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  • Re: Anybody use System 7

    From Your Name@21:1/5 to David Heaton on Thu Oct 31 13:31:02 2024
    On 2024-10-30 23:36:04 +0000, David Heaton said:

    while im afraid to use my 1400 due to its hinges possibly failing in 9
    months my 13.3in PDQ Wallstreet 266 with 128mb of ram and a 4GB
    rotational IDE hard disk has held out since i got it in august 2023 and
    ive always used 8.1 on it for you system 7 users out there is there a
    massive difference in speed between running 8.1 on a G3 and running
    7.6.1 on a G3-upgraded mac? i would think that 8.1 would be faster due
    to more PowerPC code maybe im wrong?

    -snes1423

    I can't say for certain, but usually newer versions of the OS run
    slower on the same hardware due to the extras added to the system
    software, much of it often just useless gimmicks and eye candy.

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  • From Patrik Schindler@21:1/5 to David Heaton on Sun Nov 3 23:41:19 2024
    David Heaton <twertlesonline@gmail.com> wrote:

    is there a massive difference in speed between running 8.1 on a G3 and running 7.6.1 on a G3-upgraded mac? i would think that 8.1 would be faster due to more PowerPC code maybe im wrong?

    Well, that's the official saying: More PPC-code = faster.

    From my personal experience, nothing beats System 7.1.2 on a first generation NuBus PowerMac. Later systems had not only more PPC code but more code
    overall, which resulted in longer boot times and some overall decrease in perceived speed for everyday tasks. Also take into account that RAM transfer speed is also a contributing factor, along with possibly shared RAM for framebuffer and system contibuting to performance decrease.

    The faster the CPU, the more cache it has, and the faster RAM speed is, the less apparent are differences between systems.

    OS releases ≥8 might in theory be slower because of the increased eye candy, but I have not taken solid measurements.

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    :wq! PoC

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  • From Rene Kint@21:1/5 to scole on Mon Dec 2 17:11:33 2024
    The speed difference can be (feel) huge! The enormous difference in
    memory usage alone already counts (loading stuff into memory can take a relatively large amount of resources). Add in the number of cocck cycles
    you gain from (let's say) a 25MHz 68030 to a 400MHz G3 and there you
    have it!

    Enjoy your machine(s)!

    Rene
    (LC475, iMac G3)


    In article <vintageapplemac-3011240532580001@192.168.1.134>,
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <6722C2E4.C3DBCF5A@gmail.com>, David Heaton <twertlesonline@gmail.com> wrote:

    is there a
    massive difference in speed between running 8.1 on a G3 and running
    7.6.1 on a G3-upgraded mac? i would think that 8.1 would be faster due
    to more PowerPC code maybe im wrong?

    I dunno about the PPC code question, although it does sound like there's a logic to what you say. What I can relate is the experience I'm having
    running 7.6.1 on my Power Macintosh 9600; it absolutely bloody flies! I
    have just rebuilt that machine and it has a Sonnet G4 CPU card and 512MB
    RAM, so is phenomenally more powerful than the machines 7.6.1 was intended
    to run on.

    Partition your drive and install both systems, do a side-by-side
    comparison. You'll probably not notice much difference, in truth. But if there is any difference to notice, I'd bet it'd be that OS7 feels significantly more nimble than 8.

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