• SSd or spinning rust

    From Stuart@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 29 20:00:03 2025
    Although I have a NAS, I am looking at additional back-up facilities for
    all my RISCOS stuff. Whilst I can copy my RISCOs stuff, along with all the
    PC stuff, from the NAS to a large portable drive connected to my PC,
    RISCOS filetypes are destroyed. I would, therefore, like to attach a large external drive to my Ra-Pi, and copy on to that.

    Now, I can buy a re-certified 3.5" 256G WD Caviar Blue, from CPC for
    £10.49,
    or,
    A 2.5" Crucial MX500 250G SSD for £28.32 from the same company.

    The question is, which to go for?

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  • From Sniffer@21:1/5 to Stuart on Wed Jan 29 20:24:03 2025
    On 29/01/2025 20:00, Stuart wrote:
    Although I have a NAS, I am looking at additional back-up facilities for
    all my RISCOS stuff. Whilst I can copy my RISCOs stuff, along with all the
    PC stuff, from the NAS to a large portable drive connected to my PC,
    RISCOS filetypes are destroyed. I would, therefore, like to attach a large external drive to my Ra-Pi, and copy on to that.

    Now, I can buy a re-certified 3.5" 256G WD Caviar Blue, from CPC for
    £10.49,
    or,
    A 2.5" Crucial MX500 250G SSD for £28.32 from the same company.

    The question is, which to go for?


    IMHO, SSD everytime. Don't forget to backup your backups though!

    By the way, 500GB Crucial SSD for same price on Amazon.

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to Sniffer on Wed Jan 29 21:30:03 2025
    In article <vne2p3$2c51h$1@dont-email.me>,
    Sniffer <sniffer@dewberryfields.co.uk> wrote:
    On 29/01/2025 20:00, Stuart wrote:
    Although I have a NAS, I am looking at additional back-up facilities
    for all my RISCOS stuff. Whilst I can copy my RISCOs stuff, along with
    all the PC stuff, from the NAS to a large portable drive connected to
    my PC, RISCOS filetypes are destroyed. I would, therefore, like to
    attach a large external drive to my Ra-Pi, and copy on to that.

    Now, I can buy a re-certified 3.5" 256G WD Caviar Blue, from CPC for £10.49, or, A 2.5" Crucial MX500 250G SSD for £28.32 from the same
    company.

    The question is, which to go for?


    IMHO, SSD everytime. Don't forget to backup your backups though!

    That is effectively what I am doing. The back-ups I have on the NAS, being backed up to a portable drive. As well as the NAS, everything I do on the
    Ra-Pi is also copied across to my ARMX6, ARMBook, and Kinetic. Similarly
    with stuff created on the Kinetic and ARMX6.

    I am inclined to go with you because an SSD would not require additional
    power whereas a spinning rust drive would.


    By the way, 500GB Crucial SSD for same price on Amazon.

    Thanks but I try to avoid Amazon if I can, it's all too easy to find I
    have signed up to Prime. CPC is an outfit I use quite a bit and, although
    it wouldn't apply in this case, I can always find additional components to exceed the £20 minimum order to get free postage.

    Stuart.

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  • From druck@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 29 21:29:02 2025
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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Stuart on Wed Jan 29 21:35:11 2025
    In message <5be6f6d18dStuart.winsor@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
    Stuart <Stuart.winsor@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    Although I have a NAS, I am looking at additional back-up facilities for
    all my RISCOS stuff. Whilst I can copy my RISCOs stuff, along with all the
    PC stuff, from the NAS to a large portable drive connected to my PC, RISCOS filetypes are destroyed.

    Go to https://davehigton.me.uk and look at DBack and DRest.

    David

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to David Higton on Thu Jan 30 09:00:04 2025
    In article <f18bffe65b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <5be6f6d18dStuart.winsor@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
    Stuart <Stuart.winsor@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    Although I have a NAS, I am looking at additional back-up facilities
    for all my RISCOS stuff. Whilst I can copy my RISCOs stuff, along with
    all the PC stuff, from the NAS to a large portable drive connected to
    my PC, RISCOS filetypes are destroyed.

    Go to https://davehigton.me.uk and look at DBack and DRest.

    Are there any advantages over the functionality of !SafeStore, which I
    already use?

    --
    Stuart Winsor

    Tools With A Mission
    sending tools across the world
    http://www.twam.co.uk/

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to druck on Thu Jan 30 09:00:03 2025
    In article <vne6iu$2i0ob$1@dont-email.me>,
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
    You will need to format it as FileCore format, as otherwise using
    FAT32FS will have same issues as the network filing systems described
    above. This will limit you to only formatting the drive to 256GB in
    practice.

    That is my intention, hence the intention to purchase 256G drives rather
    than anything larger

    What I would do is get 3 of the 256GB dives for the same price as the
    SSD, and rotate them so you have 3 backups of various ages (useful you
    don't notice you have deleted an important file until after a backup).

    That is an interesting point, though, as I stated in my later post, files
    are copied to all my RISCOS machines.

    The only non RISCOS generated files I have, are photographs, which are
    stored on one of the hard drives of my wife's PC, backed up to the NAS, subsequently to a 4TB portable drive, and the original SSD cards are also
    kept.

    And make sure one of those drives is kept in a completely different
    location in case of disasters.

    In my case, the obvious place would be my shed, which is around 30ft from
    the house, insulated and heated. When back ups were smaller and I used CDs
    and later DVDs, they were kept in "lock n lock" plastic boxes, in there.

    S

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  • From Sniffer@21:1/5 to Paul Sprangers on Thu Jan 30 09:34:31 2025
    On 30/01/2025 09:20, Paul Sprangers wrote:

    Don't forget to backup your backups though!

    That's what I regularly do - the backup as well as the forgetting.
    My solution however is quite pricey: 500 Gbyte at pCloud, which costs a few hundred pounds, but which will never rust or die.

    From time to time, I use my Windows computer to copy the RISC OS backups on the NAS to pCloud, from which I can access them on my 4té2 (directly
    backing up from RISC OS is too slow). And of course, I benefit from all the other features of pCloud. But yeah, it's not exactly cheap, albeit a one
    time investment.

    Paul


    Remote backup's are essential for any _real_ disaster recovery plan.

    I guess what people do depends on the perceived importance of the data, remembering of course, one's own time is extremely valuable!

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  • From Paul Sprangers@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 30 10:20:19 2025
    Don't forget to backup your backups though!

    That's what I regularly do - the backup as well as the forgetting.
    My solution however is quite pricey: 500 Gbyte at pCloud, which costs a few hundred pounds, but which will never rust or die.

    From time to time, I use my Windows computer to copy the RISC OS backups on
    the NAS to pCloud, from which I can access them on my 4té2 (directly
    backing up from RISC OS is too slow). And of course, I benefit from all the other features of pCloud. But yeah, it's not exactly cheap, albeit a one
    time investment.

    Paul

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Stuart on Thu Jan 30 21:00:44 2025
    In message <5be73df3f3Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
    Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <f18bffe65b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <5be6f6d18dStuart.winsor@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
    Stuart <Stuart.winsor@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    Although I have a NAS, I am looking at additional back-up facilities
    for all my RISCOS stuff. Whilst I can copy my RISCOs stuff, along with all the PC stuff, from the NAS to a large portable drive connected to
    my PC, RISCOS filetypes are destroyed.

    Go to https://davehigton.me.uk and look at DBack and DRest.

    Are there any advantages over the functionality of !SafeStore, which I already use?

    I can't answer that because I don't know SafeStore. I flagged it to
    you because it would appear to do what you want - backups (and restores!)
    with all the metadata exactly retained.

    And if SafeStore doew what you want, why are you looking for something
    else? What facilities are missing?

    David

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to David Higton on Thu Jan 30 22:30:03 2025
    In article <9d3a80e75b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <5be73df3f3Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
    Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <f18bffe65b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <5be6f6d18dStuart.winsor@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
    Stuart <Stuart.winsor@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    Although I have a NAS, I am looking at additional back-up
    facilities for all my RISCOS stuff. Whilst I can copy my RISCOs
    stuff, along with all the PC stuff, from the NAS to a large
    portable drive connected to my PC, RISCOS filetypes are destroyed.

    Go to https://davehigton.me.uk and look at DBack and DRest.

    Are there any advantages over the functionality of !SafeStore, which I already use?

    I can't answer that because I don't know SafeStore. I flagged it to
    you because it would appear to do what you want - backups (and restores!) with all the metadata exactly retained.

    And if SafeStore doew what you want, why are you looking for something
    else? What facilities are missing?

    If you read my original post, I wasn't looking for backup software, I was pondering on whether to back up to SSD or spinning rust

    --
    Stuart Winsor

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Stuart on Thu Jan 30 22:34:33 2025
    In message <5be7878afcSpambin@argonet.co.uk>
    Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <9d3a80e75b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <5be73df3f3Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
    Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <f18bffe65b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <5be6f6d18dStuart.winsor@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
    Stuart <Stuart.winsor@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    Although I have a NAS, I am looking at additional back-up
    facilities for all my RISCOS stuff. Whilst I can copy my RISCOs stuff, along with all the PC stuff, from the NAS to a large
    portable drive connected to my PC, RISCOS filetypes are destroyed.

    Go to https://davehigton.me.uk and look at DBack and DRest.

    Are there any advantages over the functionality of !SafeStore, which I already use?

    I can't answer that because I don't know SafeStore. I flagged it to you because it would appear to do what you want - backups (and restores!)
    with all the metadata exactly retained.

    And if SafeStore doew what you want, why are you looking for something else? What facilities are missing?

    If you read my original post, I wasn't looking for backup software, I was pondering on whether to back up to SSD or spinning rust

    ... because, when you backed up to the PC, "RISCOS filetypes are destroyed".
    So I'm offering you something that will back up to, and restore from, a
    PC while keeping the file types etc. prefectly intact.

    David

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to David Higton on Fri Jan 31 15:45:03 2025
    In article <a4d188e75b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    ... because, when you backed up to the PC, "RISCOS filetypes are
    destroyed". So I'm offering you something that will back up to, and
    restore from, a PC while keeping the file types etc. prefectly intact.

    Let me explain.

    Backing up and retrieving from my NAS is not a problem, but, periodically,
    I back up my NAS to an NTFS format portable drive, via my PC. It is those backups when the RISCOS file types get screwed.

    What I intend to do is to get a 256G SSD or HDD, formatted to RISCOS
    format and back up to that, avoiding windows getting involved at all. So,
    the question is SSD or spinning rust, which is better for long time
    storage, bearing in mind a S.R. drive would require more power, hence an additional external PSU, whereas an SSD would probably be Ok on the USB3
    port of my Ra-Pi. Yes I'm aware RISCOS cannot make use of USB3 speed, but
    the port is capable of supplying higher power than the USB2 of my ARMX6.

    --
    Stuart Winsor

    Tools With A Mission
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  • From druck@21:1/5 to Stuart on Mon Feb 3 21:14:39 2025
    On 30/01/2025 09:00, Stuart wrote:
    In article <vne6iu$2i0ob$1@dont-email.me>,
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
    And make sure one of those drives is kept in a completely different
    location in case of disasters.

    In my case, the obvious place would be my shed, which is around 30ft from
    the house, insulated and heated. When back ups were smaller and I used CDs and later DVDs, they were kept in "lock n lock" plastic boxes, in there.

    I think that is a bit close when considering fire, flood, wind damage or burglary. I try to aim for somewhere at least 30 miles from the house!

    ---druck

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to druck on Tue Feb 4 09:00:02 2025
    In article <vnrbjv$1f9qg$1@dont-email.me>,
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
    In my case, the obvious place would be my shed, which is around 30ft
    from the house, insulated and heated. When back ups were smaller and I
    used CDs and later DVDs, they were kept in "lock n lock" plastic
    boxes, in there.

    I think that is a bit close when considering fire, flood, wind damage or burglary. I try to aim for somewhere at least 30 miles from the house!

    When I was working I kept backups (a handful of floppies in those days) in
    my filing cabinet at work, 25 miles away, but the best I could manage now
    would be at my eldest daughter's house about 10 miles away. I do want them
    to be accessible, by other daughter, in Boston, is 2hrs drive away

    --
    Stuart Winsor

    Tools With A Mission
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