* there's an article about it here >https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/props-for-the-honesty-tim-sweeney-says-the-reason-people-characterize-the-epic-games-launcher-as-clunky-is-wait-for-it-because-the-epic-games-launcher-is-clunky/
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 10:47:05 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
* there's an article about it here >>https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/props-for-the-honesty-tim-sweeney-says-the-reason-people-characterize-the-epic-games-launcher-as-clunky-is-wait-for-it-because-the-epic-games-launcher-is-clunky/
Read the article. He still doesn't get it.
Admitting the problem is the first step, but then he went on to whine
about Steam's "anticompetitive" practices, its "siloing," and how Epic
will do better with their approach (in "emergent" cross-platform support services). Spoiler-alert: It's not emergent. Been here for years.
It's sour grapes. Steam is hardly lock-in. He needs to mimic Steam's
software approach as much as possible. Once that is working, for reals, *then* cross-platform becomes a thing. Does. Not. Get. It.
"Your client sucks, Sweeney. You are not a destination for mainstream
gaming. No amount of speculative disruptive strategy is going to work
while that is still the case. Shelve the 4D, MBA, C-suite chess and
deliver an attractive, working product." ~Zag to Sweeney, 6/7/25
It's like watching a run-down bodega owner bitch about how bad Walmart
is.
Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote at 18:34 this Saturday (GMT):
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 10:47:05 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
* there's an article about it here >>>https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/props-for-the-honesty-tim-sweeney-says-the-reason-people-characterize-the-epic-games-launcher-as-clunky-is-wait-for-it-because-the-epic-games-launcher-is-clunky/
Read the article. He still doesn't get it.
Admitting the problem is the first step, but then he went on to whine
about Steam's "anticompetitive" practices, its "siloing," and how Epic
will do better with their approach (in "emergent" cross-platform support
services). Spoiler-alert: It's not emergent. Been here for years.
It's sour grapes. Steam is hardly lock-in. He needs to mimic Steam's
software approach as much as possible. Once that is working, for reals,
*then* cross-platform becomes a thing. Does. Not. Get. It.
"Your client sucks, Sweeney. You are not a destination for mainstream
gaming. No amount of speculative disruptive strategy is going to work
while that is still the case. Shelve the 4D, MBA, C-suite chess and
deliver an attractive, working product." ~Zag to Sweeney, 6/7/25
It's like watching a run-down bodega owner bitch about how bad Walmart
is.
"Piracy is not a money issue, its a distribution issue"
Valve/Gabe Newell really seems to be one of the few companies to
legitimately care about the user experience, and its funny to see other >companies barely try and complain about Steam's success.
Not to say Valve is perfect...
On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 17:50:02 -0000 (UTC), in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, candycanearter07 wrote:
Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote at 18:34 this Saturday (GMT):Yup. We don't care if Gabe provides a better product that people like, we have a disruptive theory that should be a Steamkiller, but for that
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 10:47:05 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
* there's an article about it here >>>>https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/props-for-the-honesty-tim-sweeney-says-the-reason-people-characterize-the-epic-games-launcher-as-clunky-is-wait-for-it-because-the-epic-games-launcher-is-clunky/
Read the article. He still doesn't get it.
Admitting the problem is the first step, but then he went on to whine
about Steam's "anticompetitive" practices, its "siloing," and how Epic
will do better with their approach (in "emergent" cross-platform support >>> services). Spoiler-alert: It's not emergent. Been here for years.
It's sour grapes. Steam is hardly lock-in. He needs to mimic Steam's
software approach as much as possible. Once that is working, for reals,
*then* cross-platform becomes a thing. Does. Not. Get. It.
"Your client sucks, Sweeney. You are not a destination for mainstream
gaming. No amount of speculative disruptive strategy is going to work
while that is still the case. Shelve the 4D, MBA, C-suite chess and
deliver an attractive, working product." ~Zag to Sweeney, 6/7/25
It's like watching a run-down bodega owner bitch about how bad Walmart
is.
"Piracy is not a money issue, its a distribution issue"
Valve/Gabe Newell really seems to be one of the few companies to >>legitimately care about the user experience, and its funny to see other >>companies barely try and complain about Steam's success.
product. Boo!, product that people like. Yah, right.
Not to say Valve is perfect...
Never perfect, but when Valve finally put reasonable refund policies in place, I now have most of the consumer rights from the early 80's when I could bring games back to the store for a 10-day limited refund, no
questions asked.
It's all I ever really wanted in the first place. If a game sucks,
performs poorly, or is somehow incompatible, I want a refund. That basic principle was rescinded in the mid-80s.
Game sharing is reasonably good on Steam too. Those were my two big asks.
That the CP/DRM doesn't compromise my machine with a sketchy kernel-level driver is good too.
But Steam's about as "siloed" and "locked down" as a brick-and-mortar
store that locks up at closing, ie: As much as it needs to be. The best decision Gabe made was to mostly stop making games. Steam really is, for
the most part, a store. That means it has to be a good experience.
Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote at 21:39 this Monday (GMT):<snip>
On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 17:50:02 -0000 (UTC), in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
candycanearter07 wrote:
Game sharing is reasonably good on Steam too. Those were my two big asks.
Oh yea, I never used Steam Family, but from what I heard it works pretty >well.
As loathe as I am to compliment Valve... the Family Sharing/is/
pretty good. I use it not only to share my account with other family
members (two of whom are quite some distance away from me, yet Valve
hasn't raised an eyebrow), but also to share my games with my other
computers (so I can play two games simultaneously in the same
household... which sometimes happens when I'm benchmarking, or when
I've friends over).
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 09:05:54 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JAB >wrote:
On 14/06/2025 00:46, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
As loathe as I am to compliment Valve... the Family Sharing/is/
pretty good. I use it not only to share my account with other family
members (two of whom are quite some distance away from me, yet Valve
hasn't raised an eyebrow), but also to share my games with my other
computers (so I can play two games simultaneously in the same
household... which sometimes happens when I'm benchmarking, or when
I've friends over).
I remember when Netflix said they were going to start cracking down on >>account sharing outside of a household and the amount of moaning about
how unfair it was. To me it seemed quite simple, it was never intended
for that (I think that's entirely reasonable) so you really can't
complain.
^This
The entitled desire of some to justify their "free lunch" is staggering.
Same goes for piracy and illegal mass distribution of copyrighted works.
Other services *do* offer a sharing option. It's often a little bit more >money. That's how it works. That Valve does it for free is a blessing.
On 14/06/2025 00:46, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
As loathe as I am to compliment Valve... the Family Sharing/is/
pretty good. I use it not only to share my account with other family
members (two of whom are quite some distance away from me, yet Valve
hasn't raised an eyebrow), but also to share my games with my other
computers (so I can play two games simultaneously in the same
household... which sometimes happens when I'm benchmarking, or when
I've friends over).
I remember when Netflix said they were going to start cracking down on >account sharing outside of a household and the amount of moaning about
how unfair it was. To me it seemed quite simple, it was never intended
for that (I think that's entirely reasonable) so you really can't
complain.
Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of
the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 09:05:54 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JAB >>wrote:
On 14/06/2025 00:46, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
As loathe as I am to compliment Valve... the Family Sharing/is/
pretty good. I use it not only to share my account with other family
members (two of whom are quite some distance away from me, yet Valve
hasn't raised an eyebrow), but also to share my games with my other
computers (so I can play two games simultaneously in the same
household... which sometimes happens when I'm benchmarking, or when
I've friends over).
I remember when Netflix said they were going to start cracking down on >>>account sharing outside of a household and the amount of moaning about >>>how unfair it was. To me it seemed quite simple, it was never intended >>>for that (I think that's entirely reasonable) so you really can't >>>complain.
^This
The entitled desire of some to justify their "free lunch" is staggering. >>Same goes for piracy and illegal mass distribution of copyrighted works.
Other services *do* offer a sharing option. It's often a little bit more >>money. That's how it works. That Valve does it for free is a blessing.
Goes both ways though.
When Netflix started, they did not segregate by country, then suddenly >Canadian subscribers could no longer access the main servers, but
instead a Canadian Netflix containing about 2/3rds of the content, for
the same subscription.
The entitled desire of some to justify their "free lunch" is staggering.Goes both ways though.
Same goes for piracy and illegal mass distribution of copyrighted works.
Other services*do* offer a sharing option. It's often a little bit more
money. That's how it works. That Valve does it for free is a blessing.
When Netflix started, they did not segregate by country, then suddenly Canadian subscribers could no longer access the main servers, but
instead a Canadian Netflix containing about 2/3rds of the content, for
the same subscription.
Virgin also ended up backing down as I presume they realised that peeing >customers, current or future, off is not a good thing to do
Oh look! Chopped moved to "Discovery+!" And now *they* want a
subscription.
Guess who gets the middle finger here?
It'll be a while before the dust settles, and if it settles over consumer rights, we're back to rampant piracy, torrents over VPN, and stuff like ThePirateBay.
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The
Augury is good, the signs say:
Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote at 21:39 this Monday (GMT):<snip>
On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 17:50:02 -0000 (UTC), in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, >>> candycanearter07 wrote:
Game sharing is reasonably good on Steam too. Those were my two big asks. >>Oh yea, I never used Steam Family, but from what I heard it works pretty >>well.
Now why did this make me think "Sly and the Family Steam"?
Xocyll
On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 19:46:27 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 21:00:11 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 >><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote at 21:39 this Monday (GMT):
Game sharing is reasonably good on Steam too. Those were my two big asks. >>Oh yea, I never used Steam Family, but from what I heard it works pretty >>>well.
As loathe as I am to compliment Valve... the Family Sharing /is/
pretty good. I use it not only to share my account with other family >>members (two of whom are quite some distance away from me, yet Valve
hasn't raised an eyebrow), but also to share my games with my other >>computers (so I can play two games simultaneously in the same
household... which sometimes happens when I'm benchmarking, or when
I've friends over).
My only suggestions for improvement would be:
a) I don't like that families have to set up accounts for their
kids. I dislike the idea of being potentially tracked from a
young age. I wish a single account could be shared (perhaps
with lock-down features) across multiple machines.
b) I wish it was more obvious when somebody else was using one
of the games in my library. Right now the only way to tell
seems to be if I try to play it and I get the error message
telling me the game is already in use.
Oh, also,
c) The Library is shared in its entirity, rather than on a
game-by-game basis. Now, in some cases this is fine, but if
you have a kid it may not be. Yes, you /can/ then go in and
exclude certain games, but if you have a library of a beyond
a certain size it can be troublesome to go through and
exclude dozens of games just so little Timmy can access your
more kid-friendly titles.
An option to 'share all' /and/ 'share by title' would be
welcome.
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 09:32:06 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JAB wrote:
Virgin also ended up backing down as I presume they realised that peeing
customers, current or future, off is not a good thing to do
Damn your split infinitive!
Oh look! Chopped moved to "Discovery+!" And now *they* want a
subscription.
Guess who gets the middle finger here?
It'll be a while before the dust settles, and if it settles over consumer >rights, we're back to rampant piracy, torrents over VPN, and stuff like >ThePirateBay.
On 16/06/2025 20:02, Xocyll wrote:
The entitled desire of some to justify their "free lunch" is staggering. >>> Same goes for piracy and illegal mass distribution of copyrighted works. >>>Goes both ways though.
Other services*do* offer a sharing option. It's often a little bit more
money. That's how it works. That Valve does it for free is a blessing.
When Netflix started, they did not segregate by country, then suddenly
Canadian subscribers could no longer access the main servers, but
instead a Canadian Netflix containing about 2/3rds of the content, for
the same subscription.
I kinda agree as you signed up for one thing but ended up with another.
Where I kinda of disagree is that with Netflix you can just cancel when
ever you want.
Where I think it becomes really problematic is for long term
subscriptions. Where's the line as to when you're not getting the
service you paid for. I think is was Virgin (cable TV) in the UK that
caused a bit of a stink when the announced that a few channels were
going to be removed. There were quite a few people that, rightly in my >opinion, pointed out they wouldn't have subscribed in the first place
without them.
Virgin also ended up backing down as I presume they realised that peeing >customers, current or future, off is not a good thing to do and that's >especially true now social media is all the rage. The also quickly
backed down after they introduced traffic shaping in peak hours have >advertised it as unlimited downloads. What's the point of paying for a
fast connection if you download a game and that connection is crippled
before the download is even finished.
Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of
the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
Oh look! Chopped moved to "Discovery+!" And now *they* want a
subscription.
Guess who gets the middle finger here?
It'll be a while before the dust settles, and if it settles over consumer >>rights, we're back to rampant piracy, torrents over VPN, and stuff like >>ThePirateBay.
...and the companies blaming everyone but themselves for something that
is 100% their fault.
When the pirates provide a better product/service, well that's just the
Free Market speaking.
Xocyll
But if you don't piss them off in the first place, a lot of those
customers will stick with you even if it means they have to pay money.
The good news (and I tested) is that a VPN stops the shaping since they >cannot tell what you are doing.
On 17/06/2025 19:05, Zaghadka wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 09:32:06 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JABIn my experience Brits have a rather casual attitude towards the 'rules'
wrote:
Virgin also ended up backing down as I presume they realised that peeing >>> customers, current or future, off is not a good thing to do
Damn your split infinitive!
of their own language. An example is when my father in-law was trying to >learn English and a question came back to me of when to say 'the' vs.
'thee'. My actually answer was whatever sounds right although I did look
it up afterwards. Fewer vs. less I do know the technical difference but
I go with the same rule of what sounds right, is right.
As for split infinitives, I once saw a comment in a code review that
someone had used one in a comment. I mean seriously, what's that all about?
Virgin also ended up backing down as I presume they realised that peeing
customers, current or future, off is not a good thing to do and that's
especially true now social media is all the rage. The also quickly
backed down after they introduced traffic shaping in peak hours have
advertised it as unlimited downloads. What's the point of paying for a
fast connection if you download a game and that connection is crippled
before the download is even finished.
Over here in socialist Canuckistan, they excuse that kind of thing by
saying that "unlimited" means a "reasonable amount."
On 18/06/2025 12:17, Xocyll wrote:
Virgin also ended up backing down as I presume they realised that peeing >>> customers, current or future, off is not a good thing to do and that's
especially true now social media is all the rage. The also quickly
backed down after they introduced traffic shaping in peak hours have
advertised it as unlimited downloads. What's the point of paying for a
fast connection if you download a game and that connection is crippled
before the download is even finished.
Over here in socialist Canuckistan, they excuse that kind of thing by
saying that "unlimited" means a "reasonable amount."
Where I believe they slipped up was if you saw "Unlimited Downloads" in
the advertising blurb you might expect there are some limits on it but
these were so restrictive that a "reasonable amount" wasn't even in the
same city. It was also that the throttling wasn't just minor it would
turn a connection into to being useless expect for a bit of light browsing.
In the UK now ISP's still employ some traffic shaping but that's based
around trying to prioritise 'time sensitive' traffic. I don't think any
of them throttle the speed if you use it too much.
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