I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24).
Suddenly, the mouse doesn't work anymore. It often helps to unplug
it and to plug it again but not always. Same with memory cards.
Often, I have to reset the machine to be able to read USB sticks
and memory cards. Is this behavior normal?
I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24). Suddenly,
the mouse doesn't work anymore. It often helps to unplug it and to plug it again but not always. Same with memory cards. Often, I have to reset the machine to be able to read USB sticks and memory cards. Is this behavior normal?
I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24).
Suddenly, the mouse doesn't work anymore. It often helps to unplug it
and to plug it again but not always. Same with memory cards. Often, I
have to reset the machine to be able to read USB sticks and memory
cards. Is this behavior normal?
I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24). Suddenly, the mouse doesn't work anymore. It often helps to unplug it and to plug it
again but not always. Same with memory cards. Often, I have to reset the machine to be able to read USB sticks and memory cards. Is this behavior normal?
In message <5ba467efb6bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24).
Suddenly, the mouse doesn't work anymore. It often helps to
unplug it and to plug it again but not always. Same with memory
cards. Often, I have to reset the machine to be able to read USB
sticks and memory cards. Is this behavior normal?
I really think you should update to the current version of RISC OS.
There have been many fixes and improvements since the version you're
using.
I always run with a development version of RISC OS that is no more
than a few weeks old. It is very rare to find that it introduces a
problem, but I keep a few previous versions so that I can instantly
revert if necessary. You could consider doing the same.
In message <5ba467efb6bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24).
Suddenly, the mouse doesn't work anymore. It often helps to unplug it
and to plug it again but not always. Same with memory cards. Often, I
have to reset the machine to be able to read USB sticks and memory
cards. Is this behavior normal?
Generally fine. However, I run the keyboard and mouse through a KVM
switch and very occasionally switching freezes the machine. If that
happens, I cycle through the connections on the KVM, and that sometimes
makes the Titanium wake up.
I've reported it to Elesar, and they've sent me tweaked XHCIDriver
module, but it doesn't seem to have fixed things.
One observation - if I am backing up a large file to my NAS over
ethernet, this seems to make switching the USB much more prone to
freezing. There shouldn't be an interaction between USB and ethernet in
this was, as they're completely selerate subsystems, but I was
wondering whether the ethernet subsystem is generating an interrupt at
a time when the USB subsystem is not expecting it.
I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24). Suddenly,
the mouse doesn't work anymore. It often helps to unplug it and to plug
it again but not always. Same with memory cards. Often, I have to reset
the machine to be able to read USB sticks and memory cards. Is this
behavior normal?
In article <5ba467efb6bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>, Alexander
Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24). Suddenly,
the mouse doesn't work anymore. It often helps to unplug it and to plug
it again but not always. Same with memory cards. Often, I have to reset
the machine to be able to read USB sticks and memory cards. Is this
behavior normal?
I have a FAST from RiscOS Bits.
I'm running RISCO 4.29.
In message <5ba5f06dadnewslists@npost.uk> Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:
In article <5ba467efb6bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>, Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24).
Suddenly, the mouse doesn't work anymore. It often helps to unplug
it and to plug it again but not always. Same with memory cards.
Often, I have to reset the machine to be able to read USB sticks and
memory cards. Is this behavior normal?
I have a FAST from RiscOS Bits. I'm running RISCO 4.29.
Cor, I did not know RISC OS 4 worked on a Compute Module 4 :-)
I've reported it to Elesar, and they've sent me tweaked XHCIDriver
module, but it doesn't seem to have fixed things.
In article <5ba467efb6bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24).
Suddenly, the mouse doesn't work anymore. It often helps to unplug
it and to plug it again but not always. Same with memory cards.
Often, I have to reset the machine to be able to read USB sticks
and memory cards. Is this behavior normal?
Not here on this Titanium. But I am running RO5.31.
RO5.24 was released over 6 years ago, and there have been many many
changes since then.
Is there a reason why you have not upgraded?
On 22/09/2024 15:09, Alexander Ausserstorfer wrote:
I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24). Suddenly,
the mouse doesn't work anymore. It often helps to unplug it and to plug it >> again but not always. Same with memory cards. Often, I have to reset the
machine to be able to read USB sticks and memory cards. Is this behavior
normal?
I don't have any experience with the Titanium, but the first thing to
check on other devices is that the power supply is sufficient and
stable, as some USB devices can have a high power draw.
In article <5ba46a7c94News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
In article <5ba467efb6bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24). Suddenly, the mouse doesn't work anymore. It often helps to unplug it and to plug it again but not always. Same with memory cards. Often, I have to reset the machine to be able to read USB sticks and memory cards. Is this behavior normal?
Not here on this Titanium. But I am running RO5.31. RO5.24 was released over 6 years ago, and there have been many many changes since then.
Is there a reason why you have not upgraded?
The Titanium is from 2018. Normally I don't change anything because with
RISC OS I made the experience that updates can cause problems with another software (applications etc.).
In message <5ba7fe069dbavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
In article <5ba46a7c94News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
In article <5ba467efb6bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>, Alexander
Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24).
Suddenly, the mouse doesn't work anymore. It often helps to
unplug it and to plug it again but not always. Same with
memory cards. Often, I have to reset the machine to be able
to read USB sticks and memory cards. Is this behavior normal?
Not here on this Titanium. But I am running RO5.31. RO5.24 was
released over 6 years ago, and there have been many many
changes since then.
Is there a reason why you have not upgraded?
The Titanium is from 2018. Normally I don't change anything
because with RISC OS I made the experience that updates can cause
problems with another software (applications etc.).
I'm not familiar with the Titanium, so I'll ask a naive question:
if you upgrade, is it easy to roll back if the result is
unsatisfactory?
I run a Raspberry Pi. I just upgraded this evening from 5.31 of
September 10th, to 5.31 of September 28th. Even if it failed to
boot (which, of course, it didn't), all I would have to do is put
the micro SD card into any computer that can read a FAT-formatted
card and edit a text file. If it booted but something stopped
working correctly, I could make the same edit while it's still
running RISC OS.
In article <ba292ba85b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
I'm not familiar with the Titanium, so I'll ask a naive question:
if you upgrade, is it easy to roll back if the result is
unsatisfactory?
YES! You can softload the ROMs very easily from a menu.
I have 5.28 in ROM, and softload from 5.30 and various 5.31 versions.
I run a Raspberry Pi. I just upgraded this evening from 5.31 of
September 10th, to 5.31 of September 28th. Even if it failed to
boot (which, of course, it didn't), all I would have to do is put
the micro SD card into any computer that can read a FAT-formatted
card and edit a text file. If it booted but something stopped
working correctly, I could make the same edit while it's still
running RISC OS.
Titanium is even easier - just reboot and select another ROM from the
menu.
In article <5ba82febeaNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
In article <ba292ba85b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
if you upgrade, is it easy to roll back if the result is
unsatisfactory?
YES! You can softload the ROMs very easily from a menu. I have
5.28 in ROM, and softload from 5.30 and various 5.31 versions.
Where did you find version 5.31? I just found 5.30 for the Titanium.
It seems to me that version 5.30 requires another new !Boot
application. I can copy this to the root directory of my harddisc,
sure. However, I will lost all changes I did in the past to the old
!Boot application then. It causes a lot of work to bring all done
chances to the new !Boot application.
And I'm not sure if this is the cause for the mouse or USB memory
stick fails. With the keyboard I never had problems like that.
Another problem with the Titanium I have is sometimes when I switch
it on the screen keeps black and the keyboard doesn't change
anything (pressing shift lock). I have to reset the machine
sometimes three or four times to get it running.
It seems to me that version 5.30 requires another new !Boot application.
I can copy this to the root directory of my harddisc, sure. However, I
will lost all changes I did in the past to the old !Boot application
then. It causes a lot of work to bring all done chances to the new !Boot application.
It seems to me that version 5.30 requires another new !Boot application.
I can copy this to the root directory of my harddisc, sure. However, I
will lost all changes I did in the past to the old !Boot application
then. It causes a lot of work to bring all done chances to the new !Boot application.
In reality, I bet you haven't; if you set about updating in a
methodical way, you'd have it done in a couple of hours or so. And
you would keep a backup so that, in the unlikely event that it does
all go wrong, you can revert to exactly where you are now.
In article <463d2da95b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
In reality, I bet you haven't; if you set about updating in a
methodical way, you'd have it done in a couple of hours or so.
And you would keep a backup so that, in the unlikely event that
it does all go wrong, you can revert to exactly where you are now.
Going back to an old !Boot application (backup) after using a new
one means loosing all datas which was written to the new !Boot
application like !NewsBase (but I'm using !Pluto today). This can
leed to a mess.
Okay, I gave RISC OS 5.30 a try. After installing it I'm able to
choose between RISC OS 5.24 and RISC OS 5.30 (but still missing
RISC OS 5.28 yet which I installed in former times for !Iris but I
don't use anymore).
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2024-10-08/PA082332.JPGwhich shows the 5.30 ROM being softloaded after 10 seconds.
After that a window is appearing then: http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2024-10-08/PA082333.JPGshowing the Network Config window.
I don't know for what use.showing the Reset window
After clicking on button 'Save' I get http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2024-10-08/PA082334.JPG
And after clicking on 'Reset now' I get http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2024-10-08/PA082335.JPGshowing startup not completed due to horrible network error.
the message 'Task Manager not active.'
The next sequence is http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2024-10-08/PA082336.JPG
I want to switch on the machine and it should go directly (without
any help from the user) to the desktop.
I don't understand for what good is the update.
In article <5bac85d754bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
The next sequence is http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2024-10-08/PA082336.JPGshowing startup not completed due to horrible network error.
In article <5bac85d754bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
In article <463d2da95b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
In reality, I bet you haven't; if you set about updating in a
methodical way, you'd have it done in a couple of hours or so.
And you would keep a backup so that, in the unlikely event that
it does all go wrong, you can revert to exactly where you are now.
Going back to an old !Boot application (backup) after using a new
one means loosing all datas which was written to the new !Boot
application like !NewsBase (but I'm using !Pluto today). This can
leed to a mess.
That is why I suggested updating to 5.28 first - you can then update
your old !Boot without losing anything. I offered to send you the
required zips, as they are no longer generally available.
In the 5.30 !Boot, if you copy the 5.28 ROM in to
!Boot.Resources.Softload with a name of RO528 it will be added to the
boot menu as shown ...
After that a window is appearing then:
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2024-10-08/PA082333.JPG
showing the Network Config window.
Have you been running the ROD network stack?
If so, you should uninstall the ROD network stack before any major
RISC OS updates. It can be re-installed later if you wish.
See https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/11/topics/19317
In article <5bac8b7512News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
However, I was not able to save the change: http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2024-10-10/PA102340.JPG because the system was missing the variable PreDesk$Configure:
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2024-10-10/PA102341.JPG
So I added the file
!Boot.Choices.Boot.PreDesk.Configure.!Run
to the list in
!Boot -> Configure -> Boot -> Run:
This tinkering claimed around two hours. This is the point why
normally I don't do updates. There are always annoying problems.
In article <5bad809024bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
In article <5bac8b7512News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip]
However, I was not able to save the change:
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2024-10-10/PA102340.JPG
because the system was missing the variable PreDesk$Configure:
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2024-10-10/PA102341.JPG
So I added the file
!Boot.Choices.Boot.PreDesk.Configure.!Run
to the list in
!Boot -> Configure -> Boot -> Run:
That should not be necessary. Something is incorrect in your Boot
sequence, as it should be run automatically during Boot...
when !Boot.!Run
calls <Boot$Dir>.Utils.BootRun which contains
Do Repeat BootRun <Boot$ToBeLoaded> -directories <Boot$ProgressRun>
(with <Boot$ToBeLoaded> = <Choices$Wrire>.Boot.PreDesk)
which calls PreDesk.Configure.!Run
I don't understand, what you're writing here because I don't know
what all this means. It seems to me to be very complicated.
I placed a plain !Boot from inside the file
HardDisc4/5/30/zip.Harddisc4 (13 M) to the root directory of the
harddisc and added the contents of
Titanium-Soft/5/30/zip.soft.!Boot to it.
After a restart I got the same: the highest monitor resolution I
can choose (of all monitor types) is 640 x 500.
I don't know more so I will switch back to RISC OS 5.24 to have a
proper working machine here. I cannot tinker all the time around
with it. RISC OS doesn't seem to be so userfriendly nowadays like
it was in former times with RISC OS 3.
In article <5badbdee41bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
I don't know more so I will switch back to RISC OS 5.24 to have a proper working machine here. I cannot tinker all the time around with it. RISC
OS doesn't seem to be so userfriendly nowadays like it was in former
times with RISC OS 3.
Since RISC OS 3 lots of effort has been put into making it more user friendly, and easier to update. Delaying updates has exposed some of the problems that still exist.
I placed a plain !Boot from inside the file HardDisc4/5/30/zip.Harddisc4
(13 M) to the root directory of the harddisc and added the contents of Titanium-Soft/5/30/zip.soft.!Boot to it. After a restart I got the same:
the highest monitor resolution I can choose (of all monitor types) is
640 x 500.
*show:
Boot$ToBeLoaded : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.!BOOT.Choices.Boot.PreDesk
PreDesk$Configure : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.!BOOT.Choices.Boot.PreDesk.Configure.Monitor
are set here. Anyway, I cannot save any changes to the monitor types.
I don't know more so I will switch back to RISC OS 5.24 to have a proper working machine here. I cannot tinker all the time around with it. RISC
OS doesn't seem to be so userfriendly nowadays like it was in former
times with RISC OS 3. Thanks for help.
Last days I installed a plain !Boot without any modifications for
softloading RISC OS - and monitor resolution 1280 x 1024 was
available.
But it seem to me that there was some modules missing.
So I had to install https://www.riscosopen.org/zipfiles/platform/common/PlingSystem.zip?1728538208
too.
The problem is always !Boot, not RISC OS. Changing and tinkering
around !Boot is not a good idea. It will always get confused. It
was so in the past (with RISC OS 4) and it is so today.
I think I'll order a second Titanium next time, install there
anything I need to have a working machine. And after that, I may be
able to update or to do any changes or to examine the old machine.
In article <5baf40e7ddbavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
!Boot is part of RISC OS, as it executes the complicated code to start
it. Thus there are times when to improve RISC OS, the !Boot sequence
has to change.
I think I'll order a second Titanium next time, install there
anything I need to have a working machine. And after that, I may be
able to update or to do any changes or to examine the old machine.
That really is overkill, But your choice.
You seem to have ignored my suggested update method. I give up.
I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24).
Suddenly, the mouse doesn't work anymore. It often helps to unplug it
and to plug it again but not always. Same with memory cards. Often, I
have to reset the machine to be able to read USB sticks and memory
cards. Is this behavior normal?
In article <5ba467efb6bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24).
Suddenly, the mouse doesn't work anymore. It often helps to unplug it
and to plug it again but not always. Same with memory cards. Often, I
have to reset the machine to be able to read USB sticks and memory
cards. Is this behavior normal?
Currently, I'm using yet an active USB hub. It seems to me, that the
system is working now without any problems but I cannot say this savely
yet. Will need more time to do that.
In article <5bb63d56d9bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,[Snip]
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
In article <5ba467efb6bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
I often have problems with USB on my Titanium (RISC OS 5.24).
I disconnected two hard discs from the Titanium now and it seems to
me that the three hard discs running at the same time is the
problem. The hard discs are connected by cables, two cables for
each hard disc) direct to the motherboard, not by USB. I don't
unterstand why. The Titanium has a 300 W power supply. Isn't this
enough to run three hard disc at same time?
It is also strange to me that the entry !Boot -> configuration ->
discs has no effect to the hard discs. When I connect them, they
are appearing on the task bar (pardon: icon bar), regardless of
what number the discs panel shows (entry conventional SCSI).
The Titanium has a 300 W power supply. Isn't this enough to run three hard disc at same time?
In message <5c20581bf2bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
The Titanium has a 300 W power supply. Isn't this enough to run
three hard disc at same time?
I think that 300W isn't saying much. Classical PC power supplies are a
class of its own. You have different Voltages and more or minor they
are all generated by the same electronic components. This means that
drawing too much or too less from 12V may effect 5V or vice versa.
Modern PC power supplies are provding lots of Watts on 12V but only
very few Watts on 5V etc.. And the Titanium is not a PC and has entire different demands AFAIR. I heard about a case years ago where some
LEDs needed to be fitted to force the power supply conencted to the
Titanium into work as the mainboard itself uses so few Watts.
I'm just a user and haven't a clue in this issue. The point is that I got
the power supply and computer case from Elesars, too. I thought that the engineer and producer of the Titanium does know their own machine well but
I think now that this isn't the case.
On 24 May, Alexander Ausserstorfer wrote in message
<5c21d9d5eebavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>:
I'm just a user and haven't a clue in this issue. The point is that I got
the power supply and computer case from Elesars, too. I thought that the
engineer and producer of the Titanium does know their own machine well but >> I think now that this isn't the case.
Have you asked Elesar about the problem? What did they say?
I don't understand what this has to do with USB, mouse and keyboard, but
it helps me to do some proper work here.
On 28 May, Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
I don't understand what this has to do with USB, mouse and keyboard, but
it helps me to do some proper work here.
I'm fairly certain that Ethernet on the Titanium is connected to the main board via a USB<->Ethernet adaptor
Are you sure about that?
The driver is EtherCPSW, not EtherUSB, and the EtherNet/IP stuff is in a different corner of the AM572x block diagram from the USB stuff.
On 28 May, Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
I'm fairly certain that Ethernet on the Titanium is connected to the main board via a USB<->Ethernet adaptor, so could well be the source of your issue.
Do the peripherals freeze when you boot with the cable out, and plug it in later?
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 491 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 145:47:49 |
| Calls: | 9,694 |
| Calls today: | 4 |
| Files: | 13,730 |
| Messages: | 6,178,516 |
