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  • Re: Anyone using a < 48K Apple?

    From Garrett Meiers@21:1/5 to D Finnigan on Thu Apr 28 16:39:23 2022
    On 4/28/22 4:33 PM, D Finnigan wrote:


    And what about the base, 4K Apple II configuration? What did anyone manage
    to accomplish with a 4K machine? No HI-RES graphics, for sure! Anyone here ever use a 4K Apple?

    It blows my mind to think of a 4K apple II. I know they were offered
    in the beginning, but that was before they had a DOS. Can't image you'd
    be able to do much on a 4K system.

    I've never checked all my II's and II Pluses, to see what they are
    configured, but I suspect most of them are at least 48K.

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  • From waynejstewart@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 29 09:44:59 2022
    Quite a few of my II/II+ started out at 16k but have since been upgraded. Occasionally I've pulled out a 48k machine and used it for a bit.

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  • From qkumba@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 29 12:47:33 2022
    We fit a Wordle clone into 16kb.
    https://github.com/a2-4am/untitled-word-game
    A 4kb machine would be limited to text and lo-res. That limits things a bit.

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  • From qkumba@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 30 16:14:55 2022
    :-) I like the game, but I enjoyed this coding more, even though I just ported the compression.
    4am wrote the text and most of the code.

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  • From Rich Jordan@21:1/5 to D Finnigan on Sun May 22 17:20:41 2022
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 4:33:24 PM UTC-5, D Finnigan wrote:
    I saw a revision 0 on eBay last week, probably the same one that many others saw. And I noticed it didn't have the whole 48K installed. It was a 16K machine. I also noticed, and probably others did too, that it didn't have the Programmer's Aid #1 ROM installed, nor did it have the (I presume) Applesoft ROM card which is mentioned on the handwritten sales slip.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/165434130293

    That made me wonder whether there's anyone out there in Apple II land who still maintains a sub-48K Apple II? I'm guessing that's an incredibly small number of people, if any. It makes using DOS trickier, for starters. I think 16K was the minimum RAM size for DOS, but then how much RAM did you have left over for a program?

    And what about the base, 4K Apple II configuration? What did anyone manage to accomplish with a 4K machine? No HI-RES graphics, for sure! Anyone here ever use a 4K Apple?

    Mine came as a 48k unit in 1981, with Apple RAM. The vendor I bought from, not long before Apple did its first crackdown on online sales, charged a $100 increment from 16 to 32K and 32 to 48K... I remember seeing the Apple branded 16K upgrade kits for
    16 and 32K systems at my local dealer for something like $200. It was "Not Cheap" (TM) to upgrade back then.

    But when the initial Apple II was released, some of the competition was still the AIM-65, SYM-1, and KIM-1, some could be had with as little as 1K of RAM. It was enough to learn on and probably exceptional for learning to program efficiently and not
    waste bytes. Getting a 'full' keyboard and video out with text any kind of graphics at all! on a 4K system was pretty nice back then.

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