• Russian Hacks Grab "Secret" Govt Dox - How Safe is YOUR "Cloud Storage"

    From 68g.1499@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 3 04:08:12 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics.usa

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13029089/Notorious-Russia-gang-claims-stole-classified-secret-documents-intelligence-agencies-FBI-warns-China-hackers-preparing-wreak-havoc-America.html

    Notorious Russia gang claims it stole 'classified and top
    secret documents' from US intelligence agencies - as FBI
    warns China hackers are preparing to 'wreak havoc' in America

    Ransomware group ALPHV stole top-secret FBI and U.S.
    intelligence documents

    FBI director Christopher Wray warns PRC hackers will
    take over America

    . . .

    Yep - they can get EVERYTHING. "Secret" stuff,
    banks, infrastructure ... we made it SO easy
    for sake of convenience.

    Oh ... if they know what's in those 'secret'
    dox then it means they weren't even encrypted.
    What's up with that ? Oh, yea ... "trust your
    provider to thoroughly encrypt your data" ...

    I always pre-encrypted anything that was being
    stored "in the cloud". Never spent a single
    millisecond as plain text. Apparently yer govt
    and vital services can't be bothered ......

    Apologize for excess groups for Linux people,
    but the same warnings apply.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chasseur@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 09:29:57 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics.usa

    Le 2024-02-03 à 04:08, 68g.1499 a écrit :
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13029089/Notorious-Russia-gang-claims-stole-classified-secret-documents-intelligence-agencies-FBI-warns-China-hackers-preparing-wreak-havoc-America.html

    Notorious Russia gang claims it stole 'classified and top
    secret documents' from US intelligence agencies - as FBI
    warns China hackers are preparing to 'wreak havoc' in America

    Ransomware group ALPHV stole top-secret FBI and U.S.
    intelligence documents

    FBI director Christopher Wray warns PRC hackers will
    take over America

    . . .

      Yep - they can get EVERYTHING. "Secret" stuff,
      banks, infrastructure ... we made it SO easy
      for sake of convenience.

      Oh ... if they know what's in those 'secret'
      dox then it means they weren't even encrypted.
      What's up with that ? Oh, yea ... "trust your
      provider to thoroughly encrypt your data" ...

      I always pre-encrypted anything that was being
      stored "in the cloud". Never spent a single
      millisecond as plain text. Apparently yer govt
      and vital services can't be bothered ......

      Apologize for excess groups for Linux people,
      but the same warnings apply.

    Of all the «Shit Hits The Fan scenarios» this is one of, if not the
    short term most probable...

    Chasseur

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From 68g.1499@21:1/5 to Chasseur on Sun Feb 4 21:21:29 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics.usa

    On 2/4/24 9:29 AM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2024-02-03 à 04:08, 68g.1499 a écrit :
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13029089/Notorious-Russia-gang-claims-stole-classified-secret-documents-intelligence-agencies-FBI-warns-China-hackers-preparing-wreak-havoc-America.html


    Notorious Russia gang claims it stole 'classified and top
    secret documents' from US intelligence agencies - as FBI
    warns China hackers are preparing to 'wreak havoc' in America

    Ransomware group ALPHV stole top-secret FBI and U.S.
    intelligence documents

    FBI director Christopher Wray warns PRC hackers will
    take over America

    . . .

       Yep - they can get EVERYTHING. "Secret" stuff,
       banks, infrastructure ... we made it SO easy
       for sake of convenience.

       Oh ... if they know what's in those 'secret'
       dox then it means they weren't even encrypted.
       What's up with that ? Oh, yea ... "trust your
       provider to thoroughly encrypt your data" ...

       I always pre-encrypted anything that was being
       stored "in the cloud". Never spent a single
       millisecond as plain text. Apparently yer govt
       and vital services can't be bothered ......

       Apologize for excess groups for Linux people,
       but the same warnings apply.

    Of all the «Shit Hits The Fan scenarios» this is one of, if not the
    short term most probable...

    Chasseur

    Enemy govts work through "criminal" proxies for
    deniability reasons. Many of the proxies may not
    even know of the state connections, indeed the
    thrill of crime likely boosts their performance.

    What we see today is mostly just 'probing', experiments,
    looking for weaknesses, victims, new methods. This can do
    a lot of damage, but should things deteriorate to more
    real cyberwar the damages would be a thousand times worse.

    1st-world is 1st-world because everything is efficient,
    smoothly integrated at every scale. Alas that sort of
    of interdependency is fairly easy to sabotage. Going
    after just the banking systems would do it, or the
    energy or communications infrastructure. One vital
    brick crumbles and the whole empire tumbles down.

    And forget "we could fix it soon enough" ... some of
    these systems hold up SO much that there'd be nothing
    left worth fixing in a matter of weeks. The fuel
    runs out, the food runs out, the lights stay off,
    it goes Mad Max real quick.

    Ironically, 3rd/4th would would barely notice anything
    had happened. Afghan goatherds might notice fewer
    people coming around to annoy them.

    THAT the little hacks COULD get so deeply inside our
    supposedly "safe" systems just (again) demonstrates
    the level of vulnerability which exists.

    I doubt we will ever hear much about the actual methods
    and tactics involved - top secret stuff no doubt.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chasseur@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 5 13:32:30 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics.usa

    Le 2024-02-04 à 21:21, 68g.1499 a écrit :
    On 2/4/24 9:29 AM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2024-02-03 à 04:08, 68g.1499 a écrit :
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13029089/Notorious-Russia-gang-claims-stole-classified-secret-documents-intelligence-agencies-FBI-warns-China-hackers-preparing-wreak-havoc-America.html

    Notorious Russia gang claims it stole 'classified and top
    secret documents' from US intelligence agencies - as FBI
    warns China hackers are preparing to 'wreak havoc' in America

    Ransomware group ALPHV stole top-secret FBI and U.S.
    intelligence documents

    FBI director Christopher Wray warns PRC hackers will
    take over America

    . . .

       Yep - they can get EVERYTHING. "Secret" stuff,
       banks, infrastructure ... we made it SO easy
       for sake of convenience.

       Oh ... if they know what's in those 'secret'
       dox then it means they weren't even encrypted.
       What's up with that ? Oh, yea ... "trust your
       provider to thoroughly encrypt your data" ...

       I always pre-encrypted anything that was being
       stored "in the cloud". Never spent a single
       millisecond as plain text. Apparently yer govt
       and vital services can't be bothered ......

       Apologize for excess groups for Linux people,
       but the same warnings apply.

    Of all the «Shit Hits The Fan scenarios» this is one of, if not the
    short term most probable...

    Chasseur

      Enemy govts work through "criminal" proxies for
      deniability reasons. Many of the proxies may not
      even know of the state connections, indeed the
      thrill of crime likely boosts their performance.

      What we see today is mostly just 'probing', experiments,
      looking for weaknesses, victims, new methods. This can do
      a lot of damage, but should things deteriorate to more
      real cyberwar the damages would be a thousand times worse.

      1st-world is 1st-world because everything is efficient,
      smoothly integrated at every scale. Alas that sort of
      of interdependency is fairly easy to sabotage. Going
      after just the banking systems would do it, or the
      energy or communications infrastructure. One vital
      brick crumbles and the whole empire tumbles down.

      And forget "we could fix it soon enough" ... some of
      these systems hold up SO much that there'd be nothing
      left worth fixing in a matter of weeks. The fuel
      runs out, the food runs out, the lights stay off,
      it goes Mad Max real quick.

      Ironically, 3rd/4th would would barely notice anything
      had happened. Afghan goatherds might notice fewer
      people coming around to annoy them.

      THAT the little hacks COULD get so deeply inside our
      supposedly "safe" systems just (again) demonstrates
      the level of vulnerability which exists.

      I doubt we will ever hear much about the actual methods
      and tactics involved - top secret stuff no doubt.

    I concur.
    And to agravate matters, a new dragon has or will soon enter the
    cyberspace, namely artificial intelligence. Up until more or less now,
    hacking has been personel intensive, probably in the thousands, wether
    they are tethered to hostile govs or not. AI will in all likelyhood
    change all of that. AI acts and learns. It will become more and more
    efficient and quite forseeably, much less personel dependent.
    Furthermore, it will be relentless, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
    Just imagine a coordinated simultaneous AI controlled cyberspace attack
    on utilities (water, gas, electricity, etc.) transport (our computerized private and public vehicles), data (finance, medical, gov and private administration, military, etc.). It is predictable that such an attack
    would be more damaging than a powerful EMP event, not to mention almost ridiculously inexpensive.
    In my view, it is not a question of IF but a question of WHEN.
    Considering the disruptive potential of such an AI attack, I am pretty
    sure that the likes of Vlad, Xi, Kim and their groupies are already on
    it. Caveat emptor.
    Chasseur

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From 68g.1499@21:1/5 to Chasseur on Tue Feb 6 01:40:33 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics.usa

    On 2/5/24 1:32 PM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2024-02-04 à 21:21, 68g.1499 a écrit :
    On 2/4/24 9:29 AM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2024-02-03 à 04:08, 68g.1499 a écrit :
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13029089/Notorious-Russia-gang-claims-stole-classified-secret-documents-intelligence-agencies-FBI-warns-China-hackers-preparing-wreak-havoc-America.html


    Notorious Russia gang claims it stole 'classified and top
    secret documents' from US intelligence agencies - as FBI
    warns China hackers are preparing to 'wreak havoc' in America

    Ransomware group ALPHV stole top-secret FBI and U.S.
    intelligence documents

    FBI director Christopher Wray warns PRC hackers will
    take over America

    . . .

       Yep - they can get EVERYTHING. "Secret" stuff,
       banks, infrastructure ... we made it SO easy
       for sake of convenience.

       Oh ... if they know what's in those 'secret'
       dox then it means they weren't even encrypted.
       What's up with that ? Oh, yea ... "trust your
       provider to thoroughly encrypt your data" ...

       I always pre-encrypted anything that was being
       stored "in the cloud". Never spent a single
       millisecond as plain text. Apparently yer govt
       and vital services can't be bothered ......

       Apologize for excess groups for Linux people,
       but the same warnings apply.

    Of all the «Shit Hits The Fan scenarios» this is one of, if not the
    short term most probable...

    Chasseur

       Enemy govts work through "criminal" proxies for
       deniability reasons. Many of the proxies may not
       even know of the state connections, indeed the
       thrill of crime likely boosts their performance.

       What we see today is mostly just 'probing', experiments,
       looking for weaknesses, victims, new methods. This can do
       a lot of damage, but should things deteriorate to more
       real cyberwar the damages would be a thousand times worse.

       1st-world is 1st-world because everything is efficient,
       smoothly integrated at every scale. Alas that sort of
       of interdependency is fairly easy to sabotage. Going
       after just the banking systems would do it, or the
       energy or communications infrastructure. One vital
       brick crumbles and the whole empire tumbles down.

       And forget "we could fix it soon enough" ... some of
       these systems hold up SO much that there'd be nothing
       left worth fixing in a matter of weeks. The fuel
       runs out, the food runs out, the lights stay off,
       it goes Mad Max real quick.

       Ironically, 3rd/4th would would barely notice anything
       had happened. Afghan goatherds might notice fewer
       people coming around to annoy them.

       THAT the little hacks COULD get so deeply inside our
       supposedly "safe" systems just (again) demonstrates
       the level of vulnerability which exists.

       I doubt we will ever hear much about the actual methods
       and tactics involved - top secret stuff no doubt.

    I concur.
    And to agravate matters, a new dragon has or will soon enter the
    cyberspace, namely artificial intelligence. Up until more or less now, hacking has been personel intensive, probably in the thousands, wether
    they are tethered to hostile govs or not. AI will in all likelyhood
    change all of that. AI acts and learns. It will become more and more efficient and quite forseeably, much less personel dependent.
    Furthermore, it will be relentless, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
    Just imagine a coordinated simultaneous AI controlled cyberspace attack
    on utilities (water, gas, electricity, etc.) transport (our computerized private and public vehicles), data (finance, medical, gov and private administration, military, etc.). It is predictable that such an attack
    would be more damaging than a powerful EMP event, not to mention almost ridiculously inexpensive.
    In my view, it is not a question of IF but a question of WHEN.
    Considering the disruptive potential of such an AI attack, I am pretty
    sure that the likes of Vlad, Xi, Kim and their groupies are already on
    it. Caveat emptor.
    Chasseur


    Current "AI" models need to be TRAINED. This can be a
    complication, esp when there is a lot of variation in
    what it's supposed to be looking for. Even tomorrows
    "self-training" AIs - a possible bridge to true
    e-sentience - might have problems UNLESS the targets
    were pretty standard.

    Commercial services like SolarWinds and M$ and friends
    DO offer a lot of 'standard' aspects. This makes them
    especially vulnerable. Clearly a way, per the news, was
    discovered (by mere humans). It'd become a lot faster
    and easier once AIs became involved. Current AIs can
    become VERY good at emulating humans - which will
    greatly facilitate "human factor" approaches. Very
    "human seeming" correspondence over e-mail, even
    over phone, can be created. Will fool almost anyone.

    Note the vast increase in phony "abduction" scams
    and "grandmother" scams. A person in my office called
    and said she'd been kidnapped and money should be
    beamed to a yet-to-be-specified account. Thing
    is she was busy, in her office, seemed surprised
    she'd been kidnapped. SOUNDED convincing, used
    something close to her voice. An AI attack. Passed
    it along to the cops - who, no surprise, could not
    do anything with it. Might have originated in
    Romania for all I know.

    That was a couple years ago. It'll get better and better -
    soon to include 'live' video no doubt - they just need a
    few photos they find online. SAME approaches can be used
    to scam people out of access codes and such. People ARE
    the weakest link. Forget your OWN skills - think "barely
    competent button-pushing people". These days THEY are
    the real gate-keepers. All for 'convenience" ...

    Enemies have MANY routes ... and, being the instigators,
    defenses will always be behind the curve. Some kind of
    CyberDoom awaits.

    Oh, you can't really eat gold coins ... a basement
    full of dried beans might be better :-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Chasseur on Tue Feb 6 23:29:26 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics.usa
    XPost: sci.military.naval

    On 2/5/2024 12:32 PM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2024-02-04 à 21:21, 68g.1499 a écrit :
    On 2/4/24 9:29 AM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2024-02-03 à 04:08, 68g.1499 a écrit :
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13029089/Notorious-Russia-gang-claims-stole-classified-secret-documents-intelligence-agencies-FBI-warns-China-hackers-preparing-wreak-havoc-America.html

    Notorious Russia gang claims it stole 'classified and top
    secret documents' from US intelligence agencies - as FBI
    warns China hackers are preparing to 'wreak havoc' in America

    Ransomware group ALPHV stole top-secret FBI and U.S.
    intelligence documents

    FBI director Christopher Wray warns PRC hackers will
    take over America

    . . .

       Yep - they can get EVERYTHING. "Secret" stuff,
       banks, infrastructure ... we made it SO easy
       for sake of convenience.

       Oh ... if they know what's in those 'secret'
       dox then it means they weren't even encrypted.
       What's up with that ? Oh, yea ... "trust your
       provider to thoroughly encrypt your data" ...

       I always pre-encrypted anything that was being
       stored "in the cloud". Never spent a single
       millisecond as plain text. Apparently yer govt
       and vital services can't be bothered ......

       Apologize for excess groups for Linux people,
       but the same warnings apply.

    Of all the «Shit Hits The Fan scenarios» this is one of, if not the
    short term most probable...

    Chasseur

       Enemy govts work through "criminal" proxies for
       deniability reasons. Many of the proxies may not
       even know of the state connections, indeed the
       thrill of crime likely boosts their performance.

       What we see today is mostly just 'probing', experiments,
       looking for weaknesses, victims, new methods. This can do
       a lot of damage, but should things deteriorate to more
       real cyberwar the damages would be a thousand times worse.

       1st-world is 1st-world because everything is efficient,
       smoothly integrated at every scale. Alas that sort of
       of interdependency is fairly easy to sabotage. Going
       after just the banking systems would do it, or the
       energy or communications infrastructure. One vital
       brick crumbles and the whole empire tumbles down.

       And forget "we could fix it soon enough" ... some of
       these systems hold up SO much that there'd be nothing
       left worth fixing in a matter of weeks. The fuel
       runs out, the food runs out, the lights stay off,
       it goes Mad Max real quick.

       Ironically, 3rd/4th would would barely notice anything
       had happened. Afghan goatherds might notice fewer
       people coming around to annoy them.

       THAT the little hacks COULD get so deeply inside our
       supposedly "safe" systems just (again) demonstrates
       the level of vulnerability which exists.

       I doubt we will ever hear much about the actual methods
       and tactics involved - top secret stuff no doubt.

    I concur.
    And to agravate matters, a new dragon has or will soon enter the
    cyberspace, namely artificial intelligence. Up until more or less now, hacking has been personel intensive, probably in the thousands, wether
    they are tethered to hostile govs or not. AI will in all likelyhood
    change all of that. AI acts and learns. It will become more and more efficient and quite forseeably, much less personel dependent.
    Furthermore, it will be relentless, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
    Just imagine a coordinated simultaneous AI controlled cyberspace attack
    on utilities (water, gas, electricity, etc.) transport (our computerized private and public vehicles), data (finance, medical, gov and private administration, military, etc.). It is predictable that such an attack
    would be more damaging than a powerful EMP event, not to mention almost ridiculously inexpensive.
    In my view, it is not a question of IF but a question of WHEN.
    Considering the disruptive potential of such an AI attack, I am pretty
    sure that the likes of Vlad, Xi, Kim and their groupies are already on
    it. Caveat emptor.
    Chasseur

    Could it be that such releases are by our own government to ramp up
    Patriotic fears and to encourage enlistments/war profiteering? Have you
    noted how many military commanding officers have been canned and yet reassigned? We may have to add our name to the list of our enemies.
    We have several good examples right in this NG!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From 68g.1499@21:1/5 to Leper on Wed Feb 7 01:42:38 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics.usa
    XPost: sci.military.naval

    On 2/7/24 12:29 AM, Leper wrote:
    On 2/5/2024 12:32 PM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2024-02-04 à 21:21, 68g.1499 a écrit :
    On 2/4/24 9:29 AM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2024-02-03 à 04:08, 68g.1499 a écrit :
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13029089/Notorious-Russia-gang-claims-stole-classified-secret-documents-intelligence-agencies-FBI-warns-China-hackers-preparing-wreak-havoc-America.html


    Notorious Russia gang claims it stole 'classified and top
    secret documents' from US intelligence agencies - as FBI
    warns China hackers are preparing to 'wreak havoc' in America

    Ransomware group ALPHV stole top-secret FBI and U.S.
    intelligence documents

    FBI director Christopher Wray warns PRC hackers will
    take over America

    . . .

       Yep - they can get EVERYTHING. "Secret" stuff,
       banks, infrastructure ... we made it SO easy
       for sake of convenience.

       Oh ... if they know what's in those 'secret'
       dox then it means they weren't even encrypted.
       What's up with that ? Oh, yea ... "trust your
       provider to thoroughly encrypt your data" ...

       I always pre-encrypted anything that was being
       stored "in the cloud". Never spent a single
       millisecond as plain text. Apparently yer govt
       and vital services can't be bothered ......

       Apologize for excess groups for Linux people,
       but the same warnings apply.

    Of all the «Shit Hits The Fan scenarios» this is one of, if not the
    short term most probable...

    Chasseur

       Enemy govts work through "criminal" proxies for
       deniability reasons. Many of the proxies may not
       even know of the state connections, indeed the
       thrill of crime likely boosts their performance.

       What we see today is mostly just 'probing', experiments,
       looking for weaknesses, victims, new methods. This can do
       a lot of damage, but should things deteriorate to more
       real cyberwar the damages would be a thousand times worse.

       1st-world is 1st-world because everything is efficient,
       smoothly integrated at every scale. Alas that sort of
       of interdependency is fairly easy to sabotage. Going
       after just the banking systems would do it, or the
       energy or communications infrastructure. One vital
       brick crumbles and the whole empire tumbles down.

       And forget "we could fix it soon enough" ... some of
       these systems hold up SO much that there'd be nothing
       left worth fixing in a matter of weeks. The fuel
       runs out, the food runs out, the lights stay off,
       it goes Mad Max real quick.

       Ironically, 3rd/4th would would barely notice anything
       had happened. Afghan goatherds might notice fewer
       people coming around to annoy them.

       THAT the little hacks COULD get so deeply inside our
       supposedly "safe" systems just (again) demonstrates
       the level of vulnerability which exists.

       I doubt we will ever hear much about the actual methods
       and tactics involved - top secret stuff no doubt.

    I concur.
    And to agravate matters, a new dragon has or will soon enter the
    cyberspace, namely artificial intelligence. Up until more or less now,
    hacking has been personel intensive, probably in the thousands, wether
    they are tethered to hostile govs or not. AI will in all likelyhood
    change all of that. AI acts and learns. It will become more and more
    efficient and quite forseeably, much less personel dependent.
    Furthermore, it will be relentless, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
    Just imagine a coordinated simultaneous AI controlled cyberspace
    attack on utilities (water, gas, electricity, etc.) transport (our
    computerized private and public vehicles), data (finance, medical, gov
    and private administration, military, etc.). It is predictable that
    such an attack would be more damaging than a powerful EMP event, not
    to mention almost ridiculously inexpensive.
    In my view, it is not a question of IF but a question of WHEN.
    Considering the disruptive potential of such an AI attack, I am pretty
    sure that the likes of Vlad, Xi, Kim and their groupies are already on
    it. Caveat emptor.
    Chasseur

    Could it be that such releases are by our own government to ramp up
    Patriotic fears and to encourage enlistments/war profiteering? Have you
    noted how many military commanding officers have been canned and yet reassigned? We may have to add our name to the list of our enemies.
    We have several good examples right in this NG!


    I don't think this was fake because it mentioned too many
    big companies that got ripped off. M$ wants a sterling rep
    (undeserved, but it WANTS that illusion) so I don't think
    it'd go along with a convoluted scheme like you suggested.

    And these groups, state proxies or not - ARE out there and
    busy little beavers.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Leper@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 7 23:25:52 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics.usa
    XPost: sci.military.naval

    On 2/7/2024 12:42 AM, 68g.1499 wrote:
    On 2/7/24 12:29 AM, Leper wrote:
    On 2/5/2024 12:32 PM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2024-02-04 à 21:21, 68g.1499 a écrit :
    On 2/4/24 9:29 AM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2024-02-03 à 04:08, 68g.1499 a écrit :
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13029089/Notorious-Russia-gang-claims-stole-classified-secret-documents-intelligence-agencies-FBI-warns-China-hackers-preparing-wreak-havoc-America.html

    Notorious Russia gang claims it stole 'classified and top
    secret documents' from US intelligence agencies - as FBI
    warns China hackers are preparing to 'wreak havoc' in America

    Ransomware group ALPHV stole top-secret FBI and U.S.
    intelligence documents

    FBI director Christopher Wray warns PRC hackers will
    take over America

    . . .

       Yep - they can get EVERYTHING. "Secret" stuff,
       banks, infrastructure ... we made it SO easy
       for sake of convenience.

       Oh ... if they know what's in those 'secret'
       dox then it means they weren't even encrypted.
       What's up with that ? Oh, yea ... "trust your
       provider to thoroughly encrypt your data" ...

       I always pre-encrypted anything that was being
       stored "in the cloud". Never spent a single
       millisecond as plain text. Apparently yer govt
       and vital services can't be bothered ......

       Apologize for excess groups for Linux people,
       but the same warnings apply.

    Of all the «Shit Hits The Fan scenarios» this is one of, if not the >>>>> short term most probable...

    Chasseur

       Enemy govts work through "criminal" proxies for
       deniability reasons. Many of the proxies may not
       even know of the state connections, indeed the
       thrill of crime likely boosts their performance.

       What we see today is mostly just 'probing', experiments,
       looking for weaknesses, victims, new methods. This can do
       a lot of damage, but should things deteriorate to more
       real cyberwar the damages would be a thousand times worse.

       1st-world is 1st-world because everything is efficient,
       smoothly integrated at every scale. Alas that sort of
       of interdependency is fairly easy to sabotage. Going
       after just the banking systems would do it, or the
       energy or communications infrastructure. One vital
       brick crumbles and the whole empire tumbles down.

       And forget "we could fix it soon enough" ... some of
       these systems hold up SO much that there'd be nothing
       left worth fixing in a matter of weeks. The fuel
       runs out, the food runs out, the lights stay off,
       it goes Mad Max real quick.

       Ironically, 3rd/4th would would barely notice anything
       had happened. Afghan goatherds might notice fewer
       people coming around to annoy them.

       THAT the little hacks COULD get so deeply inside our
       supposedly "safe" systems just (again) demonstrates
       the level of vulnerability which exists.

       I doubt we will ever hear much about the actual methods
       and tactics involved - top secret stuff no doubt.

    I concur.
    And to agravate matters, a new dragon has or will soon enter the
    cyberspace, namely artificial intelligence. Up until more or less
    now, hacking has been personel intensive, probably in the thousands,
    wether they are tethered to hostile govs or not. AI will in all
    likelyhood change all of that. AI acts and learns. It will become
    more and more efficient and quite forseeably, much less personel
    dependent. Furthermore, it will be relentless, 24 hours a day, 365
    days a year.
    Just imagine a coordinated simultaneous AI controlled cyberspace
    attack on utilities (water, gas, electricity, etc.) transport (our
    computerized private and public vehicles), data (finance, medical,
    gov and private administration, military, etc.). It is predictable
    that such an attack would be more damaging than a powerful EMP event,
    not to mention almost ridiculously inexpensive.
    In my view, it is not a question of IF but a question of WHEN.
    Considering the disruptive potential of such an AI attack, I am
    pretty sure that the likes of Vlad, Xi, Kim and their groupies are
    already on it. Caveat emptor.
    Chasseur

    Could it be that such releases are by our own government to ramp up
    Patriotic fears and to encourage enlistments/war profiteering? Have
    you noted how many military commanding officers have been canned and
    yet reassigned? We may have to add our name to the list of our enemies.
    We have several good examples right in this NG!


      I don't think this was fake because it mentioned too many
      big companies that got ripped off. M$ wants a sterling rep
      (undeserved, but it WANTS that illusion) so I don't think
      it'd go along with a convoluted scheme like you suggestI

    I would bet otherwise. The history of many of these companies has always
    made organized crime to be actual petty in comparison. Do you remember
    the "The _____ of Silicon Valley"? Maybe you should trot your all
    knowing self through Archives of alt2600. Tell us ignorant folks where
    TOR was born? Also how many years AI has been operational.




      And these groups, state proxies or not - ARE out there and
      busy little beavers.


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From 68g.1502@21:1/5 to Leper on Fri Feb 9 04:21:31 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics.usa
    XPost: sci.military.naval

    On 2/8/24 12:25 AM, Leper wrote:
    On 2/7/2024 12:42 AM, 68g.1499 wrote:
    On 2/7/24 12:29 AM, Leper wrote:
    On 2/5/2024 12:32 PM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2024-02-04 à 21:21, 68g.1499 a écrit :
    On 2/4/24 9:29 AM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2024-02-03 à 04:08, 68g.1499 a écrit :
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13029089/Notorious-Russia-gang-claims-stole-classified-secret-documents-intelligence-agencies-FBI-warns-China-hackers-preparing-wreak-havoc-America.html


    Notorious Russia gang claims it stole 'classified and top
    secret documents' from US intelligence agencies - as FBI
    warns China hackers are preparing to 'wreak havoc' in America

    Ransomware group ALPHV stole top-secret FBI and U.S.
    intelligence documents

    FBI director Christopher Wray warns PRC hackers will
    take over America

    . . .

       Yep - they can get EVERYTHING. "Secret" stuff,
       banks, infrastructure ... we made it SO easy
       for sake of convenience.

       Oh ... if they know what's in those 'secret'
       dox then it means they weren't even encrypted.
       What's up with that ? Oh, yea ... "trust your
       provider to thoroughly encrypt your data" ...

       I always pre-encrypted anything that was being
       stored "in the cloud". Never spent a single
       millisecond as plain text. Apparently yer govt
       and vital services can't be bothered ......

       Apologize for excess groups for Linux people,
       but the same warnings apply.

    Of all the «Shit Hits The Fan scenarios» this is one of, if not
    the short term most probable...

    Chasseur

       Enemy govts work through "criminal" proxies for
       deniability reasons. Many of the proxies may not
       even know of the state connections, indeed the
       thrill of crime likely boosts their performance.

       What we see today is mostly just 'probing', experiments,
       looking for weaknesses, victims, new methods. This can do
       a lot of damage, but should things deteriorate to more
       real cyberwar the damages would be a thousand times worse.

       1st-world is 1st-world because everything is efficient,
       smoothly integrated at every scale. Alas that sort of
       of interdependency is fairly easy to sabotage. Going
       after just the banking systems would do it, or the
       energy or communications infrastructure. One vital
       brick crumbles and the whole empire tumbles down.

       And forget "we could fix it soon enough" ... some of
       these systems hold up SO much that there'd be nothing
       left worth fixing in a matter of weeks. The fuel
       runs out, the food runs out, the lights stay off,
       it goes Mad Max real quick.

       Ironically, 3rd/4th would would barely notice anything
       had happened. Afghan goatherds might notice fewer
       people coming around to annoy them.

       THAT the little hacks COULD get so deeply inside our
       supposedly "safe" systems just (again) demonstrates
       the level of vulnerability which exists.

       I doubt we will ever hear much about the actual methods
       and tactics involved - top secret stuff no doubt.

    I concur.
    And to agravate matters, a new dragon has or will soon enter the
    cyberspace, namely artificial intelligence. Up until more or less
    now, hacking has been personel intensive, probably in the thousands,
    wether they are tethered to hostile govs or not. AI will in all
    likelyhood change all of that. AI acts and learns. It will become
    more and more efficient and quite forseeably, much less personel
    dependent. Furthermore, it will be relentless, 24 hours a day, 365
    days a year.
    Just imagine a coordinated simultaneous AI controlled cyberspace
    attack on utilities (water, gas, electricity, etc.) transport (our
    computerized private and public vehicles), data (finance, medical,
    gov and private administration, military, etc.). It is predictable
    that such an attack would be more damaging than a powerful EMP
    event, not to mention almost ridiculously inexpensive.
    In my view, it is not a question of IF but a question of WHEN.
    Considering the disruptive potential of such an AI attack, I am
    pretty sure that the likes of Vlad, Xi, Kim and their groupies are
    already on it. Caveat emptor.
    Chasseur

    Could it be that such releases are by our own government to ramp up
    Patriotic fears and to encourage enlistments/war profiteering? Have
    you noted how many military commanding officers have been canned and
    yet reassigned? We may have to add our name to the list of our enemies.
    We have several good examples right in this NG!


       I don't think this was fake because it mentioned too many
       big companies that got ripped off. M$ wants a sterling rep
       (undeserved, but it WANTS that illusion) so I don't think
       it'd go along with a convoluted scheme like you suggestI

    I would bet otherwise. The history of many of these companies has always
    made organized crime to be actual petty in comparison. Do you remember
    the "The _____ of Silicon Valley"?  Maybe you should trot your all
    knowing self through Archives of alt2600. Tell us ignorant folks where
    TOR was born? Also how many years AI has been operational.

    ?Que?

    Ya know, I've no idea how long TOR has been around. One
    day it was just there.

    "AI" has never been operational - NONE of them rate as
    actually intelligent/sentient. They're getting to FAKE
    it pretty good now however.

    Never seen "alt2600".

    Anyway, I don't think big corps would dare go along with
    the kind of scheme you suggest because it's very BAD for
    their reputations and reputations = $$$

    DID find NSA backdoors in Win2k registry though ...


       And these groups, state proxies or not - ARE out there and
       busy little beavers.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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