In the UK my understanding is that arbitration courts exist* but they
can only be used for a civil offences if both parties agree including
who will be the arbitrator.
On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 09:07:14 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
On 28/09/2024 01:32, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
[Fortunately, in many civilized --read, outside the USA--
jurisdictions, forced arbitration is either illegal or
greatly restricted. So if you're in the UK, Australia
or many countries of the EU, any EULAs either won't have
any forced arbitration clauses, or if they do, those
clauses are unenforceable]
I did read about these rules in relation to Disney trying to claim that
as a husband had signed to to Disney+ many years ago he couldn't take
them to court after she died when they visited Disney World. My first
thought was, that's not a good look you're putting forward there Disney
and my second thought was, heh you can force people to go to
arbitration, how is that even legal.
Yeah, that's a really fascinating case. A woman died due to a severe
allergy reaction at a restaurant on Disney grounds. The restaurant not
only specified that their food was allergen free on their
(Disney-sponsored) website, but assured the woman in person that the
meal she ordered didn't have any of the forbidden foods in it. The
family sued the restaurant (which was actually an independent company
that was providing food services for Disney) for negligence, and
Disney got roped into the case because Disney's website vouched for
the restaurant.
Meanwhile, Disney argued that because the defendants had only found
this information using their Disney account (it's a shared account
that offers access not only to the Disney+ TV and film library, but
also can be used for ticketing and reservations on Disney websites),
the forced arbitration clause of Disney+ bound the people... despite
the fact the actual reservation wasn't made through Disney+.
Elon Musk also tried to use forced arbitration on his (former) Twitter employees after they sued him for not giving them their severance
payments in a timely manner. But, like Steam, he had to back down when
the sheer number of arbitration claims made the costs skyrocket so it
would have cost more than actually just paying the severance. (Musk is
not the brightest of bulbs).
JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
In the UK my understanding is that arbitration courts exist* but they
can only be used for a civil offences if both parties agree including
who will be the arbitrator.
It the same in the US and other countries. In this case, both parties,
Valve and the Steam user, agreed to use a certain arbitration service to resolve any disputes. That happened when the user agreed to the Steam Subscriber Agreement.
Elon Musk also tried to use forced arbitration on his (former) TwitterI don't think Musk is stupid, he just has a colossal ego and is
employees after they sued him for not giving them their severance
payments in a timely manner. But, like Steam, he had to back down when
the sheer number of arbitration claims made the costs skyrocket so it
would have cost more than actually just paying the severance. (Musk is
not the brightest of bulbs).
something of a bully.
On 28/09/2024 15:35, Ross Ridge wrote:
JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
In the UK my understanding is that arbitration courts exist* but they
can only be used for a civil offences if both parties agree including
who will be the arbitrator.
It the same in the US and other countries. In this case, both parties,
Valve and the Steam user, agreed to use a certain arbitration service to
resolve any disputes. That happened when the user agreed to the Steam
Subscriber Agreement.
In the UK you just can't do that in general as the principle is you
can't sign away your rights just because the shop says so regardless of
what you sign/agree to. There has to be a law in place that specially
says you can sign away an individual right and even then it still has to
met the criteria of could someone reasonable expect it. So no, burying
it in ten pages of texts just doesn't work.
On 28/09/2024 17:59, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
Elon Musk also tried to use forced arbitration on his (former) TwitterI don't think Musk is stupid, he just has a colossal ego and is
employees after they sued him for not giving them their severance
payments in a timely manner. But, like Steam, he had to back down when
the sheer number of arbitration claims made the costs skyrocket so it
would have cost more than actually just paying the severance. (Musk is
not the brightest of bulbs).
something of a bully.
I don't think he's stupid as such but instead his over inflated ego and position of power makes he say and do stupid things bordering on the unhinged. Something I read about off the record comments from senior
people at Space X is their job is as much to do with building spacecraft
as it is to steering Musk away from making any real decisions.
Then there is the recent temper tantrum he's thrown as he wasn't invited
to a tech. summit by the UK government due to comments he made during
our riots and subsequently. Think of it as , well I didn't want to go to
your party anyway so I'm glad you didn't invite me.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/sep/26/elon-musk-uk- government-invite-tech-summit
On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 09:47:41 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
On 28/09/2024 17:59, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
Elon Musk also tried to use forced arbitration on his (former) Twitter >>>> employees after they sued him for not giving them their severanceI don't think Musk is stupid, he just has a colossal ego and is
payments in a timely manner. But, like Steam, he had to back down when >>>> the sheer number of arbitration claims made the costs skyrocket so it
would have cost more than actually just paying the severance. (Musk is >>>> not the brightest of bulbs).
something of a bully.
I don't think he's stupid as such but instead his over inflated ego and
position of power makes he say and do stupid things bordering on the
unhinged. Something I read about off the record comments from senior
people at Space X is their job is as much to do with building spacecraft
as it is to steering Musk away from making any real decisions.
Then there is the recent temper tantrum he's thrown as he wasn't invited
to a tech. summit by the UK government due to comments he made during
our riots and subsequently. Think of it as , well I didn't want to go to
your party anyway so I'm glad you didn't invite me.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/sep/26/elon-musk-uk-government-invite-tech-summit
Stupid, no. But not the genius some people attest. His skills
certainly are not in engineering; he is (or was) a people-person. His
skill is in schmoozing and getting people to believe in his dreams.
Worthy talents, sure, but he's often held up as a modern day Thomas
Edison* and that Musk is not.
Especially not recently. Musk was _never_ entirely stable -he was
always a bit of a narcissistic asshole- but he's gone off the deep-end recently. There are many suspicions that he has a very destructive
ketamine habit that is fueling his downfall.
Musk is a rich kid who had dreams of a sci-fi future, and has the
money to try and make those dreams a reality. Mostly by hiring people
with the actual talent to create that future.
--------------------------
* And Edision himself was far less a genius than often credited,
although Edison at least had _some_ technical accumen to go with his
ruthless business savy.
On 9/29/2024 1:47 AM, JAB wrote:
On 28/09/2024 17:59, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
Elon Musk also tried to use forced arbitration on his (former) Twitter >>>> employees after they sued him for not giving them their severanceI don't think Musk is stupid, he just has a colossal ego and is
payments in a timely manner. But, like Steam, he had to back down when >>>> the sheer number of arbitration claims made the costs skyrocket so it
would have cost more than actually just paying the severance. (Musk is >>>> not the brightest of bulbs).
something of a bully.
I don't think he's stupid as such but instead his over inflated ego
and position of power makes he say and do stupid things bordering on
the unhinged. Something I read about off the record comments from
senior people at Space X is their job is as much to do with building
spacecraft as it is to steering Musk away from making any real decisions.
Then there is the recent temper tantrum he's thrown as he wasn't
invited to a tech. summit by the UK government due to comments he made
during our riots and subsequently. Think of it as , well I didn't want
to go to your party anyway so I'm glad you didn't invite me.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/sep/26/elon-musk-uk-
government-invite-tech-summit
Ya, and his deliberate picking a fight with Brazil. He really thinks he
is untouchable and can do whatever he wants regardless of the laws anywhere. Free Speech Absolutist, as long as he can control who gets to
use the medium used for Free Speech.
On 9/29/2024 1:38 AM, JAB wrote:
On 28/09/2024 15:35, Ross Ridge wrote:
JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
In the UK my understanding is that arbitration courts exist* but they
can only be used for a civil offences if both parties agree including
who will be the arbitrator.
It the same in the US and other countries. In this case, both parties, >>> Valve and the Steam user, agreed to use a certain arbitration service to >>> resolve any disputes. That happened when the user agreed to the Steam
Subscriber Agreement.
In the UK you just can't do that in general as the principle is you
can't sign away your rights just because the shop says so regardless
of what you sign/agree to. There has to be a law in place that
specially says you can sign away an individual right and even then it
still has to met the criteria of could someone reasonable expect it.
So no, burying it in ten pages of texts just doesn't work.
Well, Europe (including the UK) isn't as tightly in the grip of the Mega-Corps as the US is.
Musk is a rich kid who had dreams of a sci-fi future, and has the
money to try and make those dreams a reality. Mostly by hiring people
with the actual talent to create that future.
--------------------------
* And Edision himself was far less a genius than often credited,
although Edison at least had _some_ technical accumen to go with his
ruthless business savy.
Enough to know who to hire and who not to.
On 30/09/2024 03:35, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
Musk is a rich kid who had dreams of a sci-fi future, and has the
money to try and make those dreams a reality. Mostly by hiring people
with the actual talent to create that future.
--------------------------
* And Edision himself was far less a genius than often credited,
although Edison at least had _some_ technical accumen to go with his
ruthless business savy.
Enough to know who to hire and who not to.
I wonder if part of the interview is getting the candidates to convince
the interviewer that although they think Musk is a bit of a idiot they
can do a good impression of thinking he's god.
On 30/09/2024 03:34, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 9/29/2024 1:47 AM, JAB wrote:
On 28/09/2024 17:59, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
Elon Musk also tried to use forced arbitration on his (former) Twitter >>>>> employees after they sued him for not giving them their severanceI don't think Musk is stupid, he just has a colossal ego and is
payments in a timely manner. But, like Steam, he had to back down when >>>>> the sheer number of arbitration claims made the costs skyrocket so it >>>>> would have cost more than actually just paying the severance. (Musk is >>>>> not the brightest of bulbs).
something of a bully.
I don't think he's stupid as such but instead his over inflated ego
and position of power makes he say and do stupid things bordering on
the unhinged. Something I read about off the record comments from
senior people at Space X is their job is as much to do with building
spacecraft as it is to steering Musk away from making any real
decisions.
Then there is the recent temper tantrum he's thrown as he wasn't
invited to a tech. summit by the UK government due to comments he
made during our riots and subsequently. Think of it as , well I
didn't want to go to your party anyway so I'm glad you didn't invite me. >>>
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/sep/26/elon-musk-uk-
government-invite-tech-summit
Ya, and his deliberate picking a fight with Brazil. He really thinks
he is untouchable and can do whatever he wants regardless of the laws
anywhere. Free Speech Absolutist, as long as he can control who gets
to use the medium used for Free Speech.
It's pretty common amongst those who claim to support freedom of
expression, what they mean is I can say what I like without consequences
but you can only say things I agree with.
We have a so called news channel called GB News (also know as Gammon
Brexit News) which is basically a mouth piece to push very right wing politics and also flirts with the far right. They were complaining that
their freedom of expression was being suppressed as companies were
pulling their advertising as they didn't want to be associated with a organisation that dog whistles about 'British values' for we don't like non-white people being in the country. The thought that companies were choosing to use their own freedom of expression seemed to be beyond them.
is the biggest example, although his ridiculous Cybertruck is a close
second.
On 28/09/2024 17:59, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
Elon Musk also tried to use forced arbitration on his (former) TwitterI don't think Musk is stupid, he just has a colossal ego and is
employees after they sued him for not giving them their severance
payments in a timely manner. But, like Steam, he had to back down when
the sheer number of arbitration claims made the costs skyrocket so it
would have cost more than actually just paying the severance. (Musk is
not the brightest of bulbs).
something of a bully.
I don't think he's stupid as such but instead his over inflated ego and position of power makes he say and do stupid things bordering on the unhinged. Something I read about off the record comments from senior
people at Space X is their job is as much to do with building spacecraft
as it is to steering Musk away from making any real decisions.
Then there is the recent temper tantrum he's thrown as he wasn't invited
to a tech. summit by the UK government due to comments he made during
our riots and subsequently. Think of it as , well I didn't want to go to
your party anyway so I'm glad you didn't invite me.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/sep/26/elon-musk-uk-government-invite-tech-summit
[Fortunately, in many civilized --read, outside the USA--
jurisdictions, forced arbitration is either illegal or
greatly restricted. So if you're in the UK, Australia
or many countries of the EU, any EULAs either won't have
any forced arbitration clauses, or if they do, those
clauses are unenforceable]
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