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    From D Finnigan@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 30 01:01:56 2022
    I'm sure it's been 4 or more years ago by now, but I recall there was some interest in restarting GNO development. Actually, it looks like it's been a decade now-- since 2012 when GNO sources were put on Github. http://www.gno.org/gno/

    Bobbi ported some Unix v7 utilities to GNO: https://github.com/bobbimanners/GNO-Extras


    Anyone using GNO/ME on the IIgs? Any activity?

    --
    ]DF$
    The New Apple II User's Guide:
    https://macgui.com/newa2guide/

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  • From Stephen Heumann@21:1/5 to D Finnigan on Sat Jul 30 18:44:15 2022
    On 2022-07-30 01:01:56 +0000, D Finnigan said:
    Anyone using GNO/ME on the IIgs? Any activity?

    I still use GNO, and I'd love to see more activity around it.

    I keep the GNO version of ORCALib updated so that current versions of
    ORCA/C can be used with it:
    https://github.com/byteworksinc/ORCALib/releases

    A few years ago, I did some other stuff for GNO, including porting a Bourne-like shell to it:
    https://github.com/sheumann/hush

    I know Kelvin Sherlock has also done some work on GNO (system updates
    and programs for it). Some of that work is in his fork of the GNO
    repository:
    https://github.com/ksherlock/gno

    --
    Stephen Heumann

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  • From D Finnigan@21:1/5 to Stephen Heumann on Sun Jul 31 14:06:27 2022
    Stephen Heumann wrote:
    On 2022-07-30 01:01:56 +0000, D Finnigan said:
    Anyone using GNO/ME on the IIgs? Any activity?

    I still use GNO, and I'd love to see more activity around it.

    I keep the GNO version of ORCALib updated so that current versions of
    ORCA/C can be used with it:
    https://github.com/byteworksinc/ORCALib/releases

    A few years ago, I did some other stuff for GNO, including porting a Bourne-like shell to it:
    https://github.com/sheumann/hush

    I know Kelvin Sherlock has also done some work on GNO (system updates
    and programs for it). Some of that work is in his fork of the GNO repository:
    https://github.com/ksherlock/gno


    Yes, that's what I thinking of that was more recent than 2012.

    Did GNO not have a killer app? TCP/IP was the upcoming thing in the 1990s,
    and GNO never had a TCP until just recently, if I understand correctly.
    Derek Taubert's GS-TCP was never completed.


    --
    ]DF$
    The New Apple II User's Guide:
    https://macgui.com/newa2guide/

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  • From Stephen Heumann@21:1/5 to D Finnigan on Sun Jul 31 22:45:46 2022
    On 2022-07-31 14:06:27 +0000, D Finnigan said:
    Did GNO not have a killer app? TCP/IP was the upcoming thing in the 1990s, and GNO never had a TCP until just recently, if I understand correctly.
    Derek Taubert's GS-TCP was never completed.

    As far as I'm concerned, the value of GNO is mostly in having a
    Unix-like environment on the GS, both in terms of the command-line
    environment and programming interfaces. A key part of that is also
    that it integrates with the existing IIGS system, including running
    ORCA languages and utilities (and up to one desktop application). It's
    an alternative environment that allows you to run that stuff while
    providing more features and (in my experience) better stability than
    the ORCA shell.

    GS/TCP was never completed, or at least never released. However,
    TCP/IP is now available in GNO using MariGNOtti, Kelvin Sherlock's Marinetti-to-GNO translation layer. Of course, you could use Marinetti directly and not rely on GNO, but GNO with MariGNOtti is the only setup
    that provides a sockets API on the IIGS. That could be quite useful
    for porting code from other platforms.

    --
    Stephen Heumann

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  • From Steven Nelson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 6 09:02:38 2022
    Inquiry re gno prompted me to install gno on my Rom1 GS w/ uthernet2 card. All seems well until I activate marignotti (:usr:local:bin:marignotti &). gno immediately drops into monitor. Does marignotti require uthernet (1) card. If so, my Rom3 GS has
    the uthernet board. Is there anyway to change the ':' separator to a '/'? My unix/linux exposure is causing me a lot of mistyping using gno. Is there a gno discussion group or board to ask questions in? I think ftp in gno would be neat. I use SAFE2
    now which works well.
    --Steven

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  • From D Finnigan@21:1/5 to Steven Nelson on Sat Aug 6 19:31:41 2022
    Steven Nelson wrote:

    Is there a gno discussion group or board to ask
    questions in?

    There was a newsgroup comp.sys.apple2.gno but it was removed 11 years ago
    for inactivity.

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  • From Steven Nelson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 6 15:12:51 2022
    Ignore most of my previous msg re gno problems. I was using gno v2.0.4, not 2.0.6. My bad. Spent a couple hours this afternoon installing gno2.0.6 and then gno.2006.09.shk and marignotti4.bxy. All seems to be working. ftp connected to my rpi server;
    ls and cd worked but I havent actually transferred any files yet, Neato! --Steven

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  • From D Finnigan@21:1/5 to Steven Nelson on Sun Aug 7 19:18:57 2022
    Steven Nelson wrote:
    Ignore most of my previous msg re gno problems. I was using gno v2.0.4,
    not 2.0.6. My bad. Spent a couple hours this afternoon installing
    gno2.0.6 and then gno.2006.09.shk and marignotti4.bxy. All seems to be working. ftp connected to my rpi server; ls and cd worked but I havent actually transferred any files yet, Neato! --Steven


    It's a really neat and under-appreciated system which unfortunately came as
    the sun was setting on the IIgs.

    --
    ]DF$
    The New Apple II User's Guide:
    https://macgui.com/newa2guide/

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  • From Kent Dickey@21:1/5 to dog_cow@macgui.com on Tue Aug 9 03:18:26 2022
    In article <dog_cow-1659899935@macgui.com>,
    D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote:
    Steven Nelson wrote:
    Ignore most of my previous msg re gno problems. I was using gno v2.0.4,
    not 2.0.6. My bad. Spent a couple hours this afternoon installing
    gno2.0.6 and then gno.2006.09.shk and marignotti4.bxy. All seems to be
    working. ftp connected to my rpi server; ls and cd worked but I havent
    actually transferred any files yet, Neato! --Steven


    It's a really neat and under-appreciated system which unfortunately came as >the sun was setting on the IIgs.

    --
    ]DF$
    The New Apple II User's Guide:
    https://macgui.com/newa2guide/

    Apple DTS support really disliked GNO and the way it (ab)used the tool startup/shutdown to allow some multitasking. It's indirectly mentioned
    in a few technotes as "do not do this". It basically doomed GNO since
    even mentioning using GNO meant you could get no support. And GNO
    wasn't super stable, you had to reboot a lot, especially if you tried
    running desktop apps.

    Apple resisted Multifinder on the Mac for a while as well (some 3rd
    party hacked it together first), but they did come around on the Mac at
    least.

    Kent

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  • From David Schmidt@21:1/5 to Kent Dickey on Tue Aug 9 12:36:30 2022
    On 8/8/22 11:18 PM, Kent Dickey wrote:
    [...]
    Apple resisted Multifinder on the Mac for a while as well (some 3rd
    party hacked it together first), but they did come around on the Mac at least.

    "Some third party" being Andy Hertzfeld and his app, Switcher. He
    writes about it on folklore.org (I'm sure this URL will get garbled, but
    go there and search on "switcher") : https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Switcher.txt

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  • From Christopher G. Mason@21:1/5 to D Finnigan on Fri Aug 12 17:01:13 2022
    On 7/29/2022 9:01 PM, D Finnigan wrote:
    I'm sure it's been 4 or more years ago by now, but I recall there was some interest in restarting GNO development. Actually, it looks like it's been a decade now-- since 2012 when GNO sources were put on Github. http://www.gno.org/gno/

    Bobbi ported some Unix v7 utilities to GNO: https://github.com/bobbimanners/GNO-Extras


    Anyone using GNO/ME on the IIgs? Any activity?


    Tenox's aclock got ported to GNO/ME. A word of warning for developers,
    some of the C headers in GNO/ME 2.0.6 distro are broken. Don't ask me
    which ones because I don't remember. Its been awhile.

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