On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:49:25 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

Specifically, he says:
1) Most gamers don't see the end of your game. So
design fewer levels, make your games shorter.
2) The tech advancement in games is not getting
noticed by the majority of your players, so ask
yourself: is this worth the investment?

[...]

What do you think: do the first two suggestions reflect a sea-change
in the industry? And if so, are they /welcome/ sea changes?

One thing I've observed in comments from highly successful people in
the entertainment business (whether they were game developers, music artists/producers/composers, filmmakers, actors or comics working on
new characters or reading a script... whatever) is that they almost
always describe some moment where they knew a certain product of their
efforts (whether that's a game title, a musical track, a film, a
character, etc.) was something special.

When you spend enough time on your craft to get good at it, you're simultaneously good enough to recognize work that stands out beyond
your normal work output and that will appeal to others. Nobody can
necessarily predict with any accuracy what will or won't go viral on
social media these days, but most of the forms of entertainment I
listed above cannot rely on viral media gimmicks to sustain anyones
career or company anyway, so that point is moot.

So... when game developers/designers/directors see that a title is
turning into something special, they should extend the enjoyment to
the extent it is still enjoyable (without "jumping the shark"). When
they realize the current project is turning into something mediocre or forgettable, it's best to cut bait, make it a shorter title and charge accordingly.

One of the things I think is fundamentally wrong with gaming is that
the entire way funding and marketing works, there is very little
incentive for "special" games to materialize in the first place. These
teams sit down and say "okay we're going to make this or that and we
will target X number hours of playtime and spend Y number of dollars
on R&D" etc. The decisions and deadlines are decided long before they
have created enough of a viable product to get a feel for how it's
going to turn out.

So to his suggestion #1 I say: people don't finish crap games but they
will finish good ones, so make the total play time proportional to how
good the game is turning out initially and plan around that. As far
as suggestion #2, technology alone will not make a crap game fun to
play or a crap movie fun to watch or make poorly written music sound
any better, so tech advancement should never be the end goal. Focus
on delivering on fun factor and consider tech advancements to be icing
on the cake when you can find ways to meaningfully add them to the
mix. Don't add "new and shiny" just for the marketing rights of
saying "this game has some new and shiny in it".

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On 12/07/2024 18:49, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

1) There's very few games I've played that have an actual ending (so not
Civ for example) that when I've finished I really think I wish it had
gone on for longer. There's more games I slogged through the last hours
but the biggest proportion of games is where I've got to the point of
saying I'm just not enjoying this any more and stopped.

The two problems I find is that games quickly run out of ideas so you're effectively just doing the same thing yet again but this time you're
more powerful. The real biggie though, artificially padding out games to
get to that magical 80hrs+ to make it value for money. I'd rather play a
ten hour game where I enjoyed all of it than a thirty hour game where I
enjoyed half of it.

Some notable exceptions I can think of, off the top of my head. HL:1/2,
I could have happily played several more hours and I think a lot of that
is to do with how it keeps the game fresh by giving levels quite
different feels. Next on the list, FO:3/NV. That kept me going for many
hours just because the amount of different locations/stories that again
kept the game fresh.

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On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:49:25 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

I've complained about this a lot recently, but I don't think I'm alone
in saying that these gigantic modern games are, frankly, too
exhausting to play. I look at a new game, see it's open world, and
think not, "hey! Cool! Neat!" but, "Oh god, it's going to take me 100
hours just to get through the core game (more for side-quests and DLC)
and I just don't want to invest that much time into a single product.
Is there anything else I can play?"

I have no problem with a game being 100 hours if it is good. I don't
really care about a game's length. I only care if it is good or not.
And for me, that is independent from a game's length.

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Mike S <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote at 14:03 this Saturday (GMT):

On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:49:25 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

I've complained about this a lot recently, but I don't think I'm alone
in saying that these gigantic modern games are, frankly, too
exhausting to play. I look at a new game, see it's open world, and
think not, "hey! Cool! Neat!" but, "Oh god, it's going to take me 100
hours just to get through the core game (more for side-quests and DLC)
and I just don't want to invest that much time into a single product.
Is there anything else I can play?"

I have no problem with a game being 100 hours if it is good. I don't
really care about a game's length. I only care if it is good or not.
And for me, that is independent from a game's length.

Same. One of my favorite games (Hypnospace Outlaw) is so short I beat it
in 3 days or so. Absolutely incredible story.
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On 12/07/2024 18:49, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

2) The tech advancement in games is not getting
noticed by the majority of your players, so ask
yourself: is this worth the investment?

Ah this one so my thoughts. I've thought that graphics (that's the tech
that's mainly been chased) are definitely following the trend that
they've been good enough for many years and now it's somewhat of a dead
end in actually adding to the game experience. If I take say Crysis
Warhead (2008), that has a level of graphic fidelity that is more than
adequate enough to immerse me in the game world. Yes I'm sure that it
could be updated to take advantage of modern GPU's but would I enjoy it
more, I very much doubt it.

Where I'd like to see to that 'tech' focused is on more immersive worlds
that aren't just there for you but instead you're apart of it. A simple
example is enemies in FPS'es. I remember being really impressed with the marines in HL:1 were it didn't feel they were just there to be shot but
acted in a more we will hunt you down manner. Fast forward many years
and we don't seem to have progressed any further.

Another one is having NPC's that are more reactive to dialogue choices
to stop this feeling of I'll just go through all the options until I get
to the right one to get what I want.

As an aside I'm not sure I want hyper-realistic graphics. To me playing
a game that effectively mimicked our reality would just feel, well a bit
weird.

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JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote at 13:21 this Monday (GMT):

On 12/07/2024 18:49, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

2) The tech advancement in games is not getting
noticed by the majority of your players, so ask
yourself: is this worth the investment?

Ah this one so my thoughts. I've thought that graphics (that's the tech that's mainly been chased) are definitely following the trend that
they've been good enough for many years and now it's somewhat of a dead
end in actually adding to the game experience. If I take say Crysis
Warhead (2008), that has a level of graphic fidelity that is more than adequate enough to immerse me in the game world. Yes I'm sure that it
could be updated to take advantage of modern GPU's but would I enjoy it
more, I very much doubt it.

Where I'd like to see to that 'tech' focused is on more immersive worlds
that aren't just there for you but instead you're apart of it. A simple example is enemies in FPS'es. I remember being really impressed with the marines in HL:1 were it didn't feel they were just there to be shot but
acted in a more we will hunt you down manner. Fast forward many years
and we don't seem to have progressed any further.

And HL2 was even better :D

Another one is having NPC's that are more reactive to dialogue choices
to stop this feeling of I'll just go through all the options until I get
to the right one to get what I want.

Yeah, like undertale

As an aside I'm not sure I want hyper-realistic graphics. To me playing
a game that effectively mimicked our reality would just feel, well a bit weird.

An "immersive" game doesn't have to be realistic, it just needs to be consistent with its world and have characters you care about
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candycanearter07 wrote:

An "immersive" game doesn't have to be realistic, it just needs to be consistent with its world and have characters you care about

The most immersive game is USENET, where posters squirm this way and
that, jump and duck, doing anything they can to avoid following up one
of your posts. You're tainted!

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In article <lfl2jfF1nesU1@mid.individual.net>, nochsfentor@yahoo.com
says...

candycanearter07 wrote:

An "immersive" game doesn't have to be realistic, it just needs to be consistent with its world and have characters you care about

The most immersive game is USENET, where posters squirm this way and
that, jump and duck, doing anything they can to avoid following up one
of your posts. You're tainted!

Well said.

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Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> wrote at 16:55 this Monday (GMT):

candycanearter07 wrote:

An "immersive" game doesn't have to be realistic, it just needs to be
consistent with its world and have characters you care about

The most immersive game is USENET, where posters squirm this way and
that, jump and duck, doing anything they can to avoid following up one
of your posts. You're tainted!

Am I supposed to set Followup-To or not?? I have gotten conflicting
advice about this from multiple people!
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On 7/16/2024 8:00 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action.]
Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> wrote at 16:55 this Monday (GMT):

candycanearter07 wrote:

An "immersive" game doesn't have to be realistic, it just needs to be
consistent with its world and have characters you care about

The most immersive game is USENET, where posters squirm this way and
that, jump and duck, doing anything they can to avoid following up one
of your posts. You're tainted!

Am I supposed to set Followup-To or not?? I have gotten conflicting
advice about this from multiple people!

If you want replies to your posts in the same newsgroup then you don't
"set" followup-to. It is only used if you want to redirect any replies
to YOUR post to another newsgroup.

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On 15/07/2024 17:30, candycanearter07 wrote:

As an aside I'm not sure I want hyper-realistic graphics. To me playing
a game that effectively mimicked our reality would just feel, well a bit
weird.

An "immersive" game doesn't have to be realistic, it just needs to be consistent with its world and have characters you care about

I find it a bit more subjective than that, so FO:3/NV. I used VATS not
because it was realistic but instead, for whatever reason, it didn't
break the immersion like having some of worst combat animations I've
ever seen were if you didn't use it. Another one I have, characters that
walk up stairs/inclines that aren't level and the bottom of their feet
sink into the ground.

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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 01:03 this Wednesday (GMT):

On 7/16/2024 8:00 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action.]
Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> wrote at 16:55 this Monday (GMT):

candycanearter07 wrote:

An "immersive" game doesn't have to be realistic, it just needs to be
consistent with its world and have characters you care about

The most immersive game is USENET, where posters squirm this way and
that, jump and duck, doing anything they can to avoid following up one
of your posts. You're tainted!

Am I supposed to set Followup-To or not?? I have gotten conflicting
advice about this from multiple people!

If you want replies to your posts in the same newsgroup then you don't
"set" followup-to. It is only used if you want to redirect any replies
to YOUR post to another newsgroup.

Right, but is it "proper" to set it or not? What are the rules here??
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On 7/17/2024 8:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 01:03 this Wednesday (GMT):

On 7/16/2024 8:00 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action.]
Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> wrote at 16:55 this Monday (GMT):

candycanearter07 wrote:

An "immersive" game doesn't have to be realistic, it just needs to be >>>>> consistent with its world and have characters you care about

The most immersive game is USENET, where posters squirm this way and
that, jump and duck, doing anything they can to avoid following up one >>>> of your posts. You're tainted!

Am I supposed to set Followup-To or not?? I have gotten conflicting
advice about this from multiple people!

If you want replies to your posts in the same newsgroup then you don't
"set" followup-to. It is only used if you want to redirect any replies
to YOUR post to another newsgroup.

Right, but is it "proper" to set it or not? What are the rules here??

There aren't any rules. Trolls will tend to set follow-ups to other
newsgroups so they don't receive the flames others try to sent to them
and to set up a flame war between groups. But there are also perfectly reasonable uses to set follow-ups, such as trying to redirect a thread
that is off-topic in one group to another group where it will be on-topic.

Zersterer is being a troll. Go look at his post again and you will see
that HE set up a follow-up to send replies to him to alt.slack and talk.bizarre. For the most part there is little reason to use
follow-ups. You just need to be careful about OTHERS using it to try to
stir up trouble. Other than that YOU CAN JUST IGNORE IT.

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On 18/07/2024 02:11, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

Zersterer is being a troll.  Go look at his post again and you will see
that HE set up a follow-up to send replies to him to alt.slack and talk.bizarre.  For the most part there is little reason to use
follow-ups.  You just need to be careful about OTHERS using it to try to stir up trouble.  Other than that YOU CAN JUST IGNORE IT.

Ta, I missed that's what he had done. Don't they have FB groups to troll?

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JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote at 06:22 this Thursday (GMT):

On 18/07/2024 02:11, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

Zersterer is being a troll.  Go look at his post again and you will see
that HE set up a follow-up to send replies to him to alt.slack and
talk.bizarre.  For the most part there is little reason to use
follow-ups.  You just need to be careful about OTHERS using it to try to
stir up trouble.  Other than that YOU CAN JUST IGNORE IT.

Ta, I missed that's what he had done. Don't they have FB groups to troll?

Oh, sorry.
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On 7/18/2024 10:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:

JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote at 06:22 this Thursday (GMT):

On 18/07/2024 02:11, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

Zersterer is being a troll.  Go look at his post again and you will see >>> that HE set up a follow-up to send replies to him to alt.slack and
talk.bizarre.  For the most part there is little reason to use
follow-ups.  You just need to be careful about OTHERS using it to try to >>> stir up trouble.  Other than that YOU CAN JUST IGNORE IT.

Ta, I missed that's what he had done. Don't they have FB groups to troll?

Oh, sorry.

Don't be, its not your fault. We've all fallen for that many times.
99.99% of the time you don't have to worry about it.

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On 18/07/2024 18:40, candycanearter07 wrote:

JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote at 06:22 this Thursday (GMT):

On 18/07/2024 02:11, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

Zersterer is being a troll.  Go look at his post again and you will see >>> that HE set up a follow-up to send replies to him to alt.slack and
talk.bizarre.  For the most part there is little reason to use
follow-ups.  You just need to be careful about OTHERS using it to try to >>> stir up trouble.  Other than that YOU CAN JUST IGNORE IT.

Ta, I missed that's what he had done. Don't they have FB groups to troll?

Oh, sorry.

As DT said, nothing to be sorry for as it happens. I didn't spot what
they'd done either but I did have my suspicions that they were a troll
from the general tone of their posts.

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On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:02:25 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

As DT said, nothing to be sorry for as it happens. I didn't spot what
they'd done either but I did have my suspicions that they were a troll
from the general tone of their posts.

Yep. The general tone is what clued me in as well. Probably comes from
reading usenet for several decades.

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Mike S. wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:02:25 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

As DT said, nothing to be sorry for as it happens. I didn't spot what
they'd done either but I did have my suspicions that they were a troll >>from the general tone of their posts.

Yep. The general tone is what clued me in as well. Probably comes from reading usenet for several decades.

Yes we all become trolls after a few decades.

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Mike S <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote at 12:55 this Friday (GMT):

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:02:25 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

As DT said, nothing to be sorry for as it happens. I didn't spot what >>they'd done either but I did have my suspicions that they were a troll
from the general tone of their posts.

Yep. The general tone is what clued me in as well. Probably comes from reading usenet for several decades.

Ah, ok ^^ I've only been here for a little less than a year.
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On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 14:50:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

Mike S <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote at 12:55 this Friday (GMT):

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:02:25 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

As DT said, nothing to be sorry for as it happens. I didn't spot what >>>they'd done either but I did have my suspicions that they were a troll >>>from the general tone of their posts.

Yep. The general tone is what clued me in as well. Probably comes from
reading usenet for several decades.

Ah, ok ^^ I've only been here for a little less than a year.

What brought you here initially? I find the idea of someone trying
Usenet for the first time in the early 2020s as fascinating.

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On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 11:08:05 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
<rstowleigh@x-nospam-x.com> wrote:

What brought you here initially? I find the idea of someone trying
Usenet for the first time in the early 2020s as fascinating.

I hope he answers you, I am curious about this myself.

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% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in news:cN-dnTIdY- ryIgf7nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com:

Zersterer wrote:

Mike S. wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:02:25 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

As DT said, nothing to be sorry for as it happens. I didn't spot what
they'd done either but I did have my suspicions that they were a troll >>>> from the general tone of their posts.

Yep. The general tone is what clued me in as well. Probably comes from
reading usenet for several decades.

Yes we all become trolls after a few decades.

i hit the ground trolling

Because you're a lowlife shut-in loser who has no life and nothing better
to do. LOL!

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% wrote:

Brennus wrote:

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in news:cN-dnTIdY-
ryIgf7nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com:

Zersterer wrote:

Mike S. wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:02:25 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

As DT said, nothing to be sorry for as it happens. I didn't spot what >>>>>> they'd done either but I did have my suspicions that they were a
troll
from the general tone of their posts.

Yep. The general tone is what clued me in as well. Probably comes from >>>>> reading usenet for several decades.

Yes we all become trolls after a few decades.

i hit the ground trolling

Because you're a lowlife shut-in loser who has no life and nothing better
to do.  LOL!

ok but i'm good at it you suck at everything

SKyfox for the C-64 is the best action game I ever played. I was better
than everyone else. I know this is off topic here, but Commodore
Jameson was the only action game of any value in town.

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On 7/19/2024 4:14 PM, % wrote:

Brennus wrote:

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in news:cN-dnTIdY-
ryIgf7nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com:

Zersterer wrote:

Mike S. wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:02:25 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

As DT said, nothing to be sorry for as it happens. I didn't spot what >>>>>> they'd done either but I did have my suspicions that they were a
troll
from the general tone of their posts.

Yep. The general tone is what clued me in as well. Probably comes from >>>>> reading usenet for several decades.

Yes we all become trolls after a few decades.

i hit the ground trolling

Because you're a lowlife shut-in loser who has no life and nothing better
to do.  LOL!

ok but i'm good at it you suck at everything

They just made a lezbo the top general in the Canadian armed forces.
LMAO!

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% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in news:DSadndUh9Kijhwb7nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@giganews.com:

Fartass Dillinger wrote:

On 7/19/2024 4:14 PM, % wrote:

Brennus wrote:

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in news:cN-dnTIdY-
ryIgf7nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com:

Zersterer wrote:

Mike S. wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:02:25 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com>
wrote:

As DT said, nothing to be sorry for as it happens. I didn't
spot what
they'd done either but I did have my suspicions that they were >>>>>>>> a troll
from the general tone of their posts.

Yep. The general tone is what clued me in as well. Probably
comes from
reading usenet for several decades.

Yes we all become trolls after a few decades.

i hit the ground trolling

Because you're a lowlife shut-in loser who has no life and nothing
better
to do.  LOL!

ok but i'm good at it you suck at everything

They just made a lezbo the top general in the Canadian armed forces.
LMAO!

better than a female govenor

No it's not. Governors are kings of little shit-holes like South Dakota
and don't mean shit.

Why are Canadians are afraid of a lezbo attack? LOL!

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Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 7/19/2024 8:24 PM, % wrote:

Brennus wrote:

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
news:DSadndUh9Kijhwb7nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@giganews.com:

Fartass Dillinger wrote:

On 7/19/2024 4:14 PM, % wrote:

Brennus wrote:

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in news:cN-dnTIdY-
ryIgf7nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com:

Zersterer wrote:

Mike S. wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:02:25 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

As DT said, nothing to be sorry for as it happens. I didn't >>>>>>>>>>> spot what
they'd done either but I did have my suspicions that they were >>>>>>>>>>> a troll
from the general tone of their posts.

Yep. The general tone is what clued me in as well. Probably >>>>>>>>>> comes from
reading usenet for several decades.

Yes we all become trolls after a few decades.

i hit the ground trolling

Because you're a lowlife shut-in loser who has no life and nothing >>>>>>> better
to do.  LOL!

ok but i'm good at it you suck at everything

They just made a lezbo the top general in the Canadian armed forces. >>>>> LMAO!

better than a female govenor

No it's not.  Governors are kings of little shit-holes like South Dakota >>> and don't mean shit.

Why are Canadians are afraid of a lezbo attack?  LOL!

i don't know why canadians do anything ,
i don't follow politics and i've never voted in my life

And yet you still complain about what your government does.

I can't remember that happening and I've been here 45 years.

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In article <lg2np3F45qnU1@mid.individual.net>, nochsfentor@yahoo.com
says...

Zersterer wrote:

Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 7/19/2024 8:24 PM, % wrote:

Brennus wrote:

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
news:DSadndUh9Kijhwb7nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@giganews.com:

Fartass Dillinger wrote:

On 7/19/2024 4:14 PM, % wrote:

Brennus wrote:

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in news:cN-dnTIdY-
ryIgf7nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com:

Zersterer wrote:

Mike S. wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:02:25 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

As DT said, nothing to be sorry for as it happens. I didn't >>>>>>>>>>>> spot what
they'd done either but I did have my suspicions that they were >>>>>>>>>>>> a troll
from the general tone of their posts.

Yep. The general tone is what clued me in as well. Probably >>>>>>>>>>> comes from
reading usenet for several decades.

Yes we all become trolls after a few decades.

i hit the ground trolling

Because you're a lowlife shut-in loser who has no life and nothing >>>>>>>> better
to do.  LOL!

ok but i'm good at it you suck at everything

They just made a lezbo the top general in the Canadian armed forces. >>>>>> LMAO!

better than a female govenor

No it's not.  Governors are kings of little shit-holes like South
Dakota
and don't mean shit.

Why are Canadians are afraid of a lezbo attack?  LOL!

i don't know why canadians do anything ,
i don't follow politics and i've never voted in my life

And yet you still complain about what your government does.

I can't remember that happening and I've been here 45 years.

I've been here 90 years, I'm that guy from the Unforgiven video by Mattellica.

Yea well I invented usenet

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Zersterer wrote:

Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 7/19/2024 8:24 PM, % wrote:

Brennus wrote:

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
news:DSadndUh9Kijhwb7nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@giganews.com:

Fartass Dillinger wrote:

On 7/19/2024 4:14 PM, % wrote:

Brennus wrote:

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in news:cN-dnTIdY-
ryIgf7nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com:

Zersterer wrote:

Mike S. wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:02:25 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

As DT said, nothing to be sorry for as it happens. I didn't >>>>>>>>>>>> spot what
they'd done either but I did have my suspicions that they were >>>>>>>>>>>> a troll
from the general tone of their posts.

Yep. The general tone is what clued me in as well. Probably >>>>>>>>>>> comes from
reading usenet for several decades.

Yes we all become trolls after a few decades.

i hit the ground trolling

Because you're a lowlife shut-in loser who has no life and nothing >>>>>>>> better
to do.  LOL!

ok but i'm good at it you suck at everything

They just made a lezbo the top general in the Canadian armed forces. >>>>>> LMAO!

better than a female govenor

No it's not.  Governors are kings of little shit-holes like South
Dakota
and don't mean shit.

Why are Canadians are afraid of a lezbo attack?  LOL!

i don't know why canadians do anything ,
i don't follow politics and i've never voted in my life

And yet you still complain about what your government does.

I can't remember that happening and I've been here 45 years.

I've been here 90 years, I'm that guy from the Unforgiven video by
Mattellica.

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In article <gtecncAxR5kEsQH7nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>, pursent100 @gmail.com says...

Skeeter wrote:

In article <lg2np3F45qnU1@mid.individual.net>, nochsfentor@yahoo.com says...

Zersterer wrote:

Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 7/19/2024 8:24 PM, % wrote:

Brennus wrote:

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
news:DSadndUh9Kijhwb7nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@giganews.com:

Fartass Dillinger wrote:

On 7/19/2024 4:14 PM, % wrote:

Brennus wrote:

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in news:cN-dnTIdY-
ryIgf7nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com:

Zersterer wrote:

Mike S. wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:02:25 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

As DT said, nothing to be sorry for as it happens. I didn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spot what
they'd done either but I did have my suspicions that they were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a troll
from the general tone of their posts.

Yep. The general tone is what clued me in as well. Probably >>>>>>>>>>>>> comes from
reading usenet for several decades.

Yes we all become trolls after a few decades.

i hit the ground trolling

Because you're a lowlife shut-in loser who has no life and nothing >>>>>>>>>> better
to do.  LOL!

ok but i'm good at it you suck at everything

They just made a lezbo the top general in the Canadian armed forces. >>>>>>>> LMAO!

better than a female govenor

No it's not.  Governors are kings of little shit-holes like South >>>>>> Dakota
and don't mean shit.

Why are Canadians are afraid of a lezbo attack?  LOL!

i don't know why canadians do anything ,
i don't follow politics and i've never voted in my life

And yet you still complain about what your government does.

I can't remember that happening and I've been here 45 years.

I've been here 90 years, I'm that guy from the Unforgiven video by
Mattellica.

Yea well I invented usenet

remember when i said ash was about to change

you have never been wrong

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In article <tOOdnYdTLrf2wQH7nZ2dnZfqn_QAAAAA@giganews.com>, pursent100 @gmail.com says...

Skeeter wrote:

In article <gtecncAxR5kEsQH7nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>, pursent100 @gmail.com says...

Skeeter wrote:

In article <lg2np3F45qnU1@mid.individual.net>, nochsfentor@yahoo.com
says...

Zersterer wrote:

Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 7/19/2024 8:24 PM, % wrote:

Brennus wrote:

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
news:DSadndUh9Kijhwb7nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@giganews.com:

Fartass Dillinger wrote:

On 7/19/2024 4:14 PM, % wrote:

Brennus wrote:

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in news:cN-dnTIdY-
ryIgf7nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com:

Zersterer wrote:

Mike S. wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:02:25 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

As DT said, nothing to be sorry for as it happens. I didn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spot what
they'd done either but I did have my suspicions that they were
a troll
from the general tone of their posts.

Yep. The general tone is what clued me in as well. Probably >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes from
reading usenet for several decades.

Yes we all become trolls after a few decades.

i hit the ground trolling

Because you're a lowlife shut-in loser who has no life and nothing
better
to do.  LOL!

ok but i'm good at it you suck at everything

They just made a lezbo the top general in the Canadian armed forces.
LMAO!

better than a female govenor

No it's not.  Governors are kings of little shit-holes like South >>>>>>>> Dakota
and don't mean shit.

Why are Canadians are afraid of a lezbo attack?  LOL!

i don't know why canadians do anything ,
i don't follow politics and i've never voted in my life

And yet you still complain about what your government does.

I can't remember that happening and I've been here 45 years.

I've been here 90 years, I'm that guy from the Unforgiven video by
Mattellica.

Yea well I invented usenet

remember when i said ash was about to change

you have never been wrong

now i forget why i asked

me too what

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On 19/07/2024 13:55, Mike S. wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:02:25 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

As DT said, nothing to be sorry for as it happens. I didn't spot what
they'd done either but I did have my suspicions that they were a troll >>from the general tone of their posts.

Yep. The general tone is what clued me in as well. Probably comes from reading usenet for several decades.

Generally I'm quite charitable with people's intentions but that one, it
was a bit of a red flag.

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On 7/17/2024 6:11 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 7/17/2024 8:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 01:03 this Wednesday
(GMT):

On 7/16/2024 8:00 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action.]
Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> wrote at 16:55 this Monday (GMT):

candycanearter07 wrote:

An "immersive" game doesn't have to be realistic, it just needs to be >>>>>> consistent with its world and have characters you care about

The most immersive game is USENET, where posters squirm this way and >>>>> that, jump and duck, doing anything they can to avoid following up one >>>>> of your posts.  You're tainted!

Am I supposed to set Followup-To or not?? I have gotten conflicting
advice about this from multiple people!

If you want replies to your posts in the same newsgroup then you don't
"set" followup-to.  It is only used if you want to redirect any replies >>> to YOUR post to another newsgroup.

Right, but is it "proper" to set it or not? What are the rules here??

There aren't any rules.  Trolls will tend to set follow-ups to other newsgroups so they don't receive the flames others try to sent to them
and to set up a flame war between groups.  But there are also perfectly reasonable uses to set follow-ups, such as trying to redirect a thread
that is off-topic in one group to another group where it will be on-topic.

Zersterer is being a troll.  Go look at his post again and you will see
that HE set up a follow-up to send replies to him to alt.slack and talk.bizarre.  For the most part there is little reason to use
follow-ups.  You just need to be careful about OTHERS using it to try to stir up trouble.  Other than that YOU CAN JUST IGNORE IT.

Wow, we've got trolls again?!? We're back to proper Usenet now!

His message screamed troll to me too.

To be fair, Zer is only being half-troll as he's showing you that only*
trolls use followup-to (to other groups.)

*hyperbole

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Mike S <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote at 19:03 this Friday (GMT):

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 11:08:05 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
<rstowleigh@x-nospam-x.com> wrote:

What brought you here initially? I find the idea of someone trying
Usenet for the first time in the early 2020s as fascinating.

I hope he answers you, I am curious about this myself.

aa sorry, travel and being sick

I found out that usenet servers were still up bc i was experimenting
with BBS's in early 2023 and one of them had setup to link to usenet
which peaked my interest

I'm really into kinda old tech stuff as long as I don't have to pay for
new hardware (dont really have a lotta money) but I do have a HP-71B I
got for like 20$ which was cool
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On 7/28/2024 6:40 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:

Mike S <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote at 19:03 this Friday (GMT):

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 11:08:05 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
<rstowleigh@x-nospam-x.com> wrote:

What brought you here initially? I find the idea of someone trying
Usenet for the first time in the early 2020s as fascinating.

I hope he answers you, I am curious about this myself.

aa sorry, travel and being sick

I found out that usenet servers were still up bc i was experimenting
with BBS's in early 2023 and one of them had setup to link to usenet
which peaked my interest

I'm really into kinda old tech stuff as long as I don't have to pay for
new hardware (dont really have a lotta money) but I do have a HP-71B I
got for like 20$ which was cool

I'd read old scientific calculators are worth a lot before, but looking
that up it's going for $550-600 on ebay! Wow!

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Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 14:50 this Monday (GMT):

On 7/28/2024 6:40 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:

Mike S <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote at 19:03 this Friday (GMT):

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 11:08:05 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
<rstowleigh@x-nospam-x.com> wrote:

What brought you here initially? I find the idea of someone trying
Usenet for the first time in the early 2020s as fascinating.

I hope he answers you, I am curious about this myself.

aa sorry, travel and being sick

I found out that usenet servers were still up bc i was experimenting
with BBS's in early 2023 and one of them had setup to link to usenet
which peaked my interest

I'm really into kinda old tech stuff as long as I don't have to pay for
new hardware (dont really have a lotta money) but I do have a HP-71B I
got for like 20$ which was cool

I'd read old scientific calculators are worth a lot before, but looking
that up it's going for $550-600 on ebay! Wow!

yeah :D it was an incredibly good deal
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