• Checking SSDs

    From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 24 09:50:19 2025
    Hi,

    Does DiscKnight work with SSDs?

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    Chris

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  • From Chris Hughes@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Mon Mar 24 09:55:00 2025
    In message <5c028e27a9newslists@npost.uk>
    Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

    Hi,

    Does DiscKnight work with SSDs?

    Yes, but depends on the format in use.

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    Chris Hughes

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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to Chris Hughes on Mon Mar 24 15:25:42 2025
    In article <7a958e025c.chris@mytardis>,
    Chris Hughes <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <5c028e27a9newslists@npost.uk>
    Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

    Hi,
    from RiscOS BITs
    Does DiscKnight work with SSDs?

    Yes, but depends on the format in use.

    ADFS on a FAST from RiscOS BIts.

    --
    Chris

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  • From Chris Hughes@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Mon Mar 24 17:26:55 2025
    In message <5c02acdc43newslists@npost.uk>
    Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

    In article <7a958e025c.chris@mytardis>,
    Chris Hughes <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <5c028e27a9newslists@npost.uk>
    Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

    Hi,
    from RiscOS BITs
    Does DiscKnight work with SSDs?

    Yes, but depends on the format in use.

    ADFS on a FAST from RiscOS BIts.

    If it is ADFS I would think it would work, but not sure if uses 4K sectors
    on the drive it would.

    Ask Andy at RISCOSBits.

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    Chris Hughes

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  • From druck@21:1/5 to Chris Hughes on Mon Mar 24 21:30:42 2025
    On 24/03/2025 17:26, Chris Hughes wrote:
    In message <5c02acdc43newslists@npost.uk>
    Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

    In article <7a958e025c.chris@mytardis>,
    Chris Hughes <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <5c028e27a9newslists@npost.uk>
    Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

    Hi,
    from RiscOS BITs
    Does DiscKnight work with SSDs?

    Yes it will.

    It's mainly corruption caused by crashing and power loss that will be a
    the problem with SSDs. They don't tend to fail slowly with sectors
    becoming unreadable as can happen with hard drives. When they do fail
    they either go read-only, or completely dead.


    Yes, but depends on the format in use.

    ADFS on a FAST from RiscOS BIts.

    DiscKnight supports Filecore format with just about any type of hardware
    that provides standard RISC OS filing system calls.

    If it is ADFS I would think it would work, but not sure if uses 4K sectors
    on the drive it would.

    It does support 4K sectors, but I've not had much feedback from people repairing such discs, so please follow the instructions of keeping an
    undo file, and contacting DiscKnight support if you are not sure about anything.

    ---druck

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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to druck on Tue Mar 25 10:18:25 2025
    In article <vrsiu2$1mn6f$1@dont-email.me>,
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
    On 24/03/2025 17:26, Chris Hughes wrote:
    In message <5c02acdc43newslists@npost.uk>
    Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

    In article <7a958e025c.chris@mytardis>,
    Chris Hughes <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <5c028e27a9newslists@npost.uk>
    Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

    Hi,
    from RiscOS BITs
    Does DiscKnight work with SSDs?

    Yes it will.

    It's mainly corruption caused by crashing and power loss that will be a
    the problem with SSDs. They don't tend to fail slowly with sectors
    becoming unreadable as can happen with hard drives. When they do fail
    they either go read-only, or completely dead.

    Thanks Druck. On my FAST m/c Iris often does not close nicely. I get an
    message (I cannot get to where I stored it at the moment). If Iris is
    running still on the icon bar when I shut down it often stiffs the
    machine so the shutdown sequence does not complete and I just have to
    power off. Could this be having dire consequences for the SSD?

    --
    Chris

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  • From Chris Hughes@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Tue Mar 25 11:59:49 2025
    In message <5c0314907dnewslists@npost.uk>
    Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

    In article <vrsiu2$1mn6f$1@dont-email.me>,
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
    On 24/03/2025 17:26, Chris Hughes wrote:
    In message <5c02acdc43newslists@npost.uk>
    Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

    In article <7a958e025c.chris@mytardis>,
    Chris Hughes <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <5c028e27a9newslists@npost.uk>
    Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

    Hi,
    from RiscOS BITs
    Does DiscKnight work with SSDs?

    Yes it will.

    It's mainly corruption caused by crashing and power loss that will be a
    the problem with SSDs. They don't tend to fail slowly with sectors
    becoming unreadable as can happen with hard drives. When they do fail
    they either go read-only, or completely dead.

    Thanks Druck. On my FAST m/c Iris often does not close nicely. I get an message (I cannot get to where I stored it at the moment). If Iris is
    running still on the icon bar when I shut down it often stiffs the
    machine so the shutdown sequence does not complete and I just have to
    power off. Could this be having dire consequences for the SSD?

    No, just use the watchdog (ALT-BREAK) to clear the issue which is caused
    by the WebKitNetwork process for Iris getting tied in knots.

    A new beta version of Iris is also now available to download which might improve things but do read the important notes etc in the zip file.

    --
    Chris Hughes

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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to lists@noonehere.co.uk on Tue Mar 25 14:49:51 2025
    In article <12d91d035c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
    <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <5c0314907dnewslists@npost.uk> Chris Newman

    <snip>

    A new beta version of Iris is also now available to download which
    might improve things but do read the important notes etc in the zip
    file.

    I tried that. I merged the supplied Boot and System files in case
    anything had changed since the last version. Ran Iris, unticked JIT as instructed for newer hardware and re-ran Iris. I got a blank front page.
    No search Engine or the links that used to be there. Bookmarks and
    history were OK. I re-started the FAST which then threw a wobbly and said
    Disc Drive not known.
    Probably not related but now I'm even more confused than usual.

    --
    Chris

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  • From Chris Hughes@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Tue Mar 25 15:31:38 2025
    In message <5c032d6a39newslists@npost.uk>
    Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

    In article <12d91d035c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
    <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <5c0314907dnewslists@npost.uk> Chris Newman

    <snip>

    A new beta version of Iris is also now available to download which
    might improve things but do read the important notes etc in the zip
    file.

    I tried that. I merged the supplied Boot and System files in case
    anything had changed since the last version. Ran Iris, unticked JIT as instructed for newer hardware and re-ran Iris. I got a blank front page.
    No search Engine or the links that used to be there. Bookmarks and
    history were OK. I re-started the FAST which then threw a wobbly and said Disc Drive not known.
    Probably not related but now I'm even more confused than usual.

    I have just upgraded to the news version of Iris, I did not bother with
    either the Boot or System files as they were the same as previous
    versions. But immediately rebooted so the updated Iris files were detected/seen.

    Turned off JIT and ensured I clicked on Save rather then just Set.

    Checked the new session section in Choices, my default is "don't open a
    window" on startup.

    Clicked on the Iris icon and it opened the home page, which now uses
    Startpage search instead of Google as it first entry

    Your start.html file is located in !Iris.home.start/html

    Check in choices under general your URL's for the home page are pointing
    to the correct location

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    Chris Hughes

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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to lists@noonehere.co.uk on Tue Mar 25 17:24:55 2025
    In article <663d31035c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
    <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <5c032d6a39newslists@npost.uk> Chris Newman
    <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

    In article <12d91d035c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <5c0314907dnewslists@npost.uk> Chris Newman

    <snip>

    A new beta version of Iris is also now available to download which
    might improve things but do read the important notes etc in the zip
    file.

    I tried that. I merged the supplied Boot and System files in case
    anything had changed since the last version. Ran Iris, unticked JIT
    as instructed for newer hardware and re-ran Iris. I got a blank front
    page. No search Engine or the links that used to be there. Bookmarks
    and history were OK. I re-started the FAST which then threw a wobbly
    and said Disc Drive not known. Probably not related but now I'm even
    more confused than usual.

    I have just upgraded to the news version of Iris, I did not bother with either the Boot or System files as they were the same as previous
    versions. But immediately rebooted so the updated Iris files were detected/seen.

    Turned off JIT and ensured I clicked on Save rather then just Set.

    Checked the new session section in Choices, my default is "don't open a window" on startup.

    Clicked on the Iris icon and it opened the home page, which now uses Startpage search instead of Google as it first entry

    Your start.html file is located in !Iris.home.start/html

    Check in choices under general your URL's for the home page are
    pointing to the correct location

    Ta. Will do. I have little glitch with the R5 machine which I think I'm
    getting to the bottom of so will try when/if that's sorted.

    --
    Chris

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  • From druck@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Tue Mar 25 21:24:32 2025
    On 25/03/2025 10:18, Chris Newman wrote:
    Thanks Druck. On my FAST m/c Iris often does not close nicely. I get an message (I cannot get to where I stored it at the moment). If Iris is
    running still on the icon bar when I shut down it often stiffs the
    machine so the shutdown sequence does not complete and I just have to
    power off. Could this be having dire consequences for the SSD?

    The SSD will be fine physically, but RISC OS may leave the disk format
    in an inconsistent state. DiscKnight can repair the disk and make it
    usable again, but you may eventually lose a file or have it's contents corrupted, so there is no substitute for regular backups.

    ---druck

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