In article <JKH.93Ma...@whisker.lotus.ie>, j...@whisker.lotus.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard) writes:
[Copy of email sent to Guenther]Didn't get any email from you by now.
I have only one question: Why are you starting with Linux?
I've looked at putting Unix on the Amiga and see only two really
practical alternatives: BSDSS on top of Kludge Mach (BSDSS is about to
be resumed at CMU, see announcement on the 27th of May) or 386bsd with
the contributed HP300/400 code (all 68K based).
The reason I'd recommend 386bsd at all is for the simple reason that
the 386 specific code has been largely isolated to one area of the
code, and that there's already 68K code becoming available as part of
the BSD 4.4 efforts on HP 68040 boxes.
On the BSDSS front, things look much better, with a running Mach
already on the Amiga and a free unix server looking like it's finally
in the cards (CMU had backed away from BSDSS for awhile due to the USL->BSDI crap).
Linux is about the worst place to start from, given the Intel specific stuff scattered all throughout the code - better to write a Linux
server on top of Mach if it's "linux behaviour" you're looking for -
that would at least save you from having to do all the messy VM stuff again. Linus himself has said that he never really intended Linux to
run on anything but PC's, and he wasn't all that careful about putting
all the PC specific stuff in one place.
trueLike I said, I'd go Mach or BSD. What stage are you people at?Hi Jordan, hi world!
--
Jordan Hubbard Lotus Development Ireland j...@whisker.lotus.ie
I want to clear things up a bit and answer your question, why we are 'starting'
with Linux.
I have followed the discussions about Unix on the Amiga for about two years now.
I have concluded the following, please correct me if I am wrong:
There is a community of Amiga-freaks who like to unix (never tried it as a verb
before) on their Amiga, including me. I haven't been able to pay for the commercial version from CBM (Amix), but was willing to work for a PD-version of
AmigaUnix, i.e. to do some programming for it.
I haven't had a look at the mach-sources you mention above, but I have to say,
that the work around it got quite silent. I don't now what the current stage is,
but I haven't seen anything working around, nor a statement when it will be available. I, too, don't know, how much work will have to be invested in porting
BSDSS to KludgeMach on the 680x0.
What I do know is, that some people have been working on a port of AmigaLinux for
a long time, but the team of porters fizzled. An independent work of this group
was done by Hamish, who got quite far without the help of anybody. He released
his work to the public in order to find other programmers helping him on his port. It was a 'working' kernel, with most of the drivers missing, and therefore
it was (it still is, although some drivers have already been addad).only useable
for other developers.
As this is the (IMHO) most promising effort underway at the moment, I am willing to join this team as soon as I am able to (need 68030-board for A1000). I
don't want to see the port ending up into a discussion, where to start the port.
I want to do some real work and the sources provided by Hamish are the best way
to do. I don't want to discuss, if it is better to port mach and then bsdss or
386bsd or anything else, but I want to join the most promising effort to have
Un*x running SOON on your Amiga.
I haven't heard about the 386bsd-port to HP 68040 boxes. Maybe you can email me
about that. I am not willing to reinvent the wheel. If there is something, we can
merge into AmigaLinux and it helps us saving time then, of course, it will be merged with the current port of AmigaLinux.
That's all for now. Any questions and comments welcome.
Guenther
----------------------
Guenther Grau, Willy-Andreas-Allee 7, D-7500 (76131) Karlsruhe 1, FRG Institute for Dialoque- and Operatingsystems, University of Karlsruhe
Home : +49 721 23445
Fax : +49 721 697 760
s_g...@ira.uka.de
Em segunda-feira, 24 de maio de 1993 às 17:04:36 UTC-3, Guenther Grau escreveu:
In article <JKH.93Ma...@whisker.lotus.ie>, j...@whisker.lotus.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard) writes:
[Copy of email sent to Guenther]Didn't get any email from you by now.
I have only one question: Why are you starting with Linux?
I've looked at putting Unix on the Amiga and see only two really practical alternatives: BSDSS on top of Kludge Mach (BSDSS is about to be resumed at CMU, see announcement on the 27th of May) or 386bsd with the contributed HP300/400 code (all 68K based).
The reason I'd recommend 386bsd at all is for the simple reason that the 386 specific code has been largely isolated to one area of the code, and that there's already 68K code becoming available as part of the BSD 4.4 efforts on HP 68040 boxes.
On the BSDSS front, things look much better, with a running Mach already on the Amiga and a free unix server looking like it's finally in the cards (CMU had backed away from BSDSS for awhile due to the USL->BSDI crap).
Linux is about the worst place to start from, given the Intel specific stuff scattered all throughout the code - better to write a Linux server on top of Mach if it's "linux behaviour" you're looking for - that would at least save you from having to do all the messy VM stuff again. Linus himself has said that he never really intended Linux to run on anything but PC's, and he wasn't all that careful about putting all the PC specific stuff in one place.
once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room! A rubber room with rats, and rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room! A rubber room with rats, and rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me intrueLike I said, I'd go Mach or BSD. What stage are you people at?Hi Jordan, hi world!
--
Jordan Hubbard Lotus Development Ireland j...@whisker.lotus.ie
I want to clear things up a bit and answer your question, why we are 'starting'
with Linux.
I have followed the discussions about Unix on the Amiga for about two years now.
I have concluded the following, please correct me if I am wrong:
There is a community of Amiga-freaks who like to unix (never tried it as a verb
before) on their Amiga, including me. I haven't been able to pay for the commercial version from CBM (Amix), but was willing to work for a PD-version of
AmigaUnix, i.e. to do some programming for it.
I haven't had a look at the mach-sources you mention above, but I have to say,
that the work around it got quite silent. I don't now what the current stage is,
but I haven't seen anything working around, nor a statement when it will be
available. I, too, don't know, how much work will have to be invested in porting
BSDSS to KludgeMach on the 680x0.
What I do know is, that some people have been working on a port of AmigaLinux for
a long time, but the team of porters fizzled. An independent work of this group
was done by Hamish, who got quite far without the help of anybody. He released
his work to the public in order to find other programmers helping him on his
port. It was a 'working' kernel, with most of the drivers missing, and therefore
it was (it still is, although some drivers have already been addad).only useable
for other developers.
As this is the (IMHO) most promising effort underway at the moment, I am willing to join this team as soon as I am able to (need 68030-board for A1000). I
don't want to see the port ending up into a discussion, where to start the port.
I want to do some real work and the sources provided by Hamish are the best way
to do. I don't want to discuss, if it is better to port mach and then bsdss or
386bsd or anything else, but I want to join the most promising effort to have
Un*x running SOON on your Amiga.
I haven't heard about the 386bsd-port to HP 68040 boxes. Maybe you can email me
about that. I am not willing to reinvent the wheel. If there is something, we can
merge into AmigaLinux and it helps us saving time then, of course, it will be
merged with the current port of AmigaLinux.
That's all for now. Any questions and comments welcome.
Guenther
----------------------
Guenther Grau, Willy-Andreas-Allee 7, D-7500 (76131) Karlsruhe 1, FRG Institute for Dialoque- and Operatingsystems, University of Karlsruhe
Home : +49 721 23445
Fax : +49 721 697 760
s_g...@ira.uka.de
Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room! A rubber room with rats, and rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room! A rubber room with rats, and rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:10:38 PM UTC-5, the best of the world wrote:
Em segunda-feira, 24 de maio de 1993 às 17:04:36 UTC-3, Guenther Grau escreveu:
In article <JKH.93Ma...@whisker.lotus.ie>, j...@whisker.lotus.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard) writes:
[Copy of email sent to Guenther]Didn't get any email from you by now.
I have only one question: Why are you starting with Linux?
I've looked at putting Unix on the Amiga and see only two really practical alternatives: BSDSS on top of Kludge Mach (BSDSS is about to
be resumed at CMU, see announcement on the 27th of May) or 386bsd with
the contributed HP300/400 code (all 68K based).
The reason I'd recommend 386bsd at all is for the simple reason that the 386 specific code has been largely isolated to one area of the code, and that there's already 68K code becoming available as part of the BSD 4.4 efforts on HP 68040 boxes.
On the BSDSS front, things look much better, with a running Mach already on the Amiga and a free unix server looking like it's finally in the cards (CMU had backed away from BSDSS for awhile due to the USL->BSDI crap).
Linux is about the worst place to start from, given the Intel specific
stuff scattered all throughout the code - better to write a Linux server on top of Mach if it's "linux behaviour" you're looking for - that would at least save you from having to do all the messy VM stuff again. Linus himself has said that he never really intended Linux to run on anything but PC's, and he wasn't all that careful about putting
all the PC specific stuff in one place.
once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room! A rubber room with rats, and rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room! A rubber room with rats, and rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me intrueLike I said, I'd go Mach or BSD. What stage are you people at?Hi Jordan, hi world!
--
Jordan Hubbard Lotus Development Ireland j...@whisker.lotus.ie
I want to clear things up a bit and answer your question, why we are 'starting'
with Linux.
I have followed the discussions about Unix on the Amiga for about two years now.
I have concluded the following, please correct me if I am wrong:
There is a community of Amiga-freaks who like to unix (never tried it as a verb
before) on their Amiga, including me. I haven't been able to pay for the commercial version from CBM (Amix), but was willing to work for a PD-version of
AmigaUnix, i.e. to do some programming for it.
I haven't had a look at the mach-sources you mention above, but I have to say,
that the work around it got quite silent. I don't now what the current stage is,
but I haven't seen anything working around, nor a statement when it will be
available. I, too, don't know, how much work will have to be invested in porting
BSDSS to KludgeMach on the 680x0.
What I do know is, that some people have been working on a port of AmigaLinux for
a long time, but the team of porters fizzled. An independent work of this group
was done by Hamish, who got quite far without the help of anybody. He released
his work to the public in order to find other programmers helping him on his
port. It was a 'working' kernel, with most of the drivers missing, and therefore
it was (it still is, although some drivers have already been addad).only useable
for other developers.
As this is the (IMHO) most promising effort underway at the moment, I am willing to join this team as soon as I am able to (need 68030-board for A1000). I
don't want to see the port ending up into a discussion, where to start the port.
I want to do some real work and the sources provided by Hamish are the best way
to do. I don't want to discuss, if it is better to port mach and then bsdss or
386bsd or anything else, but I want to join the most promising effort to have
Un*x running SOON on your Amiga.
I haven't heard about the 386bsd-port to HP 68040 boxes. Maybe you can email me
about that. I am not willing to reinvent the wheel. If there is something, we can
merge into AmigaLinux and it helps us saving time then, of course, it will be
merged with the current port of AmigaLinux.
That's all for now. Any questions and comments welcome.
Guenther
----------------------
Guenther Grau, Willy-Andreas-Allee 7, D-7500 (76131) Karlsruhe 1, FRG Institute for Dialoque- and Operatingsystems, University of Karlsruhe Home : +49 721 23445
Fax : +49 721 697 760
s_g...@ira.uka.de
Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room! A rubber room with rats, and rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room! A rubber room with rats, and rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy
"I was crazy once...They put me in a little white room...I loved that room...I
died in that room...When they buried me they put little white flowers on my
grave that tickled my nose and drove me crazy...CRAZY I tell you...I was crazy
once!"
gwo...@gozer.idbsu.edu (Gary P. Wolfe) writes:tum dono ki maa ki chu
This is my first post to the net so I hope I do it right. Please be >understanding. I am looking for Amiga Linux, especially a version thatThe current version of Linux for the Amiga is useless for any real work as
will work on an Amiga 4000/040 25Mhz. A friend of mine told me some
one else had posted that they had downloaded the Amiga Linux files and
was going to try them out on his/her Amiga 4000. This person did not, >however, post what the address to this archive was and where it is in
that archive. This was posted in Comp.sys.amiga.announce so if you are >reading this please e-mail me and let me know. Anyone else with valid >information is also invited to send e-mail to me also. Thank you,
it doesn't yet include such things as device-drivers....
If anyone wants to help write them, I'm sure the gent doing to port would
be glad of the help, but don't expect it to be a fuctional OS for some
time.
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On Friday, 7 May 1993 at 08:45:30 UTC+5:30, Michael T Pins wrote:crazy? i was crazy once. they looked me in a room. a rubber room. a rubber room with rats. and rats make me crazy. crazy?
gwo...@gozer.idbsu.edu (Gary P. Wolfe) writes:tum dono ki maa ki chu
This is my first post to the net so I hope I do it right. Please be >understanding. I am looking for Amiga Linux, especially a version that >will work on an Amiga 4000/040 25Mhz. A friend of mine told me someThe current version of Linux for the Amiga is useless for any real work as it doesn't yet include such things as device-drivers....
one else had posted that they had downloaded the Amiga Linux files and >was going to try them out on his/her Amiga 4000. This person did not, >however, post what the address to this archive was and where it is in >that archive. This was posted in Comp.sys.amiga.announce so if you are >reading this please e-mail me and let me know. Anyone else with valid >information is also invited to send e-mail to me also. Thank you,
If anyone wants to help write them, I'm sure the gent doing to port would be glad of the help, but don't expect it to be a fuctional OS for some time.
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