Installed "paperlex-ngx" as a document management system using docker.

It's just another GUI (via HTML browser) wrapper around fundamental
GNU/Linux tools.

One can easily do the same fucking thing with a Bash/Perl/Tkl script
(as I have done LONG ago).

But this idiot can't. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

By the way, this wrapper uses tesseract OCR, which has been developed
by Google. In my experience (which is way better than *your* experience) tesseract is not very accurate. In fact, it can be quite useless.
For this reason I do not ever utilize OCR (there is nothing else
available in FOSS).


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On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:26:19 +0000, jojo wrote:

vallor wrote:

...it's true:

Linux lm 6.16.3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Aug 26 07:37:19 PDT 2025 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

real 409.46 user 19345.77 sys 3851.95

ObLinux: Installed "paperlex-ngx" as a document management system using
docker.

Is there even docker for a Mac? (Explanation of docker coming up for
the Mac folks.)

when do you think we will have version 7? i am waiting for 7,
because its a lucky number.

Lucky Number Slevin?

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rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:26:19 +0000, jojo wrote:

vallor wrote:

...it's true:

Linux lm 6.16.3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Aug 26 07:37:19 PDT 2025 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

real 409.46 user 19345.77 sys 3851.95

ObLinux: Installed "paperlex-ngx" as a document management system using
docker.

Is there even docker for a Mac? (Explanation of docker coming up for
the Mac folks.)

when do you think we will have version 7? i am waiting for 7,
because its a lucky number.

Lucky Number Slevin?

7 is a lucky number in japan.

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On 26 Aug 2025 15:33:21 GMT, vallor wrote:

Is there even docker for a Mac?

I recall news of Apple coming up with their own answer to Microsoft’s
WSL2.

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Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 02:35 this Wednesday (GMT):

On 26 Aug 2025 15:33:21 GMT, vallor wrote:

Is there even docker for a Mac?

I recall news of Apple coming up with their own answer to Microsoft’s
WSL2.

I thought they were running on a UNIX kernel.
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On Aug 29, 2025 at 3:20:03 PM EDT, "candycanearter07" <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 02:35 this Wednesday (GMT):

On 26 Aug 2025 15:33:21 GMT, vallor wrote:

Is there even docker for a Mac?

I recall news of Apple coming up with their own answer to Microsoft’s
WSL2.

I thought they were running on a UNIX kernel.

Yes, Macs run Unix. But Apple has a new, faster way of running Linux VMs, mainly for development purposes. It has been possible for years using Docker.
Now they have "containers".

See:

<https://www.macforce.com/blog/apples-linux-container-revolution-a-complete-guide-for-mac-users>

for details.

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 23:44:25 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote in <wU2dnf2BGarEpi_1nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@supernews.com>:

On Aug 29, 2025 at 3:20:03 PM EDT, "candycanearter07" <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 02:35 this Wednesday
(GMT):

On 26 Aug 2025 15:33:21 GMT, vallor wrote:

Is there even docker for a Mac?

I recall news of Apple coming up with their own answer to Microsoft’s
WSL2.

I thought they were running on a UNIX kernel.

Yes, Macs run Unix. But Apple has a new, faster way of running Linux
VMs,
mainly for development purposes. It has been possible for years using Docker.
Now they have "containers".

See:

<https://www.macforce.com/blog/apples-linux-container-revolution-a-

complete-guide-for-mac-users>

for details.

Another great idea from the World of Linux.

BTW, containers aren't just for development: I recently installed
a docker instance that handles document imaging. Ran some tests yesterday, both from this machine, and from Mrs. vallor's Mac Studio. Runs great.

Next, I need to move the ScanSnap to the Mac, so she can start
scanning in the "keep" pile. (She's been organizing paperwork
into "keep" and "shred".)

Back when our business offered "vps" service for customers, they were
all containers. But nowadays, one can get a Digital Ocean "droplet"
for as little as $6/mo -- and that's not a container, that's virtualized
Linux.

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 19:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 02:35 this Wednesday
(GMT):

On 26 Aug 2025 15:33:21 GMT, vallor wrote:

Is there even docker for a Mac?

I recall news of Apple coming up with their own answer to
Microsoft’s WSL2.

I thought they were running on a UNIX kernel.

Not AT&T Unix, I think it’s based on an old version of BSD with a
bastardized Mach microkernel or something strange like that.

Did you know that at one time Apple tried to sell servers? That it had
a version of macOS (OS X at that time) called “OS X Server”, and
special “XServe” hardware to run it on?

It was quite amusing to see some benchmarks in a review, comparing
Apple’s own server OS to Linux, showing that Linux could achieve
better performance than Apple could manage -- on Apple’s own hardware!

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 23:44:25 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

Yes, Macs run Unix. But Apple has a new, faster way of running Linux
VMs, mainly for development purposes. It has been possible for years
using Docker. Now they have "containers".

They call it “containers”, but that would mean running multiple
userlands under a common kernel, which macOS can’t do.

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Le 26-08-2025, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :

Is there even docker for a Mac?

Not really. There are ways to run docker on Windows, Mac and BSD, but
they aren't the way they run on Linux. Docker is a virtualisation of the
Linux kernel: it needs a Linux kernel to run. It relies heavily on
cgroups and namespaces which are Linux features. When you launch docker
on Linux, you launch something like a chroot on steroids.

To be able to run docker on Mac or on Windows, you need a Linux kernel
running first. You can emulate the kernel or run a virtual machine
first. I don't know how it's done on Windows and Mac (and I don't care:
I never tried to know), but the Linux kernel is required.

From what I understood, on BSD (so maybe on Mac too) they have jails
which allow them to do something similar. But it's something similar,
it's not docker.

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On 30 Aug 2025 19:25:07 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

To be able to run docker on Mac or on Windows, you need a Linux kernel running first. You can emulate the kernel or run a virtual machine
first. I don't know how it's done on Windows and Mac (and I don't care:
I never tried to know), but the Linux kernel is required.

When I installed the Docker desktop on Windows it went looking for a WSL instance. I *think* you can install it without WSL but that's not the recommended path.

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On 30 Aug 2025 19:25:07 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Le 26-08-2025, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :

Is there even docker for a Mac?

Not really. There are ways to run docker on Windows, Mac and BSD,
but they aren't the way they run on Linux.

Microsoft has pretty much given up on Docker for Windows now; it’s
considered a ”legacy” product, not to be used for new development.

I found this page <https://wiki.freebsd.org/Docker> on Docker for
FreeBSD: seems it works† similarly to how Apple is implementing it, by delegating all the work to a Linux VM.

I see that as a big fudge, really; it is not the host OS that is
offering the container functionality, all the real work is being done
by Linux.

†As far as they actually have it working, which is still only partial.

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Le 31-08-2025, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :

On 30 Aug 2025 19:25:07 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Le 26-08-2025, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :

Is there even docker for a Mac?

Not really. There are ways to run docker on Windows, Mac and BSD,
but they aren't the way they run on Linux.

Microsoft has pretty much given up on Docker for Windows now; it’s considered a ”legacy” product, not to be used for new development.

I found this page <https://wiki.freebsd.org/Docker> on Docker for
FreeBSD: seems it works† similarly to how Apple is implementing it, by delegating all the work to a Linux VM.

For Windows, I believed that WSL would be the way to use docker. For
Mac/BSD, I expected something like that.

I see that as a big fudge, really; it is not the host OS that is
offering the container functionality, all the real work is being done
by Linux.

Yes, that's why why I said there is not really docker on Mac. Because,
of course, someone can always show me a running docker on Mac, but it's
only a technological demonstration, it's not a useful one.

If you have a full VM dedicated to your application, you have no need
for docker anymore. You just run your application in your VM.

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On 31 Aug 2025 08:23:50 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

For Windows, I believed that WSL would be the way to use docker.

Docker for Windows predated WSL.

If you have a full VM dedicated to your application, you have no
need for docker anymore. You just run your application in your VM.

Containers are lighter-weight than full VMs. That’s why we have room
for both alternatives on Linux.

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On Aug 31, 2025 at 6:43:13 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On 31 Aug 2025 08:23:50 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

For Windows, I believed that WSL would be the way to use docker.

Docker for Windows predated WSL.

If you have a full VM dedicated to your application, you have no
need for docker anymore. You just run your application in your VM.

Containers are lighter-weight than full VMs. That’s why we have room
for both alternatives on Linux.

MacOS (Unix) has both docker and containers. Plus full VMs, like VMWare Fusion (free) where I run Windows 11 Arm when I need to. I paid $19 for the Windows license, which is good for 2 installs.

Windows 11 Pro (or Home same price) for $9.50 per Mac is fine with me.
Finally, a realistic price for Windows 11.

Life is good.

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On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 04:04:46 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote in <vvadncvkzu_Dhij1nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@supernews.com>:

On Aug 31, 2025 at 6:43:13 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On 31 Aug 2025 08:23:50 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

For Windows, I believed that WSL would be the way to use docker.

Docker for Windows predated WSL.

If you have a full VM dedicated to your application, you have no need
for docker anymore. You just run your application in your VM.

Containers are lighter-weight than full VMs. That’s why we have room
for both alternatives on Linux.

MacOS (Unix) has both docker and containers. Plus full VMs, like VMWare Fusion (free) where I run Windows 11 Arm when I need to. I paid $19 for
the Windows license, which is good for 2 installs.

Windows 11 Pro (or Home same price) for $9.50 per Mac is fine with me. Finally, a realistic price for Windows 11.

Life is good.

I found something the Mac can do easily that Linux can't.

I've been doing a deep-dive into mdns, and I have my Linux
workstation publishing an HINFO record.

There doesn't seem to be any way to query that from Linux.

However, on the Mac:

_[/Users/vallor]_(vallor@Mac-Studio-2)🍏_
$ dns-sd -q lm.local HINFO
DATE: ---Sun 31 Aug 2025---
21:42:58.756 ...STARTING...
Timestamp A/R Flags IF Name Type
Class Rdata
21:42:58.756 Add 40000002 24 lm.local. HINFO
IN 13 bytes: 06 58 38 36 5F 36 34 05 4C 49 4E 55 58
^C

So I could verify that the HINFO was being published without retreating
to tcpdump.

And...q&d code to decode the string of hex bytes:

#!/usr/bin/perl

while(<>)
{
chomp;
@hexes = split(/ /,$_);
foreach $h (@hexes)
{
print chr(hex($h));
}
print "\n";
}

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On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 04:04:46 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

MacOS (Unix) has both docker and containers.

Docker is a kind of container.

And no, MacOS doesn’t have that. It has to use Linux to get that.

Windows 11 Pro (or Home same price) for $9.50 per Mac is fine with me. Finally, a realistic price for Windows 11.

Is that all Microsoft can afford to pay you?

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On Sep 1, 2025 at 1:51:05 AM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 04:04:46 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

MacOS (Unix) has both docker and containers.

Docker is a kind of container.

And no, MacOS doesn’t have that. It has to use Linux to get that.

Yes, MacOS has that. Apple created their own containers using their own Linux kernel. Docker can still be used, but is no longer needed.

Windows 11 Pro (or Home same price) for $9.50 per Mac is fine with me.
Finally, a realistic price for Windows 11.

Is that all Microsoft can afford to pay you?

Wow. That was almost clever.

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On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 16:41:15 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

On Sep 1, 2025 at 1:51:05 AM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 04:04:46 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

MacOS (Unix) has both docker and containers.

Docker is a kind of container.

And no, MacOS doesn’t have that. It has to use Linux to get that.

Yes, MacOS has that. Apple created their own containers using their own
Linux kernel.

Like I said, it has to use Linux to get that.

Can you run MacOS containers under MacOS? No.

No Linux, no containers.

Windows 11 Pro (or Home same price) for $9.50 per Mac is fine with me.
Finally, a realistic price for Windows 11.

Is that all Microsoft can afford to pay you?

Wow. That was almost clever.

Who would pay money to Microsoft for such an OS?

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