• Re: CRAP Poll: My Mouse Is...

    From rms@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 28 16:53:12 2024
    2) ... A high-end gaming mouse;

    CoolerMaster MM520, with a MM720 waiting. These are successors to, with better sensors but inferior ergonomics, to the classic fingertip mouse Spawn https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/legacy-products/peripheral/spawn/#!

    rms

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Tue May 28 18:40:19 2024
    On 5/28/2024 1:35 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    I've been late with this month's Completely Random And Pointless Poll.
    So I won't take too long on the intro for this one. This time, let's
    focus on your mouse. You know, that wiggly lil' plastic gadget beneath
    your hand. Let's describe it!

    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:

    1) ...Top of the line! It has more buttons than my keyboard!
    It has so many LEDs I need a special permit so airplanes
    don't mistake it for landing lights. It's DPI is measured
    in fentometers. It's more programmable than my primary PC.
    If I can't do it with my mouse, it can't be done by any
    mouse.

    2) ... A high-end gaming mouse; high-DPI and easily
    programmable so I can pwn the n00bs!

    3) ... A high-end regular mouse; more than the usual 3-buttons
    and perhaps an above-average DPI. I'm a good office worker!

    4) ... A mouse. Click-click-click. Hey, look, it's even
    got a scroll-wheel! What else could a mouse have?

    5) ... The cheapest piece of plastic tat available, but
    it gets the job done (barely).

    6) ... An Apple mouse: stylish but horrid to use

    7) ... Still got a ball!

    8) ... A trackpad, because I hate myself.

    9) ... A trackball! (or some alternate pointing device,
    like the Thinkpad's mouse nub)

    10) ... A keyboard, because real users stick with the
    command line

    11) ... What's a mouse? I move the cursor by inputting the
    coordinate deltas manually!



    Myself, I fall firmly into category 3, with my stylish and comfortable Logitech mouse. Six buttons, although I almost never use any but the
    main two. (well, more accurately -given my habit of collecting useless electronics- I have a multitude which spans almost the entire list.
    But my primary mouse -the one I most often use- is as boring as
    described above).


    So describe your mouse? Do you let your hand wallow in luxury with the highest-end pointing device available, or tempt carpal tunnel with
    something that only vaguely resembles a mouse? The compilers of CRAP
    poll data need a response!

    My mouse is a type IV rodent.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to rms on Wed May 29 05:30:04 2024
    rms <rsquiresMOO@MOOflashMOO.net> wrote at 22:53 this Tuesday (GMT):
    2) ... A high-end gaming mouse;

    CoolerMaster MM520, with a MM720 waiting. These are successors to, with better sensors but inferior ergonomics, to the classic fingertip mouse Spawn https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/legacy-products/peripheral/spawn/#!

    rms


    Wow, that is fancy.
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed May 29 05:30:03 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 20:35 this Tuesday (GMT):

    I've been late with this month's Completely Random And Pointless Poll.
    So I won't take too long on the intro for this one. This time, let's
    focus on your mouse. You know, that wiggly lil' plastic gadget beneath
    your hand. Let's describe it!

    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:

    1) ...Top of the line! It has more buttons than my keyboard!
    It has so many LEDs I need a special permit so airplanes
    don't mistake it for landing lights. It's DPI is measured
    in fentometers. It's more programmable than my primary PC.
    If I can't do it with my mouse, it can't be done by any
    mouse.

    2) ... A high-end gaming mouse; high-DPI and easily
    programmable so I can pwn the n00bs!

    3) ... A high-end regular mouse; more than the usual 3-buttons
    and perhaps an above-average DPI. I'm a good office worker!

    4) ... A mouse. Click-click-click. Hey, look, it's even
    got a scroll-wheel! What else could a mouse have?

    5) ... The cheapest piece of plastic tat available, but
    it gets the job done (barely).

    6) ... An Apple mouse: stylish but horrid to use

    7) ... Still got a ball!

    8) ... A trackpad, because I hate myself.

    9) ... A trackball! (or some alternate pointing device,
    like the Thinkpad's mouse nub)

    10) ... A keyboard, because real users stick with the
    command line

    11) ... What's a mouse? I move the cursor by inputting the
    coordinate deltas manually!



    Myself, I fall firmly into category 3, with my stylish and comfortable Logitech mouse. Six buttons, although I almost never use any but the
    main two. (well, more accurately -given my habit of collecting useless electronics- I have a multitude which spans almost the entire list.
    But my primary mouse -the one I most often use- is as boring as
    described above).


    So describe your mouse? Do you let your hand wallow in luxury with the highest-end pointing device available, or tempt carpal tunnel with
    something that only vaguely resembles a mouse? The compilers of CRAP
    poll data need a response!


    4, easily. I've been using the same Logitech mouse for a while now.
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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 29 07:47:56 2024
    Probably the closest is a 3) with a bit of 2) as it's a MX518 Legendary
    which I got to replace my original MX518 as the buttons were starting to
    get sticky literally. I did take it apart to give a good clean. That
    went well the problem was I failed trying to put it back together.

    I did think about getting a 'proper' gaming mouse but considering how
    rare it was that I even bothered to remap keys to buttons I though I'd
    just go for one which is just the same as I've already got but with some hardware updates.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Wed May 29 08:08:20 2024
    On 29/05/2024 02:40, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    My mouse is a type IV rodent.

    Once when we visited Sterling Castle (Scotland) we were in the gift shop
    and my better asked why would you get a mat for a mouse, what's the
    mouse going to do with it? It took me few seconds to process that they
    though it was a mat for a real life mouse!

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 29 03:52:50 2024
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On 29/05/2024 02:40, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    My mouse is a type IV rodent.

    Once when we visited Sterling Castle (Scotland) we were in the gift shop
    and my better asked why would you get a mat for a mouse, what's the
    mouse going to do with it? It took me few seconds to process that they
    though it was a mat for a real life mouse!


    Should have replied "it's for mouse wrestling, how can they 'go to the
    mat' if they don't have a mat?"

    Never heard it called a mat before, always a mouse pad here in Canada.

    Xocyll

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 29 03:50:49 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:


    I've been late with this month's Completely Random And Pointless Poll.
    So I won't take too long on the intro for this one. This time, let's
    focus on your mouse. You know, that wiggly lil' plastic gadget beneath
    your hand. Let's describe it!

    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:

    1) ...Top of the line! It has more buttons than my keyboard!
    It has so many LEDs I need a special permit so airplanes
    don't mistake it for landing lights. It's DPI is measured
    in fentometers. It's more programmable than my primary PC.
    If I can't do it with my mouse, it can't be done by any
    mouse.

    2) ... A high-end gaming mouse; high-DPI and easily
    programmable so I can pwn the n00bs!

    3) ... A high-end regular mouse; more than the usual 3-buttons
    and perhaps an above-average DPI. I'm a good office worker!

    4) ... A mouse. Click-click-click. Hey, look, it's even
    got a scroll-wheel! What else could a mouse have?

    5) ... The cheapest piece of plastic tat available, but
    it gets the job done (barely).

    6) ... An Apple mouse: stylish but horrid to use

    7) ... Still got a ball!

    8) ... A trackpad, because I hate myself.

    9) ... A trackball! (or some alternate pointing device,
    like the Thinkpad's mouse nub)

    10) ... A keyboard, because real users stick with the
    command line

    11) ... What's a mouse? I move the cursor by inputting the
    coordinate deltas manually!



    Myself, I fall firmly into category 3, with my stylish and comfortable >Logitech mouse. Six buttons, although I almost never use any but the
    main two. (well, more accurately -given my habit of collecting useless >electronics- I have a multitude which spans almost the entire list.
    But my primary mouse -the one I most often use- is as boring as
    described above).

    Sounds a bit like mine, a corsair something or other.

    I've been using ambidextrous mice since the logitech mx-310.

    Standard layout + one button on each side and one behind the wheel.
    Ever since Half-life, I think, which did not recognize more than 2 mouse buttons, I have assigned them to pgup, pgdn and del (left side, right
    side, behind wheel.)

    If it's a shooter, pgup = reload, pgdn = interact, del grenade usually.

    I navigate in text modes/browsers/etc with the pgup/pgdn buttons daily.

    Index and middle finger on left/right, thumb and ring finger on the side buttons - it's comfortable and efficient.

    A crap load of Mx-310s (little plastic part inside wore down with use -
    prefect layout design, crap manufacturing, then a razor Taipan I think
    it was, same layout, a Steelseries sensei which didn't have articulated left/right buttons, instead the case bent, until it snapped.
    Replaced with some brand-x "Dragon Wars" mouse, which is still attached
    to the alt computer, and then finally this corsair on the new one.

    Wait, I lie, there was another mouse before the corsair, which I had to
    return since you could not customize anything without the drivers, which
    were not included and had to be downloaded, from a site that no longer
    existed since the company failed 2 years earlier.

    Frankly mousepad is if anything more important.

    Used 3M Precise Mousing Surface since the days of ball mice, but you
    can't find those anywhere anymore and I ended up with a Razer branded
    one. Add a little duct tape to the closest edge to stop it shifting
    and away you go.

    Hell you could even put cotton balls or something under the tape to make
    your own non intrusive wrist rest.

    Xocyll

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  • From rms@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 29 07:12:00 2024
    CoolerMaster MM520, with a MM720 waiting. These are successors to,
    with
    better sensors but inferior ergonomics, to the classic fingertip mouse
    Spawn
    https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/legacy-products/peripheral/spawn/#!

    Wow, that is fancy.

    Few buttons, but wide & stubby, like my women!

    rms

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed May 29 07:38:50 2024
    On 5/28/2024 1:35 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    I've been late with this month's Completely Random And Pointless Poll.
    So I won't take too long on the intro for this one. This time, let's
    focus on your mouse. You know, that wiggly lil' plastic gadget beneath
    your hand. Let's describe it!

    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:

    2) ... A high-end gaming mouse; high-DPI and easily
    programmable so I can pwn the n00bs!

    3) ... A high-end regular mouse; more than the usual 3-buttons
    and perhaps an above-average DPI. I'm a good office worker!

    Myself, I fall firmly into category 3, with my stylish and comfortable Logitech mouse. Six buttons, although I almost never use any but the
    main two. (well, more accurately -given my habit of collecting useless electronics- I have a multitude which spans almost the entire list.
    But my primary mouse -the one I most often use- is as boring as
    described above).


    So describe your mouse? Do you let your hand wallow in luxury with the highest-end pointing device available, or tempt carpal tunnel with
    something that only vaguely resembles a mouse? The compilers of CRAP
    poll data need a response!


    Logitech G502-Hero https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mice/g502-hero-gaming-mouse.910-005469.html

    Which fits somewhere between 2-3 I'd guess.

    It was recommended by a couple people here and was very popular
    elsewhere. I don't like the software to configure it, there's a couple
    places you can do it, and one of them was the wrong one. It also wants
    you to find the game and tie it to the game then it's supposed to change
    the configuration to that game as you enter and leave it. However it
    doing that is flakey, it doesn't always do it, and I just want to set it
    to that mode and leave it until I play something else. It tends to get confused by alt-tabbing or just leaving the window.

    Because of how arcane it is I only ever set it up with Dark Souls 3 and
    one other game I don't remember what. Unfortunately Elden ring was even
    more unfriendly to using a mouse than DS3, and I couldn't really use it
    and had to constantly switch back and forth to controller depending what
    I was doing which was too much trouble.

    The extra buttons are mostly very small some long and thin, and weirdly
    placed though and I have some trouble using them.

    It works fairly well and is comfortable as a normal mouse, but the
    button to change resolution is on the side and I occasionally
    accidentally press it by banging it into the keyboard. I also tend to
    hit the resolution button when scrolling as it's right below the wheel
    lock. Both those are annoying in games as it pops up a message over the
    game window in the bottom right distracting and slowing me down.


    ****

    My favorite I ever had was a Razor Naga which had 10 buttons by default
    mapped to the keyboard number row 1 through 0 on the side meant for use
    with an MMO. I never mapped those to anything else, and they were
    somewhat hard to use due to being the very tiny size, but I did use them
    on occasion, and I did do the other way where I mapped those keys in
    games to other functions. It eventually died, and I replaced it after
    using a standard 2(3) button mouse for awhile. The replacement required
    a username password with Razer to log in to open their configuration
    software. Due to an error on their website I wasn't able to create an
    account. I emailed their support multiple times with no response. I
    continued using it, but the mouse started having problems after a very
    short time (around 6 months if I remember correctly.

    Razor is now on my never buy from again, and warn others as often as it
    comes up due to these issues list.


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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed May 29 08:08:07 2024
    On 5/28/2024 1:35 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    I've been late with this month's Completely Random And Pointless Poll.
    So I won't take too long on the intro for this one. This time, let's
    focus on your mouse. You know, that wiggly lil' plastic gadget beneath
    your hand. Let's describe it!

    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:


    As an additional question, wired or wireless?

    I have an aversion to wireless as you have to have batteries which
    increase the weight, and the inconvenience of the mouse working
    intermittently when they get low until you replace them. Or having a rechargeable mouse where it doesn't work until it's charged a bit
    possibly, and having the recharging port wear out. It's been a long
    time since I used a wireless mouse.


    I'd also add to my answer I do use the touchpad on my work laptop due to
    space constraints and the fact I work on a lot of other people's laptops
    and end up having to use it on theirs.


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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed May 29 10:19:48 2024
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 16:35:30 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:


    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:

    3) ... A high-end regular mouse; more than the usual 3-buttons
    and perhaps an above-average DPI. I'm a good office worker!


    Logitech M510. Normal buttons and wheel + 2 side buttons, programmable by running executable.

    Under normal circumstances, the bottom side button throws the window onto
    the other screen, and the top side button changes the pointer speed to
    super slow for precision mousing.

    In games, it's a real plus and not too hard to remember what each button
    does.

    In BG3, the top side button is enter rounds, and the bottom side button
    is group hide. In overload, afterburners and flashlight, etc.

    I think if I had more buttons it would become pretty useless, because I'd
    be fumbling for the right button.

    I didn't know nor care what the DPI is. Most DPIs are "good enough" these
    days, but I looked it up and it's 1,000. Good enough for my skill level
    in an FPS. Not pro-gamer level.

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    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Wed May 29 13:35:31 2024
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 16:35:30 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:

    1) ...Top of the line! It has more buttons than my keyboard!
    It has so many LEDs I need a special permit so airplanes
    don't mistake it for landing lights. It's DPI is measured
    in fentometers. It's more programmable than my primary PC.
    If I can't do it with my mouse, it can't be done by any
    mouse.

    2) ... A high-end gaming mouse; high-DPI and easily
    programmable so I can pwn the n00bs!

    3) ... A high-end regular mouse; more than the usual 3-buttons
    and perhaps an above-average DPI. I'm a good office worker!

    I have a Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum. I have no idea if that is a 2
    or 3 but I don't remember it being that expensive so probably closer
    to 3 on your scale.

    I don't care at all about DPI but mine can go up to 1000. I only care
    how it feels in my hand and if I can remap buttons to keystrokes.

    To answer Justisaur's question, it is wired. I had wireless mice
    before this one but I got tired of charging and changing batteries.
    The wire on this one does not bother me so I am sticking to wired from
    now on.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed May 29 18:53:40 2024
    #4 -- Optical simple mouses (2 buttons + 1 scrollwheel) with PS/2 and
    #USB connections. PS/2 because I still use my OmnniCube KVM from Y2K!


    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    I've been late with this month's Completely Random And Pointless Poll.
    So I won't take too long on the intro for this one. This time, let's
    focus on your mouse. You know, that wiggly lil' plastic gadget beneath
    your hand. Let's describe it!

    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:

    1) ...Top of the line! It has more buttons than my keyboard!
    It has so many LEDs I need a special permit so airplanes
    don't mistake it for landing lights. It's DPI is measured
    in fentometers. It's more programmable than my primary PC.
    If I can't do it with my mouse, it can't be done by any
    mouse.

    2) ... A high-end gaming mouse; high-DPI and easily
    programmable so I can pwn the n00bs!

    3) ... A high-end regular mouse; more than the usual 3-buttons
    and perhaps an above-average DPI. I'm a good office worker!

    4) ... A mouse. Click-click-click. Hey, look, it's even
    got a scroll-wheel! What else could a mouse have?

    5) ... The cheapest piece of plastic tat available, but
    it gets the job done (barely).

    6) ... An Apple mouse: stylish but horrid to use

    7) ... Still got a ball!

    8) ... A trackpad, because I hate myself.

    9) ... A trackball! (or some alternate pointing device,
    like the Thinkpad's mouse nub)

    10) ... A keyboard, because real users stick with the
    command line

    11) ... What's a mouse? I move the cursor by inputting the
    coordinate deltas manually!



    Myself, I fall firmly into category 3, with my stylish and comfortable Logitech mouse. Six buttons, although I almost never use any but the
    main two. (well, more accurately -given my habit of collecting useless electronics- I have a multitude which spans almost the entire list.
    But my primary mouse -the one I most often use- is as boring as
    described above).


    So describe your mouse? Do you let your hand wallow in luxury with the highest-end pointing device available, or tempt carpal tunnel with
    something that only vaguely resembles a mouse? The compilers of CRAP
    poll data need a response!
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  • From Lane Larson@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed May 29 15:20:20 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    I've been late with this month's Completely Random And Pointless Poll.
    So I won't take too long on the intro for this one. This time, let's
    focus on your mouse. You know, that wiggly lil' plastic gadget beneath
    your hand. Let's describe it!

    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:

    1) ...Top of the line! It has more buttons than my keyboard!
    It has so many LEDs I need a special permit so airplanes
    don't mistake it for landing lights. It's DPI is measured
    in fentometers. It's more programmable than my primary PC.
    If I can't do it with my mouse, it can't be done by any
    mouse.

    2) ... A high-end gaming mouse; high-DPI and easily
    programmable so I can pwn the n00bs!

    3) ... A high-end regular mouse; more than the usual 3-buttons
    and perhaps an above-average DPI. I'm a good office worker!

    4) ... A mouse. Click-click-click. Hey, look, it's even
    got a scroll-wheel! What else could a mouse have?

    5) ... The cheapest piece of plastic tat available, but
    it gets the job done (barely).

    6) ... An Apple mouse: stylish but horrid to use

    7) ... Still got a ball!

    8) ... A trackpad, because I hate myself.

    9) ... A trackball! (or some alternate pointing device,
    like the Thinkpad's mouse nub)

    10) ... A keyboard, because real users stick with the
    command line

    11) ... What's a mouse? I move the cursor by inputting the
    coordinate deltas manually!



    Myself, I fall firmly into category 3, with my stylish and comfortable Logitech mouse. Six buttons, although I almost never use any but the
    main two. (well, more accurately -given my habit of collecting useless electronics- I have a multitude which spans almost the entire list.
    But my primary mouse -the one I most often use- is as boring as
    described above).


    So describe your mouse? Do you let your hand wallow in luxury with the highest-end pointing device available, or tempt carpal tunnel with
    something that only vaguely resembles a mouse? The compilers of CRAP
    poll data need a response!

    3.5) Nice mouse with a scroll wheel, but SILENT CLICK. I use my
    computer all through the night.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed May 29 21:40:07 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 14:08 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On Wed, 29 May 2024 03:50:49 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:


    Frankly mousepad is if anything more important.

    Shhhh! Don't give away next week's CRAP Poll! ;-)


    Maybe it's just me -or the average mice I use- but I've never really seen/felt much advantage from mouse pads. Or rather, not from a mouse
    pad over an average surface (there are times when a mouse pad is
    absolutely necessary because the table you're on is just so shitty
    that the mouse can't pick up anything, but in that case a piece of
    paper would work just as well).

    My current 'mousepad' is a 50-year old hand-made cutting board (you
    know, for slicing veggies and whatnot) I inherited from a relative.
    Since I already had a very nice cutting board in the kitchen, I had to
    find some use for this battered piece of wood (it's been in the family
    so long, and has hand-written notes on it from my uncle, who made the
    thing). Turns out, it's /just/ the right size to be used as a mousing surface. And I'm sure all those scrapes and knife-cuts make it a lot
    easier for the mouse to 'see' where it's going. ;-P


    I have a skyrim themed one my brother gave me.. It's a full-desk one.
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Wed May 29 21:40:06 2024
    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 15:08 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On 5/28/2024 1:35 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    I've been late with this month's Completely Random And Pointless Poll.
    So I won't take too long on the intro for this one. This time, let's
    focus on your mouse. You know, that wiggly lil' plastic gadget beneath
    your hand. Let's describe it!

    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:


    As an additional question, wired or wireless?

    I have an aversion to wireless as you have to have batteries which
    increase the weight, and the inconvenience of the mouse working intermittently when they get low until you replace them. Or having a rechargeable mouse where it doesn't work until it's charged a bit
    possibly, and having the recharging port wear out. It's been a long
    time since I used a wireless mouse.

    Yeah, it is annoying. However, on the go it is nice to not deal with a
    cable. For home/workstation setups, it is objectively worse IMO.

    I'd also add to my answer I do use the touchpad on my work laptop due to space constraints and the fact I work on a lot of other people's laptops
    and end up having to use it on theirs.


    Same, bc my mouse randomly cuts out for no reason. Probably an issue
    with the USB-C hub I use.
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to rms on Wed May 29 21:45:03 2024
    rms <rsquiresMOO@MOOflashMOO.net> wrote at 13:12 this Wednesday (GMT):
    CoolerMaster MM520, with a MM720 waiting. These are successors to,
    with
    better sensors but inferior ergonomics, to the classic fingertip mouse
    Spawn
    https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/legacy-products/peripheral/spawn/#!

    Wow, that is fancy.

    Few buttons, but wide & stubby, like my women!

    rms


    Not gonna question that
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Ant on Wed May 29 21:40:05 2024
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 18:53 this Wednesday (GMT):
    #4 -- Optical simple mouses (2 buttons + 1 scrollwheel) with PS/2 and
    #USB connections. PS/2 because I still use my OmnniCube KVM from Y2K!


    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    I've been late with this month's Completely Random And Pointless Poll.
    So I won't take too long on the intro for this one. This time, let's
    focus on your mouse. You know, that wiggly lil' plastic gadget beneath
    your hand. Let's describe it!

    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:

    1) ...Top of the line! It has more buttons than my keyboard!
    It has so many LEDs I need a special permit so airplanes
    don't mistake it for landing lights. It's DPI is measured
    in fentometers. It's more programmable than my primary PC.
    If I can't do it with my mouse, it can't be done by any
    mouse.

    2) ... A high-end gaming mouse; high-DPI and easily
    programmable so I can pwn the n00bs!

    3) ... A high-end regular mouse; more than the usual 3-buttons
    and perhaps an above-average DPI. I'm a good office worker!

    4) ... A mouse. Click-click-click. Hey, look, it's even
    got a scroll-wheel! What else could a mouse have?

    5) ... The cheapest piece of plastic tat available, but
    it gets the job done (barely).

    6) ... An Apple mouse: stylish but horrid to use

    7) ... Still got a ball!

    8) ... A trackpad, because I hate myself.

    9) ... A trackball! (or some alternate pointing device,
    like the Thinkpad's mouse nub)

    10) ... A keyboard, because real users stick with the
    command line

    11) ... What's a mouse? I move the cursor by inputting the
    coordinate deltas manually!



    Myself, I fall firmly into category 3, with my stylish and comfortable
    Logitech mouse. Six buttons, although I almost never use any but the
    main two. (well, more accurately -given my habit of collecting useless
    electronics- I have a multitude which spans almost the entire list.
    But my primary mouse -the one I most often use- is as boring as
    described above).


    So describe your mouse? Do you let your hand wallow in luxury with the
    highest-end pointing device available, or tempt carpal tunnel with
    something that only vaguely resembles a mouse? The compilers of CRAP
    poll data need a response!


    What's an omnicube?
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to candycanearter07@candycanearter07.n on Wed May 29 23:10:42 2024
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 18:53 this Wednesday (GMT):
    #4 -- Optical simple mouses (2 buttons + 1 scrollwheel) with PS/2 and
    #USB connections. PS/2 because I still use my OmnniCube KVM from Y2K!

    What's an omnicube?

    https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Omnicube-Kybrd-Mouse-Switch/dp/B00004Z7Y7

    KVM = Keyboard, Video, and Mouse. Yes, it's old and I still use old stuff.
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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 29 21:39:13 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Wed, 29 May 2024 03:50:49 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:


    Frankly mousepad is if anything more important.

    Shhhh! Don't give away next week's CRAP Poll! ;-)

    Oops. :)

    Maybe it's just me -or the average mice I use- but I've never really >seen/felt much advantage from mouse pads. Or rather, not from a mouse
    pad over an average surface (there are times when a mouse pad is
    absolutely necessary because the table you're on is just so shitty
    that the mouse can't pick up anything, but in that case a piece of
    paper would work just as well).

    The 3M Precise Mousing Surface was a godsend back in the ball mice days,
    it was designed as a sheet of peaks and valleys, the ball rolled on the
    peaks and the cruft that always ended up on the pad (dust, skin cells, whatever,) fell into the valleys.

    I kept using it into the led mouse times because it was ultra thin, and
    they tracked well on it. I'd place it where I wanted, then duct tape
    it down, and it would be higher than the regular desk top by ~1mm, so
    mostly unnoticeable.

    One of the later replacements, I could not get just the thin pad, they'd
    glued it to a thicker standard old fabric pad with an attached wrist
    rest - it was so obtrusive.
    Cut off the wrist rest, peeled the thin pad off the back and taped it
    down and all was good for another 5-6 years.

    I usually mouse with my wrist resting on the desk surface, and sliding
    it around with thumb and ring finger. The thicker pads really made that awkward.

    My current 'mousepad' is a 50-year old hand-made cutting board (you
    know, for slicing veggies and whatnot) I inherited from a relative.
    Since I already had a very nice cutting board in the kitchen, I had to
    find some use for this battered piece of wood (it's been in the family
    so long, and has hand-written notes on it from my uncle, who made the
    thing). Turns out, it's /just/ the right size to be used as a mousing >surface. And I'm sure all those scrapes and knife-cuts make it a lot
    easier for the mouse to 'see' where it's going. ;-P

    That sounds a lot thicker than I would like to use

    Xocyll

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu May 30 09:03:35 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:

    2) ... A high-end gaming mouse; high-DPI and easily
    programmable so I can pwn the n00bs!

    4) ... A mouse. Click-click-click. Hey, look, it's even
    got a scroll-wheel! What else could a mouse have?

    I guess mine is kinda between these two? Roccat Kone Pure SEL is a
    gaming mouse but I don't think it's high-end. The RGB is just a logo on
    the mouse and was turned off long ago. DPI is good enough, it's
    adjustable but I don't think I run it at the highest setting.

    Two buttons, wheel (which is also a button), two side buttons. DPI
    adjustment buttons too. Not really programmable since the SEL in the
    name means it's a cost reduced version of Roccat Kone Pure.

    Oh yes, I've had it for some years, I think I wrote much the same thing
    in a previous mouse poll already.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu May 30 08:37:39 2024
    On 29/05/2024 15:08, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Wed, 29 May 2024 03:50:49 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:


    Frankly mousepad is if anything more important.

    Shhhh! Don't give away next week's CRAP Poll! ;-)


    Maybe it's just me -or the average mice I use- but I've never really seen/felt much advantage from mouse pads. Or rather, not from a mouse
    pad over an average surface (there are times when a mouse pad is
    absolutely necessary because the table you're on is just so shitty
    that the mouse can't pick up anything, but in that case a piece of
    paper would work just as well).

    My current 'mousepad' is a 50-year old hand-made cutting board (you
    know, for slicing veggies and whatnot) I inherited from a relative.
    Since I already had a very nice cutting board in the kitchen, I had to
    find some use for this battered piece of wood (it's been in the family
    so long, and has hand-written notes on it from my uncle, who made the
    thing). Turns out, it's /just/ the right size to be used as a mousing surface. And I'm sure all those scrapes and knife-cuts make it a lot
    easier for the mouse to 'see' where it's going. ;-P


    I prefer a mouse mat for two main reasons. The first is that it dampens
    the noise of using the desktop directly and the real big one, I find
    having a wrist pad just more comfortable in use.

    As you say though the days when you really needed one are long gone so I
    wonder how many people use them just out of habit.

    If you have more money than sense you could always get one of these full
    sized LED one for several hundred pounds. Who on earth buys this stuff?

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  • From Steven Thomsen-Jones@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu May 30 14:10:07 2024
    On 5/28/24 22:35, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    So describe your mouse? Do you let your hand wallow in luxury with the highest-end pointing device available, or tempt carpal tunnel with
    something that only vaguely resembles a mouse? The compilers of CRAP
    poll data need a response!




    3. It's a Nordic Gaming Mouse, usual number of buttons for a non-bottom
    of the line mouse, plus an extra one for swapping DPI modes. And I back
    that is a sort of mesh to keep the palm less sweaty in the summer months.
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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to Ant on Thu May 30 09:00:47 2024
    On Wed, 29 May 2024 23:10:42 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 18:53 this Wednesday (GMT):
    #4 -- Optical simple mouses (2 buttons + 1 scrollwheel) with PS/2 and
    #USB connections. PS/2 because I still use my OmnniCube KVM from Y2K!

    What's an omnicube?

    https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Omnicube-Kybrd-Mouse-Switch/dp/B00004Z7Y7

    KVM = Keyboard, Video, and Mouse. Yes, it's old and I still use old stuff.

    I have an OmniView KVM switcher. I used it right up to when I started
    using DosBox. At that point, I no longer needed the DOS computer or
    the KVM switcher.

    I like yours better as it is more compact.

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  • From Steven Thomsen-Jones@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 30 14:22:18 2024
    On 5/29/24 23:40, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 15:08 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On 5/28/2024 1:35 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    I've been late with this month's Completely Random And Pointless Poll.
    So I won't take too long on the intro for this one. This time, let's
    focus on your mouse. You know, that wiggly lil' plastic gadget beneath
    your hand. Let's describe it!

    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:


    As an additional question, wired or wireless?

    I have an aversion to wireless as you have to have batteries which
    increase the weight, and the inconvenience of the mouse working
    intermittently when they get low until you replace them. Or having a
    rechargeable mouse where it doesn't work until it's charged a bit
    possibly, and having the recharging port wear out. It's been a long
    time since I used a wireless mouse.

    Yeah, it is annoying. However, on the go it is nice to not deal with a
    cable. For home/workstation setups, it is objectively worse IMO.

    Agreed, currently using a wired on my workstation. On the laptop I just
    use the trackpad, but then the only game I play on a laptop is Dwarf
    Fortress, and then I go KB only. There are those newer cordless mouses*
    that charge via NFC or something like it via a pad, so I MIGHT look into
    that next time I need a new one.

    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is
    'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure
    anyone cares about that though :D

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 30 08:02:04 2024
    On 5/29/2024 2:45 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    rms <rsquiresMOO@MOOflashMOO.net> wrote at 13:12 this Wednesday (GMT):
    CoolerMaster MM520, with a MM720 waiting. These are successors to, >>>> with
    better sensors but inferior ergonomics, to the classic fingertip mouse >>>> Spawn
    https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/legacy-products/peripheral/spawn/#! >>>
    Wow, that is fancy.

    Few buttons, but wide & stubby, like my women!

    rms


    Not gonna question that
    Not gonna even think about that. (Which is exactly what he wants.)

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu May 30 08:10:12 2024
    On 5/30/2024 7:26 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    What gets me is that nowadays -with mousepads becoming increasingly irrelevant- they're FINALLY making mouse-pads bigger than the usual
    20cm x 20cm squares. What I'd have given for a large mouse-pad back in
    the day (in fact, back then I used a green cutting mat (45x60cm) just
    because it gave me so much space to wrangle the rodent. Now you can
    get proper mousepads that size fairly easily. Where was this
    innovation back in the 90s? ;-P

    THIS is why I've never used mouse pads. Set the mouse so you don't have
    to pick up the mouse and move it back so you can continue moving the
    cursor in the same direction and it isn't precise enough to actually
    place the cursor ON a virtual button or point. Set it so you can
    actually "press" on the required spot and you are doing a 3D loop with
    your wrist the move the cursor TO that spot. And that was with a single monitor!

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 30 08:16:07 2024
    On 5/29/2024 2:40 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 18:53 this Wednesday (GMT):
    #4 -- Optical simple mouses (2 buttons + 1 scrollwheel) with PS/2 and
    #USB connections. PS/2 because I still use my OmnniCube KVM from Y2K!


    What's an omnicube?

    A bigger, more powerful Borg Cube.

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 30 14:23:11 2024
    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> looked up from
    reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good,
    the signs say:

    <snip>
    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is
    'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure >anyone cares about that though :D

    Next up, someone will insist it's really Mousii.

    Xocyll

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 30 14:22:09 2024
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    <snip>
    If you have more money than sense you could always get one of these full >sized LED one for several hundred pounds. Who on earth buys this stuff?

    The gaming equivalent of the audiophule who buys molecularly aligned
    solid gold speaker cables.

    Xocyll

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Thu May 30 19:30:28 2024
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 5/29/2024 2:40 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 18:53 this Wednesday (GMT):
    #4 -- Optical simple mouses (2 buttons + 1 scrollwheel) with PS/2 and
    #USB connections. PS/2 because I still use my OmnniCube KVM from Y2K!

    What's an omnicube?

    A bigger, more powerful Borg Cube.

    http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/pictures/BorgAnt.jpg -- We are ANTZ. We will assimilate you. Resistance is futile." ;)
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Mike S. on Thu May 30 19:22:05 2024
    Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 29 May 2024 23:10:42 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 18:53 this Wednesday (GMT):
    #4 -- Optical simple mouses (2 buttons + 1 scrollwheel) with PS/2 and
    #USB connections. PS/2 because I still use my OmnniCube KVM from Y2K!

    What's an omnicube?

    https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Omnicube-Kybrd-Mouse-Switch/dp/B00004Z7Y7

    KVM = Keyboard, Video, and Mouse. Yes, it's old and I still use old stuff.

    I have an OmniView KVM switcher. I used it right up to when I started
    using DosBox. At that point, I no longer needed the DOS computer or
    the KVM switcher.

    I like yours better as it is more compact.

    Yeah, small is good if you have two PCs. :) I am surprised it still
    works too! I noticed the newer ones with HDMI, USB, etc. cost more
    though. :(

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Ant on Thu May 30 21:05:03 2024
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 19:30 this Thursday (GMT):
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 5/29/2024 2:40 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 18:53 this Wednesday (GMT):
    #4 -- Optical simple mouses (2 buttons + 1 scrollwheel) with PS/2 and
    #USB connections. PS/2 because I still use my OmnniCube KVM from Y2K!

    What's an omnicube?

    A bigger, more powerful Borg Cube.

    http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/pictures/BorgAnt.jpg -- We are ANTZ. We will assimilate you. Resistance is futile." ;)


    woah spoopy
    but do you have asimovs laws
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Thu May 30 21:05:05 2024
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 15:02 this Thursday (GMT):
    On 5/29/2024 2:40 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 14:08 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On Wed, 29 May 2024 03:50:49 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:


    Frankly mousepad is if anything more important.

    Shhhh! Don't give away next week's CRAP Poll! ;-)


    Maybe it's just me -or the average mice I use- but I've never really
    seen/felt much advantage from mouse pads. Or rather, not from a mouse
    pad over an average surface (there are times when a mouse pad is
    absolutely necessary because the table you're on is just so shitty
    that the mouse can't pick up anything, but in that case a piece of
    paper would work just as well).

    My current 'mousepad' is a 50-year old hand-made cutting board (you
    know, for slicing veggies and whatnot) I inherited from a relative.
    Since I already had a very nice cutting board in the kitchen, I had to
    find some use for this battered piece of wood (it's been in the family
    so long, and has hand-written notes on it from my uncle, who made the
    thing). Turns out, it's /just/ the right size to be used as a mousing
    surface. And I'm sure all those scrapes and knife-cuts make it a lot
    easier for the mouse to 'see' where it's going. ;-P


    I have a skyrim themed one my brother gave me.. It's a full-desk one.

    You mean your brother gave you a Skyrim themed desk.


    Nah, it doesnt actually cover my desk. It covers a good distance though.
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Steven Thomsen-Jones on Thu May 30 21:05:05 2024
    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> wrote at 12:22 this Thursday (GMT):
    On 5/29/24 23:40, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 15:08 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On 5/28/2024 1:35 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    I've been late with this month's Completely Random And Pointless Poll. >>>> So I won't take too long on the intro for this one. This time, let's
    focus on your mouse. You know, that wiggly lil' plastic gadget beneath >>>> your hand. Let's describe it!

    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:


    As an additional question, wired or wireless?

    I have an aversion to wireless as you have to have batteries which
    increase the weight, and the inconvenience of the mouse working
    intermittently when they get low until you replace them. Or having a
    rechargeable mouse where it doesn't work until it's charged a bit
    possibly, and having the recharging port wear out. It's been a long
    time since I used a wireless mouse.

    Yeah, it is annoying. However, on the go it is nice to not deal with a
    cable. For home/workstation setups, it is objectively worse IMO.

    Agreed, currently using a wired on my workstation. On the laptop I just
    use the trackpad, but then the only game I play on a laptop is Dwarf Fortress, and then I go KB only. There are those newer cordless mouses*

    Original or Steam?

    that charge via NFC or something like it via a pad, so I MIGHT look into
    that next time I need a new one.

    Seems neat, but probably obscenely expensive.

    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is
    'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure anyone cares about that though :D


    Eh, I just say mice. It's easier.
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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Zaghadka on Thu May 30 14:19:44 2024
    On 5/29/2024 8:19 AM, Zaghadka wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 16:35:30 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:


    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:

    3) ... A high-end regular mouse; more than the usual 3-buttons
    and perhaps an above-average DPI. I'm a good office worker!


    Logitech M510. Normal buttons and wheel + 2 side buttons, programmable by running executable.

    Under normal circumstances, the bottom side button throws the window onto
    the other screen, and the top side button changes the pointer speed to
    super slow for precision mousing.

    In games, it's a real plus and not too hard to remember what each button does.

    In BG3, the top side button is enter rounds, and the bottom side button
    is group hide. In overload, afterburners and flashlight, etc.

    I think if I had more buttons it would become pretty useless, because I'd
    be fumbling for the right button.

    I didn't know nor care what the DPI is. Most DPIs are "good enough" these days, but I looked it up and it's 1,000. Good enough for my skill level
    in an FPS. Not pro-gamer level.


    Apparently mines goes up to 25,600 DPI. I think it defaulted to 1600,
    but I lowered it to 1200, and now 800 as it just flies around at the
    higher DPI.

    I think I had it default to 1300 in Dark souls III as I needed the
    quicker movement to deal with the crap camera. I can't be sure as I
    ended with 3 Dark Souls III profiles somehow, one set to 2400, one to
    1300 and one to 1200.

    It also updates 1000 times a second.

    It is nice to set it just how I want in that regard, but having had it
    awhile I wouldn't buy a mouse with that much maximum sensitivity, I'm
    sure 1200 DPI would be fine.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to candycanearter07@candycanearter07.n on Fri May 31 04:41:24 2024
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 19:30 this Thursday (GMT):
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 5/29/2024 2:40 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 18:53 this Wednesday (GMT):
    #4 -- Optical simple mouses (2 buttons + 1 scrollwheel) with PS/2 and >> >> #USB connections. PS/2 because I still use my OmnniCube KVM from Y2K! >> >
    What's an omnicube?

    A bigger, more powerful Borg Cube.

    http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/pictures/BorgAnt.jpg -- We are ANTZ. We will assimilate you. Resistance is futile." ;)

    woah spoopy
    but do you have asimovs laws

    Nope.
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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 10:02:06 2024
    On 30/05/2024 22:05, candycanearter07 wrote:
    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is
    'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure
    anyone cares about that though :D

    Eh, I just say mice. It's easier.

    Same here, I've never heard the plural of mouse been mouses in the
    context of computers.

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  • From LucLan@21:1/5 to Mike S. on Fri May 31 09:46:00 2024
    Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 29 May 2024 23:10:42 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 18:53 this Wednesday (GMT):
    #4 -- Optical simple mouses (2 buttons + 1 scrollwheel) with PS/2 and
    #USB connections. PS/2 because I still use my OmnniCube KVM from Y2K!

    What's an omnicube?

    https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Omnicube-Kybrd-Mouse-Switch/dp/B00004Z7Y7

    KVM = Keyboard, Video, and Mouse. Yes, it's old and I still use old stuff.

    I have an OmniView KVM switcher. I used it right up to when I started
    using DosBox. At that point, I no longer needed the DOS computer or
    the KVM switcher.

    I like yours better as it is more compact.

    What config had/have the DOS computer?
    I am asking because I use also a P2 @ 350 mhz just for DOS games.

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  • From LucLan@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri May 31 09:35:22 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    I've been late with this month's Completely Random And Pointless Poll.
    So I won't take too long on the intro for this one. This time, let's
    focus on your mouse. You know, that wiggly lil' plastic gadget beneath
    your hand. Let's describe it!

    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:

    1) ...Top of the line! It has more buttons than my keyboard!
    It has so many LEDs I need a special permit so airplanes
    don't mistake it for landing lights. It's DPI is measured
    in fentometers. It's more programmable than my primary PC.
    If I can't do it with my mouse, it can't be done by any
    mouse.

    2) ... A high-end gaming mouse; high-DPI and easily
    programmable so I can pwn the n00bs!

    3) ... A high-end regular mouse; more than the usual 3-buttons
    and perhaps an above-average DPI. I'm a good office worker!

    4) ... A mouse. Click-click-click. Hey, look, it's even
    got a scroll-wheel! What else could a mouse have?

    5) ... The cheapest piece of plastic tat available, but
    it gets the job done (barely).

    6) ... An Apple mouse: stylish but horrid to use

    7) ... Still got a ball!

    8) ... A trackpad, because I hate myself.

    9) ... A trackball! (or some alternate pointing device,
    like the Thinkpad's mouse nub)

    10) ... A keyboard, because real users stick with the
    command line

    11) ... What's a mouse? I move the cursor by inputting the
    coordinate deltas manually!



    Myself, I fall firmly into category 3, with my stylish and comfortable Logitech mouse. Six buttons, although I almost never use any but the
    main two. (well, more accurately -given my habit of collecting useless electronics- I have a multitude which spans almost the entire list.
    But my primary mouse -the one I most often use- is as boring as
    described above).


    So describe your mouse? Do you let your hand wallow in luxury with the highest-end pointing device available, or tempt carpal tunnel with
    something that only vaguely resembles a mouse? The compilers of CRAP
    poll data need a response!



    And my mouse is a 4.
    I use a wireless kit (keyboard and mouse) from Logitech (nothing fancy).

    Good day to all of you.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Xocyll on Fri May 31 10:20:25 2024
    On 30/05/2024 19:22, Xocyll wrote:
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    <snip>
    If you have more money than sense you could always get one of these full
    sized LED one for several hundred pounds. Who on earth buys this stuff?

    The gaming equivalent of the audiophule who buys molecularly aligned
    solid gold speaker cables.


    I used to be into hifi and yes some of what you could buy definitely
    seemed in the 'saw you coming sir' category. I do remember seeing
    adverts that claimed cables that were 'molecularly aligned' and only
    worked properly in one direction. Then you had the really expensive
    'digital' cables'. It's a bit of wire and one of the advantages of
    digital over analogy is that are way less susceptible to signal degradation.

    That's not to say there isn't a difference between getting the cheapest
    cables you could buy and spending a little more money but there where
    companies that were just taking the pee in what they were flogging. It's
    like a lot of things, there's a sweet spot before rapidly diminishing
    returns kicks in.

    The other thing I realised is there's a big difference between listening
    to something in a shop with a dedicated room and, well sitting in your
    lounge at home where the acoustics are less than optimal.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Xocyll on Fri May 31 10:26:04 2024
    On 29/05/2024 08:52, Xocyll wrote:
    Never heard it called a mat before, always a mouse pad here in Canada.

    I did check and it seems to be another British vs American English.

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri May 31 13:26:33 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:

    Maybe it's just me -or the average mice I use- but I've never really seen/felt much advantage from mouse pads. Or rather, not from a mouse
    pad over an average surface (there are times when a mouse pad is
    absolutely necessary because the table you're on is just so shitty
    that the mouse can't pick up anything, but in that case a piece of
    paper would work just as well).

    :) Last decade the stock mice from Dell and Lenovo couldn't cope with
    this rare and exotic desk material called "wood". As for paper, it tends
    to move or the edges get crinkled. Replacements are certainly cheap for
    paper though.

    Anyways, slick plastic or wood desktop surfaces feel somehow too
    slippery to me. And there's that annoying hissing noise to consider
    too. Or maybe I'm just used to having something under the mouse.

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  • From Steven Thomsen-Jones@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 12:34:28 2024
    On 5/30/24 23:05, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> wrote at 12:22 this Thursday (GMT):

    Agreed, currently using a wired on my workstation. On the laptop I just
    use the trackpad, but then the only game I play on a laptop is Dwarf
    Fortress, and then I go KB only. There are those newer cordless mouses*

    Original or Steam?


    Original, and version 47.05 as even the none Steam 50.xx versions
    REQUIRE a mouse to play which is a real shame.


    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is
    'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure
    anyone cares about that though :D


    Eh, I just say mice. It's easier.

    It is! :D

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri May 31 09:28:20 2024
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 04:41:08 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    It's useful if you have more than one PCs and just want to use one
    keyboard, video, and mouse with them. ;) I discovered and fell in love
    with KVMs back in the late 90s at work.

    Yeah, that is what they are for and what I used them for. I would
    still be using a KVM switcher myself if DosBox weren't around.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 09:26:31 2024
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 09:46:00 -0000 (UTC), address@is.invalid (LucLan)
    wrote:

    What config had/have the DOS computer?
    I am asking because I use also a P2 @ 350 mhz just for DOS games.

    Do you mean what CPU \ video card and all that? I honestly don't
    remember. I have not used a DOS computer in years. Very likely a
    Pentium class CPU and maybe a Riva TNT but I am really not sure.

    The only thing I do remember is the sound cards I had in there. A
    SoundBlaster 16 and a Roland SCC-1.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 07:51:59 2024
    On 5/30/2024 2:05 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 15:02 this Thursday (GMT):
    On 5/29/2024 2:40 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 14:08 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On Wed, 29 May 2024 03:50:49 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:


    Frankly mousepad is if anything more important.

    Shhhh! Don't give away next week's CRAP Poll! ;-)


    Maybe it's just me -or the average mice I use- but I've never really
    seen/felt much advantage from mouse pads. Or rather, not from a mouse
    pad over an average surface (there are times when a mouse pad is
    absolutely necessary because the table you're on is just so shitty
    that the mouse can't pick up anything, but in that case a piece of
    paper would work just as well).

    My current 'mousepad' is a 50-year old hand-made cutting board (you
    know, for slicing veggies and whatnot) I inherited from a relative.
    Since I already had a very nice cutting board in the kitchen, I had to >>>> find some use for this battered piece of wood (it's been in the family >>>> so long, and has hand-written notes on it from my uncle, who made the
    thing). Turns out, it's /just/ the right size to be used as a mousing
    surface. And I'm sure all those scrapes and knife-cuts make it a lot
    easier for the mouse to 'see' where it's going. ;-P


    I have a skyrim themed one my brother gave me.. It's a full-desk one.

    You mean your brother gave you a Skyrim themed desk.


    Nah, it doesnt actually cover my desk. It covers a good distance though.

    Then its not a full desk "one".

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Xocyll on Fri May 31 07:53:51 2024
    On 5/30/2024 11:23 AM, Xocyll wrote:
    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good,
    the signs say:

    <snip>
    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is
    'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure
    anyone cares about that though :D

    Next up, someone will insist it's really Mousii.

    Sounds like something the French would do.

    --
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    dirty old man.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 09:32:48 2024
    On 5/30/2024 2:05 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> wrote at 12:22 this Thursday (GMT):
    On 5/29/24 23:40, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 15:08 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On 5/28/2024 1:35 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    I've been late with this month's Completely Random And Pointless Poll. >>>>> So I won't take too long on the intro for this one. This time, let's >>>>> focus on your mouse. You know, that wiggly lil' plastic gadget beneath >>>>> your hand. Let's describe it!

    Please answer the following question. My mouse is:


    As an additional question, wired or wireless?

    I have an aversion to wireless as you have to have batteries which
    increase the weight, and the inconvenience of the mouse working
    intermittently when they get low until you replace them. Or having a
    rechargeable mouse where it doesn't work until it's charged a bit
    possibly, and having the recharging port wear out. It's been a long
    time since I used a wireless mouse.

    Yeah, it is annoying. However, on the go it is nice to not deal with a
    cable. For home/workstation setups, it is objectively worse IMO.

    Agreed, currently using a wired on my workstation. On the laptop I just
    use the trackpad, but then the only game I play on a laptop is Dwarf
    Fortress, and then I go KB only. There are those newer cordless mouses*

    Original or Steam?

    that charge via NFC or something like it via a pad, so I MIGHT look into
    that next time I need a new one.

    Seems neat, but probably obscenely expensive.

    Logitech solution wireless gaming mouse that can be charged wirelessly
    minimum about $70 (not bad for that) and logitech charging pad for it
    $100. You can get a cheaper pad with a charging area for about $40, but
    you have to remember to put the mouse on the charging area when not in
    use - bonus that you can put your phone on that area and it will charge.
    Note this is all speculation based on what I'm reading, I haven't
    tested it, and I'm not one to trust such until I've tested it.

    I'm not anwhwere near the point I'd do that just to get rid of the wire,
    but I might consider it if my mouse ever fails.

    On the other hand, weight of the mouse with the batteries in it is a
    concern. For some reason one of my previous mice that failed quickly
    had a bunch of removable weights in it, and it quickly fatigued me until
    I removed the weights.

    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is
    'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure
    anyone cares about that though :D


    Eh, I just say mice. It's easier.

    Same.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri May 31 16:40:03 2024
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 04:41 this Friday (GMT):
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 23:10 this Wednesday (GMT):
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >> >> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 18:53 this Wednesday (GMT):
    #4 -- Optical simple mouses (2 buttons + 1 scrollwheel) with PS/2 and >> >> > #USB connections. PS/2 because I still use my OmnniCube KVM from Y2K! >> >
    What's an omnicube?

    https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Omnicube-Kybrd-Mouse-Switch/dp/B00004Z7Y7

    KVM = Keyboard, Video, and Mouse. Yes, it's old and I still use old stuff.

    Nifty, I've not really seen one before.

    It's useful if you have more than one PCs and just want to use one
    keyboard, video, and mouse with them. ;) I discovered and fell in love
    with KVMs back in the late 90s at work.


    I don't use multiple pcs at once but if I do I'll keep it in mind.
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Fri May 31 16:40:04 2024
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 14:51 this Friday (GMT):
    On 5/30/2024 2:05 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 15:02 this Thursday (GMT): >>> On 5/29/2024 2:40 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 14:08 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On Wed, 29 May 2024 03:50:49 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:


    Frankly mousepad is if anything more important.

    Shhhh! Don't give away next week's CRAP Poll! ;-)


    Maybe it's just me -or the average mice I use- but I've never really >>>>> seen/felt much advantage from mouse pads. Or rather, not from a mouse >>>>> pad over an average surface (there are times when a mouse pad is
    absolutely necessary because the table you're on is just so shitty
    that the mouse can't pick up anything, but in that case a piece of
    paper would work just as well).

    My current 'mousepad' is a 50-year old hand-made cutting board (you
    know, for slicing veggies and whatnot) I inherited from a relative.
    Since I already had a very nice cutting board in the kitchen, I had to >>>>> find some use for this battered piece of wood (it's been in the family >>>>> so long, and has hand-written notes on it from my uncle, who made the >>>>> thing). Turns out, it's /just/ the right size to be used as a mousing >>>>> surface. And I'm sure all those scrapes and knife-cuts make it a lot >>>>> easier for the mouse to 'see' where it's going. ;-P


    I have a skyrim themed one my brother gave me.. It's a full-desk one.

    You mean your brother gave you a Skyrim themed desk.


    Nah, it doesnt actually cover my desk. It covers a good distance though.

    Then its not a full desk "one".


    Well, I'd assume it would cover a smaller desk..
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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Anssi Saari on Fri May 31 09:18:42 2024
    On 5/31/2024 3:26 AM, Anssi Saari wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:

    Maybe it's just me -or the average mice I use- but I've never really
    seen/felt much advantage from mouse pads. Or rather, not from a mouse
    pad over an average surface (there are times when a mouse pad is
    absolutely necessary because the table you're on is just so shitty
    that the mouse can't pick up anything, but in that case a piece of
    paper would work just as well).

    :) Last decade the stock mice from Dell and Lenovo couldn't cope with
    this rare and exotic desk material called "wood". As for paper, it tends
    to move or the edges get crinkled. Replacements are certainly cheap for
    paper though.

    Anyways, slick plastic or wood desktop surfaces feel somehow too
    slippery to me. And there's that annoying hissing noise to consider
    too. Or maybe I'm just used to having something under the mouse.

    Same. My desk is old, no I mean *old* like from the 60's, inherited
    from my Grandfather and has a 2" raised lip around the edge with a 1/8"
    recess between it and the rest of the desk which makes not having a mat
    really not work well for a mouse as it skips and bumps when going over
    that part. I love the desk as it has real drawers! which seems to be a
    rarity these days. My wife occasionally asks me to replace it as it's
    well worn and used. I occasionally consider a sit-stand adjustable
    desk, but that's a big expense.

    I have a large "steelseries" black fabric topped rubber mat, with a
    harder plastic one underneath it to make the transition more of a slope
    than a bump, and that works well for me.

    I don't like the textured plastic ones as the mouse slips a bit too
    much, and seems like they were originally made for a ball mice, some
    also don't seem like the optical mice can pick up the laser well and
    skip or don't move. They're also louder moving the mouse around.
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Steven Thomsen-Jones on Fri May 31 16:40:06 2024
    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> wrote at 10:34 this Friday (GMT):
    On 5/30/24 23:05, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> wrote at 12:22 this Thursday (GMT):

    Agreed, currently using a wired on my workstation. On the laptop I just
    use the trackpad, but then the only game I play on a laptop is Dwarf
    Fortress, and then I go KB only. There are those newer cordless mouses*

    Original or Steam?


    Original, and version 47.05 as even the none Steam 50.xx versions
    REQUIRE a mouse to play which is a real shame.

    Wow, you must be really dedicated ^^

    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is
    'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure
    anyone cares about that though :D


    Eh, I just say mice. It's easier.

    It is! :D


    It is :D
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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 14:42:03 2024
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
    entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On 5/30/2024 11:23 AM, Xocyll wrote:
    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> looked up from
    reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good,
    the signs say:

    <snip>
    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is
    'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure
    anyone cares about that though :D

    Next up, someone will insist it's really Mousii.

    Sounds like something the French would do.

    It was a ref to the endless Viruses vs Virii debate.

    So actually the Latin-is-God types not the French.

    Xocyll

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 14:38:52 2024
    Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> looked up from reading
    the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the
    signs say:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:

    Maybe it's just me -or the average mice I use- but I've never really
    seen/felt much advantage from mouse pads. Or rather, not from a mouse
    pad over an average surface (there are times when a mouse pad is
    absolutely necessary because the table you're on is just so shitty
    that the mouse can't pick up anything, but in that case a piece of
    paper would work just as well).

    :) Last decade the stock mice from Dell and Lenovo couldn't cope with
    this rare and exotic desk material called "wood". As for paper, it tends
    to move or the edges get crinkled. Replacements are certainly cheap for
    paper though.

    It doesn't move or crinkle if you tape it down.

    Of course when you forget and put your coffee mug on it and it gets wet
    and tears and then you have to peel up all the tape too.

    I think this is the one I have, albeit plain black https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/Razer-Sphex-V2-Mini-Gaming-Mouse-Mat/6000197966816

    Super thin, kind of plastic so no rips or issues if it gets wet, I just
    taped the closest edge by the edge of the desk and it does not shift at
    all.
    It's actually kind of slippery all on it's own, so when the little mouse
    feet wear off I think it'll still be effortless.

    Best of all for a Razer product it does not require an internet
    connection or special drivers to function, nor does it require
    registration or activation.

    Xocyll

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 14:29:39 2024
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On 29/05/2024 08:52, Xocyll wrote:
    Never heard it called a mat before, always a mouse pad here in Canada.

    I did check and it seems to be another British vs American English.

    Canada usually follows British rules though.

    Xocyll

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri May 31 15:13:34 2024
    On 5/31/2024 1:57 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Thu, 30 May 2024 14:23:11 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:

    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> looked up from
    reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good,
    the signs say:

    <snip>
    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is
    'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure
    anyone cares about that though :D

    Next up, someone will insist it's really Mousii.

    I always call them 'mooses'. One mouse, many mooses. No, it doesnt'
    really make much sense. But I'm odd that way. ;-)

    A moose once bit my sister.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Xocyll on Fri May 31 17:55:28 2024
    On 5/31/2024 11:42 AM, Xocyll wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
    entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On 5/30/2024 11:23 AM, Xocyll wrote:
    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> looked up from
    reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good,
    the signs say:

    <snip>
    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is
    'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure >>>> anyone cares about that though :D

    Next up, someone will insist it's really Mousii.

    Sounds like something the French would do.

    It was a ref to the endless Viruses vs Virii debate.

    So actually the Latin-is-God types not the French.

    French is a debased derivative of Latin that thinks it is as good as the original.

    So I'm sticking with "sounds like the French". :)

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri May 31 17:55:59 2024
    On 5/31/2024 1:57 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Thu, 30 May 2024 14:23:11 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:

    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> looked up from
    reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good,
    the signs say:

    <snip>
    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is
    'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure
    anyone cares about that though :D

    Next up, someone will insist it's really Mousii.

    I always call them 'mooses'. One mouse, many mooses. No, it doesnt'
    really make much sense. But I'm odd that way. ;-)

    But not the only way.

    --
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Mike S. on Sat Jun 1 05:48:11 2024
    Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 09:46:00 -0000 (UTC), address@is.invalid (LucLan)
    wrote:

    What config had/have the DOS computer?
    I am asking because I use also a P2 @ 350 mhz just for DOS games.

    Do you mean what CPU \ video card and all that? I honestly don't
    remember. I have not used a DOS computer in years. Very likely a
    Pentium class CPU and maybe a Riva TNT but I am really not sure.

    The only thing I do remember is the sound cards I had in there. A SoundBlaster 16 and a Roland SCC-1.

    I had a SB16 ISA with Creative's WaveBlaster daughter card. Ha!
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to candycanearter07@candycanearter07.n on Sat Jun 1 05:51:46 2024
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    ...
    #4 -- Optical simple mouses (2 buttons + 1 scrollwheel) with PS/2 and
    #USB connections. PS/2 because I still use my OmnniCube KVM from Y2K!

    What's an omnicube?

    A bigger, more powerful Borg Cube.

    http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/pictures/BorgAnt.jpg -- We are ANTZ. We will assimilate you. Resistance is futile." ;)

    woah spoopy
    but do you have asimovs laws

    Nope.

    we're doomed!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vSUV1nii5k
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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 1 02:09:59 2024
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
    entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On 5/31/2024 11:42 AM, Xocyll wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
    entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On 5/30/2024 11:23 AM, Xocyll wrote:
    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> looked up from >>>> reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, >>>> the signs say:

    <snip>
    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is
    'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure >>>>> anyone cares about that though :D

    Next up, someone will insist it's really Mousii.

    Sounds like something the French would do.

    It was a ref to the endless Viruses vs Virii debate.

    So actually the Latin-is-God types not the French.

    French is a debased derivative of Latin that thinks it is as good as the >original.

    So I'm sticking with "sounds like the French". :)

    But the Latin-is-God types generally are English speakers who don't even
    know Latin, (generally they know only the one language unless you count programming languages,) they just want to sound learned and pretentious.

    Xocyll

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Xocyll on Sat Jun 1 09:34:18 2024
    On 01/06/2024 07:09, Xocyll wrote:
    So I'm sticking with "sounds like the French". 🙂

    But the Latin-is-God types generally are English speakers who don't even
    know Latin, (generally they know only the one language unless you count programming languages,) they just want to sound learned and pretentious.

    I've spoken to a few of them. I don't care what the Latin origins are, I
    care what common usage is currently!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Xocyll on Sat Jun 1 09:23:53 2024
    On 31/05/2024 19:29, Xocyll wrote:
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On 29/05/2024 08:52, Xocyll wrote:
    Never heard it called a mat before, always a mouse pad here in Canada.

    I did check and it seems to be another British vs American English.

    Canada usually follows British rules though.


    Don't know Canadian English so not sure but I've always presumed that in
    terms of grammar and spelling it's more akin to British English but for
    actual terms used I also assumed (not sure why) it would have more in
    common with what's used in the US.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Jun 1 08:58:29 2024
    On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 05:48:11 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    I had a SB16 ISA with Creative's WaveBlaster daughter card. Ha!

    I remember the Waveblaster. If I didn't have the Roland card, I think
    I would have had that instead.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Jun 1 10:19:28 2024
    On 6/1/2024 1:23 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 31/05/2024 19:29, Xocyll wrote:
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
    spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On 29/05/2024 08:52, Xocyll wrote:
    Never heard it called a mat before, always a mouse pad here in Canada.

    I did check and it seems to be another British vs American English.

    Canada usually follows British rules though.


    Don't know Canadian English so not sure but I've always presumed that in terms of grammar and spelling it's more akin to British English but for actual terms used I also assumed (not sure why) it would have more in
    common with what's used in the US.

    Re: "why". Possibly because the US is the 800 pound gorilla sitting
    right next to Canada? ;)

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Jun 1 10:21:32 2024
    On 6/1/2024 1:34 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 01/06/2024 07:09, Xocyll wrote:
    So I'm sticking with "sounds like the French".  🙂

    But the Latin-is-God types generally are English speakers who don't even
    know Latin, (generally they know only the one language unless you count
    programming languages,) they just want to sound learned and pretentious.

    I've spoken to a few of them. I don't care what the Latin origins are, I
    care what common usage is currently!

    Well, there you go, being realistic and practical! How do you expect to
    get anywhere in life with that kind of an attitude?

    :P

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Mike S. on Sun Jun 2 06:54:53 2024
    Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 05:48:11 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    I had a SB16 ISA with Creative's WaveBlaster daughter card. Ha!

    I remember the Waveblaster. If I didn't have the Roland card, I think
    I would have had that instead.

    My detailed http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/toys.html says "...
    Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 (MultiCD; also got a separate Creative
    Wave Blaster II/2 to add on for it later on [unknown date] to improve
    MIDI music]..." So, I had its second model.
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sun Jun 2 06:53:32 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 08:58:29 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 05:48:11 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    I had a SB16 ISA with Creative's WaveBlaster daughter card. Ha!

    I remember the Waveblaster. If I didn't have the Roland card, I think
    I would have had that instead.

    I remember looking at the Waveblaster with some envy. Don't mistake
    me, I was quite happy with my Gravis Ultrasound, but it was undeniably falling behind the times, and compatibility issues were /always/ a
    problem. While I was confident at the time that the GUS was superiour technology -at least conceptually- it was getting harder to deny that
    the Waveblaster offered better sound.

    Really? I thought GUS had better audio than SB and its WB. I remember
    playing classic DOOM 1 with a college guy's GUS. OMG esp. MIDI in E1M8
    boss level. :O


    The only reason I never purchased one was that I never actually saw it
    sold in stores.

    But by the time I was seriously considering switching, MIDI was
    already on its way out, and MIDI 'softsynth' emulation was becoming increasingly good, with the major downside being its uselessness
    outside of the Windows environment. Over the years I purchased several
    MIDI emulation packages (at least one from Yamaha, and one from Roland
    that I recall), and they definitely sounded a lot better than my
    Gravis.

    Ultimately, even the Gravis became moot when TiMIDIty (a Gravis
    Ultrasound soft-synth) was developed. It's still pretty good when
    paired with 200MB patch-sets (although its limited effects mean it's definitely inferior to 'proper' soft-synths).

    Of course, these days the retro community is all about re-creating the
    rough, artificially sounds of FM synthesis. Who wants music that
    sounds like actual instruments when you can have something that
    recreates the beeps and boops of yesteryear? ;-)

    Do any of you still listen to MIDIs? I do once in a while: http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/files/music/music.html
    That includes MOD, S3M, XM, IT, 669, FAR, etc. ;)
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  • From Rin Stowleigh@21:1/5 to Ant on Sun Jun 2 10:18:20 2024
    On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 06:53:32 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 08:58:29 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 05:48:11 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    I had a SB16 ISA with Creative's WaveBlaster daughter card. Ha!

    I remember the Waveblaster. If I didn't have the Roland card, I think
    I would have had that instead.

    I remember looking at the Waveblaster with some envy. Don't mistake
    me, I was quite happy with my Gravis Ultrasound, but it was undeniably
    falling behind the times, and compatibility issues were /always/ a
    problem. While I was confident at the time that the GUS was superiour
    technology -at least conceptually- it was getting harder to deny that
    the Waveblaster offered better sound.

    Really? I thought GUS had better audio than SB and its WB. I remember
    playing classic DOOM 1 with a college guy's GUS. OMG esp. MIDI in E1M8
    boss level. :O


    The only reason I never purchased one was that I never actually saw it
    sold in stores.

    But by the time I was seriously considering switching, MIDI was
    already on its way out, and MIDI 'softsynth' emulation was becoming
    increasingly good, with the major downside being its uselessness
    outside of the Windows environment.

    I *think* you might be discussing some very specific gaming context
    around MIDI here?

    MIDI is still very much alive and well, almost to the point where it
    is a fundamental component of modern music production that involves
    any level of electronic instruments at all. These days, even more
    advanced pedals like delays and reverbs are equipped with MIDI ports
    so they can sync to clock.

    Softsynths (in the music world more commonly called VSTs these days
    due to the Steinberg format) are ubiquitous now (to the point that a
    lot of successful artists use them exclusively, as they are typically
    easier to work with from a workflow perspective than hardware synths),
    but there is nothing about them that's exclusive to MIDI. If a
    musician is playing a synth into the DAW, much of the time they are
    recording MIDI data... MIDI is just the data and timing of notes
    played, parameters tweaked, etc and is independent of the sound source
    that uses that data to play.


    Over the years I purchased several
    MIDI emulation packages (at least one from Yamaha, and one from Roland
    that I recall), and they definitely sounded a lot better than my
    Gravis.


    Ultimately, even the Gravis became moot when TiMIDIty (a Gravis
    Ultrasound soft-synth) was developed. It's still pretty good when
    paired with 200MB patch-sets (although its limited effects mean it's
    definitely inferior to 'proper' soft-synths).

    Of course, these days the retro community is all about re-creating the
    rough, artificially sounds of FM synthesis. Who wants music that
    sounds like actual instruments when you can have something that
    recreates the beeps and boops of yesteryear? ;-)

    FM synthesis, in itself really isn't about beeps and boops, it just
    sounded that way in some video game implementations. The Yamaha DX7
    was originally popular among musicians because it could do sounds like
    electric piano, and other bright sounds that sat well in a mix. Better
    yet, being digital it stayed in tune when on stage -- the analog
    synths that came before it were prone to drifting out of tune when the temperature fluctuated, so calibrating them to sound good in various
    stage environments was a challenge.

    The reason FM synths are still popular is because of that
    bright/punchy sound that's all over records from the 80's.. They are
    good at certain categories of sounds that were difficult to achieve
    any other way.

    FM synthesis in general is kind of a bitch to program... the DX7 was notoriously horrble about this. Korg has an interesting FM synth
    called the Opsix, which uses a combination of knobs and colors to make
    it somewhat easier to understand the carrier/modulation relationship
    between the operators. The Opsix does all of the same algorithms
    (which are basically operator routing combinations) that the DX7 did,
    yet I still think it sounds nothing like it.

    The best software-based clone of the DX7 I have found is OPS7 by
    Plogue. The developer is really talented, and figured out that the
    unique sound of the DX7 was not just in the synth engine but also in
    the DAC, so he emulated that as well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDlqXe0M2as&ab_channel=PlogueArtetTechnologie%2CInc.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sun Jun 2 19:10:05 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 20:57 this Friday (GMT):
    On Thu, 30 May 2024 14:23:11 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:

    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> looked up from >>reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good,
    the signs say:

    <snip>
    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is >>>'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure >>>anyone cares about that though :D

    Next up, someone will insist it's really Mousii.

    I always call them 'mooses'. One mouse, many mooses. No, it doesnt'
    really make much sense. But I'm odd that way. ;-)


    Neat. I don't think I've ever seen a moose before.
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Sun Jun 2 19:10:06 2024
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 00:55 this Saturday (GMT):
    On 5/31/2024 1:57 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Thu, 30 May 2024 14:23:11 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:

    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> looked up from
    reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good,
    the signs say:

    <snip>
    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is
    'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure >>>> anyone cares about that though :D

    Next up, someone will insist it's really Mousii.

    I always call them 'mooses'. One mouse, many mooses. No, it doesnt'
    really make much sense. But I'm odd that way. ;-)

    But not the only way.


    What?
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sun Jun 2 21:32:22 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    Do any of you still listen to MIDIs? I do once in a while: http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/files/music/music.html
    That includes MOD, S3M, XM, IT, 669, FAR, etc. ;)

    On occassion, yes. I /love/ Michael "Keyboard Wizard" Walthius'
    creations. There are some really good Sierra Online video-game
    soundtracks too (the latter sound better on the Roland, of course).

    I more often listen to tracker music (MOD, S3M, etc) these days,
    although even there I tend to cheat (the ones I like the most got
    transcribed to MP3 and tossed in the mix with all my other music). But
    I still make semi-frequent visits to the MOD archive to discover new
    stuff. Then I just fire up ModPlug, drag a bunch of files over to it,
    and bippity-bop my way through whatever daily task I have to finish
    ;-)

    ModPlug Player is awesome.


    Keyboard Wizard
    https://www.audiosparx.com/keyboardwizard

    Sierra Online MIDI soundtracks https://www.midimusicadventures.com/queststudios/midi-soundtracks/complete-soundtracks/

    MOD Archive
    https://modarchive.org/

    MODPlug Player
    https://www.modplug.com/

    Question: What's the best MIDI SoftSynth to use?
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sun Jun 2 21:49:50 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    Nonetheless, I'd have happily nabbed a WaveBlaster had I ever come
    across one. I doubt it would have actually REPLACED my beloved Gravis
    -if only because, in an era of 386 and 486 CPUs, every cycle offloaded
    to the Gravis to process audio meant smoother gameplay- but I'd have
    been quite happy with it. Especially the later revision of the Wave
    Blaster.

    TL;DR: anybody wanna donate a Wave Blaster to my collection? ;-)

    Darn. I would have given you mine but I got rid of that uhhhhhhhhhh
    whenever I got rid of my SB16 ISA! :P Does anyone have a working time
    machine? ;)

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Mon Jun 3 14:50:06 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 13:48 this Monday (GMT):
    On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 19:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
    <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 20:57 this Friday (GMT):
    On Thu, 30 May 2024 14:23:11 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:

    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> looked up from >>>>reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, >>>>the signs say:

    <snip>
    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is >>>>>'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure >>>>>anyone cares about that though :D

    Next up, someone will insist it's really Mousii.

    I always call them 'mooses'. One mouse, many mooses. No, it doesnt'
    really make much sense. But I'm odd that way. ;-)


    Neat. I don't think I've ever seen a moose before.

    We're getting a bit far afield from the topic (but what the hell, how
    much can you actually talk about computing pointing devices anyway?
    ;-) but moose are really a sight to see. Typically the word 'majestic'
    is used in regard to elk, but I don't think it really applies. They
    gawky, ungainly, and sort of silly looking animals. But damn, if they
    aren't BIG! Not so much in terms of mass but, rather, it's surprising
    how tall they are. They aren't, actually, much taller than people but
    they have such long, skinny legs that a lot of their body is held up
    much higher above the ground than other, similar ungulants like deer
    or horses. It makes them FEEL much larger and taller than they really
    are.

    In my (admittedly limited) experience, they're also incredibly shy
    creatures which, given their size, feels weird and uncharacteristic.
    You'd think a creature that big would be more aggressive and less self-effacing! That behavior, combined with their long faces and
    almost rabbit-like ears, is why they seem so amusing in nature. Still,
    I wouldn't want to be on the bad side of one of those critters.

    But beyond that first impression, moose aren't really that
    interesting. They're essentially deer, except without the fun flighty
    nature. They move ponderously (although they can get up to a
    not-insignicant speed eventually, and all that mass moving at thirty
    kmh isn't anything to laugh at. They'll wreck your car if you hit
    one... or they hit you!).

    But seeing one come out of the woods on a foggy morn... that stays
    with you. It's sort of like seeing Bigfoot; a preposperous shape that
    you aren't sure is real, that disappears in an instant if you try to
    get near it.

    Very weird animals all around, and quite memorable.

    Wow, I hope I can see one someday!

    We now return you to the scheduled discussion about computer mice. I
    think they're going on about colors of the LED and how it DPI now.


    oh
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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Jun 3 15:55:39 2024
    On 6/1/2024 11:53 PM, Ant wrote:

    Do any of you still listen to MIDIs? I do once in a while: http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/files/music/music.html
    That includes MOD, S3M, XM, IT, 669, FAR, etc. ;)

    Not often any more. I've got a pretty big MOD collection. I may have
    played some a couple times over the entire last year.

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  • From Rin Stowleigh@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Mon Jun 3 19:24:49 2024
    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 09:58:20 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Mostly, if I want to play MIDI I just rely on TiMIDIty >(https://timidity.sourceforge.net/) and whatever hundred-megabyte
    patchset I downloaded years ago. It works well enough for most stuff >(although some XG/GM/Roland-specific stuff sounds a bit off). There's
    also a Roland MT-32 emulator (although you'd need the ROMs for those)
    if you want to play old-school Roland stuff. It isn't very good -being >forty-year tech- but if you want to experience what games sounded like
    in the 80s and 90s, it's a cool tool.

    The MT-32 was aimed at the "I might be an enthusiast one day" market
    rather than being any sort of representation of sonic capabilities of
    that era.

    Actually a lot of Roland's studio grade stuff from the 80s and 90s is
    still highly sought after (if you want an example of this, go to
    Reverb.com and search for Jupiter 8... Got $25,000 to burn? You
    could be the proud owner of one :)

    That's actually an extreme example, but Rolands newer gear is mostly
    not as well regarded as their older stuff. Not because of quality or
    that it necessarily sounds bad, it's just that they're almost entirely committed to "virtual analog", so much of their newer hardware is
    basically software in a box rather than discrete analog components.
    Roland gets quite a bit of hate from the synth community for not
    following along the lines of companies like Sequential or Oberheim in
    joining the resurgence of analog popularity, releasing reissues of
    older instruments, etc.

    But hey, analog isn't everything. Remember the Roland D-50? Purely
    digital (and available on the used market at reasonable prices), yet
    still considered an iconic instrument. And then there is Roland Cloud
    which has software emulations of many of their older instruments (many
    of which are surprisingly good).

    The main point I wanted to make though is that in many cases the older
    stuff just sounds better than most of the newer stuff. Good and bad
    gear existed back in the day, and good and bad gear is still regularly released.

    Back to the MT-32. I can understand the excitement factor around it
    back then, and at the price point it was a way for non-musicians to
    dip their toe into MIDI and music technology. But it never sounded
    great. And while I haven't hear the emulation you spoke of, I am
    guessing it sounds even less exciting than the original hardware did,
    because it is rare that software fully emulates the entire signal path
    of original hardware.

    Yes, it can give you that "90% accurate" return to nostalgia as you
    hear / remember sounds that are familiar and relatable... and that can
    be quite cool. But I would liken it to the difference of playing MAME
    ROMS on a PC emulator versus the full experience of same game on a
    brand new original cabinet sitting in a 1980's arcade running on the
    very specific combination of control / display / audio hardware it was
    designed for. The emulation is experience is better than nothing most
    of the time, but not quite as good.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Tue Jun 4 01:46:46 2024
    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 6/1/2024 11:53 PM, Ant wrote:

    Do any of you still listen to MIDIs? I do once in a while: http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/files/music/music.html
    That includes MOD, S3M, XM, IT, 669, FAR, etc. ;)

    Not often any more. I've got a pretty big MOD collection. I may have
    played some a couple times over the entire last year.

    Ha, what are your favorites? Mine is the above link. ;)
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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to rms on Tue Jun 4 12:18:28 2024
    "rms" <rsquiresMOO@MOOflashMOO.net> writes:

    2) ... A high-end gaming mouse;

    CoolerMaster MM520, with a MM720 waiting. These are successors to,
    with better sensors but inferior ergonomics, to the classic
    fingertip mouse Spawn https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/legacy-products/peripheral/spawn/#!

    Looks a lot like my Roccat mouse, although for sure shorter and
    wider. But the wheel, buttons, DPI buttons on top, all look very
    similar. I guess form follows function pretty closely.

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 4 07:36:51 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 19:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 ><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 20:57 this Friday (GMT):
    On Thu, 30 May 2024 14:23:11 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:

    Steven Thomsen-Jones <pika.banyan7805@eagereverest.com> looked up from >>>>reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, >>>>the signs say:

    <snip>
    *I understand the correct pluralisation of mouse for computers is >>>>>'mouses' rather than mice, as that only applies to the animal. Not sure >>>>>anyone cares about that though :D

    Next up, someone will insist it's really Mousii.

    I always call them 'mooses'. One mouse, many mooses. No, it doesnt'
    really make much sense. But I'm odd that way. ;-)


    Neat. I don't think I've ever seen a moose before.

    We're getting a bit far afield from the topic (but what the hell, how
    much can you actually talk about computing pointing devices anyway?
    ;-) but moose are really a sight to see. Typically the word 'majestic'
    is used in regard to elk, but I don't think it really applies. They
    gawky, ungainly, and sort of silly looking animals.

    Elk are just funny looking Deer. The Moose on the other hand is the
    Clint Eastwood of animals, you know just by looking, "do not mess with".

    I still remember a canoe/camping trip where we had to idle offshore for
    about an hour cause there was a moose, right at the entry to the portage

    But damn, if they
    aren't BIG! Not so much in terms of mass but, rather, it's surprising
    how tall they are. They aren't, actually, much taller than people but
    they have such long, skinny legs that a lot of their body is held up
    much higher above the ground than other, similar ungulants like deer
    or horses. It makes them FEEL much larger and taller than they really
    are.

    And it also means if you hit one with a car, you DIE, period, since
    those skinny legs snap easily and that massive body comes in your
    windshield.

    In my (admittedly limited) experience, they're also incredibly shy
    creatures which, given their size, feels weird and uncharacteristic.
    You'd think a creature that big would be more aggressive and less >self-effacing! That behavior, combined with their long faces and
    almost rabbit-like ears, is why they seem so amusing in nature. Still,
    I wouldn't want to be on the bad side of one of those critters.

    But beyond that first impression, moose aren't really that
    interesting. They're essentially deer, except without the fun flighty
    nature. They move ponderously (although they can get up to a
    not-insignicant speed eventually, and all that mass moving at thirty
    kmh isn't anything to laugh at. They'll wreck your car if you hit
    one... or they hit you!).

    A funny store I collected from another newsgroup many years back, mostly
    about a wolverine, but there was a moose too:

    "A friend was deployed to the Philippines some years ago, was somewhat concerned about jungles full of poisonous snakes, and happened to
    mention this concern in the hearing of a local, who was shocked that my
    friend wasn't *happy* to be out of those dangerous Canadian woods and
    into some nice safe jungles.

    This fellow had apparently been present some time earlier when three
    donated animals had been taken by ferry to a zoo on another island
    there;
    a moose and a wolverine were arriving from Canada, and a Bengal tiger
    was arriving from wherever they come from. The locals knew about
    building bamboo shipping cages that'd safely hold a tiger, and had built
    two more, one extra large, for the others.

    Apparently the wolverine got seasick, decided it wanted out, ripped away
    one of the bamboo bars with its teeth, got out, fell overboard, was
    fished out and recaged, then the tiger made the error of growling at the wolverine, at which point it ripped through both cages and partway into
    the tiger. At this point they got out the trank gun and stopped the
    wolverine. Meanwhile, the moose got caught up in all this excitement
    and burst out of its cage, attacking some of the cars on the ferry.

    With a fair bit of veterinary care, they were able to save the tiger.
    These people now *fear* Canadian wildlife."

    Xocyll

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Tue Jun 4 09:11:31 2024
    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 09:48:12 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But beyond that first impression, møøse aren't really that
    interesting.

    A møøse once bit...

    (ah, nevermind)

    --
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    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Ant on Tue Jun 4 07:48:36 2024
    On 6/3/2024 6:46 PM, Ant wrote:
    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 6/1/2024 11:53 PM, Ant wrote:

    Do any of you still listen to MIDIs? I do once in a while: http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/files/music/music.html
    That includes MOD, S3M, XM, IT, 669, FAR, etc. ;)

    Not often any more. I've got a pretty big MOD collection. I may have
    played some a couple times over the entire last year.

    Ha, what are your favorites? Mine is the above link. ;)

    Damn... trying to open the playlists it's not even working for me
    anymore. I do have a small folder with broken links to my favorites named:

    ALTAIR.MOD
    baz_ii.s3m (Slam by Bazzar)
    CASTLE.MOD
    ENERGIA.S3M (Energia by Necros/FM)
    EVOCATIO.MOD
    GSLINGER.MOD (Guitar Slinger)
    isotoxin.s3m (Isotoxin by Necros/FM)
    JungleJuice.xm
    JUPITER.S3M
    K_WAGON.MTM (Wagon Station)
    KNGDMSKY.XM (95946)
    m5v-mars.it (Martian Lovesong)
    MECH8.S3M (Mechanism 8)
    OH_YEAH.MOD (Oh Yeah by Yello)
    ORION.MOD
    PARANOID.IT (Paranoid Android by Raidohead)
    PLANETGR.MOD (Planet Groove)
    POINT.S3M (Point of Departure)
    POWERMONG.MOD (Powermonger game theme)
    t2.xm (Terminator 2 movie theme)
    WHENRISE.XM (When we Rise 3:00)

    I found the files and put them in a new playlist in XMPlayer, I am
    listening to them now.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to rstowleigh@x-nospam-x.com on Tue Jun 4 13:53:07 2024
    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 19:24:49 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
    <rstowleigh@x-nospam-x.com> wrote:

    Yes, it can give you that "90% accurate" return to nostalgia as you
    hear / remember sounds that are familiar and relatable... and that can
    be quite cool.

    I'd say that Roland MT-32 Munt emulation is at about 90% accurate at
    this point. I may switch to emulation if my real MT-32 ever fails
    which it likely will considering its age.

    I know Munt isn't 100% accurate as I can hear (don't hear?) dropped
    notes and wrong sounding instruments occasionally when Munt is used.

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  • From rms@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 4 12:49:16 2024
    https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/legacy-products/peripheral/spawn/#! >Looks a lot like my Roccat mouse, although for sure shorter and
    wider. But the wheel, buttons, DPI buttons on top, all look very
    similar. I guess form follows function pretty closely.

    I bought this newer model on sale as a backup, haven't used it yet: https://www.coolermaster.com/en-global/products/mm720/
    Looks neat, with all the holes! Extremely light too

    rms

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Tue Jun 4 18:31:47 2024
    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 6/3/2024 6:46 PM, Ant wrote:
    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 6/1/2024 11:53 PM, Ant wrote:

    Do any of you still listen to MIDIs? I do once in a while: http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/files/music/music.html
    That includes MOD, S3M, XM, IT, 669, FAR, etc. ;)

    Not often any more. I've got a pretty big MOD collection. I may have
    played some a couple times over the entire last year.

    Ha, what are your favorites? Mine is the above link. ;)

    Damn... trying to open the playlists it's not even working for me
    anymore. I do have a small folder with broken links to my favorites named:

    ALTAIR.MOD
    baz_ii.s3m (Slam by Bazzar)
    CASTLE.MOD
    ENERGIA.S3M (Energia by Necros/FM)
    EVOCATIO.MOD
    GSLINGER.MOD (Guitar Slinger)
    isotoxin.s3m (Isotoxin by Necros/FM)
    JungleJuice.xm
    JUPITER.S3M
    K_WAGON.MTM (Wagon Station)
    KNGDMSKY.XM (95946)
    m5v-mars.it (Martian Lovesong)
    MECH8.S3M (Mechanism 8)
    OH_YEAH.MOD (Oh Yeah by Yello)
    ORION.MOD
    PARANOID.IT (Paranoid Android by Raidohead)
    PLANETGR.MOD (Planet Groove)
    POINT.S3M (Point of Departure)
    POWERMONG.MOD (Powermonger game theme)
    t2.xm (Terminator 2 movie theme)
    WHENRISE.XM (When we Rise 3:00)

    I found the files and put them in a new playlist in XMPlayer, I am
    listening to them now.

    Please share your collection. :)
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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Tue Jun 4 23:33:55 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:

    On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 21:32:22 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
    Question: What's the best MIDI SoftSynth to use?

    I couldn't answer that any more.

    I have a vague memory Microsoft added a softsynth to Windows at some
    point? That's probably not the best though.

    I'm somewhat interested in the softsynth topic as I'm thinking of
    building a kind of portable piano. Likely a Pi Zero with an amplifier
    hat and a little speaker and case. Plus a midi keyboard and some
    softsynth. I don't have much use for this so going for cheap.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Tue Jun 4 17:52:05 2024
    On 6/4/2024 2:53 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 09:11:31 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 09:48:12 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But beyond that first impression, møøse aren't really that
    interesting.

    A møøse once bit...

    (ah, nevermind)


    No, no, no. Let your inner Python out. It's not healthy to keep a
    Monty Python quote suppressed.

    Or to be too close to ground zero when one detonates.

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  • From Rin Stowleigh@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 4 20:33:47 2024
    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 13:53:07 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 19:24:49 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
    <rstowleigh@x-nospam-x.com> wrote:

    Yes, it can give you that "90% accurate" return to nostalgia as you
    hear / remember sounds that are familiar and relatable... and that can
    be quite cool.

    I'd say that Roland MT-32 Munt emulation is at about 90% accurate at
    this point. I may switch to emulation if my real MT-32 ever fails
    which it likely will considering its age.

    I know Munt isn't 100% accurate as I can hear (don't hear?) dropped
    notes and wrong sounding instruments occasionally when Munt is used.

    Looking this part up on Wikipedia "Given the MT-32 was intended to be
    a relatively low-cost prosumer product, many corners were cut in the
    design of its DAC output. For example, the circuitry needed to
    properly calibrate the DACs was omitted, resulting in distortion of
    the analog signal", I have to assume that emulation for hardware with
    a crappy DAC is probably closer to the original than most software is
    compared to high end audio gear.

    Softsynths in pro-grade studios are a funny thing. Sometimes they can
    really wow you with the sound, until you hear them side by side with
    the real thing -- the hardware they're trying to emulate. And then
    it's like the software can be 90-95% there, but its that last 2%-5%
    that makes all the difference in the world in terms of inspiration
    (which is hugely important in writing or playing music, but not so
    much for just listening to music in-game for example).

    Also just the signal path alone often makes a difference. One synth I
    own (but admittedly don't use often) is a Roland System-8. It is a
    virtual analog that you can data dump emulations of many great
    sounding vintage synths (Jupiter 8, Jupiter 4, Juno series, JX3P etc)
    into the hardware, effectively swapping out the synth engine. But unsurprisingly some of the engines (called "plug-outs") sound
    substantially better when run on the hardware, I suppose because the
    signal is coming out of the DAC and then into the pre-amps of a
    high-end audio interface (that alone can make a big difference). But
    with some of them I actually hear subtle tuning differences in the
    oscillators that just sound better on the hardware than when they are
    run as "plug in" versions in the DAW, and the signal path doesn't
    really impact tuning per se. So I'm not sure if that's because the
    synth is taking advantage of more available processing power on the
    synth than the computer* or if that's just an intentional strategic
    decision by Roland.

    * not implying here that the quad DSP system in the synth is really
    faster, per se, than modern CPUs... it's just that they are dedicated
    to audio and not trying to run a generic operating system that's
    juggling a gazillion other things.

    As far as dropped notes, wrong sounding instruments etc. I have no
    experience with Munt and never owned an MT-32 so it's hard to
    speculate what the issues could be there. Dropped notes can be that
    polyphony limit is exceeded (the MT-32 advertised 32 notes but I
    believe that was a maximum polyphony, which is typicaly of some Roland products.. more complex patches can reduce polyphony count). It
    could also be that the developer(s) of Munt just implemented their own
    method of voice stealing to make it more CPU efficient or to overcome
    other problems.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed Jun 5 12:40:08 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 21:53 this Tuesday (GMT):
    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 09:11:31 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 09:48:12 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But beyond that first impression, møøse aren't really that
    interesting.

    A møøse once bit...

    (ah, nevermind)


    No, no, no. Let your inner Python out. It's not healthy to keep a
    Monty Python quote suppressed.


    For a second I thought you meant the programming language.
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Wed Jun 5 12:40:11 2024
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 00:52 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On 6/4/2024 2:53 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 09:11:31 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 09:48:12 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But beyond that first impression, møøse aren't really that
    interesting.

    A møøse once bit...

    (ah, nevermind)


    No, no, no. Let your inner Python out. It's not healthy to keep a
    Monty Python quote suppressed.

    Or to be too close to ground zero when one detonates.


    Yeah! Even Phoenix Wright pulls two Monty Python references :D
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to candycanearter07@candycanearter07.n on Wed Jun 5 12:50:06 2024
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote at 12:40 this Wednesday (GMT):
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 00:52 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On 6/4/2024 2:53 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 09:11:31 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 09:48:12 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But beyond that first impression, møøse aren't really that
    interesting.

    A møøse once bit...

    (ah, nevermind)


    No, no, no. Let your inner Python out. It's not healthy to keep a
    Monty Python quote suppressed.

    Or to be too close to ground zero when one detonates.


    Yeah! Even Phoenix Wright pulls two Monty Python references :D


    (if you were wondering, ema says "it's only a flesh wound" before one of
    the cross examinations in 1-5, and "and now for something completely
    different" is said a couple times in 6-2)
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed Jun 5 14:35:03 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 14:01 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 12:50:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
    <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 00:52 this Wednesday (GMT):


    Yeah! Even Phoenix Wright pulls two Monty Python references :D

    (if you were wondering, ema says "it's only a flesh wound" before one of >>the cross examinations in 1-5, and "and now for something completely >>different" is said a couple times in 6-2)

    This is valuable information and I shall retain it forever.


    (We need a "Monty Python Quotes and References in Video Games" list.)


    Yeah, we should :D
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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 5 07:31:19 2024
    On 6/5/2024 5:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 21:53 this Tuesday (GMT):
    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 09:11:31 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 09:48:12 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But beyond that first impression, møøse aren't really that
    interesting.

    A møøse once bit...

    (ah, nevermind)


    No, no, no. Let your inner Python out. It's not healthy to keep a
    Monty Python quote suppressed.


    For a second I thought you meant the programming language.

    I was more wondering how a python got in someone in the first place.

    --
    -Justisaur

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed Jun 5 07:58:29 2024
    On 6/4/2024 3:50 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 18:31:47 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 6/3/2024 6:46 PM, Ant wrote:
    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 6/1/2024 11:53 PM, Ant wrote:

    Do any of you still listen to MIDIs? I do once in a while: http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/files/music/music.html
    That includes MOD, S3M, XM, IT, 669, FAR, etc. ;)

    Not often any more. I've got a pretty big MOD collection. I may have >>>>> played some a couple times over the entire last year.

    Ha, what are your favorites? Mine is the above link. ;)



    Here's a mixed and random selection of my most played

    Ascent of the Cloud Eagle (ASCENT.S3M by Necros) https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=34073

    Fountain of Sighs (FOUNTAIN.MOD by Skorpik) https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=40748

    Guitar Slinger (GSLINGER.MOD by jogeir-liljedahl) https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=42560

    Wild King Arthur (WILD.XM by Lizardking) https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=62944

    Wanderlust (WANDERLST.MOD by Lizardking) https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=60335

    Children (CHILDREN.XM by Heretic) https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=36483

    Butterfly Flew Away (BUTTERFL.XM by Swallow) https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=34596

    Demonic Sensation (DEMONIC.MOD by TimeLord) https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=35295




    But I've literal hundreds of tracker-files on my disk, and I keep
    finding more to add. The above aren't necessarily the best, just some
    of the most played... largely because they're some of my oldest and
    because they're the ones that got turned to MP3s. Most of the rest are equally listenable but tend to get lost in the mix and are therefore
    less memorable.


    I've got 152 total in my mod folder.

    My favorites I played yesterday didn't really do much for me anymore,
    but I found them good for background music as they (mostly) don't have
    voices to distract me and aren't as volume/intensity variable as classic
    music.

    I've got far more .mp3s, I'm not even sure how many as I've got them
    divided up in different folders and sub folders. I have 215 in my
    "Rock-Main" alone, I've got 14 folders in the mp3 folder, and some of
    those have 3 more subfolders, I don't think I go any deeper than those
    sub folders but I'm not looking through them all right now.

    I haven't kept up collecting those anymore as I've got a youtube music
    playlist for the computer and my wife got the apple subscription so I've
    just been downloading whatever I feel like on to my phone. I don't even
    listen to them much on the phone, as I mostly listen to podcasts when
    I'm driving or doing chores. Sometimes I'll listen to the radio alt or
    classic rock station driving and that's mostly how I pick up new music I
    like.

    I only recently discovered Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Simple Man" and added that
    on the phone/youtube from the classic rock station. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eNoms9wsGc

    My most recent from the Alt station is "Yes I'm a Mess" by AJR. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Iot0IbkjQ

    I also added a few of the songs from the Cyberpunk 2077 radio I really
    like "Pain" by Le Destroy. (NSFW)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vloe5Ol26nY

    --
    -Justisaur

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    ¶¬'\( ,_.-'
    \\
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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed Jun 5 11:35:56 2024
    On Wed, 05 Jun 2024 10:01:58 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 12:50:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 ><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 00:52 this Wednesday (GMT):


    Yeah! Even Phoenix Wright pulls two Monty Python references :D

    (if you were wondering, ema says "it's only a flesh wound" before one of >>the cross examinations in 1-5, and "and now for something completely >>different" is said a couple times in 6-2)

    This is valuable information and I shall retain it forever.


    (We need a "Monty Python Quotes and References in Video Games" list.)

    We can start here:

    https://www.mobygames.com/game/1975/monty-pythons-complete-waste-of-time/

    The whole game is a comprehensive python reference.

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Wed Jun 5 11:36:51 2024
    On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 07:31:19 -0700, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Justisaur wrote:

    On 6/5/2024 5:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 21:53 this Tuesday (GMT):
    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 09:11:31 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 09:48:12 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But beyond that first impression, møøse aren't really that
    interesting.

    A møøse once bit...

    (ah, nevermind)


    No, no, no. Let your inner Python out. It's not healthy to keep a
    Monty Python quote suppressed.


    For a second I thought you meant the programming language.

    I was more wondering how a python got in someone in the first place.

    Um... I accidentally sat on it?

    (Most common ridiculous excuse for you-know-what when a case is presented
    at the hospital)

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed Jun 5 11:54:30 2024
    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 18:50:01 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 18:31:47 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 6/3/2024 6:46 PM, Ant wrote:
    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 6/1/2024 11:53 PM, Ant wrote:

    Do any of you still listen to MIDIs? I do once in a while: http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/files/music/music.html
    That includes MOD, S3M, XM, IT, 669, FAR, etc. ;)

    Not often any more. I've got a pretty big MOD collection. I may have >>> >> played some a couple times over the entire last year.

    Ha, what are your favorites? Mine is the above link. ;)



    Here's a mixed and random selection of my most played

    [snip]

    I was more into techno:

    https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=35623 https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=51055 https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=39913 https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=46661 https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=59635

    I actually have the mod of this one, but the archive only has an xm https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=41760

    I'm pretty sure the Crusader (Origin) games had mod files for their
    soundtrack too. http://www.mirsoft.info/wogm_download.php?data=YToyOntpOjA7czozOiIyOTMiO2k6MTtpOjE3MTc2MDYzMzI7fQ==

    (Haven't tried that zip yet.)

    I think System Shock and Crusader got me into this stuff, thus the focus
    on techno. Orbital Flower was used in DX-Ball. Remember that game?

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 5 15:44:34 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 12:50:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 ><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 00:52 this Wednesday (GMT):


    Yeah! Even Phoenix Wright pulls two Monty Python references :D

    (if you were wondering, ema says "it's only a flesh wound" before one of >>the cross examinations in 1-5, and "and now for something completely >>different" is said a couple times in 6-2)

    This is valuable information and I shall retain it forever.


    (We need a "Monty Python Quotes and References in Video Games" list.)


    No more Daikatana robot frogs, we need crunchy frog surprise!

    Xocyll

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 5 15:48:18 2024
    Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of
    the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 07:31:19 -0700, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Justisaur wrote:

    On 6/5/2024 5:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 21:53 this Tuesday (GMT):
    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 09:11:31 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 09:48:12 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, >>>>> Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But beyond that first impression, møøse aren't really that
    interesting.

    A møøse once bit...

    (ah, nevermind)


    No, no, no. Let your inner Python out. It's not healthy to keep a
    Monty Python quote suppressed.


    For a second I thought you meant the programming language.

    I was more wondering how a python got in someone in the first place.

    Um... I accidentally sat on it?

    (Most common ridiculous excuse for you-know-what when a case is presented
    at the hospital)

    A python, that would indicate a "capacity' that is unlikely to be
    accidental.

    Pythons, not exactly on the small, "lemming/gerbil" size standard.

    Xocyll

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Wed Jun 5 17:47:31 2024
    On 6/5/2024 7:31 AM, Justisaur wrote:
    On 6/5/2024 5:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 21:53 this
    Tuesday (GMT):
    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 09:11:31 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 09:48:12 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But beyond that first impression, møøse aren't really that
    interesting.

    A møøse once bit...

    (ah, nevermind)


    No, no, no. Let your inner Python out. It's not healthy to keep a
    Monty Python quote suppressed.


    For a second I thought you meant the programming language.

    I was more wondering how a python got in someone in the first place.

    True, one is much more likely to end up in the python than the python in
    you.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Thu Jun 6 03:45:03 2024
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 00:47 this Thursday (GMT):
    On 6/5/2024 7:31 AM, Justisaur wrote:
    On 6/5/2024 5:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 21:53 this
    Tuesday (GMT):
    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 09:11:31 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 09:48:12 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, >>>>> Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But beyond that first impression, møøse aren't really that
    interesting.

    A møøse once bit...

    (ah, nevermind)


    No, no, no. Let your inner Python out. It's not healthy to keep a
    Monty Python quote suppressed.


    For a second I thought you meant the programming language.

    I was more wondering how a python got in someone in the first place.

    True, one is much more likely to end up in the python than the python in
    you.


    What if two pythons fought?
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Thu Jun 6 09:29:00 2024
    On Wed, 05 Jun 2024 17:42:39 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    For the ordinary end-user, the built-in softsynth (which, as far as
    I'm aware, still exists on modern windows, even if its harder to
    access these days) was average. It was certainly better than the harsh
    FM synthesis of the Soundblasters, but far inferior to the Yamahas and >Rolands (and probably even the Ensoniqs and Creative) synths
    available.

    In the Windows 10 midi mapper it is referred to as 'Microsoft GS
    Wavetable Synth.' It uses downgraded Roland instrument samples. It
    definitely does not sound as good as my Roland SC-55 but is an
    improvement over FM synth.

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 6 08:49:59 2024
    On Thu, 6 Jun 2024 03:45:03 -0000 (UTC), in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, candycanearter07 wrote:

    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 00:47 this Thursday (GMT): >> On 6/5/2024 7:31 AM, Justisaur wrote:
    On 6/5/2024 5:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 21:53 this
    Tuesday (GMT):
    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 09:11:31 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 09:48:12 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, >>>>>> Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But beyond that first impression, møøse aren't really that
    interesting.

    A møøse once bit...

    (ah, nevermind)


    No, no, no. Let your inner Python out. It's not healthy to keep a
    Monty Python quote suppressed.


    For a second I thought you meant the programming language.

    I was more wondering how a python got in someone in the first place.

    True, one is much more likely to end up in the python than the python in
    you.


    What if two pythons fought?

    https://youtu.be/xpAvcGcEc0k?t=87

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Zaghadka on Thu Jun 6 14:40:03 2024
    Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote at 13:49 this Thursday (GMT):
    On Thu, 6 Jun 2024 03:45:03 -0000 (UTC), in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, candycanearter07 wrote:

    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 00:47 this Thursday (GMT): >>> On 6/5/2024 7:31 AM, Justisaur wrote:
    On 6/5/2024 5:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 21:53 this
    Tuesday (GMT):
    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 09:11:31 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 09:48:12 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, >>>>>>> Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But beyond that first impression, møøse aren't really that
    interesting.

    A møøse once bit...

    (ah, nevermind)


    No, no, no. Let your inner Python out. It's not healthy to keep a
    Monty Python quote suppressed.


    For a second I thought you meant the programming language.

    I was more wondering how a python got in someone in the first place.

    True, one is much more likely to end up in the python than the python in >>> you.


    What if two pythons fought?

    https://youtu.be/xpAvcGcEc0k?t=87


    thank
    --
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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Thu Jun 6 08:20:15 2024
    On 6/5/2024 5:47 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 6/5/2024 7:31 AM, Justisaur wrote:
    On 6/5/2024 5:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 21:53 this
    Tuesday (GMT):
    On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 09:11:31 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 09:48:12 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, >>>>> Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But beyond that first impression, møøse aren't really that
    interesting.

    A møøse once bit...

    (ah, nevermind)


    No, no, no. Let your inner Python out. It's not healthy to keep a
    Monty Python quote suppressed.


    For a second I thought you meant the programming language.

    I was more wondering how a python got in someone in the first place.

    True, one is much more likely to end up in the python than the python in
    you.

    The Python is strong in this one.


    --
    -Justisaur

    ø-ø
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Zaghadka on Fri Jun 7 18:40:04 2024
    Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote at 16:35 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On Wed, 05 Jun 2024 10:01:58 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 12:50:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 >><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 00:52 this Wednesday (GMT):


    Yeah! Even Phoenix Wright pulls two Monty Python references :D

    (if you were wondering, ema says "it's only a flesh wound" before one of >>>the cross examinations in 1-5, and "and now for something completely >>>different" is said a couple times in 6-2)

    This is valuable information and I shall retain it forever.


    (We need a "Monty Python Quotes and References in Video Games" list.)

    We can start here:

    https://www.mobygames.com/game/1975/monty-pythons-complete-waste-of-time/

    The whole game is a comprehensive python reference.


    So, we have 3 entries.

    (Maybe we should make a spreadsheet or smth?)
    --
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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Sat Jun 8 10:42:54 2024
    On 01/06/2024 18:19, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 6/1/2024 1:23 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 31/05/2024 19:29, Xocyll wrote:
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn >>> spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On 29/05/2024 08:52, Xocyll wrote:
    Never heard it called a mat before, always a mouse pad here in Canada. >>>>
    I did check and it seems to be another British vs American English.

    Canada usually follows British rules though.


    Don't know Canadian English so not sure but I've always presumed that
    in terms of grammar and spelling it's more akin to British English but
    for actual terms used I also assumed (not sure why) it would have more
    in common with what's used in the US.

    Re: "why".  Possibly because the US is the 800 pound gorilla sitting
    right next to Canada?  ;)


    So how much influence does US culture have on Canada as in the UK it's
    pretty much limited to music and films*. Saying that I have noticed more
    and more references to a TV season instead of a TV series.

    *Of course we are more than happen to export our own actors as pretend Americans and if you need someone to play the bad guy, well we've got it covered.

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 8 11:14:32 2024
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On 01/06/2024 18:19, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 6/1/2024 1:23 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 31/05/2024 19:29, Xocyll wrote:
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn >>>> spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On 29/05/2024 08:52, Xocyll wrote:
    Never heard it called a mat before, always a mouse pad here in Canada. >>>>>
    I did check and it seems to be another British vs American English.

    Canada usually follows British rules though.


    Don't know Canadian English so not sure but I've always presumed that
    in terms of grammar and spelling it's more akin to British English but
    for actual terms used I also assumed (not sure why) it would have more
    in common with what's used in the US.

    Re: "why".  Possibly because the US is the 800 pound gorilla sitting
    right next to Canada?  ;)


    So how much influence does US culture have on Canada as in the UK it's
    pretty much limited to music and films*. Saying that I have noticed more
    and more references to a TV season instead of a TV series.

    Yeah in NA it's the various seasons of a TV series, whereas in Britain
    it's various series of a TV show.

    Of course in Britain, they can run a "series" (year) of a show, take a
    year or two off, then bring it back for the next series.
    In NA that pretty much never happens - it's continuous start to finish,
    then it's truly finished.

    Season one and cancelled, there is never a season 2.
    Some series were officially cancelled, but fans got them reinstated
    before they actually the actually finished filming the current season or
    the actors moved on to other projects, but that's a whole nother thing.

    Brit series tend to be shorter too, often only 4-6 episodes. VS 10-13
    fairly standard now in NA, and the older ones that were 22-26
    episodes/season.

    IE Primeval went 6/7/10/7/6 eps in 2007/8/9/11/11


    *Of course we are more than happen to export our own actors as pretend >Americans and if you need someone to play the bad guy, well we've got it >covered.

    As referenced when Hugh Laurie of House MD fame surprised people with
    his spot on "English Accent" cause they had no idea he was English.

    The number of Brits and Aus/NZ actors who can do perfect American
    accents is surprising.

    The number of American actors who can do perfect Brit/Aus/NZ accents is microscopic.

    Xocyll

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Xocyll on Sat Jun 8 09:31:44 2024
    On 6/8/2024 8:14 AM, Xocyll wrote:
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On 01/06/2024 18:19, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 6/1/2024 1:23 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 31/05/2024 19:29, Xocyll wrote:
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn >>>>> spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On 29/05/2024 08:52, Xocyll wrote:
    Never heard it called a mat before, always a mouse pad here in Canada. >>>>>>
    I did check and it seems to be another British vs American English. >>>>>
    Canada usually follows British rules though.


    Don't know Canadian English so not sure but I've always presumed that
    in terms of grammar and spelling it's more akin to British English but >>>> for actual terms used I also assumed (not sure why) it would have more >>>> in common with what's used in the US.

    Re: "why".  Possibly because the US is the 800 pound gorilla sitting
    right next to Canada?  ;)


    So how much influence does US culture have on Canada as in the UK it's
    pretty much limited to music and films*. Saying that I have noticed more
    and more references to a TV season instead of a TV series.

    Yeah in NA it's the various seasons of a TV series, whereas in Britain
    it's various series of a TV show.

    Of course in Britain, they can run a "series" (year) of a show, take a
    year or two off, then bring it back for the next series.
    In NA that pretty much never happens - it's continuous start to finish,
    then it's truly finished.

    Season one and cancelled, there is never a season 2.
    Some series were officially cancelled, but fans got them reinstated
    before they actually the actually finished filming the current season or
    the actors moved on to other projects, but that's a whole nother thing.

    Brit series tend to be shorter too, often only 4-6 episodes. VS 10-13 fairly standard now in NA, and the older ones that were 22-26 episodes/season.

    IE Primeval went 6/7/10/7/6 eps in 2007/8/9/11/11


    *Of course we are more than happen to export our own actors as pretend
    Americans and if you need someone to play the bad guy, well we've got it
    covered.

    As referenced when Hugh Laurie of House MD fame surprised people with
    his spot on "English Accent" cause they had no idea he was English.

    The number of Brits and Aus/NZ actors who can do perfect American
    accents is surprising.

    The number of American actors who can do perfect Brit/Aus/NZ accents is microscopic.

    Gorilla don't need to learn how to grunt funny. :D

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 9 04:54:02 2024
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
    entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On 6/8/2024 8:14 AM, Xocyll wrote:
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
    spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On 01/06/2024 18:19, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 6/1/2024 1:23 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 31/05/2024 19:29, Xocyll wrote:
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn >>>>>> spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On 29/05/2024 08:52, Xocyll wrote:
    Never heard it called a mat before, always a mouse pad here in Canada. >>>>>>>
    I did check and it seems to be another British vs American English. >>>>>>
    Canada usually follows British rules though.


    Don't know Canadian English so not sure but I've always presumed that >>>>> in terms of grammar and spelling it's more akin to British English but >>>>> for actual terms used I also assumed (not sure why) it would have more >>>>> in common with what's used in the US.

    Re: "why".  Possibly because the US is the 800 pound gorilla sitting
    right next to Canada?  ;)


    So how much influence does US culture have on Canada as in the UK it's
    pretty much limited to music and films*. Saying that I have noticed more >>> and more references to a TV season instead of a TV series.

    Yeah in NA it's the various seasons of a TV series, whereas in Britain
    it's various series of a TV show.

    Of course in Britain, they can run a "series" (year) of a show, take a
    year or two off, then bring it back for the next series.
    In NA that pretty much never happens - it's continuous start to finish,
    then it's truly finished.

    Season one and cancelled, there is never a season 2.
    Some series were officially cancelled, but fans got them reinstated
    before they actually the actually finished filming the current season or
    the actors moved on to other projects, but that's a whole nother thing.

    Brit series tend to be shorter too, often only 4-6 episodes. VS 10-13
    fairly standard now in NA, and the older ones that were 22-26
    episodes/season.

    IE Primeval went 6/7/10/7/6 eps in 2007/8/9/11/11


    *Of course we are more than happen to export our own actors as pretend
    Americans and if you need someone to play the bad guy, well we've got it >>> covered.

    As referenced when Hugh Laurie of House MD fame surprised people with
    his spot on "English Accent" cause they had no idea he was English.

    The number of Brits and Aus/NZ actors who can do perfect American
    accents is surprising.

    The number of American actors who can do perfect Brit/Aus/NZ accents is
    microscopic.

    Gorilla don't need to learn how to grunt funny. :D

    I wouldn't put it that way exactly, it's more the way actors get paid.

    Aus actors get zero residuals for instance, a popular show that has
    reruns nets them nothing at all, it all goes to the studio.

    NZ, I don't know, but I suspect it's similar, and with such a small
    population, shows get 1960's Dr Who budgets, so most Americans wouldn't
    work for that. It does inspire a lot of creativity in the storytelling though. When you don't have the budget for flashy effects, you'd
    better have a good story.



    And for a last thought:

    British King Kong on top of the Empire State Building, swatting at
    planes and declaiming "Bloody Colonials!" (Top hat and Monocle, Mr
    Peanut/Mr Monopoly style, optional.)

    Xocyll

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to candycanearter07@candycanearter07.n on Tue Jun 11 18:45:02 2024
    [MAJOR PHOENIX WRIGHT SPOILERS!!!]


    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote at 14:35 this Wednesday (GMT):
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 14:01 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 12:50:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 >><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 00:52 this Wednesday (GMT):


    Yeah! Even Phoenix Wright pulls two Monty Python references :D

    (if you were wondering, ema says "it's only a flesh wound" before one of >>>the cross examinations in 1-5, and "and now for something completely >>>different" is said a couple times in 6-2)

    This is valuable information and I shall retain it forever.


    (We need a "Monty Python Quotes and References in Video Games" list.)


    Yeah, we should :D


    ok so coming back to this i got curious and looked at the pw wiki

    there seems to be 7 references in the series:

    edgeworth says "her metabolic processes are a matter of interest only to historians" when revealing dahlias death in 3-5

    luke atmey says that she will be "dropping her pnts before lunchtime" in
    3-2

    gumshoe reference the knights of the round table as the "knights who say
    ni" in AAI2-4*



    kay faraday says "and now for something completely different" when
    examining something in AAI2-5*
    phoenix says "and now for something completely different" when
    andistan'dhin becomes a rock star in 6-1

    kay says "its just a flesh wound" during patricas testimony in AAI2-2*
    ema says "its just a flesh wound" during angel starr's testimony in 1-5

    *AAI2 never got an official localization, so this is from the fan
    translation..


    anyways yea i rly like phoenix wright
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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Ant on Wed Jun 12 23:11:22 2024
    ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) writes:

    Do any of you still listen to MIDIs? I do once in a while: http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/files/music/music.html
    That includes MOD, S3M, XM, IT, 669, FAR, etc. ;)

    I think it's been over 20 years, I had an HD issue but my mod collection survived. Didn't get around to copying it off the failing drive as I
    hadn't listened to the songs much.

    Well, I did replay Crusader: No Remorse recently. That was all Necros
    mods as I recall. Lizardking was a favorite too, that much I remember.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Anssi Saari on Thu Jun 13 01:40:03 2024
    Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote at 20:11 this Wednesday (GMT):
    ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) writes:

    Do any of you still listen to MIDIs? I do once in a while: http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/files/music/music.html
    That includes MOD, S3M, XM, IT, 669, FAR, etc. ;)

    I think it's been over 20 years, I had an HD issue but my mod collection survived. Didn't get around to copying it off the failing drive as I
    hadn't listened to the songs much.

    Well, I did replay Crusader: No Remorse recently. That was all Necros
    mods as I recall. Lizardking was a favorite too, that much I remember.


    Nope, I don't think I've ever had one. I tried converting one before but
    it turns out its kinda hard.
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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 13 21:12:24 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 01:40:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 ><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

    Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote at 20:11 this Wednesday (GMT):
    ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) writes:

    Do any of you still listen to MIDIs? I do once in a while: http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/files/music/music.html
    That includes MOD, S3M, XM, IT, 669, FAR, etc. ;)

    I think it's been over 20 years, I had an HD issue but my mod collection >>> survived. Didn't get around to copying it off the failing drive as I
    hadn't listened to the songs much.

    Well, I did replay Crusader: No Remorse recently. That was all Necros
    mods as I recall. Lizardking was a favorite too, that much I remember.


    Nope, I don't think I've ever had one. I tried converting one before but
    it turns out its kinda hard.

    It was fairly easy to convert MODs in WinAmp (remember WinAmp?*)

    Remember? I used it today.

    You'd
    queue up a tracker file (WinAmp had fairly robust support for most
    formats), and then go into WinAmp 'plugins' and select the WaveOut >Output.***. The file would stream to a WAV file of the music which you
    could then convert to FLAC or MP3 or whatver you wanted.

    Did this for several sounds effects and files back in the day.

    It's how I got all my favorite MODs into my MP3 collection so I could
    listen to them on the go (there are actually tracker players for
    mobile devices, but it was just simpler to make them all MP3s than to
    juggle different players).

    * I bet Pepperidge Farms remembers.**
    ** Remember Pepperidge Farms' "Pepperidge Farms remembers" advertising >campaign? No. Me neither.

    Only the South Park spoofing with the "memba berries"

    *** No, I didn't have this memorized. I do have WinAmp on an old PC
    though, so I could easily check ;-)

    I still use it, it's low impact, plays in the background and I've used
    it for years.

    I should clarify, not the latest version, v272lite from 2001.

    I tried newer versions, but they all got bloated and too many
    "features," added that I had no use for and that made it run slower.

    Xocyll

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Jun 14 02:50:03 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 17:08 this Thursday (GMT):
    On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 01:40:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
    <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

    Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote at 20:11 this Wednesday (GMT):
    ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) writes:

    Do any of you still listen to MIDIs? I do once in a while: http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/files/music/music.html
    That includes MOD, S3M, XM, IT, 669, FAR, etc. ;)

    I think it's been over 20 years, I had an HD issue but my mod collection >>> survived. Didn't get around to copying it off the failing drive as I
    hadn't listened to the songs much.

    Well, I did replay Crusader: No Remorse recently. That was all Necros
    mods as I recall. Lizardking was a favorite too, that much I remember.


    Nope, I don't think I've ever had one. I tried converting one before but
    it turns out its kinda hard.

    It was fairly easy to convert MODs in WinAmp (remember WinAmp?*) You'd
    queue up a tracker file (WinAmp had fairly robust support for most
    formats), and then go into WinAmp 'plugins' and select the WaveOut Output.***. The file would stream to a WAV file of the music which you
    could then convert to FLAC or MP3 or whatver you wanted.

    It's how I got all my favorite MODs into my MP3 collection so I could
    listen to them on the go (there are actually tracker players for
    mobile devices, but it was just simpler to make them all MP3s than to
    juggle different players).


    I meant making a new MIDI file from mp3/wav/etc
















    * I bet Pepperidge Farms remembers.**
    ** Remember Pepperidge Farms' "Pepperidge Farms remembers" advertising campaign? No. Me neither.

    I do.

    *** No, I didn't have this memorized. I do have WinAmp on an old PC
    though, so I could easily check ;-)


    Eh, I use audacious.
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sat Jun 15 06:30:06 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 14:50 this Friday (GMT):
    On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 02:50:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
    <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 17:08 this Thursday (GMT):
    On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 01:40:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 >>><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

    Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote at 20:11 this Wednesday (GMT):
    ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) writes:

    Do any of you still listen to MIDIs? I do once in a while: http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/files/music/music.html
    That includes MOD, S3M, XM, IT, 669, FAR, etc. ;)

    I think it's been over 20 years, I had an HD issue but my mod collection >>>>> survived. Didn't get around to copying it off the failing drive as I >>>>> hadn't listened to the songs much.

    Well, I did replay Crusader: No Remorse recently. That was all Necros >>>>> mods as I recall. Lizardking was a favorite too, that much I remember. >>>>

    Nope, I don't think I've ever had one. I tried converting one before but >>>>it turns out its kinda hard.

    It was fairly easy to convert MODs in WinAmp (remember WinAmp?*) You'd
    queue up a tracker file (WinAmp had fairly robust support for most
    formats), and then go into WinAmp 'plugins' and select the WaveOut
    Output.***. The file would stream to a WAV file of the music which you
    could then convert to FLAC or MP3 or whatver you wanted.

    It's how I got all my favorite MODs into my MP3 collection so I could
    listen to them on the go (there are actually tracker players for
    mobile devices, but it was just simpler to make them all MP3s than to
    juggle different players).


    I meant making a new MIDI file from mp3/wav/etc


    Honestly, WinAmp can do that too (I mean, so can a lot of other apps,
    but since I was hyping WinAmp before, might as well continue to do
    so). It can do that with pretty much /any/ file it can play; it just redirects the output to a WAV file instead of, you know, to your
    speakers.

    Of course, the QUALITY of that music file will be heavily dependent on whatever it is you use for MIDI playback. If you've got some sort of
    high-end Yamaha XG50 soft-synth, it'll sound terrific. If you've
    somehow managed to wedge a Soundblaster v1.0 with an OPL2 soundchip
    into your modern laptop, it'll sound a lot less good (still, kudos for getting an ISA soundcard into a 2024 laptop; that's some dark magic
    right there and well worth the ear-bleed ;-)

    The Roland Emulator (MuNT) also has a direct MIDI-to-WAV output
    feature, if you want to (mostly) recapture what a MIDI file would
    sound like to a PC gamer with high-end gear in 1989 ;-)


    Are there any Linux apps?
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